PBKs - 'Sacchi Gita Khand 1' EXPOSED [English]

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PBKs - 'Sacchi Gita Khand 1' EXPOSED [English]

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Sorry, for starting with a lengthy post. But this is very important to begin with, please read it once, and then move on to next.

Let us try to understand the gist of the knowledge of PBKs (“Advance Knowledge”) first. Most important, and first of a kind, the base of advance knowledge is a book called - “True Gita Volume 1”. We, as PBKs, relied on this book mostly for doing service and converted a lot of aspirants (mostly targeting the BKs) into PBKs. Even today, all PBKs value it very much. We even used to memorize the points from this book and recite in the class, along with the date of the Murli, not just the point.

Apart from this, 2 of the most important things that we, as PBKs, always believed,
One - "Brahmam Vaakhyam Janardhanam". Means, Murlis narrated by Brahma are the greatest, or are God's versions. Second, "Those who do not follow the Murlis narrated from the mouth of Brahma, are Kukhvanshavali (womb-born progeny); and if we consider ourselves Brahmins, then we should accept/follow the Murlis which came out of mouth of Brahma". Meaning, we, as PBKs, believe and keep saying, even today, that it's only us who are the "Mukhvanshavali" (mouth-born progeny), who strictly follow the Murlis. And the rest are all bodily born (womb-born) Brahmins, like BKs. With that, we kept scaring the world by showing the points of 'True Gita Volume 1', till date.
But, should we not verify the points of "True Gita Volume 1" with the original Murlis at least? Nobody did it. First of all, it mostly had revised points or dates earlier, like S.M.25.2.88, S.M.5.9.78, and it was almost impossible get those copies of Murlis to verify by anyone.
Secondly, Dixit ji had told us that we should not read the paper versions of Murlis, since they are 3rd class.

But the BKs were also so blind that they kept omitting (cutting) these points from the original versions, as they revised same. The same points are actually against PBKs. But BKs were afraid of same. I cannot understand what BKs studied staying in the Yagya for almost 80-84 years. How blind they are!

But in 'True Gita Vol.1' also, let's consider the topic of "Prajapita" first, which says "Prajapita Brahma and Brahma are different", meaning they are two different personalities. This is where the advance(PBKs) knowledge starts and this point or topic is very important and the BASE of it. Is Brahma and Prajapita Brahma really different?

Download the new "True Gita Volume 1" from link below, they have replaced the revised dates with that of original dates, recently, for most of the points, which helps us in comparing.
http://www.PBKs.info/Website%20written% ... Eng%5d.pdf

In the True Gita Vol. 1, go to page 25, name of the topic is " The souls of BRAHMA and PRAJAPITA BRAHMA are DIFFERENT " and the second point is " Prajapita, Brahma, both of them are well-known. Now you have found Prajapita Brahma.” (Mu.19.03.68, beginning of pg.3).

Now, check the original Murli in the link below, in the beginning of page 3 and the line numbers 2,3,4,
http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/scan/559.pdf. It’s in Hindi and translated below,

“So, when someone comes here for the first time, you should explain that the Supreme Father (Shiva) is only one. Everyone knows this (that Supreme Father, or God, is ONE). It is also written in the scriptures ‘Prajapita Brahma’. Both of them (Supreme Father Shiva & Prajapita Brahma) are well-known. It’s only now (in this Confluence Age) that you meet Prajapita Brahma. And that is why you are called as ‘Brahma Kumars and Kumaris’ (BKs). You do not get any inheritance from him (Prajapita Brahma)”.

Compare it carefully with the above point in ‘True Gita Vol.1’.

??????? I too was similarly shocked, and almost dead, when I had to face this reality for the first time.

Attaching the screen shots from ‘True Gita Vol.1’ and original Murli,
(Sorry, they are in Hindi).
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In the original Murli, there is a full stop after “Prajapita Brahma”. In that case, to whom was it said- “both of them”?
Prajapita_proof1_murli.PNG

This same post is available for Hindi readers, in the link -
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2721
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Re: PBKs - 'Sacchi Gita Khand 1' EXPOSED [English]

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Commentary on the last post:

Even an illiterate person would never make such a Murli point which we have seen in the last post, taken from "True Gita Vol 1." We cannot just call this a corruption; it's much more than that. It is a DELIBERATE and INTENTIONAL attempt to misrepresent the versions of ShivBaba, or God.

Look at the point again in "True Gita Vol 1", "Prajapita, Brahma, both of them are well-known...".
From the original Murli, they have taken the word "Prajapita Brahma" from the previous sentence, DELIBERATELY omitting everything else which precedes the same. Then omitted the full stop, and DELIBERATELY joined it to the next sentence. And omitted some more important lines thereafter. So they come up with "Prajapita, Brahma, both of them..." etc. Hence trying to prove that "Prajapita" and "Brahma" are two, and that they are two different personalities. In reality, as we understand from the original Murli, they are one and the same.

It has been said in many Murlis that "Prajapita" is a title or a designation, and it is of Brahma only, neither for Shankar nor of Vishnu. I will show you few such Murli points later. For now, "'The name Prajapita is ONLY of Brahma. Vishnu, or Shankar, would NOT be called Prajapita." (S.M.18.3.63.A.M, middle of page 1). Read 18.3.63.A.M or at least the first page. Again, such points were also clarified in a DISTORTED way in advance knowledge. They say, "That Brahma is only a title holder of Prajapita, and Dixit ji is the real Prajapita". So they have even tried to prove that there are two "Prajapitas".
Wow! is not that amazing? Like, in the laukik world, if 'Mahatma Gandhi' is given the title of 'The Father of nation", then he is only a title holder, and the real "Father of nation" is someone else, is this what they mean?

So it is said in the original Murlis, ‘if you want to learn how to cook up the stories, how to lie etc., then go and sit near Vyas'. Vyas is the main sage who wrote Hindu scriptures (which are mostly based on body-conscious perspectives).

