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Re: False Gita, and its effect

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# Post No. 51)To what extent "placing corporeal personality in the seat of God of Gita" is a cause for mixing/equating Shankar with Shiv?

171)Assuming corporeal deity Krishna to be God of Gita could have speeded up mixing/equating incorporeal Shiv with Shankar.
Else- just think- If in Gita Sermonizer is said to be incorporeal, chances of mixing incorporeal Shiv with subtle deity Shankar would be much lesser, is it not?

A detailed analysis is given below with the help of Murli points (=Godly versions as per BK belief). Those who are not familiar with BK philosophy may ignore "Murli points" in the topic. Still it would not be any hindrance in grasping more than 80% of the matter.

In this topic - "Baba says" = ShivBaba says" = "Murli points" = "SM(Sakar Murli)" = AM(Avyat Murli)".
All these mean one and the same. [Literally BABA= Father. Here, it stands for "Supreme Incorporeal God Father Shiv". Murli means "FLUTE (of knowledge)"]

172) SM 04-12-72(1):- Shiv va Shankar ke mandir jaate hain. Shiv aur Shankar ko bhi ikattaa kiyaa hai. Hai toh donon hi alag. Vo nirakar, vo sookshm sharirdhari. Vo moolvatan may rahnevalaa vo sookshmvatan may rahnevaalaa. Toh baap samjhaate hain mandiron may byel(bull) dikhaate hain. Samajhte hain Shiv Shankar ki byel par savari hai. Ab Shiv ke liye to kahte hain sarvavyaapi hai. Aise nahin kahenge Shiv Shankar sarvavyaapi hain. Ek Parampita Nirakar ko hi kahte hain kuttay, billi, tikkar may sarvavyaapi hai. Shankar ke liye nahin kahenge. Unko to apnaa sharir hai na. Yah sab points hain.

= People visit Shiv or Shankar's temples. Shiv and Shankar also have been mixed. Actually, both are different. One (Shiv) is incorporeal, the other one(Shankar) is subtle bodied (personality). One/Shiv resides in IW(Incorporeal World), the other one(Shankar) in the Subtle Region. So- Father explains- Bull is shown in temples. They believe Shiv Shankar ride on the Bull. Now- to Shiv, they say omnipresent. They do not say- Shiv-Shankar is omnipresent. To the one incorporeal Supreme Father only is said that he is omnipresent in dog, cat, dirt, etc. To Shankar it is not said so. He has body of himself, is it not? (You) have all these points (to prove that God has no body, and to prove Shiv is separate than Shankar, etc.).

173) SM 9-5-82(3):- Baap hai niraakaar, gyaan ka sagar. Vah is rath may pravesh karte hain. VAH TO SHIVSHANKAR KAH DETE. AB SHIV TO (BYEL PAR) SAVARI KAR NA SAKE. Isliye phir Shankar kah dete hain. Toh bachchon ko bahut rahamdil ban_na chahiye. -9-

= Father is incorporeal, ocean of knowledge. He enters in this Chariot. They/devotees say Shiv_Shankar. Now(=since) SHIV(incorporeal) cannot ride (on bull), they have said Shankar. So children should become highly merciful.

[People had shown Bull as vehicle of Shiv. But, they do not know how Shiv/point enters into human Bull (Lekhraj Kirpalani). So, to make the vehicle fit to Shiv, they have shown Shiv as a human (= Shankar) too.]

174)SM 1-9-81(1, 2):- Gaayaa huva hai brahma dwara sthapnaa Vishnu dwara paalnaa to theek hai. Lekin Shankar ko shiv ke saath milaa diyaa hai. Yah wrong hai. Shivshankar kah dete hain. KYONKI Shankar TO KOYI KAAM NAHIN KARTE TO SHIV SE MILA DIYAA HAI. Parantu ShivBaba kahte hain mujhe to bahut kaam karnaa padtaa hai. Sabko pavan banana padtaa hai. Main is brahma may pravesh kar is Sakar dwara sthaapnaa kaa kaary karaataa hun. Shankar ka to koyi part hai nahin. Shiv ki poojaa hoti hai. Main hee kalyaankaari jholi bharneyvaalaa hun. Shiv parmaatmaaya namah kahte hain na. YAH BRAHMA BHI PRAJAPITA THA_RAA. Brahma so Vishnu, Vishnu so Brahma. -1,1-

= It is said creation through brahma and sustenance through Vishnu; that is correct. But Shankar is mixed with Shiv. This is wrong. They say ShivShankar. SINCE Shankar DOES NOT DO ANY WORK, HE IS MIXED WITH SHIV. But ShivBaba says- I need to do lot of work, i have to purify all. I enter in this brahma and through this corporeal get done the work of creation. There is no part of Shankar. Pooja/worsjip of Shiv takes place. I am the one who is benefactor and the one who fill bags. It is said Shiv is God, is it not? THIS BRAHMA IS ALSO PRAJAPITA. Brahma so Vishnu, Vishnu so Brahma.

175)SM 16-12-82(3):- Ab tum samajhdaar sayaane bane ho. Tum jaante ho ki BVS hain sookshmvatanvaasi. Usmey bhi Brahma so Vishnu ka part yahaan hain. Shankar KO YAHAAN AANE KI DARKAAR NAHIN HAI. Yahaan hain Jagadamba, Jagatpita aur tum bachche. -125

= Now you have become intelligent. You know BVS are residents of Subtle Region. Even in that the part of Brahma so Vishnu is here. There is no need for Shankar to come here. Here there are Jagadamba, Jagatpita and you children.

176)SM 30-7-81(1):- ShivBaba Brahma may aakar Vishnupuri ki sthaapnaa kar rahe hain. Saamney khade hain. Oopar may hain ShivBaba. Brahma aur Vishnu bhi yahaan chahiye. Shankar KA PART HI OOPAR MAY HAI THODA SAA. ShivBaba ne Brahma dwara sthaapanaa ki thi. Ab kar rahe hain. -142

= ShivBaba has come in Brahma and is creating Vishnupuri. (Visnhu) is standing in the front. At top (of Trimurti picture) there is ShivBaba. Brahma and Vishnu are needed here. Shankar’s part is only at above, just a LITTLE. ShivBaba had done creation through Brahma. Now he is doing (again).

177)SM 21-12-72(1):- Tum jaante ho humaaraa Baap ayaa huva hai. Aayegaa bhi zaroor koyi sharir may hi na. Unko toh apnaa toh hai hi nahin. Vo punarjanm rahit hai. Punarjanm manushy srushti may hota hai. Shankar KA PUNARJANM NAHIN HOTA HAI. Vishnu ke do roop LN hai. Dev2 Mahadev kahte hain na. Brahma aur Vishnu unka aapas may connection hai. Shankar KA KOYI CONNECTION NAHIN HAI. ISLIYE UNKO BADA RAKHTE HAIN. UNKA PUNARJANM NAHIN HAI. Unko sookshm sharir milta hai. ShivBaba ko sookshm sharir bhi nahin hai. Isliye hi vo sabse oonch te oonch hai. Vo hai behad ka Baap. -154-

=... There is no rebirth of Shankar. Two forms of Vishnu are there. There is connection between Brahma and Vishnu. There is no any connection of Shankar. Hence he is kept above. There is no rebirth to Shankar. He (Shankar) gets subtle body. ShivBaba does not have even subtle body. Hence HE is highest of high. HE is unlimited Father.

[Since Shankar's part is not shown in corporeal world, he is has special respect. ]


178)SM 9-9-73(2):- Sabhi patiton ko pavan bananevaalaa ek hi Baap hai. Baki phir baad may numberwaar sabhi dharmvaale aate hain. CHRIST KI ATMA KO ACHCHAA PART MILA HUVA HAI. Baap ko to sabhi se achchaa part hai hi. Vah to creator, director hai. PHIR ACHCHA PART HAI BRAHMA Vishnu ka. Shankar ka to part hi vinash ka hai. Srushti ko badalna hi hai. Vinash jwaalaa nikalni hi hai. Is Ishwariy yagy se vinash jwala prajwalit hoti hai. Baki Shankar ka kaam kya hai? Yah mahima dee gayi hai. Sthaapnaa, vinaash aur paalnaa. Kis dwara? Naam to chahiye na. Chitron par poori samjhaani deni padti hai. Bigar samjhaane chitr koyi kaam kaa nahin. BVS ke occupation ko toh koyi nahin jaante. Baap aakar samjhate hain. Occupation to hai na. Shankar KO TOH YAHAAN AANAA NA HAI. NA PARVATI KO KATHA SUNAYI HAI. Kahte hain Shankar ke aankh kholne se vinash ho jata hai. Vah koyi vinash karte nahin hai. Yah tum bachche abhi samajhte ho. Baap kahte hain inhon dwara main sthaapanaa, vinaash aur paalnaa kartaa hun. KARAAVANHAAR KA ARTH CHAHIYE NA. Pandav Government ka head hai Bhagavaan. Krishn ki atma bhi is samay patit hai na. Bhagavaan aakar Krishn ki atma ko bhi pavan banate hain. Abhi Krishn ki atma swayam pavan banti jati hai. Krishn ki atma bahut janmon ke anth may kaho athvaa Brahma ki atma bahut janmon ka anth may kaho. Vah hai aadi, yah hai anth. Baath ek hee hai. To yah tum bachchon ko samjhaanaa hai. Shankh dhwani karni hai. -212-

= ....Shankar's part is destruction only. World will change. Flames of destruction will emerge. From this Godly Yagya, flames of destruction emerge. Rest what is work/duty of Shankar? He is given the praise. Creation, Destruction and Sustenance. Through whom? There is need for the names (for these duties), is it not? ....

