Dear mbbhat,
Some of your inferences and assumptions are based on impulsive conjectures, in accordance with what you
FEEL to be logical, from your own personal viewpoint, according to your own personal,
PRESENT stage of spiritual evolution - that too, based on information which may have been inappropriately assimilated, on account of various factors beyond your personal control - which may definitely be good for the development of your own personal stage – but which could be a
WASTE of time and energy for others. As such, same may be presented in a separate topic, which is exclusive to yourself, so that only those who are genuinely interested in same may interact with you there, if they so wish. You could open a new topic for yourself, where you may link to the posts in this topic, if required!
You are requested to avoid cluttering other topics with egoistic gibberish, so that we may present a more comprehensive and cohesive picture of events, based on all available information provided by ShivBaba - to which you can readily contribute, from the vast stock of points which you have compiled over the years – with VERY BRIEF and
SENSIBLE comments, where required.
We understand you are an author, and so you would have the capability to work with a great mass of information, and you also appear to have adequate time at your disposal - this strength of yours should be more effectively used in the right direction, in the right way, with greater fortitude and composure, to draw the maximum possible advantage – FREE from any speculative assumptions, which we neither have the time nor the disposition to address, or even consider – since they are a
WASTE of our intellectual prowess, and would ONLY serve to diffuse our spiritual energy, rather than promote same.
Study the following SM points below
CAREFULLY –
SM 20.06.19
तुम जानते हो 5 हजार वर्ष में कितने मास, कितने घण्टे, कितने सेकण्ड होते हैं। कोई हिसाब निकाले तो निकल सकता है। फिर यह जो झाड़ है, उसमें भी यह लिख देंगे कि कल्प में इतने वर्ष इतने मास, इतने दिन, इतने घण्टे, इतने सेकण्ड होते हैं। मनुष्य कहेंगे यह तो बिल्कुल एक्यूरेट बताते हैं। 84 जन्मों का हिसाब बताते हैं। तो कल्प की आयु क्यों नहीं बतायेंगे?
You know how many years, how many months, hours and minutes and seconds there are in 5000 years. If anyone makes an account, it can be done. Then you can write on the picture of the tree that there are so many years, months, days, hours and seconds in a cycle. People will say that what you tell them is absolutely accurate. If Baba tells you about the account of 84 births, why would He not tell you about the duration of the cycle?
Ironically, and FUNNILY, Google translator translates
कोई हिसाब निकाले तो निकल सकता है। as ‘If you can calculate an account, then you can GET OUT’.
Which means one should churn up to a certain LIMIT, to remain within the actual directive of ShivBaba, for the required purpose
ONLY - beyond which Maya takes control of the intellect, where the soul indulges in manmat and parmat WITHOUT realizing same, and one can
GET OUT of the limits of following Shrimat – while the soul continues to believe he is following Shrimat – Maya blows cleverly and sweetly with Shrimat, then CUTS in
MERCILESSLY with manmat and parmat, without realization!
SM 22.06.19
तुम आत्माओं का तो कितना बड़ा अनगिनत झुण्ड है। कभी गिनती नहीं कर सकते। यहाँ मनुष्यों की गिनती नहीं कर सकते। भल आदमशुमारी निकालते हैं। वह भी एक्यूरेट नहीं निकालते हैं। आत्मायें कितनी हैं, वह हिसाब कभी निकाल नहीं सकते। अन्दाज लगाया जाता है कि सतयुग में कितने मनुष्य होंगे क्योंकि सिर्फ भारत ही रह जाता है।
The swarm of you souls is also huge; you cannot count them. They cannot count the number of human beings here, even though they conduct a population census. However, that too is not calculated accurately. You cannot calculate how many souls there are. It can be estimated how many human beings there will be in the Golden Age, because only Bharat remains at that time.
SM 12.07.19
तब बाबा ने कहा था हिसाब निकालो, 5 हज़ार वर्ष में इतने मास, इतने घण्टे .. तो मनुष्य वण्डर खायेंगे। यह हिसाब तो पूरा बताया है। एक्यूरेट हिसाब लिखना चाहिए, इसमें ज़रा भी फ़र्क नहीं पड़ सकता। मिनट बाई मिनट टिक-टिक होती रहती है। सारा रील रिपीट होता, फिरता-फिरता फिर रोल होता जाता है फिर वही रिपीट होगा। यह ह्यूज़ रोल बड़ा वण्डरफुल है।
This is why Baba asked you to calculate: There are so many months, so many hours .. in 5000 years. Then people will be amazed. This clear account has been shown. You should write down the accurate calculation. There cannot be the slightest difference in that. It continues to tick away, minute by minute. The whole reel repeats. As it turns, it continues to roll and it then repeats. This huge roll is very wonderful.