Let's go back to the ‘True Gita’ point, it is said in the original Murli "It is also written in the scriptures, Prajapita Brahma". So it is a matter of "Daksh Prajapati", as written in the Hindu scriptures. Even in the beginning of Yagya, they used to write "Daksha Prajapati" in the old pictures. Later, the word "Prajapita" came in Murlis. It is not written in the scriptures that, "Prajapita" and "Brahma" are both famous. The next line, "Both of them are well known" - means, according to the Murli, "Parampita" (Supreme Father Shiva) and "Prajapita Brahma" (or Brahma) are both famous. Read that original Murli again from the beginning of page 3. This is what was said in the original Murli just before where this point starts in “True Gita”, and hence the most important aspects like, 'who is Prajapita' and whom that ‘both’ refers to was INTENTIONALLY hidden in the 'True Gita'. In the same way, if you read the original Murli right from the point where they ended in “True Gita”, it is said, "That is why you are called Brahma Kumar-Kumaris" (BKs). Further it says "Prajapita does not give any inheritance" (according to the advanced knowledge, "You get the inheritance only from Prajapita, and not from Brahma"), then it also talks of "Krishna". They are again hiding everything. Go back and understand what is written in the original Murli just before and after the Murli point of 'True Gita'. And thus they prove “The souls of BRAHMA and PRAJAPITA BRAHMA are DIFFERENT "- which is actually, the name given to this topic in “True Gita”. Actually, name of the topic has nothing to do with any of the points presented in it. Every point contradicts the name of the topic, if you verify with the original Murlis.

Is this what we call "Advance knowledge"? Advanced in what sense? We are just not advanced in lying, we are at the top. Can this book be called "True Gita"? And wouldn't Original Murlis be called Gyanamrit (nectar of knowledge) as taught in PBKs?
Are we PBKs really the mouth-born children (progeny) who follow the Murlis accurately? Do we really believe that "Brahmam Vyakhyam Janardhanam"? Or we just pretend to be so?

Are we actually PBKs, who don't even know "Prajapita"?

And our BKs were actually afraid of this advance knowledge; even Kumarka Dadi, brother Jagdish Chander, brother Ramesh Shah, who were big shots (maharathis) in the BKs world. What an irony! The very fact that the renowned BKs were actually afraid of this FAKE advance knowledge meant that their degree of purity was very LOW indeed!
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Re: PBKs - 'Sacchi Gita Khand 1' EXPOSED [English]

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This one is very funny. Name of the topic in "True Gita Vol.1" is "PRAJAPITA (the CORPOREAL ONE)" and page no. 39,
5th point is as below-

"They also understand that Prajapita Brahma will certainly be present in the corporeal world itself. They are confused. [...] That (corporeal one) is in karmic bondages, that (subtle one) is karmateet. [...] The Father sits and explains the meaning: Prajapita Brahma, who was a human being, himself becomes an angel later on. (S.M.30.01.68, end of the middle part of pg.1, beginning of pg.2)

Link for ‘True Gita’: http://www.PBKs.info/Website%20written% ... Eng%5d.pdf

I have found a translated version of the original Murli from BK’s website. Translation may not be accurate. And that point from "True Gita" is translated slightly differently as compared to pbk's translation. But it is enough to compare. Compare the “True Gita” with this original Murli.

Link for original Murli: http://bk.dm9.ru/?text=Salutations+to+B ... 101#line-7

Read from line number 20 to 40. is not that so amazing or misleading? This Murli point in “True Gita” which is hardly 3-4 lines is actually spread across more than 20 lines in the original Murli.
Focus on what is written in the original Murli just before and after the Murli point in "True Gita Vol.1". Most important, focus on what is written in the original Murli in between those "..." of "True Gita". Between one of those "...", there are around 20 lines in the original Murli. Don't forget the extra words added by PBKs inside the brackets in "True Gita" point to alter the original meaning.

Screen shots:
From “True Gita”-
True_gita_prajapita2.PNG

From the original Murli-
(Only the highlighted lines are taken in “True Gita”, out of 20-25 lines)
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Re: PBKs - 'Sacchi Gita Khand 1' EXPOSED [English]

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Commentary on the last post:

First of all, we should understand the purpose of this topic named "PRAJAPITA (the CORPOREAL ONE)" of "True Gita". They want to prove that Dixit ji is the real 'Prajapita', because he is corporeal one, or alive, and that 'Brahma' of BKs had left the body, or is not corporeal now. They just want to prove this and hence they somehow made some false Murli points. So PBKs believe that this Murli is talking about BKs who think 'Prajapita' is in the Subtle Region. But, when the Murli was being narrated to BKs (ON 30.01.1968) Prajapita Brahma was NOT in the Subtle Region. Then how could BKs think so? Oh! You have those unlimited meanings - (trust me) they are actually limitlessly MEANINGLESS, or DELIBERATELY DISTORTED.

Let us understand what is this Murli talking about. Who believes that 'Prajapita' is in the Subtle Region?

1. If you read the original Murli, it says- 'Prajapita is shown in the Golden Age, but then why he is also shown in the Subtle Region'? So it talks about 'Daksh Prajapati', whose story comes in the period of Satyug (Golden Age) in Hindu scriptures. So these lines are skipped in the "True Gita's point". Notice the “...” there. It is such an important point. It talks about the path of devotion and Hindu scriptures, who think that 'Prajapita' is in the Golden Age and show him in the Subtle Region. They (the devotees of Bhaktimarg) are confused. Then Baba explains, 'Prajapita' is in the corporeal world (and only in the Confluence Age). It is not that original Murli is talking about someone being alive and the other being dead (left the body), as "True Gita" is trying to prove. Then why did they skip that line? They should have given a clarification of that too, as 'Advance knowledge' is all about clarification. I know, they will say, ‘During shooting period of Satyug, BKs would believe Brahma is Prajapita’ and all. So funny!