179)SM 21-7-81(1):- Param Pita jo Gyan ka sagar hai vah baith Brahma dwara sabhi shastron ka saar samjhate hain. BVS ka bhi vah rachaita hai. Brahma ko va Vishnu ko Gyan ka sagar nahin kahenge. Shankar KEE TO BATH HEE CHODO. -127

= Param Pita who is ocean of knowledge clarifies/explains all the scriptures whilst sitting through Brahma. He is creator of even BVS. B or V cannot be called as(are not called as) Ocean of Knowledge. LEAVE THE MATTER OF Shankar.

180)SM 12-1-77(2):- Yah Brahma hee poojari ban Vishnu kee poojaa karte thay. Kahte hain Hum so poojaari that Vishnu ke. Ab hum so Vishnu poojy ban raha hun. Tatwam. Isko guhytam baath kaha jata hai. Brahma kahaan se aayaa? Vishnu kahaan gaya? Tum jaante ho V ke do roop Ln ko 84 janm poore kar anth may patit ban_na hai. Dynasty hee patit banti hai. Aise dharm ko bhool gaye hain. Apne ko devta maante hee nahin. Zaroor jab Devi Devta dharm praayahlop ho to phir main aakar sthaapan karoon. Aur sab dharmon ka khaalas kar doon. Phir se sahaj Rajyog sikhlaakar shreshthaachaari Devi Devta dharm ki sthaapna kar, baaki jo bhrashthaachaari dharm hain un sabka vinash kartaa hun. Shankar DWARA VINAASH, Shankar KI AUR KOYI BAATH NAHIN. POOJY SO POOJAARI YAH BRAHMA KI BAATH HAI. Poojari Brahma Saraswati so poojy LN. [Brahma so Vishnu point]

182)Part/role of creation and sustenance are large. There is need to perform in corporeal world.
But, role of destruction is small. Final destruction will trigger automatically by wars and natural calamties when the Yagya(BKs) becomes complete. So - it is AS IF triggered by inspiration. So- destruction part is not like playing through one personality like Brahma or ruling in the form of Vishnu (LN).
Hence baba may be saying- Shankar's part is just a little and is above(Subtle Region).

---But, Baba also says- actually, there is no need of even Shankar. But, when Brahma and Vishnu names are given for the first two parts (Creation and Sustenance), a similar name should be given for Shankar too, is it not?

--As said in Murli point 176, since Shankar's part is not shown in corporeal world, he is has SPECIAL respect. Now, when some human has to be placed in the seat of Shiv (to show as riding on bull), Shankar would be the best person. Hence Shankar got equated to Shiv.

183)Now- if we ask/check - To what extent false Gita is a cause for mixing Shankar with Shiv? -
It may not be easy to say- False Gita may is the direct cause for this mixing. But logically speaking- if God of Gita had been said to be as INCORPOREAL SHIV, then chances of equating Shankar to incorporeal Shiv would not have been much lesser, is it not?

184)So-when the highest seat in the highest scripture (God of Bhagavad_Gita) is given to a corporeal deity, value of incorporeal got further degraded and lost even more.
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# Post No. 52)Biography of Shiv got lost, Shankar's value too got degraded:-
# Post No. 53)Significance of Viraat/Vishwa Roop(Cosmic/Universal Form) also lost or could not be understood:-

185) When importance of "incorporeal seat" got lost different/all points of views as explained above, biography of Shiva also got lost.
Finally, Incorporeal Shiv's value came down to just as one of the 18 epics/puranas! Today "Shiv Puran" is just one of the 18 epics of Hinduism. Again a great falldown/ignorance!

In Hinduism, there are four Vedas, many(108 are traditional) Upanishads, Bhagavad_Gita, Manusmruti, and 18 epics, etc.
Gita and Vedas, and Upanishads have highest value. Epics have lower value. Now, Shiv_Puran is just one of the 18 epics. So, value of Shiv fell down from the HIGHEST of HIGH to just one of the corporeal and imaginary deities! [Because of these 18 epics, some are imaginary, not to the level of Sri Krishna, Sri Ram, Sri LN or Durga, etc.]

[Murli point (almost in right words):- Unhoney Shivpuraan likhaa hai. Lekin sachchi2 Shiv_puraan toh Gita hai = They have written ShivPuran (= epic/biography of shiv). But, true Shiv Puran is Gita].

186)Shankar is (mainly) shown as NAKED in Hinduism which actually indicates he has only subtle body, free from bondages of the physical body. It indicates perfection having no attachment to the physical body.
But, when Shankar is thought to be "physically riding on Bull", the devotees then might had given/considered Shankar too to have physical body as well.
Hence this may then led to write epics and then they have made Shankar too as a gruhasthi (Shankar having wife parvati and son Ganesh, etc.). So- value of Shankar too got lost from subtle body deity to a common corporeal deity.

187)In 11th Chapter of the lowkik/sanscrit Gita, God of Gita says- My real form is Virat Roop and shows it to Arjun. [Thousands of heads, hands are shown there. And, many varnas - deities, warriors, humans, etc all are shown.]
[But, we BKs now know Virat Roop actually represents Time Cycle = Full Universe = Full Creation = Full History of all the four yugas/ages = COAT of ARMs]. So- it indicates God is ocean of knowledge, has knowledge of all, gives power/sustenance to all, etc.
But, no Gita reader could understand it.

188)Some Gita believers say - real form of God is Viraat Roop, and Krishna' s form is only symbolic/nimitt/instrument.
---If that is the case, why do devotees worship or get attached to the symbolic form? Why not Viraat Roop is seen worshipped in temples?
Also- why not the rest avtaars/incarnations in the famous dasha_avataars (10 avtars) too are praised/worshipped to the same extent as Sri Krishna?

[So- logically, it indicates Sri Krishna can neither be God, nor is just a symbolic forms like fish, tortoise, etc. He has his own some great/deity personality, of course, next or lower to God, is it not?]

189)In simple words, in Murli, most beloved ocean of knowledge ShivBaba says- VIRAT means VARIETY. Hence Virat Roop means ALL/MAIN personailities in the history from "Golden Aged Kingdom till the end of Iron Aged Democracy". Simple, is it not?
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# Post No. 54)Mahabharath and Ramayan epics/history got highly distorted leading to great contradictions:-

190) In Hinduism itself there are different versions of Ramayan and Mahabharath with slight differences.
But, the same scripture is used by Jainism with great differences leading to say - "JAINISM MAHABHARATH".

https://www.dailyo.in/variety/ramayana- ... 15888.html


# Post No. 55)Jainism places deity Sri Krishna first in Hell and then as their Tirthankar!:-

191)Since Sri Krishna is shown as motivating Arjuna for physical war, Jains believe Krishna went(should go) to Hell (for one life/birth).
But, since the cause of war was for good, they also believe later Sri Krishna will become one of their Thirthankar in the next cycle.
Just imagine to what extent number one soul Sri Krishna who is very next to God got defamed.
http://jainnewsviews.blogspot.com/2017/ ... ankar.html

192) Lord Krishna too is revered as one of the next 24 Jain tirthankars. Pratima Kantilal Shah, a Jain scholar, says that Krishna was to go to the seventh hell, but was pardoned three hells when he performed the guru vandan (circumambulation of folded hands to pay respects) to 18,000 sadhus. In the Jain Ramayan called 'Trishastishalakapurush' and written by a Jain monk called Hemchandra Suriji,Krishna tells the 23rd Tirthankara Lord Arishtanemi: "I was not so tired from 360 battles as from this homage."

Dr Harshad Sanghrajka,who has helped set up Jainpedia (an online collection of Jain scriptures),says that Lord Krishna in Jain mythology was a cousin of Arishtanemi.
# Post No. 56)Ravan also got worshipped!:-
https://www.hindustantimes.com/mumbai ... ysgaP.html

193)Ravana may be the arch villain in the epic Ramayana, but for some people of the Jain community he is an ardent follower of lord Aadinath (or Rishabhadeva), their first religious teacher or Tirthankara, and a pious temple-goer in Himalayas.
194)Some other people in Hinduism too worship Ravan.

