It seems like a renovated house.warrior wrote:Dada Lekhraj was born in a place called SHAHI BAZAR in Sindh Hyderabad. The house is sited in the heart of Shari Bazar and is called Yasoda Niwas.
Thanks for the info.
It seems like a renovated house.warrior wrote:Dada Lekhraj was born in a place called SHAHI BAZAR in Sindh Hyderabad. The house is sited in the heart of Shari Bazar and is called Yasoda Niwas.
Dear brother,arjun wrote: It seems like a renovated house.
Thanks for the info.
i think creation(stapna)/age of *brahma/Sangamyug is for 100 yrs.(here age of brahma is not age of Dada Lekhraj but the age of his role as brahma)fluffy bunny wrote: Will you wait until 2036 and then, if Destruction and Sat Yuga does not happen, will you give up?
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How long does Creation take ... a few people will hold on until 2047 and then it will collapse for the majority...
1.here shiv baba says that he immediately starts giving knowledge.arjun wrote:
• "Shivraatri kahtey hain parantu Shiv ke badley Krishna ka naam kah diya hai ki Krishna ka janma raat ko hua. Hai ShivBaba kee baat. ShivBaba kee tithi taareekh vela ka kuchch bhi pataa nahee ki kis samay aaya. Krishna kee vela hai. Vah punarjanma may aaney vala hai. ShivBaba toh jhat aakar parichay deney lag padtey hain. Kuchch samay toh pataa hee nahee padaa ki yah kaun aaya hai? Kaun bol rahey hain? Baad may maaloom padaa ki yah toh ShivBaba gyaan ka saagar hai." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 23.11.07, pg 3)
• “People say ‘Shivraatri’ but instead of Shiv they have mentioned the name of Krishna that Krishna was born in the night. (Actually) it is about ShivBaba. We do not know anything about the date and time of ShivBaba as to when He came. There is time (mentioned) for Krishna. He takes rebirth. ShivBaba comes and starts giving introduction at once. For some time it was not known as to who is it that has come. Who is speaking? It was known later that it is ShivBaba, the Ocean of Knowledge.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 23.11.07, pg 3 published by BKs)
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• “Tum bachhey yah thodey hee kah sakengey – Baba nay kab inmay pravesh kiya. Jab sakshaatkaar hua tab aaya va kab? Saakshaatkaar toh Bhakti marg may bhi aisey hee hotey hain. Pataa nahee padta ki Baba kis samay aaya. Krishna kay aaney kee ghadee dikhaatey hain. ShivBaba kee ghadi aadi kuch hoti nahee. Baba toh maalik hai. Kab aatey hain, pataa nahee padta hai. Yahaan Murli say samajh jaatey hain.” (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli dinaank 27.03.07, pg.2)
• “You children would not be able to say – when Baba entered into him. Did He come when he had divine vision or when? Similar divine visions occur in the path of worship also. It cannot be known at what time Baba came. The time of the arrival of Krishna is depicted. There is no time, etc. for the arrival of ShivBaba. Baba is a Master. It cannot be known - when He comes. Here, it is guessed through Murli.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 27.03.07, pg.2 published by BKs)
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• "Swayam Bhagwaan kahtey hain jab Bhakti poori ho tab mai aaun. Aadhakalpa Bhaktimarg chaltaa hai, din aur raat. Shuru may bhi pehley-pehley jab praveshataa hui (Maa ke roop may praveshata hoti thi) toh deevaaron par aisey-aisey chakra nikaaltey rahtey thay, jaisey chotey bachhey hotey hain. Samajh may kuch nahee aata tha. Ham tum sab babies thay, fir dheerey-dheerey buddhi may aata gayaa. Abhi tum padhkar hoshiyaar huay ho toh bilkul sahaj reeti samajha saktey ho. Aisey nahee samajhnaa yah bahut puraaney bachhey hain, isliye hamsey hoshiyaar hain. Ham toh itnaa padh nahee sakengey. Baba kahtey hain – pichaadi may aaney vaaley bahut aagey ja saktey hain. Deri say aaney vaaley aur hee din-raat Yoga may mast ho lag padengey." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 23.05.07, pg 3)
• “God Himself says – I come when Bhakti completes. For half a Kalpa/cycle the path of devotion (i.e. Bhaktimarg) goes on, day and night. Even in the beginning, initially when there was entry (In the beginning entry used to take place in the form of mother), then he used to draw the pictures of World Cycle like this, just as there are small children. (He) Did not understand anything. You and I were all babies; then gradually it went on entering the intellect. Now you have studied and become intelligent. So, you can explain very easily. Do not think that - "These are very old children, that is why they are more intelligent than us. We will not be able to study to that extent." Baba says – Those who come late can gallop ahead (of others). Those who come late would become even more intoxicated in Yoga day and night.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 23.05.07, pg 3 published by BKs)
so can 1947 be taken as x i.e. beginning of SangamyugRoy wrote:
“The Murlis have started since (the days of) Karachi(1947). Earlier Baba did not narrate Murlis(directly to the children). He(Dada Lekhraj) used to get up at 2 o’clock in the night and write 10-15 pages. The Father(Shiv) used to dictate(to him, DL - via a third party). Then they used to issue the copies(to the children of the Yagya).” [Mu 26.05.78][/color]
Roy
or is it 1936(based on shiv jayanti celebrations)sukshmbindu wrote:
if we go by shivjayanti celebrations it is 1936, but few also say that since dadalekhraj said "nijananda roopam shivoham.." in 1932 after which he decided to retire can we take actual commencencement of Sangamyug as 1932..