2. Next, "True Gita" says "That (corporeal one) is in karmic bondages, that (subtle one) is karmatiit" in the same point. They added the word 'corporeal one', putting it in a bracket to prove that Dixit ji is the real 'Prajapita' who is alive. Then what's their say on the next line, 'that (subtle one) is karmateet'? Do they (PBKs) mean, BKs Brahma who has left the body and is subtle, is in Karmateet stage? But PBKs think Dixit ji is in Karmateet stage and not BKs Brahma. So, they are crossing their own words. Better, if they replace that line by "...". What it actually means in the original Murli is that the Brahma who is in Karmic bondages will later become the dweller of the Subtle Region (Avyakt) when he attains Karmateet stage. Baba even made the children experience the visions of the same in the beginning of Yagya. Each one of us will leave the body when we become Karmateet and go back to Parandham. But at the end. Nobody has become Karmateet so far. BKs Brahma is also duplicate.

3. Next, in "True Gita" in the same point, it says, " [...] The Father sits and explains the meaning". It is such a blunder! What does the Father explain in the original Murli? They just say, "[...] The Father sits and explains..". In between that [...], there are 20 lines in the original Murli where Baba actually explains so many things. It is explained, Prajapita is the corporeal one and he is not in the subtle regon. It is also explained on Vishnu and Shankar and Shankar has no part (role). These pictures of the path of devotion are not accurate, even the picture of Trimurti. They show 'Prajapita' in the Subtle Region in the path of devotion. So, Baba is explaining on the path of devotion, who think 'Prajapita' is in the Subtle Region. And from that perspective, it was said 'Prajapita' is not in the Subtle Region. They skipped all of this in 'True Gita'. This is how they hide the original knowledge and then spread their own ignorance. And they call it 'Advance Knowledge' and the base of the same is 'True Gita'. They have changed the true meaning of the words 'Advance' and 'True'.

4. In the end of the same point in 'True Gita', it says "The Father sits and explains the meaning: Prajapita Brahma, who was a human being, himself becomes an angel later on". They don't really know how do we become angels. Otherwise, they should have replaced it by [...]. Angel means 'the one who has no body', also called the dwellers of Subtle Region. But we will attain that stage in the end. So, this particular line in "True Gita" is actually against the topic of the "True Gita". Because of ignorance, they have put it.

5. If you read the original Murli further from the point where they ended the "True Gita" point, it is well explained on Subtle Region. (There is no Subtle Region in real). But it would be difficult to explain the knowledge without the help of the pictures of Subtle Region etc. It is an interesting thing. But they (PBKs) don't need this in 'True Gita'.

6. Actually, 'the Advance knowledge' doesn't mean anything. They just pick up some words from here and there and prepare a point and give their own clarification. That is actually to take you far, far away from the original knowledge. Like, if you read the 6th point under the topic named "COMPLETE AND INCOMPLETE Mama-BABA" in "True-Gita" at page number 15, it says, When Prajapita Brahma becomes complete, his sins are destroyed, he becomes an angel. The residents of the Subtle Region are called angels. Here, they are actually talking about Dixit ji, because he is the 'complete Baba' in this topic and BKs Brahma is 'incomplete Baba'. Then what is the meaning of Subtle Region or the residents of Subtle Region here? Now they would say 'it is the subtle stage of manan-chintan-manthan (churning)'. That means, they keep changing the meanings of the same things based on the circumstances.
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7. Another one, at page no. 26 in “True-Gita’, topic named “THE SOULS OF BRAHMA AND PRAJAPITA BRAHMA ARE DIFFERENT” and 6th point, which says "The Subtle Region dweller certainly won’t be called Prajapita....". So now they are proving that the one who is alive (Dixit ji) is 'Prajapita' and the one who has left his body (BKs Brahma) is not Prajapita. See, they have again changed the meaning of Subtle Region or the dweller of Subtle Region. There are many such points, where they give their own clarifications that best suit them. This is the reality of 'Advance knowledge'
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Re: PBKs - 'Sacchi Gita Khand 1' EXPOSED [English]

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Some tips to verify the Murli points of "True Gita Vol.1" with the original Murlis:

1.First of all, download the new "True Gita Vol.1". It is important to use the new book as they have recently updated the revised Murli dates with the original dates of the Murlis for many points. Link: http://www.PBKs.info/Website%20written% ... Eng%5d.pdf

I think, some points are missing in the English version of "True Gita" as compared to Hindi version. Another problem with ‘True Gita’ (English version) is that there are possibilities of mis-interpretations also.

2.Pick up any topic. First, collect all such points which have original Murli dates .i.e dates earlier than 18.1.69. Then check if the original Murli is available for those points. Here the problem is, we don't have the original Murlis translated. They are in Hindi. But there are ways to find the corresponding revised Murlis from BKs website. Or get some help to translate. One could do that at least for few important points. I am sharing the link for Hindi Murlis,

http://www.adhyatmik-vidyalaya.com/MurliScript.aspx

If not found there, check the scanned Murlis on below link,
http://www.adhyatmik-vidyalaya.com/ScanMurli.aspx

3.Once you have found the original Murli for a "True Gita" Murli point, first of all, think over the name of the topic which is given in "True Gita". That will give some hints on what are they trying to prove with all those points under that topic. Then, as you proceed verfiying with the original Murli, try to understand whether the name of the topic given is valid or not. You will understand this only when you verify the original mrulis. Actually, none of the topic name matches with the Murli points under it. In fact, the points are contrary to the name of their respective topic. You should verify by yourself. For eg.: there are topics, "Recognition of the Father", "The Father's form, custume", "The Father's abode" etc and actually, 'The Father" always refers to "Shiv" in the original Murlis. But "True Gita" is trying to prove that 'Dixit ji' is being addressed as 'The Father' in all those points. Similarly there are topics like 'The Confluence Age Lakshmi-Narayan'. You will never find such terms in the original Murlis. Everything that is said about 'Lakshmi-Narayan' or 'Radha-Krishn' in the original Murlis, it is always for the Golden Age. You may also verify the topics on 'Brahma' or 'Prajapita' and so on.

