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shivsena wrote:I do not understand that when there was no part of -Virendra Dev Dixit(supposed Shankar) in Farukhabad before 1969, there was mention of Farukhabad in Sakar Murlis.....but when -Virendra Dev Dixit's part started after 1969, there is no mention of Farukhabad in any of the av-Vanis in last 45 years by avaykt BapDada ....why ??
The truth was laid out in advance by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba Krishna, that the true master would reside in Farrukhabad, Uttar Pradesh...

“I (Shiv) am a master Myself. People believe in the master (Prajapita Brahma) in Farrukhabad, don’t they? You (true Brahmin children) have understood the meaning of ‘master’ too. He is the master (in corporeal form). We are his children. So (we) must certainly receive the inheritance (through him, the master - i.e. Prajapita).” [Mu 20.11.88]

“Just as the residents of Farrukhabad say we remember that master(i.e. Prajapita Brahma aka Ram), but in reality (Confluence Age) Lakshmi-Narayan(aka Vishnu) become the master of creation(i.e. Heaven in the Confluence Age). However, (Incorporeal)ShivBaba(the point form) does not become the master. Then ask them whether that master is corporeal or incorporeal? In the corporeal world, incorporeal (Shiv) cannot become the master.” [Mu 14.01.73]


Then in the avayakt Murlis this truth was referred to in a more subtle hint form...

"Brahma's part is there until the end of the task of the establishment (which had not been completed by 1968/9, when Brahma Baba Krishna left the body). Until the work of establishment is over, the part of the soul who is instruamental will not be over. It cannot play another role till then. The role of completing the creation of the New World by the World Father(i.e. Vishwapita aka Prajapita Brahma) is fixed. Brahma is known for the creation of the different dynasties of the human world. Great-Great-Grand Father(i.e. Prajapita Brahma) is praised for that. Only the state(Uttar Pradesh or UP), place(Kampil, Farrukhabad) and speed have changed. Nevertheless, the role of (creating the New World of Heaven-Ramraj through) Brahma(i.e. Prajapita aka Ram) remains the same even now." [Av 30.06.74]

“Kingdom and dance are shown on the banks of river Yamuna, but in UP, the purifying rivers are famous, i.e. UP has been shown as a place of service. So such a person(Prajapita Brahma aka Ram) will certainly emerge from UP, who will become instrumental in the service of many. Such a person will get ready. For example, service of many souls is taking place through one in America. Similarly someone will emerge from UP also so that service of many souls will take place through one. The name will spread, isn’t it?... Even the souls from foreign countries, while hailing the victory, will reach India only isn’t it? Even they will say – our India. Father has come in India (in the body of Prajapita Brahma aka Ram). They will not say that Father has come in the UN.” [Av 01.11.81]


Souls that only need a hint about the truth will make the connection... others won't!

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shivsena wrote:
Another original Murli point which clearly says that Shiv does not enter Shankar and both cannot be combined.

Mu:9-7-68: "Vishnu aur Shankar ko rath nahin banna padta." ["Vishnu and Shankar cannot be Chariot of Shiva"]

When -Virendra Dev Dixit read this point he knew that he cannot be Shankar or Vishnu, but he had high aspirations of becoming God himself and he knew that he could not be Ram, so he decided to play the next most important role of Shaitan who would rule the world for 2500 years.....and since 1974 he started playing the role of Shaitan-Ravan-devil and misleading the BKs away from truth to make his own group of followers-PBKs Ravan-sampradaya.

As usual, -Virendra Dev Dixit hides this point from PBKs and has not printed it in Aivv literature....and most PBKs are not aware of this Murli-point.
This question was raised in a discussion number 1344. Baba Dixit has no reasons to hide anything from anyone who are in the quest for truth. Only those who run after devis have such a mentality to blabber without thinking.
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pbkindiana wrote:
This question was raised in a discussion number 1344. Baba Dixit has no reasons to hide anything from anyone who are in the quest for truth. Only those who run after devis have such a mentality to blabber without thinking.
Indiana,
what does Virendra Dev Dixit says in the discussion 1344 regarding Shankar not being Chariot?
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warrior wrote:

Indiana,
what does Veerendra Dev Dixit says in the discussion 1344 regarding Shankar not being Chariot?
Dear warrior Bhai,

You can read the discussion cd 1344 in the website.
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To all PBKs.

