Supporting Murli points for PBKs(AK)

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AUM SHANTI.

Jagatpita and Jagadamba

"Manmanabhav (merge your thoughts with mine). Become my children. Only Prajapita Brahma & Jagdamba can tell this." (23.3.78, pg.2)

"Here you know that this Jagdamba (world mother) & Jagatpita (world Father) who are instrumental in the task of establishment will only become the sustainers in the world of Vishnu."(8.3.78)

"Those who were in past are praised….The deity who’s called Jagadamba is now sitting in front of you. In the path of worship (Bhaktimarg) the worshippers simply praise. You children have now received knowledge i.e., you have received the introduction (parichay) to Jagadamba. Jagadamba has been given many names. Actually, there’s only one Jagdamba. Call her Kali or Saraswati or Durga. Because of numerous names people are confused. You know that Jagadamba should be one." (15.10.78, pg.1)

"Jagadamba is the mother of everyone. But the whole world cannot recognize. Jagadamba is praised only in India."(9.8.78, pg.1)

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AUM SHANTI.

Temporary Chariot

"Father comes in this Confluence Age and remains in him for 50—60 years and changes him" (26-11-72,pg-3; 29-11-77)

"You hear from the God himself through this lotus-like mouth. This is the mouth which God has taken on loan, which is also called Gaumukh (mouth of cow). This (Brahma) is elder mother, isn’t it?" (28-5-75, pg-1)

ShivBaba is in Practical form

"People of the world think that Father has gone away and Father can meet the children in a strange form as and when he wishes. A curtain (of ignorance) came before the eyes of people of the (Confluence-Aged Brahmin) world. Even otherwise, a meeting of love is considered good within curtains. ..........Father can not get separated from the children. He has promised that we should go together. Do you remember the promise? Whatever has happened in the beginning will take place in the end" (A.V,. 18-1-79)

"42-43 years of corporeal form and 10 years of subtle form make more than 50 years"(A.V. 161-79)


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[Shiv1976]

AUM SHANTI.

Corrupt Gurus

"The bigger the titles (of a preceptor), the bigger the tail of such a monkey" (18-4-71)

"Preceptors have created a mess. After the death of one preceptor (Guru), whoever ascends the throne, is accepted (by the people) as Preceptor. This is only one real Preceptor (Satguru)"(19-9-73, pg-3)

"These Gurus are the biggest enemies. That’s why they are called Hiranyakashyap demon (a demon king who declared himself a God, but was killed by an incarnation of Vishnu). Now Murli is going on (i.e. Flute of knowledge is being played). All the Gurus also must be listening. So they will develop enmity without fail. One day they will also become friends" (6-11-73,pg-4)

"Every Guru before his death appoints his disciple as the next Guru. The Guru died. When he could not grant salvation, then how can his disciple cause any benefit by becoming a Guru? Here Father gives a guarantee. I take everyone along at the end of every Kalpa (cycle of 5000 years)" (11-6-72, pg-3)

"Why do Shankaracharyas etc. (a title given to a set of preceptors) visit the temple of Shiva at Varanasi? When they bow, it shows that they are worshippers, isn’t it? Then why do they make others worship them? This point is worth noting nicely"

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AUM SHANTI.

Form Of Supreme Soul and form of a Soul.

"Children will ask, “Why did you not reveal earlier that the Supreme Soul is like a point?” Father says, “At that time the role of revelation was not there.” One cannot say that why was this not revealed earlier. Arey! Why do you not study for ICS earlier? There are rules for studies also, isn’t it?" (12.6.71, pg.2)


"Day by day you children will get deeper directions also. Did Baba speak about the soul being a point earlier? Now he explains that remember as a point. In future many more new points will be revealed. Day by day there will be improvement" (28.2.69, pg.2)

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AUM SHANTI.