4.As you verify the "True Gita" points, you should always focus on what is being said “just before and after the ‘True Gita’ point” in the original Murlis. This is very important and you will be surprised.

5.Similarly, you will see a lots of [...], in between, in the "True Gita" points. You will even find it 3-4 times in the same point. You should verify from the original Murlis, what is being said there. [...] means they are skipping few words or lines to shorten the point.

6.They even add some words inside the brackets between the "True Gita" points. They are not part of the original Murlis, it is their own clarification or a view. We should understand, what are they are trying to prove with it and what the original Murli actually talks about it.

7.Lastly, most of the points in "True Gita" have revised dates and it is difficult to find those Murlis. But, even if you read only the "True Gita" points, you will understand the mistakes. Like there is a point "Prajapita will exist here itself. He is Lekhraj in the last birth. He certainly can’t become Prajapita". "True Gita" is trying to prove that Dada Lekhraj is not Prajapita, but Dixt ji is. But, if you read it carefully, what it says is, Prajapita is Lekhraj in the last birth. But his name was Dada Lekhraj untill the age of 60 years, not 'Prajapita'. When Baba enters, he makes him his wife as said in many Murlis, also the name gets changed. Hence, he becomes Prajapita when Shiv enters him at the age of 60 years.

Let's first concentrate on some important points in "True Gita" and later, we will see topic by topic.

The next point is, at page no. 37 in "True Gita' under the topic named "Ram Failed", 3rd point is something like this,
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And the original Murli says ((a part of the Murli has been translated, as I could not find it online), “There is no expenses in this (Purusharth). Government (of a nation) has a lot of expenses. Here, whatever you do is for your own welfare. Then as you like you may come in the rosary of 8 or 108 or 16108. To be part of the rosary of 8 means pass with honour. Earn such an amount of Yoga that you attain the stage of Karmatit. And do not suffer punishments. There is Ramcandra. He too had to suffer punishments, because he failed. That is why he is shown with arrows. In fact, we all are Kshatriya, warriors, aren’t we? Your fight is with Ravan. Not with any human. As they fail, they attain 2 celestial degrees less. They are even called as Kshatriya (warriors) and also they come later. Treta (Silver Age) is called 2 celestial degrees less. One should do the purusharth of following the Father fully. This requires to surrender by mind and intellect.”
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Re: PBKs - 'Sacchi Gita Khand 1' EXPOSED [English]

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From viewtopic.php?f=38&p=54404#p54404

Refer viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2722&p=54400#p54398 and
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2721&p=54401#p54397

Original SM 30.01.68 See page 1, line 19
http://PBKs.info/Streaming/MP3/bma/orgl ... 0-1-68.pdf
वह है कर्मबन्धन में, वह है कर्मातीत।
That one is in the bondage of ‘karma’, that one is ‘karmateet’.

PBK ‘True Gita Vol. 1’ See page 39, point 5
http://www.PBKs.info/Website%20written% ... Eng%5d.pdf
वह (साकार) है कर्मबंधन में। वह (अव्यक्त) है कर्मातीत।
That (corporeal one) is in karmic bondages, that (subtle one) is karmateet.

BK Revised SM 08.01.2019 See page 1, line 10
https://madhubanmurli.org/#hi+2019-01-08
यह साकार है कर्मबन्धन में, वह सूक्ष्म है कर्मातीत।
This corporeal one is in the bondage of karma whereas that subtle being is karmateet.

View clarifications in link below:
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2602&start=915#p53892
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Re: PBKs - 'Sacchi Gita Khand 1' EXPOSED [English]

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First of all, let me make it very clear that I am not against PBKs. It's a well-known fact that Baba Dixit is very strict, especially when it comes to literature. We PBKs cannot just make any kind of literature on our own. It takes a hell lot of time there to even get a pamphlet passed. Whether it's a translation or "True Gita" kind of book, everything requires to be passed by Baba Dixit. Those (PBKs) who worked on these literatures have only followed the directions of Baba Dixit. And they thought it's a service of the God. It is not at all their fault. I am myself was a PBK for a long time and just now stepped out.

Let's get back to the last post. It's a very interesting point on the topic of 'Ram Failed' of "True Gita".
1.If you compare with the original Murli, just before where it starts in "True Gita", it talks about 8,108, 16108 (the rosaries), specially the 8.In comparison to those rosaries or souls, it was said 'Ramchandra failed'. Notice the comparison. They don't mention this in 'True Gita'. In fact, I mis-translated it as I simply copied from their 'True Gita". It should not be "There is Ramchandra", it should be "Like, there is Ramchandra". They have even omitted the 'Like' in "True Gita". Similarly, if you read the original Murli right from where they end the point in "True Gita", it is further said that as they fail so they attain 2 celestial degrees less, they are called as Kshatriya (warriors) and they come (rule) later. Again, they don't mention this in "True Gita".

2.Using an incomplete Murli point, they say 'We are all warriors and everybody would fail. But, Ram failed first and hence he gains experience and he gets 'arrows' in the form of inheritance in his next birth. What non-sense is this! Did he get the 'arrows of ignorance' as inheritance?

3.First thing is, he (Baba Dixit) was not even present in the beginning of the Yagya as they say 'Ram failed in the beginning, in the last life'. Second thing, how could you fail in the beginning itself? First, let the teachings begin.Baba started narrating the Murlis around 1947 or later from Karachi. Baba Dixit ji was born in 1942. First studies, then exam and finally result. Then, the question of 'fail' or 'pass' arises. It was also said, results will be announed in the end. And we don't recieve arrows as inheritance. The inheritance is of mukti (liberation) and jiivanmukti (liberation in life) which we recieve in the next life or at the end of this life.