Avaykt Vani 20-2-88 says: " Maya likes Brahmins souls very much.".....If Maya is only 5 vices (as per BKs-PBKs), then how does Maya differentiate between brahmins and non-brahmin souls...and if Maya is some personified form, then who is this personified Maya ??

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To all PBKs......Murli 8-3-15 (revised av-Vani of 12-11-79) says:" अव्यक्त वतन-वासी ब्रह्मा बाप भाग्य-विधाता के रूप में इस अमृतवेले भाग्य अर्थात् अमृत बाँटते हैं ।" [ "Fortune-maker Subtle Region dweller Father Brahma distributes fortune at Amrit Vela"]

The above Vani-point clearly proves that subtle Brahma-Lekhraj Kirpalani is Fortune-maker and not Subtle-region dweller Shankar.....this point should be read by PBKs repeatedly, who believe that remembering shiv through Shankar-prajapita-Virendra Dev Dixit is making their fortune.

Those PBKs who are in any doubt about -Virendra Dev Dixit should wake up and re-consider their alliance with -Virendra Dev Dixit ...those who are faithful followers of -Virendra Dev Dixit will again twist this simple Vani point and convince themselves that they are on the right track.

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The term used above is Brahma Baap and not just Brahma. Brahma refers to the senior mother (bari Maa), i.e. Lekhraj Kirpalani. and Baap refers to the Father or Prajapita. And actually, it is Father Shiv who distributes fortune through Brahma and Prajapita and not the individual souls of Brahma or Prajapita. Had they been the givers of fortune they could have given in 63 births.
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To all BKs-PBKs.
Murli 22-3-15 (av-Vani 14-11-79) says: " यह मरजीवा जन्म है है ही प्रत्यक्षफल खाने के लिए, किया और प्राप्ति हुई। अब मेहनत की जरूरत नहीं, फल खाने का समय है। अतीन्द्रिय सुख की जीवन में रहने का समय है। तो अतीन्द्रिय सुख के झूले में सदा झूलने वाले हो ना? " ['' This marjeeva janam has to be experienced in this birth...now is the time to eat the fruit and not putting effort....this is time to remain in super-sensous joy...are you expereincing super-sensous joy?? ]

What is marjeeva janam and what is ati-indriya sukh ??
Kya kissi bk-pbk ne aaj tak ati-indriya sukh chakha hai ?? [ Has any bk-pbk experienced supersensous joy so far ?? ]

Bhakti shastra mei likha hai ki jisne ek baar ati-indriya-sukh chakh liya woh goonga-behara-andha ho jaata hai.....usse phir yeh physical duniya acchi nahi lagti....usse khana-peena bhi accha nahi lagta....woh iss purani dunia aur purane sharir se ekdam upram ho jaata hai.....kya koi bk-pbk ka aisa marjeeva janam shuru hua hai ??

[ Bhakti-scriptures mention that a person who has experienced super-sensous joy will rise above the physical senses and become dumb-deaf-blind.....he will not like this physical world and he will not like eating-speaking ....has any bk-pbk experienced such a joy.]

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Virendra Dev Dixit and PBKs claims that in the Body of Virendra Dev Dixit there are three souls are available according to situation the soul will talk it is the opinion of PBKs and Virendra Dev Dixit has mis guided them a lot.
Three souls said by PBKs are:
BAP= Shiva/Nirakar.
DDL= Dada Lekaraj
Virendra Dev Dixit= original soul of Virendra Dev Dixit.
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Murli 25-2-15 says: " शिवबाबा को ही रूद्र कहा जाता है । रूद्र ज्ञान यज्ञ से विनाश ज्वाला निकली तो रूद्र भगवान हुआ ना । कृष्ण को तो रूद्र नहीं कहेंगे । "
["ShivBaba is known as rudra. The flame of destruction arose from the rudra-Gyan Yagya, so Rudra becomes Bhagwan. Krishna cannot be called Rudra."]