kindly reply..
After the Sangamyug, there would be only the ancient deity religion in the world. As regards the luxuries that you are talking about, we PBKs are taught in the advance knowledge that there will not be any palaces, planes, inert jewelery, crowns or cornation, etc. but all the joys and comforts would be provided by mother nature.sukshmbindu wrote:After Sangamyug there will be no religion(any existing religion), even brahmakumari philosophy narrated by ShivBaba will not be there. However knowledge of soul n knowledge of science will be there. lot of transformation takes place in earth's crust and many mines of gold n diamonds are formed in the process. Great wealth is formed(may be based on individual deposits of Gyan ratn n gun moti in Subtle Region based on good deeds n good thoughts in sangam yug) and is found by individuals. Wonderful planes, one storeyed houses(due to very sparesly populated country) are constructed. Due to advanced scientific technology the energy is pollution free.
Sangamyug is said to begin in 1936-37 only when Father Shiv incarnated in Prajapita Brahma (and not when Dada Lekhraj Brahma had visions). But Purushottam Sangamyug is said to begin in 1976-77 which was declared by Avyakt BapDada as the year of revelation of the Father. 2018 could be the year of beginning of the swarnim Sangamyug (golden Confluence Age) and 2036 is the date for final destruction and the commencement of the actual Golden Age.so can 1947 be taken as x i.e. beginning of Sangamyug
What does revelation mean?arjun wrote:Sangamyug is said to begin in 1936-37 only when Father Shiv incarnated in Prajapita Brahma (and not when Dada Lekhraj Brahma had visions). But Purushottam Sangamyug is said to begin in 1976-77 which was declared by Avyakt BapDada as the year of revelation of the Father. 2018 could be the year of beginning of the swarnim Sangamyug (golden Confluence Age) and 2036 is the date for final destruction and the commencement of the actual Golden Age.
We (PBKs) have recognized the Father. If you wish you can wait for the Divine Father Prajapita Brahma to be revealed in the end.sachkhand wrote:But it is also said that first videshis will reveal The GodFather. And therefore it means that The GodFather got revealed in 1976 through a videshi Divine Father [ see old chakra (wheel) picture of the early yagnya times in Karachi] and not The Divine Fahter Prajapita Brahma.
As in the broad drama Divine Fathers of various religions tried to transform this world by The Knowledge of The GodFather or by revealing The GodFather but were not successful; similarly The GodFather gets revealed by Divine Fathers of other religions and only in the end through The Divine Father Prajapita Brahma, who is the Father of all humanity, the whole world experience the true brotherhood and experience The Divine GodFather Shiv and get transformed.
It is said in A.V. (not exact words) that the nimitt soul (JagatPita) will play the part of establishing all the sects/ religions /races (?) of humanity and shall play it's part. And hence I think it is written in the earlier picture of wheel as "Divine Father" even for other religious fathers too other than Prajapita Brahma.arjun wrote: We (PBKs) have recognized the Father. If you wish you can wait for the Divine Father Prajapita Brahma to be revealed in the end.
Dear Roy,Roy wrote:Some important points, that prove that Brahma Baba(Dada Lekhraj), is not Prajapita Brahma.
