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arjun wrote:Karan Bhai, please don't mix up my words and the words of the BKs. I said that the BKs say that Brahma Baba had an extra ordinary personality.
You also have written as if you also believe the same.
arjun wrote: Baba is telling that I take the basis of an ordinary body. Brahma’s body was very extraordinary, which was envied even by the Iron-Aged Kings. So was only the role of a mother played through Brahma and is the role of a Father being played somewhere else?
Father says that I come in an ordinary body. But Dada Lekhraj Brahma's body was an extraordinary personality. So did Supreme Father Shiv play only the role of mother through Brahma or the role of Father also? If he played the role of Father also then children should also have obtained an inheritance of 100% peace, prosperity and happiness
So, according to you, was B Baba extraordinary or not? If not, what is the purpose of using words of BKs here? If yes, why do you believe Shiv entered in B Baba? (as it goes against Murli point saying- I enter in ordinary Chariot) Is it not that you are mixing the words here?
Roy wrote:Brahma(Baba Krishna) started the work of establishment through Gyan (up until 1968/9); and Shankar(Prajapita-Ram) will finish it." [Mu 09.03.12]
But- the Murli point -At the end of 4th page says-
Brahma dwara sthapan kar rahe hain, Shankr dwara vinash hona hai meaning "Establishment is happening trough Brahma, and destruction will happen through. Shankar.
arjun wrote:The picture of Trimurti prepared during the lifetime of Brahma Baba contains the superimposition of Brahma Baba's face on all the three personalities. That is why Baba says there is no meaning of Trimurti Brahma.
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It is right that Brahma Baba becomes Narayan, but which Narayan? There are nine Narayans. Eight in the Golden Age and one in the Confluence Age, which is the diamond Age. So, according to the level of knowledge in the beginning of the Yagya, they prepared the picture like that. But it was latter clarified in the Murli that this picture is not accurate.
arjun wrote:It is right that Brahma Baba becomes Narayan, but which Narayan? There are nine Narayans. Eight in the Golden Age and one in the Confluence Age, which is the diamond Age. So, according to the level of knowledge in the beginning of the Yagya, they prepared the picture like that.
My point was- Your writings conveyed as if super imposing was totally wrong and useless picture, (probably prepared against srimath). But- from the Murli point, I feel that is not the case.
No Murli point says 'Confluence Aged Narayan'. Even then it has no point here.
But it was latter clarified in the Murli that this picture is not accurate
Not just latter. It is also said in that Murli point also. But- due to the understanding level of new comers, Baba had meant to do the same . And- obviously baba had said Corrections in pictures will continue.
1) AM 21-1-69(Pg 21 and 22 of the Hindi book):- Baaki aaj se sabhee ke liye koun nimitt hain vah toh aap jaanthay hee hain. Didi toh hai, saath may Kumarkaa madadgaar hai. Jaise aur sabhee likhaapadhee chalthee thi, vaise hee head quarter se chalthee rahegee. Yah donon aap sabhee kee dekh-rekh kartee rahengi. Agar avashyakathaa huyi toh aap sabhee ke sevaakendron par chakkar lagaatee rahengi.
= Who would be incharge of all from today? Didi is there, together Kumarka will also there to help. The writings, and teachings from head quarters would continue as before. These two will look after you all. If necessary they will tour to centres of you all.
2)AM 21-1-69(Pg 23 of the Hindi book):- Abhee aur ek baath aap sabkey dhyaan par de rahe hain. BapDada ke last Murli may jo shikshaa milee hai, ki dhyaan, deedaar jyaadaa chalaanaa samay vyrath gavaanaa hai. Isliye yah naheen honaa chaahiye. Aisey na ho sanseshiyon dwara centre par jo part chaley usey aap check na kar paavo. Isliye yah nimitt bane huyee Didi, aur Kumarkaa jis sandeshi ko mukrar karegee, unhon ke dwara direction milenge, is part ke liye bhee yah jisko nimitt banaayengee us dwara hee rahasy spasht honge. Jaise pichaadi ki Murli may yah bhee direction thaa ki Bhog ke samay Vaikunth aadi may jaanaa vyarth samay gavaanaa hai. Kyonki yah ghoomnaa phirnaa ab shobhtaa naheen. Ab toh nirantar Yaad ki yaatra aur jo shikshaa milee hai, usey practical life may dhaaran karne kaa sabooth denaa hai. Agar B Baba ke saatyh sneh hai toh sneh kee nishaanee kyaa hai? Sneh yah naheen ki do aansoo bahaa diye. Parantu sneh usko kahaa jaataa hai- jis cheez se uskaa sneh thaa, us_say aapkaa ho. Uskaa sneh thaa service se. Pichaadi may bhee service kaa sabooth diyaa na. Toh sneh kahaa jaataa hai service se pyaar, uske aagyaavon se pyaar. Isko sneh kahaa jaataa hai.