Farrukhabad

"Just as people of Farrukhabad (a district of UP, a north Indian state) say that we remember that Master. Actually Lakshmi - Narayan are the ones who become the Master of the World" [Mu 7-12-73 Pg-2]

"There are children (i.e. sisters) at Farrukhabad, but they l do not possess that might yet. There are the believers of the Master there. You must explain them. You say that He is the Master. But Father says, you are the master." [Mu 22-1-72Pg-3]

"Baba is the unlimited Master of the whole world; Father of all the souls. Father is called the Master. In Farrukhabad, people believe in the master. The master of a house is Father only. Children are called children only. Now when they grow up and produce children, then they become the masters. This is also a secret to be understood" [Mu 2-5-69 Pg 3]

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[Shiv1976]

AUM SHANTI.

Some important points points from 21.1.1969 A.V

"Are all of you sitting in the Avyakt (subtle) form? Whilst in the corporeal form you have to stabilise yourself in the Avyakt stage"

"Even now, the task of establishment is Brahma's not yours. Even now you children will be sustained through Brahma. Brahma's part will continue until the end of establishment. "

"You must be thinking that people will say that your Brahma has gone away in less than a hundred years. This is a very easy question, it is not difficult. His age was nearly a hundred. The fact that a hundred years was mentioned is not wrong. If there are any left he will complete them in the angelic form."

"The time for the end of the children's study has come very close. The signal has been given to you in each Murli since Mama left."

"And all of you know who is the instrument for you all from today. Didi is the main one already, and Kumarka is her helper. All the administration will be carried on from the headquarters as it has been. Both of them will continue to look after all of you. If there is a need, they will continue to tour your centres."

"If you have love for Brahma Baba, what is the sign of that love? To shed two tears is not love. But to have love for the things loved by Brahma can be called love. He had love for service. He gave the proof of service even at the end. And so love (for Brahma) means to have love for service and love for his directions. This is love"

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AUM SHANTI.

Ram and Shiv are different

"Human army was shown to Ravan and monkey army was shown to Ram. Is that means that Ram didn’t find the human army? It is not that in fact at the end of Kaliyug Ravan Rajya spreads the whole world. When the surpreme soul enters into the human body of Ram, the one who plays the hero part and by entering in him, he gathers the army whose intellect was like monkeys other than that he didn’t really took the monkeys as his army. More vices will be there in humans than in monkey’s."[Sakar Murli 1966/05/66-Unofficial Translation]

Shivling is not the form of a Soul. It is the combination of Sakar and Nirakar

"Supreme Soul will never be worshipped nor will become a worshipper. Neither it will become devotion nor become a deity."[Sakar Murli 1966/05/66-Unofficial Translation]

I was listening to a video of BK which was shot during a Q & A session between public ,BK senior Brother(Brij Mohan) and BK Senior Sister(Asha). There was a question on what is Shivling?. The reply given by BK was, Shiv being nirakar, he was given a form of ling. He does not have any sense organ. So was this ling form given to Shiv.

But the above Murli point says Shiv neither become a worshipper nor becomes worshipped. But ling is worshipped everywhere. So telling Shivling is the form of Shiv is disproved with the above Murli point. So next question rises as to what does Shivling really signifies?


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[Shiv1976]

AUM SHANTI.

True Brahma Kumars and Kumaris

"Only they should be called as Brahma kumar & kumari those who stay together and follow purity. They can take this burden. That’s why Baba says the yugal’s will be worshipped more. Why? Because they will stand as an example to the world while staying together they were able to make lakshmi & Narayan mandir and can make others also to put their efforts to become Lakshmi & Narayan and they can also become like Lakshmi & Narayan."[Sakar Murli 1966/05/66 Unofficial Translation]

Question: Who have the right to be called Brahma Kumars and Kumaris? What would their nature be like?
Answer: Those who are sweet and loving, like the Father, who never have a conflict of opinion have the right to be called Brahma Kumars and Kumaris. The nature of a BK should be very, very sweet. There shouldn’t be the slightest bitterness or body consciousness inside. [Sakar Murli 2002/11/25 Revised]

Anger killed Gandhiji

"Who killed Gandhiji? It was anger, was it not? That means Ravan, the ghost, killed him. This is the kingdom of Ravan, the ghost."[Sakar Murli 2002/11/26 Revised]

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AUM SHANTI.