Eg- https://www.indiatoday.in/lifestyle/cul ... 2016-10-10

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-South-Indi ... -than-Rama

https://www.news18.com/news/lifestyle/t ... 31863.html

---Whether placing deity Sri Krishna in the seat of God of Gita has any connection in making worship of Ravan? Not sure. But, this is for churning and to show the amount of distortion that can happen when value of incorporeal/real God is lost/forgotten.
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# Post No. 57)Buddhism and Jainism became "NON-THEISTIC" religions-

195)It is definitly SOME loss for a religion when it becomes nontheistic. Because touch/belief of God is lost by DEFAULT itself.

196)Buddha was against ANIMAL SACRIFICES and RITUALS.

In Gita, rituals are mentioned/suggested, (but never said as primary or compulsory- verses will be given later), and in Veda some sacrifices are mentioned.

[But I am not sure whether animal sacrifices are suggested in Vedas. I am yet to read Vedas.
"SURRENDERRING or SUBMITTING" is also called as sacrifice.
--So, putting flowers, fruits, leaves, etc to God is also known as sacrifice to God.
--So, I am not sure whether in Veda the sacrifice suggested is about animal sacrifice or people interpreted it as animal sacrifice. (But, whatever it is, Hindus might have been doing animal sacrifice at least to some extent. Hence Buddha seeing Hindus sacrificing animals in the name of God and also doing rituals having no morality, might have rejected these).


197)Buddha did not believe in CREATOR GOD (in God as a CREATOR).

--Reason for rejecting existence of "Creator God" is- it becomes non-logical. Because it then implies God is the root cause for all the things.
"Buddha had rejected any notions that are contrary to the path to Nirvana. The notion of eternal creator violates in assuming that there is something eternal in the universe and that he is the root cause of all things. ... Buddha had rejected any notions that are contrary to the path to Nirvana."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_in_Buddhism
197)Buddhism is a philosophy which does not include the belief in a creator deity, or any eternal divine personal being.[1][2][3] It teaches that there are divine beings or gods (see devas and Buddhist deities), heavens and rebirths in its doctrine of saṃsāra (cyclical rebirth), but it considers none of these gods as a creator or as being eternal (they just have very long lives).[4] In Buddhism, the devas are also trapped in the cycle of rebirth and are not necessarily virtuous. Thus while Buddhism includes multiple gods, its main focus is not on them. Peter Harvey calls this "trans-polytheistic".[5]
198) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheistic_religion

199) Buddha was interested (perhaps also unable) to give replies to metaphysical questions. -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_o ... oned_Arrow - "The Buddha always told his disciples not to waste their time and energy in metaphysical speculation. Whenever he was asked a metaphysical question, he remained silent. Instead, he directed his disciples toward practical efforts. Questioned one day about the problem of the infinity of the world, the Buddha said, "Whether the world is finite or infinite, limited or unlimited, the problem of your liberation remains the same." Another time he said, "Suppose a man is struck by a poisoned arrow and the doctor wishes to take out the arrow immediately. Suppose the man does not want the arrow removed until he knows who shot it, his age, his parents, and why he shot it. What would happen? If he were to wait until all these questions have been answered, the man might die first." Life is so short. It must not be spent in endless metaphysical speculation that does not bring us any closer to the truth.[2]"
200)So- level of thinking in Buddhism got limited only to karma/duty and morality, and (limited) meditation, not spirits(soul and Supreme Soul).
Since many Hindus got stuck in rituals, or physical personality Krishna, nature worshipping, etc, Buddha might not have been interested in Gita.
So- due to the adultration in Gita, Buddha too could not accept the highest scripture Gita. [how Gita is the highest scripture will be discussed later].
This is a loss to both Hinduism as well as to Buddhism. Because Hindus fell down, as well as Buddhism also failed to grasp good things said in Gita.

201)Similarly, even Jainism also does not believe in God as Supreme entity.
202)Some details about no importance of God in these religions- - https://qz.com/India/1585631/the-ancien ... -hinduism/ - Atheism in Buddhism, Jainism
While Buddhism is a tradition focused on spiritual liberation, it is not a theistic religion.

The Buddha himself rejected the idea of a creator god, and Buddhist philosophers have even argued that belief in an eternal god is nothing but a distraction for humans seeking enlightenment.

While Buddhism does not argue that gods don’t exist, gods are seen as completely irrelevant to those who strive for enlightenment.

A similar form of functional atheism can also be found in the ancient Asian religion of Jainism, a tradition that emphasises non-violence toward all living beings, non-attachment to worldly possessions, and ascetic practice. While Jains believe in an eternal soul, or jiva, that can be reborn, they do not believe in a divine creator.

According to Jainism, the universe is eternal, and while gods may exist, they too must be reborn, just like humans are. The gods play no role in spiritual liberation and enlightenment; humans must find their own path to enlightenment with the help of wise human teachers.
203)Hindusim is highly complex (and also flexible at the same time), has almost everything (theist, atheist, nontheist, monotheism, polytheism, etc) in it. It believes in one incorporeal (personal) God, Brahm element as God, corporeal deities also as God, 10 main plus other incarnations of God, nature also as God, later, human Gurus also as God, etc, etc. Some believe only in morality and karma. Some do not believe even in these. Still Hinduism accepts all.
[So, when a corporeal deity was put in seat of God of Gita, Hinduism became a mixture or confused state. The real hierarchy got lost. Else, it would have been a complete.]

204)So, the summary is- Buddhism and Jainism lost touch of God. They believe- "There is no need of God for liberation. By self effort, morality, wisdom, meditation, etc, one can get liberation".
But, morality, karma theory are given importance in these religions, including wisdom and self effort. These things are to be appreciated.

205)Just an idea about some words- https://www.dictionary.com/e/atheism-agnosticism/

-Theist(Aastik) = One who believes in God or personal God and/or deities.
-Atheist (Naastik) = One who denies/rejects belief on God or deities.
-Non-theist = Neither belives in God and deities, nor denies. God or deities are immateral to them.
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# Post No. 58)Basic definition of DHARMA lost its value.:-
# Post No. 59)Title of "Non-Violence" got shifted from Hindusim to Buddhism and Jainism:-

206) "Ahimsaa Paramodharmaha = Non- violence is the highest religion" - is the basic definition of dharma, and is used as slogan/motto in Hindu scriptures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa
The Epics
The Mahabharata, one of the epics of Hinduism, has multiple mentions of the phrase Ahimsa Paramo Dharma (अहिंसा परमॊ धर्मः), which literally means: non-violence is the highest moral virtue. For example, Mahaprasthanika Parva has the verse:[40]

अहिंसा परमॊ धर्मस तथाहिंसा परॊ दमः।
अहिंसा परमं दानम अहिंसा परमस तपः।
अहिंसा परमॊ यज्ञस तथाहिस्मा परं बलम।
अहिंसा परमं मित्रम अहिंसा परमं सुखम।
अहिंसा परमं सत्यम अहिंसा परमं शरुतम॥

The above passage from Mahabharata emphasises the cardinal importance of Ahimsa in Hinduism, and literally means:

Ahimsa is the highest Dharma, Ahimsa is the highest self-control,
Ahimsa is the greatest gift, Ahimsa is the best practice,
Ahimsa is the highest sacrifice, Ahimsa is the finest strength,
Ahimsa is the greatest friend, Ahimsa is the greatest happiness,
Ahimsa is the highest truth, and Ahimsa is the greatest teaching.[41][42]
207)Non-violence is said in Buddhism and Jainism too. So, these three religions have non-violence as one of their basic principles. But, I do not think, there, it is used as slogan like above. If I am wrong, kindly correct me.

208)Today, DHARMA sometimes used for many things- Religion, duty, morality, spirituality, character, divinity, humanity, peace, non-violence, etc. No one is able to give clear defintions and discriminations between these words. [We will try give later]

209)Call the dharma as religion or sprituality or morality or character or anything (at the "BASIC LEVEL"), NON-VIOLENCE (= harmless, stable, and free from conflicts and influence) is the basic necessity.

To what extent one is useful to the society- may vary from person to a person, but the basic/first necessity is- he/she should be non-violent.
While designing a machine, house, or anything, the first important requirement is - "Any part in the machine should not have any conflict with either itself or any of the other parts". If it has conflicts, even if it gives benefit, it will not be of great use, and perhaps will have only temporary value.

Even while consuming food or medicine, if there are SIDE EFFECTS, such medicines will have only "secondary or temporary" value.