He (Baba Dixit) built his own knowledge or rather ignorance. Seems, someone is giving the exam of a wrong board, of which, he doesn't even know the syllabus.

There are at least 200 such points on 'Ram failed' have been found so far across the Murlis and "True Gita". If we understand at least 3-4 of them, then everything will become clear.

4.It is made so clear in one such Murli, 'you all are warriors (as we are at war with Maya). But you win and Ramchandra fails. It was said comparatively. It's like, he (Ram) just remained a warrior, not won the war even in the end and the results are announced. There will be a time-frame, right? So, in the remembrance of that he is shown with the arrows in the path of devotion. Murlis also say, ‘but this was misunderstood and in a physical sense and hence made him (Ram) violent. But, the Baba's children, the group of 9lac pass the exam and become deities, not warriors. Another Murli says 'Memorials are made on the basis of final result'. It's not that you fail in the beginning itself and memorials are also made on that basis.
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When these Murlis were exposed by few people around one and a half a year ago, Baba Dixit took an U-turn and started saying 'Ram fails in the end also. aadi so ant (as is the beginning, so is the end)' in a VCD. Such a sudden change! He didn’t think, if he fails in the end, how can he be number 1? We should pass in the end. Don't worry, I will show you the VCD if it is translated.

5.It's not only about Ramchandra. Almost, every time whenever the Murli talks about Shankar, it was said in comparison to 'Brahma' and Vishnu'. Again here, 'True Gita' speaks half-baked points. We will discuss later on Shankar in detail.

6.Another important thing in this Murli of 5.1.67, it is so clear that the 8 do not suffer punishments and Ram would suffer punishments. This was said in comparison. That means Ramchandra is not among the 8, as he suffers punishments. Then how can he be number 1? What should I understand from this Murli if I am a PBK? Is it that in the beginning of the Yagya, 7 passed and Ram failed? To put it simply, Ramchandra is out of the rosary of 8.

But, actually it's not only that he would suffer punishments. The Murli says, 'he failed (or fails)'. Another Murli says, he did not even get 33 marks. Do you think there should be some unlimited meaning there? Not at all. So Ramchandra is out of the group of 9 lacs. He should be living his 83rd birth now. He doesn't take the first birth as 'Brahman'. He will not become a Brahmin and therefore neither deity. We will discuss this later in detail. So the soul of Ram takes only 83 births, first soul after the 9 lac group.

The next point is so amazing. Take a look at the first and second point in the same topic 'Ram failed'. Both the points belong to a same Murli. They even appear one after the another in the original Murli.Back to back. They have divided it into two and hence each has it's own independent meaning in 'True Gita'. But, they are so deeply connected.

Below is the link for revised version of 23.7.68,
(BKs have altered this Murli in the favour of Baba Dixit)
https://bkmurli.com/today-Murli-8-july- ... i-English/
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Re: PBKs - 'Sacchi Gita Khand 1' EXPOSED [English]

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The first and second points from the topic 'Ram FAILED' in 'True Gita' at page number 37:
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First, let us understand their purpose behind this topic. As I understand, since the beginning, BKs always used to ask PBKs that 'Ram gets failed', so how can he become the Father or the Chariot? Because, BKs have heard this point a lot many times in the Murlis. It's a very common point. So Dixit Baba had to come up with some powerful answer. His answer was, "Every one of us is a warrior, nobody can escape from Maya. Ram did not fail in the final exam. It was not said in the Murli that 'he will fail'. It was said 'Ram failed'. Meaning, he got failed in the beginning of the Yagya. Then he developed firm faith (Nischay buddhi) in 1976. So he would not fail the final exam. There was not enough knowledge in the beginning and Ram was an intellectual soul. So maybe he had some doubts and so he failed. But he became most experienced because he got failed first. Then he gets bow and arrows (of knowledge) as inheritance from ShivBaba in his next life. So that he can earn and eat (matter of earning the knowledge/purusharth). He keeps shooting the arrows towards BKs or demons from 1976, when the shooting of Silver Age starts. So the stories, scriptures like Ramayan, pictures of Ram with arrows are memorials of this". Thus Dixit ji came up with a wonderful clarification. To support the same, they added this topic in 'True Gita' also.

Actually, there are no memorials of purusharthi stage. Because Brahmins never stay in constant stage. Because of which, the decorations are given to deities in the path of devotion. In the same way, Brahma is also not given any decorations, also not worshipped. But the Brahmins and Brahma are worshipped in the form of deities like Vishnu, Lakshmi-Narayan etc. Also, the concept of 'shooting period in the Confluence Age' is totally false.

If you read the original Murli, you will find these lines,
"Ramachandra has been symbolised as a warrior (shown with a bow and arrow). You are all warriors who gain victory over Maya. Those who pass with fewer marks are known as those who belong to the moon dynasty."

This is an incorrect translation by BKs. I am translating it from the actual Hindi Murli below,
"Ramcandra didn’t gain victory. That is why he has been given the mark of a Kshatriya (warrior). You all are Kshatriya, who gain victory over Maya, aren’t you? Those who pass with lesser marks are called Chandravansis (of Moon dynasty). That is why Ram has been given arrows etc".
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As you can see, those two different points of 'True Gita' are actually part of the same Murli and that too, they appear one after the another.
The original Murli says,"Ramcandra didn’t gain victory. That is why he has been given the mark of a Kshatriya (warrior). You are also warriors but you gain victory over Maya". So if you read both the points together as they are in the original Murli, it is very clearly said that 'Ram did not gain victory and you (Baba's children of 9 lac) gain victory in the war of Maya'. In just two lines, it is so clear.

How they are showing it in 'True Gita'? To prove their objective, as we discussed in the beginning of this post. How can they split the two lines, which are beside each other, to make two different points? Thus they made two different points out of it in 'True Gita', as shown below,

*"Ramcandra didn’t gain victory. That is why he has been given the mark of a Kshatriya (warrior).
*You all are Kshatriya, who gain victory over Maya, aren’t you? [...] Ram has been given arrows etc

In the first point, they are only saying 'Ram did not win or he failed and hence is shown with the arrows'. If any PBK reads this, he will say, 'yes Ram failed in the beginning of the Yagya, because of which, he got the arrows of knowledge as inheritance and he will not fail in the final paper'. He will be completely clueless.