I wish to know what is this Vinash jwala (Flame of destruction) and when did it emerge from the Yagya.
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The flame of destruction emerged in the beginning of the Yagya when Prajapita as well as Brahma (Dada Lekhraj) was present in the Yagya. Brahma, with a motherly nature encouraged the entry of some children with demoniac qualities, whom Prajapita did not want to encourage. This led to differences of opinion between both of them, which culminated in exit of Prajapita from the Yagya and after some years the responsibility of running the Yagya with the help of such demoniac children was left on the shoulders of Brahma Baba. But the entry and sustenance of such demoniac children ignited the flame of destruction of values within the Yagya which became stronger with the demise first of Mama and then of Baba. After that it was free for all within the Yagya.
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IN VTP 1131 and 1132 the Virendra Dev Dixit has fired the new comers's questions and wrongly interpenetrated that, the incharges of BKs centres trains BKs to ask questions in wrong way.. actually the questions asked by new PBKs based on their intellect , no centre incharged of BKs are gudided them/// is the wrong opinion of Virendra Dev Dixit// because the questions asked are very and highly logical// and one of PBK student supported Virendra Dev Dixit duly raising his voice/./ we do't know how student was encouraged to talk during VTP discussions.//
who are real PBKs of this forum pl see the 1131 and 1132 and realize the truth of Virendra Dev Dixit and PBKs knowledges//
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Todays Murli 28-4-15 says: " राम गयो रावण गयो... इसका भी अर्थ कितना सहज है। जरूर संगमयुग होगा जबकि राम का और रावण का परिवार है।"
Which is Ram ka parivar and which is Ravan ka parivar in Sangamyug ??
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A very important point in yesterday's Murli (3-5-15) revised av-Vani 28-11-79:

'' सूक्ष्म वतन आकारी वतन मिलने का स्थान है। समय भी फिक्स है, अपायन्टमेन्ट भी है, स्थान भी फिक्स है, फिर क्यों नहीं मिलन होता? सिर्फ गलती क्या करते हो कि मिट्टी के साथ वहाँ आना चाहते हो। यह देह मिट्टी है। जब मिट्टी का काम करना है तब करो। लेकिन मिलने के समय इस देह के भान को छोड़ना पड़े। जो बाप की ड्रेस वह आपकी ड्रेस होनी चाहिए। समान होना चाहिए ना! जैसे बाप निराकार से आकारी वस्त्र धारण करते हैं। आकारी और निराकारी बाप-दादा बन जाते हैं - आप भी आकारी फरिश्ता ड्रेस पहन कर आओ। चमकीली ड्रेस पहन कर आओ तब मिलन होगा। ड्रेस पहनना नहीं आता है क्या? ड्रेस पहनो और पहुँच जाओ, यह ऐसी ड्रेस है जो माया के वाटर या फायर प्रूफ है।''

[ ' The Father can make you fly and take you with Him to the Subtle Region within a second. The Father comes from the incorporeal world into the Subtle Region, and so you too can come from the corporeal world to the Subtle Region. At least reach the venue of the meeting! The venue also has to be beautiful. The Subtle Region, the angelic region, is the meeting place. The time for you is fixed; you’ve made the appointment; the venue is fixed; so then why does the meeting not take place? The only mistake you make is that you want to go there with the clay. This body is clay. When you have to work with your clay, then do so! However, at the time of the meeting, you have to renounce the consciousness of your body and put on the same dress as the Father’s. They have to be the same. From being incorporeal, the Father adopts an angelic costume – BapDada becomes the angelic and the incorporeal together. You too have to put on your angelic dress and come here. Only when you wear your shining dress will the meeting take place. Do you not know how to put on this dress? As soon as you put on this dress, you can reach here. This dress is waterproof and fireproof against any form of Maya.' ]

Which is the time-appointment-place fixed for meeting with BapDada ??
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It is the unlimited Amrit Vela in this purushottam Sangamyug (elevated Confluence Age) where we can meet BapDada in the unlimited Subtle Region whenever we are devoid of body consciousness.
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