210)When Gita became faulty, Buddhism and Jainism had to preach non-violence once again.
But since Gita is thought to be teaching for motivating violence(physical war), this slogan was as if hijacked by Buddhism or Jainism. [Non violence is said in all the three religions- Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism].
Today, if asked - which religion preaches non-violence? The first answer is not Hinduism (eventhough it is the most ancient religion). It is Jainsim or Buddhism.
But, practically, if we see- India/Hindus are lesser violent than Buddhist dominated countries too. Buddha might had been non-violent, but Buddhists could not follow it.
--If we the history, the Buddhist dominated countries themselves had become great rivals of one another-eg - Japan and China.
--Also today, if we see food habits in China (a Buddhist dominated country), they eat frogs, lizards, snakes, dogs, almost every meat. They even have laboratories to create deadly virus.
So, when comparision is done between Hindu dominated country and Buddhist dominated countries, I think still Hinduism stands better for the title non-violence. (Anyone can correct me if I am wrong).
[Small populated or weak countries are not considered here, since their role does not matter on the world much].
So-, the point is - due to false Gita, even though it is practically, Hinduism itself is most non-violent, it lost that title. Due to this, the whole world is confused about true meaning of dharma or non-violence


211)For the time being, we will not talk much about Jainsim since they constitute only for a small fraction in the world population. The four major(most populated) religions in the world are-
--Christianity,
--Islam,
--Hinduism (sanaatan dharma), and
--Buddhism.
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# Post No. 60)When Gita became lie/false/weak, the rest too started to become lie/false/weak:-

221)Due to false Gita, when Hindus started worshipping many Gods, doing many rituals, other religions might not have been able to cope up with it. Hence they started to compete, suppress, criticize, defame or destroy Hindusim by different ways.

Historically as well as philosophically, many lies might had got introduced in the society. We will discuss some of them.

# Post No. 61)Ayran Invasion Myth got introduced into the mainstream media and school curriculum by British people:-

222)India was golden bird, full of rich and culture. God had given India everything (except those which create pollution, eg- Petrolium). Foreign countries had become jealous of India. For example, British people had to use the technique- "divide and rule" to conquer and rule India. They cheated, broke their own promises, amd committed lot of attrocities in India. They changed Indian eductaion system so that their foundation is lost.

223)They also might had realized that one or other day, people will criticize for their attrocities done in India. So, to justify their attrocities on India, they introduced one of the greatest myths "Aryan Invasion/Migration Theory(AIT or AMT)" in the school curriculum of India.
Many people in India still believe it is still being taught in many Indian schools.

--According to this account/theory, "India was invaded and conquered by nomadic light-skinned Indo-European tribes from Central Asia around 1500-1000 BC, who overthrew an earlier and more advanced dark-skinned Dravidian civilization from which they took most of what later became Hindu culture. This so-called pre-Aryan civilization is said to be evidenced by the large urban ruins of what has been called the "Indus Valley culture" (as most of its initial sites were on the Indus river). The war between the powers of light and darkness, a prevalent idea in ancient Aryan Vedic scriptures, was thus interpreted to refer to this war between light- and dark-skinned peoples. The Aryan invasion theory thus turned the "Vedas", the original scriptures of ancient India and the Indo-Aryans, into little more than primitive poems of uncivilized plunderers".


224)From this theory, British people can say- We have looted and committed attrocities mainly on plunderers only.
--They also attempted to divide North and South India.

---So, in one stone, they hit two birds.


225)Still debate on this theory is going on this myth.

https://www.amrita.edu/news/myth-aryan-invasion

https://www.newindianexpress.com/magazi ... 32707.html

https://theprint.in/pageturner/excerpt/ ... of/324223/

https://scroll.in/article/936872/two-ne ... e-opposite

226)Truth is simple. Throughout in India, whether in north or south, it is same Shiv, same sri Krishna, RamSita, Lakshmi Narayan are worshipped. The same scriptures Ramayan, Mahabharath, Gita are being used whether by North Indian Hindus or South Indian Hindus.
So- to say North Indian Hindus were from different race than south Indians, etc. has no logic.



227)Due to false Gita, Vedas got higher importance than meditation/remembrance of God in Hinduism. Hence in Hindu temples, today, we can see chanting mantras, lighting, etc. can be seen more than meditation.

228)Vedas are more popular in North India than South India. This too might have helped British people to push forward the myth of AIT.
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# Post No. 62)History too started to become false:-
# Post No. 63)India became secular country after independence, so the titles DHARMA, BHARATH, etc got lost/degraded:-

230) Let us take history of King Ashok, (since his emblem and pillar are used in Indian flag and coat of arms).
According to school book curriculum in India (till date) - "After the Kalinga war (which was during his 8th year of ruling), King Ashok repented for the violence when he saw more than one lakh soldiers' dead bodies, and then adopted Buddhism and thereafter became a peaceful King and ruled for next three decades peacefully".

231)But, some sources say- King Ashok had got converted into Buddhism at least two years before Kalinga war. They also say-
-- Ashok did not release the 150,000 war prisoners he had taken.
---Ashok had killed many people who criticized Buddhism, especially, Jain and Ajivika sects.
---No Buddhist texts say Kalinga war motivated Ashok for the conversion.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/this-exc ... qUK5J.html

https://swarajyamag.com/culture/ashoka-the-not-so-great
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoka

232)So, after Independence of India in 1947, some Indian politicians needed some model to suit their socialist logic. So, there is a possibility that they projected King Ashok as had converted to Buddhism after Kalinga war and wrote that he had been a peaceful King thereafter.
In this way, Buddhist symbols got introduced into the Indian national flag and coat of arms.
[Or, if Ashok had really become peaceful after Kalinga war due to Buddhism- this also could be the reason].

233)Three main criticisms/drawbacks of Gita are - Violent, Varna system and Rituals.

Just imagine- When Hindu gods are shown as violent throughout Hindu scriptures, how can any politician select them as symbol for flag or coat of arms of a secular country. So, some politicians might had thought restricting Hinduism would be better and declared India as a "secular country".

234)So, the effect is- India, being the country that has highest value of dharma did not get that title, but many other countries declared their country as religious (even though their religious values are not non-violence).

235)So, we do not know whether King Ashok had been really peaceful after Kalinga war.
But, altering history of Ashok is an easy work for some politically biased historians (whereas correcting the scriptures is not possible for them. That is only God's work and HE is doing it in Confluence Age).
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# Post No. 64)When Hinduism/Gita becomes false, other scriptures/religions too become false:-

236)Hence we can see great downfall of India as well as the whole world, one of the causes(or first cause) being false Hindu scriptures.

237))The country which has highest spiritual value, a religion/Hinduism which has given shelter to all other religions, but, failed to put greatest/its symbols on its flag and coat of arms. Is this not an irony?
----Other religions got special rights than Hindusim in Indian Constitution.
---Even some Hindu politicians criticize Gita due to the drawbacks/adultration in it.

238)So- Hindu/Sanaatan religion gave its seat to Buddhism symbols in the national flag.
Philosophically, we can say- this is almost like becoming a spiritual prostitute.
In its own home/country/flag, its seat is taken by a different religion.
It is as good as a wife's seat is taken by another woman, is it not?

239)But, kindly also note that even before foreign invaders came to India, Indians Kings did not have common flag. Do not you think one of the causes is ignorace of incorporeal God?

240)Even in Mahabharat scripture, no common flag is shown. For example, Arjun's Chariot had Hanuman in the flag seat.
Each and every warrior had different flag. Of course, it is necessary to give unique flag to identify a warrior. That is OK. But, in addition, if God's symbol too would have been there, it would have been righteous one, is it not? Most probably, in that case, there would be no fight at all, because all would have got inspired by the common symbol.
So, we can see the degraded situation due to omission of incorporeal God.

241)Any other religion is like spiritual prostitute by birth(default) itself. Because they took birth(got created) through other religions only. "RELIGIOUS CONVERSION" is one of their main agenda.

242)We can discuss this from another (internal or individual) view. It clearly shows level of all other religions is lower by default itself.
---For example, take Buddhism and Jainsim. They are like non-theist religions by default itself, since they themselves give no importance to God. So, they have no feeling or connection to real spiritual husband/God.

---Take Islam and Christianity. Both the religions believe- Any person following other than their religion will go to eternal hell, however good he/she may be!
So, it is as good as they consider other religion followers as prostitues only, is it not. So, humanity, divinity, purity, character, etc. have no full/real value there.
---FAITH and DISCIPLINE(similar to like some set of commandments) only have value there. Karma theory too has no value there.
---The Abrahamic Religions (Christianity, Islam and Jewism)- eventhough believe in one incorporeal God, heavily fight with each other. So, it shows that- they are not really attached to one incorporeal God. They are more attached to their prophets than God. Else even though all of them believe in one incorporeal God, why do they fight so rigourously with each other?

243)Even though there are many Gods in Hinduism, inner and external conflicts are comparitively lesser. Hinduism usually never first attacked other religions. Also- conflicts within its own different sects and castes are lesser when compared with other religions.
In Christianity, lots of religious wars had happened between Catholic and Protestants. Similarly, between Shia and Sunni and other sects in Islam.
Christian dominated countries fight among themselves too and have been cause for world wars.Eg- Europe, Russia and America.
Similarly, lots of conflicts happen within the islamic countries as well. Today islamic terrorism has became a global problem.