In the second point, they prove that, 'we are all warriors. Not only Ram. So everybody will fail. And we will win in the end over Maya. And Ram tops the list of those who win and hence he is shown with the arrows. So ShivBaba says in Murli "showing with arrows means he failed" and Baba Dixit says "Ram has been given arrows, means, he gets the highest marks". There is a huge difference. They always talk opposite of ShivBaba and the Murlis and this is what they call 'Advance Knowledge'.

In the second point, there is [...]. They have skipped a line there. But in that line itself, the original Murli says, "Those who pass with fewer marks are called Chandravansis (of Moon dynasty). That is why ". There, it is clearly said why Ram has been given arrows, because he gets lesser marks and he is also called chandravansi. Observe that, they have removed ('That is why') also, which is actually part of the sentence in the 'True- Gita' point. So the meaning changes completely. They are proving that 'Ram actually wins over Maya (in the end) and hence has been given arrows'. Or ‘As Ram has been given arrows as inheritance, he gains victory over Maya’. There is a difference of day and night between the truth and the advance knowledge.
------to be continued
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Re: PBKs - 'Sacchi Gita Khand 1' EXPOSED [English]

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From the previous post:

Let us revisit the second point in the topic 'Ram failed',

"You all are Kshatriya, who gain victory over Maya, aren’t you? [...] Ram has been given arrows and so on. There is certainly no violence in the Silver Age. (Then, where is it prevalent?)" (Mu.23.07.68,
middle of pg.3)

PBKs have added extra comments in the bracket at the end, which says "Then, where is it prevalent?".
The Murli says 'There is certainly no violence in the Silver Age'. Baba is trying to say that they have made Ram, a violent one in the scriptures by giving arrows to him. But as Ram is shown in Silver Age, people in the path of devotion think that Ram was actually a warrior and there must have been violence in the Silver Age too. This is how the scriptures portray Ram and Silver Age. Which is incorrect. Definitely there was no violence in the Silver Age.

But PBKs have their own knowledge. Thjey think, this is all about Confluence Age. They think it is about the shooting period of Silver Age inside the Confluence Age, where the soul of Ram keeps shooting the arrows. They also believe, the memorials of this shooting period on Ram is written in the scriptures. Hence Ram is shown with arrows in the scriptures. So based on their belief they have added this comment inside the brackets, which means 'it is about the violence in the confluence in some unlimited meaning'. But Baba says, those who fail are called Kshatriyas (warriors). They did not gain victory over Maya. But, in the scriptures, they have made Ram, a violent one. Baba says, it is about a war with Maya. But, in the path of devotion, they mis-interpreted it and hence they have shown Ram with arrows.

First of all, there are no memorials of purusharthi stage.The concepts of PBKs like 'shooting period','unlimited meaning','memorials of Confluence Age' are utterly false. Because of such concepts, not just PBKs, but most of the people in other parties (like Vishnu Party etc) as well have become degraded. Such is the strength of disservice done by 'advance knowledge'.

Actually, the memorials are based on the result in the end. Memorials are in the form of deities etc. Nobody would remember a thing about Confluence Age in the Copper Age. According to the plan of Drama, people just keep making something from Copper Age onwards based on their visions and some research and they become memorials themselves.
And these memorials are not based on 'Confluence Age' or 'Golden Age'. But they are about the overall and eternal Drama. They are made every Kalpa. In that too, memorials of mainly, 'Hero' and 'Villain' of the drama are made. Because, the leaders are praised mainly.
Scriptures are false, but that is also according to the plan of Drama. Like, they have given some weapon to Ram. May be, arrows were famous during that period of time. So they have given him arrows. They do it unknowingly, but yet the same becomes a memorial of Ram as Kshatriy according to the Drama. Which may cause degradation later. But that is drama. So, it's not that there is violence in the Silver Age.

But PBKs think it is the memorial of Confluence Age. Baba further explains in the same Murli on this, if you read it you will get some idea.
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Re: PBKs - 'Sacchi Gita Khand 1' EXPOSED [English]

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There is an important point in 'True Gita' which appears in two different topics. In both the cases, it is shown as if it is applicable to Baba Dixit only. Also, it's in an incomplete form in both the cases. Check this out-

Name of the topic is "THE Father'S DUTIES", at page number 22,
"You are like a light house, the one who brings everyone to their destination. [...] There is nothing that isn’t applicable to you". (Mu.14.04 .68, end of pg.3)

Name of the topic is 'NEW ROLE', at page number 31, second last point,

"There is nothing that isn’t applicable to You. You are the Surgeon as well as the Jeweller and the Washerman too. All the specialties come in You". (Mu.14.04.68, 05.05.69, end of pg.3)

This is a big weapon of Baba Dixit. Based on this point, he always keeps glorifying himself and he says, everything is applicable only to him. He is the God himself, he is Ravan also, also Ram, also Krishn, also Narayan, also Brahma, Shankar, and the main Vishnu out of those 5. This way, he glorifies himself in every aspect., applies every role to himself. He doesn't give anything to the children. And the children (the PBKs), putting their body, mind and wealth, keep listening to this glory throughout the day. is not it amazing? Baba Dixit even says, he is the main seed soul, the Father, seed has all the qualities etc.

So he thinks, only he is the light house, the surgeon, the pawn maker, the Washerman etc. Only he himself is everything. Forget the children, he doesn't give any credit to "Shiv" also. His (Baba Dixit's) favourite line, "this whole thing is about the corporeal one, everything applies to only him. Shiv doesn't do anything". Wherever the word "the Father" comes in the Murli, he applies it to himself. Which actually applies to "Shiv" always. There are many such topics in 'True Gita' on "the Father" which try to prove that all that is said in the Murlis is applicable to only Baba Dixit.