“The Father(of humanity, Prajapita) is called Ram.” [Mu 6.09.70]
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"This Chariot(Prajapita-Shankar) or throne of Akalmoort(the embodied, immortal one) is especially permanent(mukarrar rath)." [8.08.78]
Roy
Dear Sanjeev BhaiSach_Khand wrote:you have at many instances written that you are just beginner and you cannot authoritatively about the Murli points or those are your personal views ets.,But seeing your above reply it seems you very much understand Murli points as they are and you know without any ambiguity that who is who in the Murlis. Like who is Dada or Brahma or Shankar or Prajapita Brahma. If you know about them so accurately why not write about other Murli points also which contradict the above assumptions of the advance knowledge about who is who. viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2305#p39274
The whole paragraph is unnecessary. I have just asked you to put your views on what I have written in another post which is based on Murli points. I have nowhere mentioned in my previous reply to you about what Shivsena does or does not do.Roy wrote:Dear Sanjeev Bhai
... Shivsena Bhai's beliefs, were without foundation, based on what is contained within the Sakar Murlis. For one thing; Shivsena Bhai has thrown out 90% plus of what is said therein, and simply concentrated on a few points, that he feels give credence to his beliefs.
I do not know about you but I can say for myself. I have good history. You can have your opinions. And the way you want to get personal instead of trying to give your views itself contradicts your expectation from others. I have seen such tactics being adopted by some members to discredit someone raising questions. I am bad and do not have good history. O.K. if that is accepted, still the questions I have raised in the link given in my previous reply remain. What kind of person raises doubts or questions regarding PBK explanation does not change the knowledge of PBKs. Does it? Or is the policy that only deity souls will be given explanation by PBKs and no explanations to normal Kaliyugi people?Roy wrote: You and i do not have a great history on here though Bhai;
It is not possible by the way you have replied above. Just writing has no value. You actually need to be practical.Roy wrote: and although i hold no grudge against you, and wish we could get on better;
The long sermon was unnecessary. Or the long explanation in your defense for not giving your views to my questions was unnecessary. You would have simply ignored my reply or stated that you are not interested in exchanging views with me. That was enough. But then you should also take care not to quote Murli points in response to my replies. Murli points can be (mis)used selectively. And the main thing I have raised about your previous reply is how can you dictate or write your explanation to Murli points in brackets as if you are authority or as if you know absolutely about the real meaning of those Murli points. You could have atleast written that it is what you think or it is what PBKs explain. Or it is what you feel to be correct.Roy wrote: i did say that i would no longer engage with you directly, as i felt our exchanges were becoming progessively negative, and unproductive.
As written above, showing intellectual capacity is futile. I do purusharth on the basisof my experiences. I xpect the same from others. IMO being too much intellectual is dangerous.Roy wrote:My point is, that imo, you appear to be a soul who is very often governed by his emotions, rather than his intellect. That is not to say you aren't an intelligent person, as you clearly are.
False allegation. Possibly you are trying to set the trap for me once again. Waste.Roy wrote:But imo, you appear to regularly fall into the trap, of becoming overly emotional and personal.
Bye.Roy wrote: With regard to the post you have highlighted; i did actually start to answer the questions you presented; but then remembered what i had said about interacting with you on here, and so stopped what i was doing.
That is not the way to proceed. The first step itself is wrong. There should not be itching, but love to have greater understanding. "It is not itching Dill pe Sahab raji but it is Sachhey Dil pe Sahab raji."Roy wrote: You have openly invited or challenged me to address your post; and to be honest, I am itching to have a crack at it, as they are interesting questions. But in light of what i've said here and our past history, i am reticent about re-engaging with you.
Bye.Roy wrote: Okay sanjeev Bhai, your response has only confirmed for me, that i should have continued to ignore you, rather than remind you, why i am ignoring you.
Thank you.Roy wrote: You are also correct in pointing out; that it is accurate, to make it clear; that the parts in the Murli points that are in brackets; are my interpretations, based on the teachings of Advanced Knowledge. I have now rectified this situation.
Roy
Does anyone have this Murli point with some more sentences before and after these quoted sentences. If anyone have then please write it. PBKs in centres may surely have this Murli with them. It is good to clarify this point by giving some more sentences before and after this point. There is chance of misinterpretation with just the above quoted sentences. So whoever wants to know the actual truth and do no want to hide the truth should not hesitate to give more of this point."Prajapita Brahma(Ram) will be here(in corporeal form) only. His(Brahma Baba's) last birth is Lekhraj. He cannot become Prajapita(as he becomes the first class creation(child Krishna) of ShivBaba, via Prajapita, in the beginning of the Confluence Age)." [Mu 21.08.73]
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