244)Summarizing, False Gita became one of the causes for the caste/varna discrimination.
[Initially, the varna system had been flexible to a considerable extent. One could move from one varna to other. But, British people made it rigid by law by fixing it once for all. So, blame is not just on one side. So, the Foreign invaders also distorted History of India and education system. They burned Indian libraries in Nalanda and many places.
Even after Independence too, many Indian politicians also are doing the same by following wrog history. They put blind eye when false history is introduced in school curriculum. ].
Similarly, lots of caste/sects are there in Islam and Chrisianity too. One sect does not develop relation(eg- marriage, social status, etc.) with the other.
https://booksandideas.net/Muslim-Castes-in-India.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_sys ... Christians
https://www.history.com/topics/religion ... ristianity

Arab Muslims consider Asian Muslims as low grade only.

So, all the religions have become like prostitues only. Eventhough they say their faith is in one incorporeal God, they fail to practice harmony/peace practically.

245)The main reason for these is their "wrong competition".
Hinduism is the most ancient religion. Other religions took birth only from its ancestor religion. Other religions have no foundation of their own. So, to increase their number, they made religious conversion as one of their main agenda. So, whether a person really believes in their religion became secondary.
For example, many Islamic and Christian invaders did religion conversion by force, temptation of money, etc.

[So, how such converted people would be? Some of them would be like half baked only. ]

Due to the desire/need of wrong competition, the followers who wrote their religious scriptures later might have purposefully wrote/justified violent activities in the name of religion for its promotion. This in turn spoiled their own scriptures and have made their scripture violent, instead of following non-violence.

For example, Jesus said "love your neighbour like you love yourself". He might not have said do religious conversion. I do not think he even might had said- "If one does not believe in him/Christianity, he will go to Hell".
But, those who wrote Bible (Bible had been written 2 to 3 centuries after Christ, and by many writers, so obviously there will be errors), are likely to commit lots of errors and justified violence in the name of God/religion.
Practically too, we can see the highly contradictory teachings in their scriptures. At another place it says- love your neighbour, at another place it says- commit violence in the name of religion. [Just like said it is said in false Gita].

246)Due to this wrong competition, they could not believe in KARMA PHILOSOPHY. [Buddhism and Jainsim at least believe in karma theory, if not in God, hence at least better].

---Because if karma philosophy is believed, they cannot tempt their followers for crusade or jihad or forcible conversion, conversion by temptation, money etc are not easily possible.
---Now, they had to deny "REBIRTH in this world", else they will have to believe in karma philosophy (because rebirth has relation with karma), and again religious conversion job is not easy.
---Hence they also had to bring a concept of "ETERNAL HELL and HEAVEN". Else, again fast/forcible conversion job would not be easy.
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# Post No. 65)Continuation:-

247))Hindusim is still a main target for other religions. They still try to convert Hindus by many ways.
In many cases, these conversion agents are interested only in conversion, not real well-being of the converted people for the future. They use the converted people only like prostitutes.

They do not give full respect to the converted people. For example, western or islamic countries who criticize caste discrimination in Hinduism, do not give visa to poor converted people in India.

America puts on heavy restrictions now and then to give visa for other countries.

248)Today, a considerable portion of upper/rich class Hindus/Indians also have become like prostitutes. They leave their own country and wish to take jobs in western or arab countries, and boast about it!
Many Indians who reside in India have lost the self respect and feel inferior to these prostitutes. They have the feeling that prostitute life (life at another country than India) is better.

249)Arab countries have become rich only later after invention of oil. But, they did not invent it. They needed western scientists and engineers for it. Even today, they need support of technology from other countries to maintain it.

Arab countries do not give citizenship to Asian or other Muslims. Even though they speak about "Muslim Brotherhood", there is highest conflicts among their sects.

250)America may boast of super power. But, it is not happy within itself. It continuously tries to interfere in politics of other countries. Eg- Iraq, Libya, etc.
Even today, Americans, Europe need/hire intelligent graduates from Asia to always remain in top.

251)British empire may boast of its past supremacy. But, it too had not win all by its own power. It needed soldiers from other countries. They could rule only by "divide and rule" policy. They took Indians soldiers too for world wars. Even today, they recruit soldiers from Nepal, a Hindu dominated country. So, all are like or had been prostitutes, is it not?

252)Buddhism too also lost its value. Buddhist dominated countries eg- China, Japan, Taiwan, Tibet, Vietnam, North Korea, South Korea have great conflicts within them.
Also- if we see, food habits of Chinese is very bad. They eat even lizards, frog, snakes, etc.
So- to what extent Buddhists practice non-violence today?

Of course, Jainism may practice, hence somewhat better. But their number is very small fraction, hence immaterial to the society. Their non-violence path is very hard and difficult to follow.

253)But, if we see- the two Hindu dominated countries- India and Nepal- there is free entry between the two nations. No need of visa charges for the citizens of these countries to move from one to another.
So- which religion follows brotherhood principle practically- I think it is still Hinduism only.


254)But, due to leftist and communism interfering in Indian politics, India and Nepal are like in the submissive mode only.
Even though the right wing leadership is better than leftist leadership, the right wing also had committed lots of crimes on lower varna/caste people.

255)Leftist and communist people have more double standards, hypocrisy, and have committed more crimes than the right wing people.
When India had been under the rule of right wing, it did not have any loan. After Indian independence, India came down under the leftist rule, gradually, dollar value increased against Indian currency. India had become a poor country. When India had been under right wing rule, it had been a great country.

256)Other religions/countries may criticize "Devdaasi tradition (initially it was just for entertainment, later became like cultured prostitution), and corrupt priests in Hindusim. Definitely this is wrong. But, today Devadasi tradition exists only in small area.
But, British people and Mughals created Red light area in India (Mumba and Delhi respectively). Western countries have red light areas and clubs too. As per Islam, a man can marry more women, even can have sex with slaves.

257)Definitely what todays priests doing is wrong, but when compared to the total corruption of politicians, I think this will be much lesser.

258)No doubt, right wing people also commit mistakes due to these false scriptures. So, I am not justifying the right wing. Now, it needs to be changed. Then only others can realize their faults.

259)A Clarification:- BKism(=PBIVV) started only in 1936/37. They also BKs also depend on converting others into their philosophy. So, is not BKism also like spiritual prostitute type?
Answer:- No. Because BKs believe in "REBIRTH and CYCLE" in this world.
---BKs believe they had been deities(=pure humans, means both body and soul were pure, having absolutely no disease, errors, deficiencies, sweats, vices, etc.) for nearly 21 births in their past births,
---then became humans (= impure humans) for nearly 63 births, and now once again they are putting effort to recharge.
--BKs believe in cycle that repeats "HU BA HU - AS IT IS".
---So- BKism is like repairing/recharging. It is like an institution that is transforming spiritual prostitues/orphans into spiritual brides/children of God.
---Every BK had been a spiritual prostitute (impure) before becoming BK, and even after becoming BK, he is still and effortmaker, not complete.
--Intention here is not to hate any religion. The intention is to make realization.

--BK philosophy neither believes in eternal hell and heaven, nor believes in hell and heaven above or below somewhere.
---It believes in two worlds Corporeal(this one where we exist in corporeal bodies), and Incorporeal World (Land of liberation) where only pure human souls reside.
---Land of liberation is perfectly peaceful, due to soul having no body.
---It believes the present Iron Age is Hell, and Golden Age is heaven. Both hell and heaven are temporary, and form a continuous eternal cycle. There is no more dangerous world than the present one. Hence it never curses anyone.
---It believes in karma theory, one is accountable only to the EXTENT of sin what he has done, whatever may be his faith. BK philosophy belives even if one does not put any effort in right path, he still attains liberation/peace in the land of liberation at least for the duration of the heaven after taking punishment only to the sins what he/she has done.
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# Post No. 66)Religious versus Modern or Secular or Atheist:-

260)There is wastage and pollution due to religious practices. For example- Pouring milk to God or deity statues, pilgrimage, firecrackers during festival celebrations, animal sacrifices, reserving space for graveyards, etc.

261)Some say instead of pouring milk to the deity statues, it should be given to feed hungry children. It is definitely right. But, govt or modern society does more wastage and pollution due to sports, entertainment theatres, bars, clubs, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, tourism, modern education, birthday celebration, giving gifts, overconsumption of petroleum, many ceromonies (some religious ceremonies too are waste) etc.

---Modern education also has a great percentage of wastage. Do all the educated people get job or do work to their full capacity? Do what all they have studied are really necessary for their work/life?

---Meat consumption is a reason for global warming and also scarcity for food. Can Goverment at aleast restrict or limit usage of meat for the benefit of society?
[Cooking meat needs lot of heat, hence global warming increases. To get meat, extra space of land is necessary for feeding livestock animals].

262)Indian system of Ayurveda is good in many treatments and pollution free with zero or very less side effects. During colonial rule, British people banned it for their profit business.
https://jothivita.com/what-is-ayurveda/history/
Ayurvedic medicine was suppressed in India during British colonial rule. In 1833, the East India Company closed and banned all Ayurvedic colleges. For almost 100 years, Ayurveda was known as “the poor man's medicine”, practiced only in rural areas where “western medicine was too expensive or unavailable”.
I am not saying western/allopathy medicines are useless. But banning Ayurveda was wrong.
Today, some allopathy pharmaceutical companies, hospitals and doctors medicines are robbing people. For a common man, it appears as a corrupt business industry than a service industry.
These even create man made virus/disease, and COVID 19 is an example for it. Some countries use this now for even bilogical war.