Check this in the original Murli (revised on 8th March, 2019),

https://bkmurli.com/?s=08%2F03%2F1
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So this was said for all of us, the children of ShivBaba, but number-wise. Actually, these are the titles of Shiv, which he then gives them to the children. So it was said 'All the specialties come in you'. The word 'applies' in here means that we all get the titles of ShivBaba, we get all those qualities also.

But Baba Dixit has not only taken the advantage of an incomplete 'True Gita point', but he has even made a new version out of it. "There is no such thing in the world that doesn't apply to you (Baba Dixit)", which he keeps repeating again and again in his VCD classes and fooling around everyone, as if it is an actual version from the Murlis.. Thus he says, everything applies only to him. Means, he is everything and we should not question him, let him do whatever he wants as he is the Father.

The word 'you' here in this Murli applies to all of us. And Baba Dixit is actually not in that 'you'. He is not in the list of 9 lac children. But on the contrary, he stole all the titles. And then hides the truth that it has been told for all of us, number-wise.

Out of those titles, he manily assumed the form of a Washerman, specially. He even keeps warning the PBKs, "Don't try to become a washerman, this is only for me. I will make the sinful ones pure, being a washerman". He even says, he had his laundry bay even in the beginning of the Yagya. Do you know the duty of a 'washerman' according to the advance knowledge? If not, please ask someone and find out. He has done a huge amount of disservice, being a washerman, in these last 40-45 years.

Whereas, neither that title belongs to him, nor does he understand the actual meaning of washerman. This title belongs to Shiv, then to all of us children too. The meaning of dhobi (washerman) as explained in another Murli, 'With the power of Yoga, we make the whole world pure, along with 5 elements'.
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Re: PBKs - 'Sacchi Gita Khand 1' EXPOSED [English]

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As we have seen in the last post, Baba Dixit has his own version of a sentence from S.M.14.4.68, something like, "There is no such thing in the world that doesn't apply to you (Baba Dixit)". While stating this point everywhere, in every VCD, he continues to glorify himself, even if it does not present in the original Murli of that VCD. Also, he misinterprets the meaning of "washerman", and then even acts accordingly.

In fact, the original Murli did not mention the word "world". It talks about the titles and qualities of Shiva. Which we obtain number-wise based on our efforts. But Baba Dixit has his own version, "There is no such thing in the world....". Hence he explains, everything in the world applies to him. Every PBK must have heard this line many a times in the VCD/Audio classes.

Now let's see the VCD clarification of S.M.14.4.68. It is in VCD 911 and the link is below,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL0nqvCSeLI

This is in Hindi. English translation is not yet available for this.

In the VCD, at 1.05.30 mins, Baba Dixit doesn't give clarification on "so all of this praise applies to you but, number-wise, according to the effort you make. The praise you receive is according to the task you perform". Those lines are talking about us, the children of Baba. We get the praise and titles. Baba Dixit just went on reading without giving any clarification in the VCD. But the clarification on "There is no such thing in the world that doesn't apply to you (Baba Dixit)" had been given earlier many a times in VCDs/ACDs. The same is present in "True Gita" as well. So in a way, he is hiding the facts even in this VCD without clarifying those lines.

Another important thing to note in the VCD i(if you notice in the video) is, he actually underlines carefully when he reads the line, "There is nothing that isn’t applicable to you". He also underlines the point on "washerman". He really needs those lines to spread the ignorance. However, this was already printed in "True Gita" before this VCD class. Yet he underlines again. But he doesn't underline the next lines- "so all of this praise applies to you but, number-wise....". Neither he makes a note of these lines, nor does he give any clarification.

He gives some funny clarification between 58.08 mins and 59.25 mins in the VCD. There is a talk on "see off" is going on in the original Murli, which is written in Hindi of course. He thinks it is "sea off" and starts giving clarification in his own unlimited meaning on "the ocean of knowledge". So funny!

If you want to know which Murli was clarified when and in which VCD, then go to this link- http://PBKs.info/ and download "Classes List".

We discussed on S.M.23.7.68 in the previous posts to understand how they have modified the things in "True Gita" in the topic named "Ram Failed". If you check the clarification of 23.7.68 in VCD 1092, between 6.40 mins and 27 mins, Baba Dixit is hiding many facts. He avoids taking the name of "Ram", when the original Murli talks about "Ram getting failed". And he gives his own clarification on the Murli. Similarly on Shankar in the same VCD. We don't have English translation for VCD 1092 also.

You will find English translations for many of the VCDs/ACDS on their website PBKs.info, with subtitles and oral commentary. There is a literature section also for English translations. You may make use of them, in case, if someone wants to verify the VCDs/ACDs of Baba Dixit's classes with the original Murlis.
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Re: PBKs - 'Sacchi Gita Khand 1' EXPOSED [English]

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In "True Gita", name of the topic is 'LAKSHMI –Narayan', at page no.56, last point of the topic:
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"The Father will come and make us the masters of the world. [...] It is about this birth, isn’t it"? (Night class mu.30.04.68, beginning of pg.1)

What do you understand after reading this?
Anyone or a PBK in particular, would think after reading this, "The Father (Shiv) comes and makes us the masters of the world and that too, in this birth, with this body itself". The purpose of the topic is also the same. So the name of the topic is 'Lakshmi-Narayan'. It's a well-known concept amongst PBKs. They think that they will become 'Lakshmi-Narayan' in this body. So according to PBKs, "becoming Narayan from a man" means to become through this body. Similarly, "becoming masters of the world" means to PBKs that to become the masters of the present world, not Golden Age. That is why you will often hear from PBKs "The world means 700 crores of people, which do not exist in the Golden Age. So it is a matter of this world, the Murlis are talking about this world".