= Now, attention to one more thing. In the last Murli of Bapadada, it is taught that to have more of trance, vision, etc is to waste time. Hence this should not happen. You should not fail to check parts of sandeshis/messengers in centres. Hence directions will be received only through those whom the incharge Didi and Kumarka(Prakashmani Dadi) fix as messengers. Even for this part, whom are fixed by these (Didi and Dadi), through them only secrets will be clarified. In the last Murli, it was even said that going to heaven while offering of Bhog is waste of time. Because now, these travelling, etc do not look good. Now, you have to give practical proof of dharna of nirantar Yaad (continuous remembrance).........
BapDada says- Secrets would be revealed through those who are appointed by Dadi or Didi only and their directions should be followed (in corporeal). So does not the claim of PBKs saying ShivBaba clarifies through someone in Kampil go against Murlis?
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Sure thing after Brahma Baba has left there has to be some arrangements made for the children. He cannot just leave them alone, so he appoints someone instrument. But in the Murli it is said that it is not that this Baba will leave and you will have to appoint another guru like in the outside world.
There are some secrets revealed in the Avyakt Vani with respect to some corporeal instrument soul that has been instrument in the beginning and now(after BB has left) is instrument in the same way. Hints about Brahma being present even now (after BB has left), hints towards the beginning in Bengal etc. but apart from this very little to no knowledge, explanations or revelation of secrets you can find in the Avyakt Vanis. If there are, please give some examples.
Clarifications are along with the Murli, because it is said that we will receive new points, we will continue to study etc. till the end, we can ask Baba etc, we will eat together, sit together etc, so this has to happen somewhere.
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karan wrote:BapDada says- Secrets would be revealed through those who are appointed by Dadi or Didi only and their directions should be followed (in corporeal). So does not the claim of PBKs saying ShivBaba clarifies through someone in Kampil go against Murlis?
Karan Bhai,
The part played through the sandeshis (messengers) after 1969 is only for those who have not recognized the corporeal part of Shiv revealed through Shankar since 1976. Baba has already said in numerous Murlis that the role played through the sandeshis is a wastage of time. It involves neither knowledge nor remembrance. So, if you think that you will get the directions of ShivBaba or the knowledge related to the beginning, middle and end of the world drama cycle through the trance messages, then you are under the wrong impression. Such knowledge can only be received through the permanent (mukarrar) Chariot of Shiv, i.e. Shankar.
arjun wrote:So, if you think that you will get the directions of ShivBaba or The Knowledge related to the beginning, middle and end of the world drama cycle through the trance messages, then you are under the wrong impression.
I have not said that through trance messages knowledge will be given. Where have I said so?
In the above Avyakt Murli point, Baba has said- "is part ke liye bhee", meaning "even for the part of messenger" the corporeal incharges would be Dadi and Didi. So- my perception is- when BapDada has said- even for this part ... the chance for claiming that knowledge is being revealed at Kampil by AIVV loses most of the value. This was my point. Also note that- BapDada has said the main teaching is already over. - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... &start=160
But you may believe in what you have faith. That is left to you.
sita wrote:But in the Murli it is said that it is not that this Baba will leave and you will have to appoint another guru like in the outside world.
Has BKWSU appointed someone in the place of B Baba and says- the Guru has been changed now? They display photo of B Baba only as Chariot and still photos of B Baba only lies in meditation rooms(Baba's room), is it not?
Clarifications are along with the Murli, because it is said that we will receive new points, we will continue to study etc. till the end, we can ask Baba etc, we will eat together, sit together etc, so this has to happen somewhere.
But- in the Avyakt Murli, Baba has said that now you cannot get teacher very close. Father goes into retirement stage. [Put in the link of previous post]
arjun wrote:In the above discussion Baba has just repeated the sentence of the student. But it is true that there should be a gap of at least a few months (and not nine months, as you have pointed out) between Sevakram's death and Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit's birth. This confusion is created only because Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit was born in early 1942. Had he been born after April, 1942 there would not be this confusion. Baba says in the Murlis that a soul enters into the womb 4-5 months after conception. It is only after the entry of the soul that movement of foetus within the womb starts. BKs like you and mbbhat are only trying to draw undue advantage from this minor mistake.
I will try to get this clarified from Baba to settle this issue once and for all.
Has the query at least reached Virendra Dev Dixit by this time?
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