So, lot of wastage happens in other activities too. Hence banning some religious practices alone would be difficult.

263)For a spiritual knowledgeful or enlightened soul, any ritual, celebration, ceremony- whether religious or non-religious is not necessary. When a person becomes spiritually lifted, he will make free of himself from all/many of these.

But, for a common man, some rituals may give him satisfaction, relief, courage or temporary will-power due to his inner/religious belief.
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# Post No. 67)Title "Father of Nation" lost its value:-

265)M. K Gandhi has been given the title "Father of nation" of India/Bharath after independence from British rule in 1947. Practically if we think, it is silly/illogical.
M. K Gandhiji (Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi) has history of only around 80 years. But, India has history of thousands of years. [five thousand years].
How can a person whose history is lesser than 100 years can be considered as Father of a nation that has a great culture and history of thousands of years?

266)Actually, there are two UNLIMITED fathers- One is incorporeal, and the other corporeal. That is- God Father(Incorporeal Supreme Soul Shiv) and Prajapita(first man or Adam).

So- the "corporeal title of Father of nation" should go to the first man (Prajapita Brahma = Prajapita = Brahma= Adam= Aadam= Sri Narayan= Sri Krishna). He has a history of 5000 years.
But, when God of Gita is shown as motivating for physical war, and slightly motivates caste system, rituals, etc. too, how can modern people accept Sri Krishna as Father of nation of India?
So- due to false Gita, an ordinary man (M K gandhi is definitely an ordinary man when compared to Sri Narayan) got placed in one of the highest seat.
[267)But, when compared to other Iron Aged people, M K Gandhiji is a VIP. Hence there is no wrong in getting this title for a SMALL period from 1947 till end of Kalpa/time cycle). The main point here is- when seat of God gets polluted, seats of all the rest too get adultrated/corrupted/polluted. This is just for understanding purpose, not to criticize anything/anyone.].

268)When Indians fail, almost all others too fail:-

---When Indians failed/forgot to give the highest seat to (God and) Adam/Prajapita, others too failed. Islamic, Christian dominated countries failed to give the seat/title Father of nation to God/Allah or Adam/Aadam or at least to their respective prophets.
---Even the Buddhist dominated countries failed to give this seat to at least to Buddha.

https://www.bankexamstoday.com/2018/05/ ... tries.html
http://ipci.co.in/study-material/Father ... countries/

269)When Gita fails, other Hindu scriptures too fail:-
In Hinduism, there is great value to "Satya Narayan Kathaa (story/biography of Saty/True Narayan)", and "Amar katha (Story of Immortality)".

But, today, no Hindu knows their real significance. These two stories/knowledge are directly connected(part of) Gita/spirituality.
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[270)Short explaination-
---Satya Narayan Katha = It refers to the complete/84 births of soul of Sri Narayan from birth of Narayan at the Golden Age to Prajapita Brahma at the end of Iron Age.

Amar Katha = Story of Immortality (Knowledge of Soul, Supreme Soul, Sweet silence home of all souls, and heaven):- It is said in scriptures that - Shiva told this story to his bride parvati (who is shown as daughter of mountain/mud/earth/stone.

271)Just think- What difficulty/degradation had come to Parvati that she needed to listen the story of immortality? [Murli point- parvati ki kyaa durgati huyi jo amar kathaa sunaani padee]

Real significance:- We all human souls are like parvatis(spiritual brides) of incorporeal Shiv who gradually get attached to mud/body/nature/earth after many births by the end of Iron Age. Our intellect too become like mud/stone. We also accumulate fear of mortality/death by the end of Iron Age.
So- incorporeal God Shiva incarnates in Prajapita Brahma narrates story of immortality (knowledge of soul, Supreme Soul, Sweet silence home and heaven) to spiritual parvatis to recharge them again, hence this incarnation period is rememberred and celebrated as the most auspicious SHIVARATRI. ]

273)So- we can see - when Gita fails, even other Hindu scriptures too fail. Scriptures not only become adultrated, and also readrers fail to absorb essence from it. People just get caught in the tree instead of reaching to mango [Just get caught in scriptures, temples, mosques, church, etc. but fail to get/experience mango(Soul, Supreme Soul, etc.) ]
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# Post No. 68)Highest/SPIRITUAL CROWN/POWER lost its value:-(then):-

275)There are two highest/real/alltime powers in the world- RELIGIOUS(Dharm Satta in Hindi) and POLITICAL(Raajy Satta in Hindi) on which the structure of society gets framed. They can be more explained as below.
--- "Religious/Spiritual/Inner/Character/Morality/Divinity/Purity (Foundation)" and
----"Political/External/Physical/Material/Lifestyle (Building)" .

276)Crown is shown to Kings and Saints.
"Golden/physical crown' on the head" (symbol of physical power) is shown to Kings, and "Light crown/shade' beside the head" (symbol of purity, power of character) is shown to saints.

277)But, note that Hindu deities are shown with both the crowns, eg- Sri Krishna, Sri Lakshmi, Sri Narayan, Sri Ram, Sri Sita- are shown with both golden and light ctrowns.

278)Actually, spiritual crown is higher than golden crown. Even Kings of single crown like- Harshavardhan, Martandavarma, etc bow to statues of deities in temples, and also to saints. Even today, some politicians bow to some saints.

Also- the inner crown(character) is fully/highly free from conflcits. Single/golden crowned Kings may fight with each other. But, most of the religious leaders like Ibrahim, Jesus Christ, Buddha, etc who have been shown with single/light crown taught non violence, love, compassion, etc.
[Jesus Christ, etc. did not have both crowns, he had only religious power, not political power, hence eligible for single crown only. Similarly, political Kings have only golden crown, no light crown].

279)But, when the highest crown deity Sri Krishna had been shown as violent (due to false Gita), many people failed to give respect to him, which finally made the inner crown insignificant. From history, we can see many foreign invaders destroyed memorials of such highest double croned peronalities (temples of deities).
They even destroyed temples of Shivling.
Actually, Shivling represents incorporeal God= Allah = Jehova = God.
The invaders even destroyed temples of their own God.

280)Just think- If deities had not been shown indulging in physical war (in the scriptures), would the invaders develop such a hatredness towards Hindu deities and destroyed them?
Also- if importance of incorporeal God had been known, even the Hindu Kings and devotees would not have spent so much time, wealth, and energy in building so many temples and scriptures, epics. Because when incorporeal is realized, each and every incident of the history becomes less important. But, today take any religious scripture or structure, there incorporeal value is not highlighted. All are caught in physical incidents rather than experiencing God/Supreme and Soul/Spirit.

So- without knowledge of incorporeal Supreme Father and Mother(Maat_Pita), people will get divided and wrong competition will develop in society.

# Post No. 69)Unfortunatey IDOL/DEITY worship became a sin for some religions:-

281)So, false Gita made(showed) the highest number one double crowned deity Sri Krishna as violent, and many failed to give respect from heart. So- other religions like Islam and Christianity oppose idol/deity worship.

Is deity worship wrong?
Ans:- In one way it is definitely wrong. That is worshipping(respecting) any human deity(say a Chief Minister) in the place of God(say Prime Minister) is wrong.

But, worshipping a deity(Chief Minister) as a deity(Chief Minister) is OK. This discrimination/knowledge of the hierarchy is necesary. Else it would become a mixture and confusion.

So, deities should be worshipped as deities, not God.

282)But, those who oppose idol worship fell down even more. Because they (inadvertently) ended up in worshipping/respecting corpses, and believe the same corpses will rise up and hence preserve even dead bodies!

They even denied rebirths in this world, and this (inadvertently) led to give more importance to body than soul.
They not only deny rebirths in this world, but also believe the same dead bodies will rise up one day!
Due to earthquakaes, atom bombs, etc, a dead body would have got broken into pieces and dust. So- what logic is there in saying preserving a dead body is necessary?

283)Preserving dead bodies on the basis of religious faith is as good as idol worship only (at least at a lower level), is it not?So, unknowingly those who oppose idol worship practice it even more and/or worse manner. Also Lots of land become left unused or waste.
In India itself, millions of people can be fed if the land/space reserved for graveyard is used for ariculture. Also- now these graveyards are also running out of space.

https://scroll.in/article/974640/Delhi- ... g-it-worse
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 351096.cms

Many times- Opposing/hating wrong without right knowledge makes us even fall deeper.

https://newint.org/features/1986/01/05/idol
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-idol-worsh ... -and-Islam

284)Some religions believe -to consider human in place of God is the greatest sin and cannot be forgiven. Hence they take law into their hands and claim killing such people is will of God or a great/good deed.