But, what has been said in the original Murli? We do not have English translation for S.M.30.4.68.P.M. May be, BKs do not maintain the night classes. First few lines are translated below,

"The children share the experiences. This one (Brahma) is also a child, shares his experiences. They say ,it was never in our dream also, the Father will come and make us the masters of the world. Nobody can ever think like that. It is about this birth, isn’t it? Though, they (we) used to worship; But it was never in the mind that the Father would come and teach, we would become the masters of the world like these (Lakshmi-Narayan).

So in the original Murli, the children and Dada (Brahma) are sharing their experiences. So they say, we never thought that (one day) the Father would come and make us the masters of the world. It is obvious that nobody will ever think so.

In "True Gita", they are showing it as if the Murli is talking regarding Father making us the masters of the world. In that too, if you notice, they are starting off from the midway of the sentence. They simply skipped- 'They say, it was never in our dream also' and they start from- 'the Father will come and make us the masters of the world'. They have already skipped the first two sentences, where it is clear that the children are sharing the experiences. But, how can they ignore half of the sentence just like that? So the whole thing becomes meaningless. First half of the sentence says, 'it was never in our dream'.

Next, they have put [...] in the middle of their 'True Gita' point. Just before- "It is about this birth, isn’t it"? In the original Murli it says "Nobody can ever think like that". How can they skip this and put [...]? This sentence again talks about the experiences of the children which they are sharing .

Now the last part, ""It is about this birth, isn’t it"?"". They have hidden so many things in the first half of the point already. And now, they are trying to prove that we will become Lakshmi Narayan in this birth.

But the original says, in this birth (in the past), it was never in our dream that the Father would come and make us the masters of the world. That means, in this birth itself in the past, they never had such a thought. If you read two more lines further in the original Murli, it is even clear.

But, "True Gita" is trying to prove that we will become Lakshmi-Narayan in this birth. It is not matching even to a level 5% with the original Murli. We can not simply call this 'messing up', this is much more than that. I have no words to express. I am speechless!

Baba Dixit keeps repeating Sanskrit shlokas (verses) in the (clarification) classes which leaves a huge impression on the people. But in reality, he doesn't even know Hindi fully. How could anyone can make such a Murli point?

We PBKs always keep saying "the Father's children will never accept anything without the proofs". As though we follow the Murlis completely. So is this enough of proof or do we need some more?
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Re: PBKs - 'Sacchi Gita Khand 1' EXPOSED [English]

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In 'True Gita', topic named 'ENTRANCE OF THE Father Shiva', at page no. 13:
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It should not be-"I enter those...They were...Then they...". The Murli talks about the Chariot, who is only one. PBKs are trying to prove that there are two chariots.

The original Murli is,
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(Revised on 12th August, 2019)

Link: http://www.bkmurlitoday.com/2019/08/bra ... glish.html

1. Whatever is highlighted here has been intentionally or unknowingly skipped in "True Gita". These 3-4 lines are speaking about Dada Lekhraj.
2. In those lines, Murli explains the meaning of 'Ordinary man'. 'Ordinary' doesn't mean poor. In fact, Dada Lekhraj was very poor in his childhood. So he is called a 'Village lad'. "True Gita' hides these important facts. Then Baba Diixit says, Dada Lekhraj was not ordinary, he was extra-ordinary as he was rich, good looking etc. What nonsense!

He became rich later. We should not even say rich. It has been said in more than 10-15 Murlis that Ordinary doesn't mean poor, but also not rich. It is even said 'nowadays, even the millionares are not considered rich'. Everywhere (in the Murlis) it is even said that he became ordinary later. He was poor in his childhood, a village lad. It is even explained why and how he was a village lad. The whole history of his childhood has been discussed in many Murlis. It is further said in the Murlis that according to the plan of drama he became ordinary. Because, the furnace (Bhatti) had to be created. Otherwise, who would feed them all? That is why, it is always said in the Murlis that Shiv enters in the ordinary body, according to the plan of drama. These facts have been told repeateadly in many Murlis. The same facts are present in this Murli too, as highlighted and are skipped in "True Gita".

Baba Dixit doesn't even know the meaning of ordinary. He thinks, ordinary means completely poor. He further says that as he himself was poor financially and also health-wise (physically), he is the real Chariot of Shiv. But if you are the real Chariot, instead of explaining the Murlis, why do you always come with incomplete Murlis? Why did you skip those lines in "True Gita"?
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Let's move on to next proof: In the S.M.26.6.68.A.M, page 2 talks a lot on Brahma, Brahma as a Chariot. Definition of 'Ordinary' is given as 'neither very poor nor very wealthy', 'neither very high nor very low'. Further in the same Murli at page 2, ShivBaba says, "why did you make me black (black Shivling in the path of devotion).As they think, so they made me'.

Then page 3 also talks on Brahma completely, especially on the Chariot, in whom Shiv enters.

Even in the midst of this, Baba Dixit managed to prepare two Murli points for his "True Gita" from this Murli. That too from the pages 2 and 3. So check these out in "True Gita", in the topic named 'ENTRANCE OF THE Father Shiva', at page no.13.

Both the Murli points are actually talking about Dada Lekhraj. But "True Gita" tries prove, as usual, that they apply to Baba Dixit.
So let's arrange the "True Gita" Murli points along with what has been said before and after the "True Gita" points in the original Murlis in an order, in the next post. So that we will be able to understand how the 'True Gita' is hiding the facts and portraying the false knowledge.

Link for original Murli ((Revised on 4th June, 2019) : https://bkmurli.com/today-Murli-4-june- ... i-English/
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Re: PBKs - 'Sacchi Gita Khand 1' EXPOSED [English]

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S.M.26.6.68.A.M (Original Murli) V/S "True Gita", the topic named 'ENTRANCE OF THE Father Shiva', at page no.13:
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S.M.26.6.68.A.M (Original Murli) V/S "True Gita", the topic named 'ENTRANCE OF THE Father Shiva', at page no.13:
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