SM 02.07.19
5 हज़ार वर्ष में कितने मिनट, घण्टे, सेकण्ड हैं, एक बच्चे ने सब धर्म वालों का हिसाब निकालकर भेजा था, इसमें भी बुद्धि व्यर्थ की होगी। बाबा तो ऐसे ही समझाते हैं कि दुनिया कैसे चलती है।
A child calculated how many hours, minutes and seconds there are of each religion in the 5000 years and sent this calculation to Baba. He
MUST HAVE WASTED HIS INTELLECT on that. Baba just explains how the world continues.
Beneficial churning is DEFINITELY required, but one has to take GREAT CARE that one does NOT cross the LIMIT, into
WASTE churning – where the control of one’s intellect SHIFTS from Shrimat to manmat & parmat,
WITHOUT realizing what is actually taking place, thus WASTING one’s time and energy, which could be better utilized in fruitful churning, COMBINED with proper remembrance of ShivBaba. Since the soul has ALREADY passed from Kaliyug to Sangamyug to Satyug INNUMERABLE times, the soul retains that record within the sanskars, which will ONLY emerge, naturally and spontaneously, with fruitful churning COMBINED with proper remembrance - but which will be
OBSTRUCTED/RESTRICTED by WASTEFUL churning – and the time and energy spent on same would be better utilized in proper remembrance, which will AUTOMATICALLY foster and promote fruitful churning – the two being COMPLEMENTARY to each other!
Once again,
ATTENTION PLEASE!
Let us therefore proceed SLOWLY, but
EFFECTIVELY – and the best way to do that would be to address ONLY ONE aspect at a time, to its desired conclusion – BEFORE proceeding to the next one. This would make the interaction more readily intellectually digestible to majority of the viewers, who would stand to benefit GREATLY from same. Our purpose should not be, solely, to develop our own churning prowess, or to display our own egoistic expertise, but to also assist in the development of the spiritual prowess of all others concerned.
Rest assured that the various PERTINENT issues raised by you, several of which have
ALREADY accumulated, will be addressed gradually, but one at a time, in accordance with our own availability of time, in due course.
You need not worry about being off-topic, as long as our intention is to ultimately proceed towards the desired goal. In case any posts are required to be moved, we may request SAT at any time; or they would advise us accordingly; or they would do the needful themselves whenever they consider appropriate.
Let us first take up the issue of the ambiguity in the SM revised on 10-5-81, which has been presented by you.
Using the information in the attachment below,
it is possible to locate the exact latest date of the same, from the latest cycle of revisions of SMs, to better comprehend this complex issue (with word files). In case you have any difficulty, if you have the whole SM with you, revised on 10-5-81, or ANY OTHER old Murli of earlier cycles, you may also use the song (where available), and the first line, after ‘Om Shanti’, for locating same with greater ease (for pdf files). The latest revision of this particular SM revised on 10-5-81 earlier, should be available IN, or AROUND, May, 2016.
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We have since located same in Revised SM dated 21.05.2016, attached below -
गर्भ से बच्चा बाहर निकलता है तब से आयु शुरू होती है। श्रीकृष्ण तो पूरे 84 जन्म लेते हैं। गर्भ से बाहर आया, उस दिन से 84 जन्म गिनेंगे। लक्ष्मी-नारायण को तो बड़ा होने में
30-35 (?) वर्ष लगे ना। तो वह
30-35 (?) वर्ष 5 हजार से कम करना पड़े। शिवबाबा का तो गिनती नहीं कर सकते। शिवबाबा कब आये, टाइम दे नहीं सकते। शुरू से साक्षात्कार होते थे।
Someone’s lifespan begins the moment he comes out of the mother’s womb as a baby. Shri Krishna takes the full 84 births. His 84 births are counted from the moment he comes out of the womb. It takes them
30 to 35 (?) years to become Lakshmi and Narayan. Therefore, those
30 to 35 (?) years have to be deducted from 5000 years. You cannot count anything for Shiv Baba. There is no time given for the moment Shiv Baba came. From the beginning there were visions.
Compare above with the earlier Revised version, with which your are still STRUGGLING along -
SM 10-5-81(1):- SriKrishn toh poorey 84 janm lete hain. Garbh se bachchaa jab baahar aayaa, us din se 84 janm ginenge. LN ko toh bada hone may
20-25 varsh lage na. Toh vah
30-35 varsh 5000 varsh may se kum karna padey. Krishn toh garbh se baahar nikley aur poore 84 janm liye. LN ke liye
25-30 varsh kum kahenge. ShivBaba ka toh ginn nahin sakte. ShivBaba kab aaye time de nahin sakte-16-
= SriKrishn takes full 84 births. When the child comes out of the womb, from that instant 84 births are counted. LN take
20-25 years to grow is it not? So that/those
30-35 years should be reduced from 5000 years. (But) Krishn came outside the womb and took full 84 births. It will be said less of
25-30 years to LN. It cannot be counted for ShivBaba. When ShivBaba came, time cannot be given.
This will leave everyone EVEN MORE CONFUSED (and probably
SHOCKED TOO) than ever before, bur
EVERY ASPECT has a PROPER answer.
You may like to draw your own conclusions and revert with your EXPERT comments, after which we can proceed further!