So- we can see when a human is placed in seat of God, how much conflcits arise in the society.

285)When the signifcance of spirtual crown got lost, even the golden crown value got lost, and today there is no King at all. It is democracy, bureaucracy, and the world is in state of wandering, exploitation of poor countries by rich countries, and wrong competition, world war, cold war, trade war, etc.

286)Just think- if in Gita, deities had not been shown as violent, the Hindu Kings would not have fought with each other or at least reduce the fights, is it not?
When Gita is shown as a scripture for motivation for physical war, other religions too certified physical war like Jihad, Crusades, etc and we can see people fighting in their own religions - like Shia, Sunni, etc, Catholic- Protestants, etc.

So- there is no happiness even for golden crown Kings as time passed. They had been under full of conflicts and always had to be worried or precaution about various threats from others.

287)So, the point is- there is no proper guide/scripture today for the world.
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# Post No. 70) The highest varna "BRAAHMIN" too lost its value:-

288) Of the five varnas, "Brahmin, Deity/Devtaa, Warrior/Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudra"- Braahmin and deitism are the highest varnas. [There is also a saying- "braahmano-devataaya namaha = respect/salute to brahmins and deities].

When the highest varna(DEITISM) - double crowned kings - lost its value, - as already said above, the other highest varna too lost its highest seat.
Today, by many people, - braahmins or braahminism is seen as a cult and hence Hindu scriptures too lost their value.
Main reason is- the ESSENCE got lost and todays/later braahmins got caught in following/celebrating rituals more than the knowledge/spitituality.
Rituals have also become a money making process for many temple priests.

289) The point is- when the authorized braahmins or religious leaders like Gurus got more bothered about rituals than knowledge, morality, humanity, etc., the society got divided. The lower varna people gradually, became poor, weak, or frustrated and easily became a target for other religions to convert them
[Following procedure of religion demands more wealth, hence lower varna people got neglected by the higher varna and rich people. Due to continuous need for wealth for rituals, some higher varna people might have got more greedy and anxious of wealth. So, poor people might have got neglected gradually]

290)Incorporeal and Corporeal foundations- both got lost.
Incorporeal Foundation is incorporeal Supreme Soul Shiv/Allah/ God/Jehova, etc.
Corporeal Foundation is Prajapita Brahma alias Adam/Aadam, the first man. '

Foundation even to deity Sri Krishna are these two. Even though the soul of Krishna and Brahma are one and the same, the foundations to Krishna is Brahma and Shiva only.
But, when both the foundations are forgotten, the highest authorities - Shiva and Prajapita got lost.
Even Sri Krishna could not get respect from other religions- even though he is the number one human soul!

291) Hindu scriptures clearly say- a person's varna/colour is decided as per his profession/skills/, NOT by birth.
Today, we have class A officers, Class B, Class C, Class D, etc- as per their qualification. Varna system is also much similar to this. In fact, better in many ways.
https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/ques ... -parentage
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-many-Hindu ... that-it-is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_(Hinduism)
https://www.akincana.net/2019/09/29/is- ... -by-birth/

292)Varna is a good word, meaning - COLOUR so closer to QUALITY. But, there is also contribution of invaders like British people who translated it as CASTE, and reshaped the "flexible VARNA system" of India into a "RIGID caste sytem" so that they can handle Indians and also divide and rule them more the way they wish.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-India-48619734
https://theprint.in/pageturner/excerpt/ ... ow/245615/

293)When corruption enters, the system begins to become weak. We can see failures/conflicts of todays system. Similarly, the varna system got weak due to the corruption of higher varna people, and it may not be wrong to say that the first corruption (of the scriptures) is insertion of name deity Krishna in the seat of incropreal God/Shiva.

294)When British people made the system rigid, people in India later got more divided. Today, many Indians too do not know the orginal word - VARNA. They know only the word CASTE.
[I am not saying the system had been fully flexible before arrival of the invaders. But, at least in the book/law, it had been flexible. But, later it became fuly rigid, and still put blame on Hindu scriptures! This is a hypocricsy, is it not?]

But, when compared to the slavery that existed in other religions, this discrmination is much lesser.

295)Even though Gita says/certifies about the four varnas, it never says they are by physical birth. Still people criticize Gita for it.

296)BK belief is - God creates only one religion- mouth born braahmins who will become deities in their next birth in the next Kalpa (time cycle). Half/failed braahmins will become warriors.
Even the first class brahmins in their next/births will gradually degrade and pass through sato/high, rajo/middle, and tamo/low stages- and finally become shudras at the end of Iron Age.
[In Golden Age- all are like deities(full pure),
In Silver Age- all are warriors(semi pure)
In Copper Age, all are vaishyas (semi impure)
In Iron Age, all are shudras (full impure).

At the end period of Iron Age, God incarnates/enters in a human being to give knowledge, hence names the Chariot/body in whom HE enters as Prajapita Brahma, and creates TRUE braahmins by knowledge that HE speaks through mouth of the Chariot. Hence it is said in scriptures - Braahmins were created through mouth of Brahma.
Hence/since Sri Krishna - the number one deity is called/known as "SHYAAM_SUNDAR = BLACK/BLUE_BEAUTIFUL/HANDSOME.
Means the soul of Krishna who had been handsome/pure during when he had the body of Krishna would become BLACK/IMPURE at the end of the Iron Age and hence will be known as Brahma in his last/84th birth.

God comes only in impure world (since he is known as Patit_pavan = Purifier, so has to enter an impure body(since all would be impure in Iron Age) and once again teaches Raja Yoga (highest effort/relation) once again to make Brahma (and also braahmins) pure/sundar/deities.

This is the essence of God and his most auspicious work. ]
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# Post No. 71)Bhagavad_Gita the highest scripture- Father and mother of all the scriptures:-

300)Perhaps, Gita is the only scripture that teaches real divinity/character, - "To become free from all vices- lust, anger, greed, attachment,ego, jealous, etc. Its teachings aim to become more pure even than a child". [No scripture in the world teaches such a high aim. Hence it can be said as mother of all the scriptures.].
Few examples are given below.

---16 - 21 = Chapter 16 verse 21 -

"tri-vidham ... = There are three gates leading to this hell-lust, anger, and greed. Every sane man should give these up, for they lead to the degradation of the soul."

https://asitis.com/16
https://asitis.com/16/21.html

-- 16-22 - "The man who has escaped these three gates of hell, O son of Kunti, performs acts conducive to self-realization and thus gradually attains the supreme destination."

---16-1 to 3:- "The Blessed Lord said: Fearlessness, purification of one's existence, cultivation of spiritual knowledge, charity, self-control, performance of sacrifice, study of the Vedas, austerity and simplicity; nonviolence, truthfulness, freedom from anger; renunciation, tranquility, aversion to faultfinding, compassion and freedom from covetousness; gentleness, modesty and steady determination; vigor, forgiveness, fortitude, cleanliness, freedom from envy and the passion for honor-these transcendental qualities, O son of Bharata, belong to Godly men endowed with divine nature."


301) https://asitis.com/14

14- 22 to 25

"The Blessed Lord said: He who does not hate illumination, attachment and delusion when they are present, nor longs for them when they disappear; who is seated like one unconcerned, being situated beyond these material reactions of the modes of nature, who remains firm, knowing that the modes alone are active; who regards alike pleasure and pain, and looks on a clod, a stone and a piece of gold with an equal eye; who is wise and holds praise and blame to be the same; who is unchanged in honor and dishonor, who treats friend and foe alike, who has abandoned all fruitive undertakings-such a man is said to have transcended the modes of nature."

302) https://asitis.com/13

13 - 8 to 12

"Humility, pridelessness, nonviolence, tolerance, simplicity, approaching a bona fide spiritual master, cleanliness, steadiness and self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification, absence of false ego, the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and disease; nonattachment to children, wife, home and the rest, and evenmindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me, resorting to solitary places, detachment from the general mass of people; accepting the importance of self-realization, and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth-all these I thus declare to be knowledge, and what is contrary to these is ignorance."

303) https://asitis.com/17
Chapter 17 also says about purity in food, thought, and actions.

306) https://asitis.com/3

Chapter 3, Verse 30
Therefore, O Arjuna, surrendering all your works unto Me, with mind intent on Me, and without desire for gain and free from egoism and lethargy, fight.

Chapter 3, Verse 31
One who executes his duties according to My injunctions and who follows this teaching faithfully, without envy, becomes free from the bondage of fruitive actions.

Chapter 3, Verse 36
Arjuna said: O descendant of Vrsni, by what is one impelled to sinful acts, even unwillingly, as if engaged by force?

Chapter 3, Verse 37
The Blessed Lord said: It is lust only, Arjuna, which is born of contact with the material modes of passion and later transformed into wrath, and which is the all-devouring, sinful enemy of this world.

Chapter 3, Verse 38
As fire is covered by smoke, as a mirror is covered by dust, or as the embryo is covered by the womb, similarly, the living entity is covered by different degrees of this lust.

