Dear brother shivsena,
my contention is that, does Supreme Soul ShivBap who is 100% soul-conscious and who has never experienced body consciousness for more than 4900 years and even though he comes in Sangamyug in a body to give Gyan, can He have humour in his speech??
Does the Supreme Soul experiences body-conciousness for 100 years? Although he may come in a body he does not experience body-conciousness.
In the Murli it is said, the Father entertains you children so much. It is in the meaning that there is entertainment. He gives such knowledge that the soul feels happy and light. Have you seen the faces of those who listen to Murli class - they smile because when they listen they feel good.
It is said that to laugh loudly is also vice or to giggle, nothing is said about humor. It is not that cheap meaningless humor, one can study nicely. You see we are humans, he comes in human form, he speaks, he should be a good lecturer, it is not that he always uses humour. Sometimes it becomes very serious, however he can hold the attention. He can be entertaining, he can be serious. He is completely ordinary his speaking and manners, his acts. He is so ordinary so that anyone can access him.
Why should he speak the way you think he should. He speaks in his own way. On the path of Bhakti people understand him in a form of a fish or tortoise, but he comes in human form for a surprise. If he uses humor, or make us cry it is for our benefit. I see nothing wrong in that.
On the path of Bhakti they say God will come, they wait for him, he used to come and will come, they say like this on the path of bakti. Gyan says he has come. If you say you are Gyani soul. Tell where he has come. One cannot know beforehand. Even on the path of Bhakti they know beforehand he'll come when there is extreme irreligiousness, but their conception is that there is still time to wait, but when he comes he does on his own secretly and later on we understand and he says, look at the irreligiousness will you still wait. Like you say ... wait a little and he’ll come.
would ShivBap resort to cheap meaningless humour in his classes, or would he have only meaningful dialogue with his 108 children
One can have a dialogue only with a corporeal personality and not with the paper Murli. So if you tell that through the Chariot of Virendra Dev Dixit one can have a dialogue only with the soul of Krishna then tell if there is any corporeal personality through which ShivBap has meaningful dialogue with the 108 souls or not, or is there not this kind of dialogue.
There is ambiguity in your conception. From one hand you say the soul of Krishna plays games to mislead us, then you also research Avyakt Vanis, which you accept are his versions.
the role of ShivBap (as bap-teacher-Satguru), whose only part is to take us away from body-consciousness and liberate us from vices
Before you used to say that it is the soul of Ram that plays these parts now you say that it is the soul of ShivBap that plays the role of Father Teacher Satgudru, but guru is a media. Satguru means the real media, compared to all the rest false medias. Media from what to what? It means the one who makes our salvation. But ShivBap is always in salvation, why does he not make us too? If it were him, on his coming itself, we would receive. But we need one soul to cross because "guru" means a leader too. Where would ShivBap lead us to when he is himself the aim ... when his stage is the aim... when he is always in the karmateet stage ... always in peace and silence? We need someone who departs from a stage of body-conciousness like us and reaches the soul-concious stage.
How will ShivBap make us overcome the vices if he has never fought a war with them? How will he teach us fighting this war? We need a corporeal personality. In him we see the entry of Supreme Soul. When the Supreme Soul comes or goes cannot be seen, proved, or known, but we have recognised the Chariot that it is this one and no one else. So we think that the Supreme Soul is always inside as it is said in the Murli and it is always ShivBaba speaking. (To remove ambiguity, please, see the meaning of BapDada).
Murli spoken through Brahma Baba revised on 8.1.04
"Here you have the Father because He can come here in a second. You should understand that Baba is always sitting in this one."
giving the knowledge to ignorant souls;
Ignorance is not a passive state of not knowing. One can be ignorant in spite of receiving knowledge. Those who don't know the Godly knowledge still have some other knowledge they know. So ignorance can also be spread. To spread knowledge opposite to the Godly knowledge is ignorance.
The soul of Krishna can also relate meaningful Avyakt Vanis, there is no harm in following it and there is no ambiguity. You speak for the true/false Gita. The Gita itself is truthful, just the name of the one who speaks it is false. You do the same. You put the name of Krishna to the true Gita and make it false.
If it were the soul of Krishna who gives the Advance Knowledge he would know of himself that he is not the God of the Gita. The Avyakt Vani will be full of knowledge too.
