Jannisder, one important question please;
- • do you practise eye to eye meditation together ... does he give you "dhristi"?
Abrahma Kumar wrote:I wonder if GOD's BKWSU has in it's service plans the creation of a place/atmosphere within it's structure in which practical stiuations such as this can be discussed without recourse to dogma or stigmatisation.
Or, to put it another way, wonder if the BKWSU's God has in its service plans ... or do even higher spiritual beings have in
their service plans the creation of a place/atmosphere in which practical situations such as this can be discussed without recourse to dogma or stigmatisation? The BKWSU, in its small mind, seems to consider this site as the work of the devil!
bansy wrote:If not, then try not to see him for 3 months or longer. Stay with some friends or family, talk to someone else if you can, just avoid him. If he persists, then he is insecure and needs you and hence is a fake BK.
I am sorry not to have the time to reply to you question at present but I think that you have received a good spectrum of responses from ex-BKs and pukka BKs. Interestingly enough, Bansy has just given you exactly the same sort of advice, or even insistance, that the BK sisters would. And to add to Proy's experience, I have seen Dadi Janki take a poster of Brahma Baba and "stab" it into the ground like a sword between a couple that came into Gyan together. It was done as a "joke" and the audience of BKs all laughed but the message was clear.
Hello J and welcome very heartily to the forum. It is a very brave thing to do to step forward and openly discuss matters not just of your heart but such a deep, tense and complicated nature of those relating to the BKWSU where we are subject not just by our own and immediate feelings but group, collective and other unseen and ill understood psychic influences.
Bansy is absolutely correct on a number of accounts. Firstly, sadly, you are not alone and it is quite a common dynamic. Not just between newcomers to BK Raja Yoga but even some of the oldest followers, at least in the West. You are not the first to come here to discuss this matter and will not be the last. Yes, if you are not already married and living with him, then that too is taboo for BKs.
Bansy is also absolutely correct to say that your friend has been programmed to say things such as "special soul". He is aping what he has heard said by the spirit they consider to be the Supreme Soul and the Seniors Sisters [SS] the BKs follower. The SS use it to encourage their followers along. What he is saying is that he considers you to be a BK in the making and his programmed desire will be to turn you into a proper BK. I would soften what bansy has said as far as his being a " fake BK" a little. He probably does also love you in a human way but cannot admit it and is fooling himself under the excuse of "doing service".
Its sounds like he likes you and enjoys your company, which is what you want. He may well be in a confused place about his affiliation with the BKWSU. Depending on what the BKWSU is, you might be doing him a favour pulling him out or offering him a safety net. Your relationship might actually be the incentive he needs to jump. I am sure that he also has natural human love and affection but it equally caught between the BKWSU and you. BK fool themselves a lot. BK experience could well be one big hypnotic self-delusion.
EVERYTHING is the power of the BKWSU and BK programming is against you and the development of a natural relationship. As someone that has been a BK, in a similar situation and witnessed others, I will say that in essence the BK is using your love and affection to draw you into the BKWSU, something that is actually wrong by their principles. If this is true, then in my opinion, fated for a disaster. On the other hand, a very slim chance, he may be preparing an exit strategy. He would not be the first BK to meet someone via "service" and then chose to go off with them later. However, life with a BK in that state is not easy, it may takes years and years for him to cut the ties and remove the programming. Others state that would not be a good experience to want.
There can not be any relationship within the context of the BK realm, (there are of course, the BKWSU is as full of hypocrisies as anywhere). Unless he leaves or you join and give him up, the future will only bring further and further mental and emotional separation. Experience suggests that if you do join, quite soon some very specific "encouragement" will start to be invoked by the Seniors or center-in-charges to separate you both for your own spiritual good. Day in, day out, their God teaches that what you are doing is impure, destructive and this jealous God of theirs wants you to be in love with it only. For your own good ...
Personally, I do not have faith in the BKWSU or its God. I know that the BKWSU God is not what most human conceive God to be. I question whether it is and encourage others to do so as well. I also remind others to question whether the instructions of the BKWSU are ven the instructions of its God and suggest to others to find their own way and their own relationship with God. Ultimately, I have not I have no specific position. I only hope to be able to report to you objectively what the BKWSU experience is.
- One brave BK sister once questioned how BK sisters use their sexuality for serivce. It may be that brothers do to. There is danger in the way that any "talents" and graces are used in service.
For me this issue also raises other issues we might document and discuss that have raised before. When the BKWSU and its lore was conceived, they came mostly from rich families and were all living off Lekhraj Kirpalani's money, expecting the End of the World any moment. They did not care about the world. Since coming out into the world, they have still been teaching and expecting the End of the World ... whilst splitting up couples and families taking other people's money off them to live on. They never really conceived a time when their membership would age and plan on how to look after them. What happens when folks get old? Who looks after them? Local governments or do they get passed back to their lokik families? Why should not two mature individuals decide for themselves how they want to live?