Chapter 3, Verse 39
Thus, a man's pure consciousness is covered by his eternal enemy in the form of lust, which is never satisfied and which burns like fire.

Chapter 3, Verse 40
The senses, the mind and the intelligence are the sitting places of this lust, which veils the real knowledge of the living entity and bewilders him.

Chapter 3, Verse 41
Therefore, O Arjuna, best of the Bharatas, in the very beginning curb this great symbol of sin [lust] by regulating the senses, and slay this destroyer of knowledge and self-realization.

Chapter 3, Verse 42
The working senses are superior to dull matter; mind is higher than the senses; intelligence is still higher than the mind; and he [the soul] is even higher than the intelligence.

Chapter 3, Verse 43
Thus knowing oneself to be transcendental to material senses, mind and intelligence, one should control the lower self by the higher self and thus—by spiritual strength—conquer this insatiable enemy known as lust.

304)https://asitis.com/5

Chapter 5, Verse 8, 9
A person in the divine consciousness, although engaged in seeing, hearing, touching, smelling, eating, moving about, sleeping, and breathing, always knows within himself that he actually does nothing at all. Because while speaking, evacuating, receiving, opening or closing his eyes, he always knows that only the material senses are engaged with their objects and that he is aloof from them.

Chapter 5, Verse 18
The humble sage, by virtue of true knowledge, sees with equal vision a learned and gentle brahmana, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste] .


More than 50% of the verses in chapter 05 are worth reading which explain the highest internal state of a yogi.

305) https://asitis.com/6

Chapter 6, Verse 2
What is called renunciation is the same as Yoga, or linking oneself with the Supreme, for no one can become a yogi unless he renounces the desire for sense gratification.

Chapter 6, Verse 5
A man must elevate himself by his own mind, not degrade himself. The mind is the friend of the conditioned soul, and his enemy as well.

Chapter 6, Verse 6
For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends; but for one who has failed to do so, his very mind will be the greatest enemy.


Around 50% slokas in this chapter too are also worth reading.
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307) Now, to the discussion. Let us take from different points of views. Say- Character, Religion, Knowledge, etc.

308)Take CHARACTER point of view-

From the "CHARACTER point of view = free from vices, self control and free from desire for fruit" -it is clear that Gita is the the highest scripture.

309)Take DHARMA/RELIGION point of view:-

[Dharma has different levels of meaning. CHARACTER/DIVINITY is the highest one already discussed.
The next level meaning of dharma is the physical level - which are more bothered about set of disciplines/commandments, rituals, worshipping, etc- Hence this level of dharma has divided people into Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, etc. ]

But, in whole of Gita, there is not a single word which says - Hindu, Muslim, Christian, etc. This implies Gita is the most elevated scripture and unbiased. (an exception is the VARNA system- but still it had been flexible - and one used to get what he sows . As you so, shall you reap. According to one's individual qualification, his varna used to be. But, later, it got rigid as already said. A little bit more on the varna system will be discuused later).

For example, in Islam and Christianity, " Any non believer who has reached age of puberty/maturity and have received messsage of their religion- however good, peacfeful, clean, non-violent, simple a person may be- his fate will be eternal hell only after death- if he/she does not believe/follow in their prophet and commandments. "
[If he had not reached the age of puberty/maturity and have not received the message of their religion, then only he has options to enter into paradise (and hence get freedom from the hell. ]- anybody can correct me if I am wrong.

So- in these religions, character has lesser value, discipline (commandments) has more value. Logic has lesser value, faith has more value.

So- even DHARMA point of view - it is only Gita that is most neutral/unbiased. Gita says- to surrender to incorporeal God, sacrifice all the vices, and do your duties with honest and calmness/easiness, as a karmayogi.

Take Buddhism- The three basic principles to be followed there are - "BUDDHAM sharanam gachchaami, DHAMMAM saharanam gachchaami, SANGHAM sharanam gachcaami = I take shelter in Buddha, in DHAMMA/DHARMA, and in SANGHA (the family/gathering of Buddhist saints/followers)" . No name of God here. So directly or indirectly, Buddha is kept at a higher place than both God, is it not?Also, in the slogan, Buddha is placed slightly above Dharma (first comes Buddha, then Dharma, then Sangha).

But, in Buddhism, DHARMA stands for morality. That is to be appreciated. But, since there is no touch of God, even the Buddhists too could not catch the real dharma (nonviolence/divinity/character), and hence we can see the Buddhist dominated countries committing more violence compared to Hinduism as already said earlier.

310) Take KNOWLEDGE point of view:-

Even from "KNOWLEDGE point of view" - perhaps, Gita only will stand at highest place among all the scriptures. [But, that is debatable, since it demands different proofs.] That will be discussed later- in a/the post - "ESSENCE in Gita".
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Post No. 72)Few additonal points saying- King Ashok embraced Buddhism four years before the Kalinga war:-

311)
https://www.freepressjournal.in/India/d ... tory-books
Emperor Ashoka of the Maurya Dynasty (304 - 232 BCE) is considered one of India's greatest emperors. It is believed that the Mauryan Empire during his reign stretched from modern-day Iran through almost the entirety of the Indian subcontinent. Ashoka is also credited to be the propagator of Buddhism - now the world's fourth-largest religion.

From time immemorial, our history books have been teaching us a 'lie' about the great emperor. We have always learnt that Ashoka renounced war and embraced Buddhism after the Kalinga War. However, it may not be true.

According to many texts, Ashoka invaded Kalinga in 260 BCE and slaughtered 100,000 inhabitants, deported 150,000 more, and left thousands of others to die of disease and famine. Afterwards, it is said, Ashoka walked across the battlefield and experienced a change of heart as he was looking upon the many lives he took.

Ashoka then gave up war and embraced Buddhism. He then embarked on a path of peace and ruled with justice and mercy. He gave up hunting and even slaughtering of animals for feasts. He started going on pilgrimage and became a vegetarian. "He made himself available to his subjects at all times, addressed what they considered wrongs, and upheld the laws which benefited all, not only the upper class and wealthy," reads an article. His earlier image as a cruel and ruthless king who found pleasure in personally torturing those who were sentenced to prison, vanished after embracing Buddhism.

However, author Sanjeev Sanyal's 2016's book 'The Ocean of Churn: How the Indian Ocean Shaped Human History' tells a different story. Sanyal claimed that during his research he found out that Ashoka was a Buddhist even before he invaded Kalinga.

"None of the Buddhist texts link Ashoka's transformation to any event in Kalinga. It is also fascinating to note none of the Ashokan inscriptions in Odisha mention any regret the emperor may have. If his regret over the tragedy of Kalinga War led to his conversion at least one place should have mentioned the expression of his emotions. In fact, the inscription where he supposedly expressed his regret is in modern-day Pakistan. Even in those inscriptions he never offered to release those prisoners. Instead, he warned the tribes of the region of dire consequences if they tried to resist his invasion," said Sanyal.

"Therefore, the idea of his turning into a pacifist is a pretence. His expressions of noble sentiments are few but there is no evidence to suggest that he believed in them. Even in his own texts, he seems to be prevaricating and is non-apologetic to the people of Odisha for what he did," Sanyal added.

Now, Twitter users are starting to question the history books after a Twitter user (@TIinExile) pointed out this 'lie' which people have been fed for years.

"When Ashoka became Buddhist: 4th year of his rule. When he invaded Kalinga: 8th year. Ashoka was a Buddhist when he waged Kalinga war. After war, he killed 18,000 Non-Buddhists who allegedly "insulted Buddhism". Whom do they finally blame? Yes, Hindus and Hinduism."

"Yes, the great Buddhist emperor Ashoka killɛd 18,000 Ajivikas & Jains because a Nirgrantha Jain of Pundravardhana (Bengal) named Jnatiputra drew a picture of Buddha prostrating at the feet of Mahavira. Worse, this information comes from a Buddhist source," he added.

Yes, the great Buddhist emperor Ashoka killɛd 18,000 Ajivikas & Jains because a Nirgrantha Jain of Pundravardhana (Bengal) named Jnatiputra drew a picture of Buddha prostrating at the feet of Mahavira.

Worse, this information comes from a Buddhist source. pic.twitter.com/rHyenZyhF8

— True Indology (@TIinExile) August 8, 2020
312) When Hindu scriptures and deities have been shown as violent, after Independence, the authrorities might have got confused- which name and symbol should we adopt or the national flag? Islam and Christianity histories are highly violent. So- the authorities might have thought of adopting Buddhist personalities and teachings for this place.

313)So- we can see when the seat of incorporeal God is lost(becomes false), all the scriptures or history become false one by one or get distorted. By placing corporeal Sri Krishna in the seat of incorporeal God, God's practical seat got as if HIJACKED.
Then slowly one by one - many others may be violent people too hijacked (due to distortion of the history) the seat of DHARMA/NON-VIOLENCE.
Or ordinary people got placed in the top seats like Father of nation just said in post No. 67.
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