Listen from One Father

"Secondly, when someone has the part of trance sometimes and they say, "Mama came in So-and-so", or "Baba came in So-and-so", that too is Maya. You have to move along very cautiously. You have to understand from the way a person speaks. Some have the evil spirit of Maya in them and then they say: Shiv Baba has come and is speaking the Murli. It is Maya who creates all these obstacles. Many become traitors. Many deceive Baba in this way. You have to protect yourself from all these things. You have to pay full attention to the study. Otherwise Maya will distress you a great deal. Many storms will come."[Sakar Murli 2002/12/01 Revised]

"Baba cautions you: Children, you mustnít listen to gossip from anyone. Listen to only the one Father"[[Sakar Murli 2002/12/01 Revised]

Brahma And Prajapita Brahma
"I have entered Krishna at the end of his 84th birth and named him Brahma. I definitely need Brahma and also Prajapita Brahma whom I can enter and come here."

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AUM SHANTI.

Pitashri

"No one in this world can be called Pita Shri. Shri means elevated, but not a single human being here is elevated. This can only be the praise of One. However, you call this one by that name at this time because he has adopted renunciation in order to become elevated."[Sakar Murli 2002/12/02 Revised]

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[Shiv1976]

AUM SHANTI.

"This is now the Avyakt meeting. It is as though the heart-to-heart conversation with the children continues like it did a Kalpa ago. Sweet Baba has sent me to have a heart-to-heart conversation with you, and to meet all of you children.The one who was here is still here."[23rd January 1969 A.V]

"Sweet Baba has sent me" - Does this mean Dada Lekraj alone came and narrated this Avyakt Vani? So Supreme Soul Shiv is not with him when he narrated Avyakt Vani? I was going through the particular AV and got stuck with this sentence.

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[sita]

Very good point! And also....the one who was here is still here....does it mean that the supreme Father who was here on earth is still here and has not left for Paramdham?

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Aum Shanti Brother Sita,

BKs claim of Supreme Soul Shiv coming from paramdam during Avyakt milan will be questioned with this point.

does it mean that the supreme Father who was here on earth is still here and has not left for Paramdham?

'Yes' should be the answer for the question.
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[Shiv1976]

Aum Shanti.

First memorial

Read these two points carefully
"Whatever tasks you performed at the Confluence Age, all those temples are memorials of that time. Memorials continue to be created from the Copper Age. First of all, the memorial of the Supreme Father, the Supreme Soul, Shiva, who comes and purifies the impure, is created. Praise of the deities is sung."[Sakar Murli 2002/11/28 Revised]

"Supreme Soul will never be worshipped nor will become a worshipper. Neither it will become devotion nor become a deity."[Sakar Murli 1996/01/21 Revised]

Prajapita Brahma
"Where did Brahma come from? Where did he come from even in the Subtle Region? The Supreme Father, the Supreme Soul, adopts Prajapita Brahma. The Supreme Father, the Supreme Soul, first of all creates the Subtle Region. They have shown Brahma there. There is no Father of the People there. Where did Prajapita Brahma come from? No one can understand these things"[Sakar Murli 2002/11/27 Revised]

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AUM Shanti.

In reality Om Radhe Mama is not Jagadamba

"Gyan surya to hai bap|Phir Matha chahiye Gyan Chandrama|Tho jis than main pravesh kiya hai vah ho gayi Chandrama matha aur baki sab hain bacche,lucky sittare|Is hisab se Jagath amba bi lucky sittare ho gaye;Kyonki bacche tehre na|"[Mu-7.1.2003]

"....Jagadamba Saraswati jisko kehte hain vah to Brahma ki betti mukhvanshavali gayi jati hai|Ab Matha unko kahe va inko? Asuli reality main yah Matha hai...."[Mu-18.5.78]

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