Andrey wrote:Where is the happiness in kicking other peoples’ butts? ...
For instance I’m not allowed to post anywhere except in this part of the forum, nevertheless I did not use any abusive words to anyone in my postings, however this post seem to be entering the matters of nationalism, that is very far from soul consciousness and maybe should be discussed in a very different environment to this one. Here people are all spiritual, isn’t it? I would have to ask the administrator for corresponding actions to be taken. Should this be allowed?
I will answer this.
To be honest, I made a deep and Gyani allegorical statement - true to my own style - about the British "kicking Indian butts". I will answer the linguistic point first, but consider the allegorical statement more interesting. In English, well, American English, to 'kick butt' or 'kick ass' is not bad language and has two meanings; to make great efforts, generally related to a team but mostly to success or victory over another team, or said of someone or some group that they are full of effective drive and energy, e.g. "they really kick ass".
It is not literal. It also widely said of someone that need to be encouraged to make effort, that "someone that needs their ass kicked", which can be done with love. It all depends on the intention with which it is said. Actually butt is more polite that ass.
• The Gyani statement which I raised in this PBK forum is a much more interesting one.- It is said by the PBKs that the Confluence Age is the "shooting period" for the Drama. Yes? That the events of the Confluence Age are reflected in the whole of next Kalpa. Yes? Well, this raises to me an interesting question.
The Murli is full of references to
Mahmud of Ghazni and the Mughal/Muslim invasion of India. Whereas we won't go into the controversial historical discussion of that right now, I understand that the PBKs interpret the Murli
metaphorically and state that Baba here refers not to the outside world but the BK world and that the "Muslims" he refers to are not the worldly Muslims but the metaphorical Muslims within the BKWSU family. Of course, the BKs - of which you are exposing - would consider this to be a great blasphemy.
This interested me greatly. It would make a lot of sense. Taken literally, why would God be a "Hindu Nationalist" as he so appears in the Sakar Murlis? Why would he be obsessed by certain Hindu/Muslim events 1,000 and ignore the rest of the World's far greater tragedies?
You could understand why Dada Lekhraj might say such things as a
Sindhi "
Hindu Nationalist" Bharatwasi surrounded by Muslims in Pakistan. At the time he spoke the Murlis, the Yagya was either under siege and facing courtcases in Karachi [?] or having fled the Sindh due to Partition and so he would have been upset. But if we accept this was God himself saying such things, why would God be neurotic about an ugly son of a slave, Afgani temple raider?
I understand that the PBK view is that he was not, he was talking about a certain sort of BK that have invaded the Yagya, smashed the metaphorical temple of Shiva, killed the true, peaceful Bharatwasis and then robbed all the wealth for themselves.
- With respect to this, I would like to ask what are the features of these individuals and who are the historical events that the PBKs are actually speaking about here? [I read in one Sakar Murli, God speaking about ugly and hunchback children which would seem very politically incorrect, if it was not understood in metaphorical terms.]
• That leads me to my comments on
"The British" - which I am using to mean English speaking BKs whether from Australia, America or the UK.
Historically, there is no doubt that the English - using local Indian sepoys or lackeys - not only kicked India's ass but also
MADE India India. Or Bharat Bharat. Bharat was fractured and regional, torn apart by rival kings and courts, full of tribal disputes etc. In short, as we debated before, there was no such place and India before they conquered. A little cold island 1,000s of miles away
conquered the sub-continent in a way that not even
Alexander,
Ashoka or Mahmud of Ghanzi were ever able to. Using advanced technological abilities, they put in infrastructure, centralized government, brought a uniting language and transformed it. Indeed, many old timer Indians considering the period of British rule to have been the best time.
Just as the Hindus are mostly in debt to the Sikhs for defending Bharat against the Muslim sword, it was the British Empire that finally dissolved the Mughal Empire.
• My next qestion is, if the Drama Cycle is the projection of what was shot during the Confluence Age, what events took place for this to happen?
Personally, I do not speak unintentionally. Generally, what I say is for a reason. What I find offensive is not straight talking Anglo-Saxon language . Words do not kill. But the sweet talking language of lies and deception as used by conquerors once they have taken by force and violence, and then established the comfort of their kingdoms. I am sure that you agree on this. Nothing is more offensive than "cleverness" used in this manner and it is often used to rule other dishonesty.
The rule and rulers of words; " we own the words, we decide what they mean not you ... and we can change them if we want because we are the indisputable kings. And if you don't agree, we will ignore you. And then attack you. " I would be so sorry if you PBKs answer this simple by a short "no proofs" or "Wah, Drama". It would be interesting to ask Virendra Dev Dixit what he thinks on this matter.
There is no doubt that the English speaking BK Brahmin world has made a huge difference to the BKWSU. There was a little fight but the Indians have been moved, taken onboard changes, been modernized and structured, started teaching courses from BK Brian Bacon such as the Self Management Leadership even in Bharat [ ... and of course, the English speaking BK Brahmin world are/were treated like Lords and Ladies by the BKWSU in comparison to the Indians rather than treated like equals. Perhaps we can discuss this last comment in another topic thread ].
