Good point, very logical.arjun wrote: It was clarified in one of the recent Discussion CDs that Shiv does not enter in the soul of Ram when he was not aware of the basic knowledge, i.e. from 1942 to 1969 until he entered the path of basic (BK) knowledge.
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In case of the soul of Ram the previous birth is the 84th birth and the present birth is the extraordinary birth. This topic has been discussed in Disc.CD No.284, 514 and 537 posted on this forum in the PBKs Section.shivachild wrote:Please also tell us whether Veerendra Dev Dixit is Ram's 84th birth?
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Disc.CD No.284, dated 30.03.07 at Annanur
Time: 25.22
Someone asked: Baba, sometimes it is said in Murlis that - This is your extraordinary birth and sometimes it is said that this is the first among the eight births of the Golden Age. There are nine births for those who get transferred to heaven. You, who get transferred (to heaven), take nine births. It has been said that this is the first birth among those (births). Then it is said, the extraordinary birth. Then He says that, you have taken this birth according to the 63 births. So, my question is, when one takes 63 births in the Copper Age and the Iron Age; the new ninth birth which one should take after its end, i.e. the first among the nine births of heaven, is this, the time that we have received before getting transferred, the first birth among those (births)?
Baba said: For example, look at the soul of Ram. When was the last 84th birth of the soul of Ram? The 84th (birth) cannot be called extraordinary.
Someone said : From 1942 to 47.
Baba replied: Up until 1942. That 84th birth is the 63rd birth, but it is not an extraordinary birth. But in the same birth, now 60 years have passed, (Prajapita)Brahma's 100 years age has not been completed. He takes rebirth and comes to this world again . So, in 1976, he completed 100 years age and that soul got revealed as the main actor on the stage. So, when the revelation took place, it would be called extraordinary birth. The hundred years before that will not be called extraordinary. He too lives, talks and moves like the world does. A similar thing will happen in every Brahmin's life. As the main part of the 84 births of a soul gets revealed, after that it will be called his extraordinary birth.
Someone said: So, at this moment it is the first birth of his transfer.
Baba said: Yes. It is the birth which is called 21st birth.
Someone said: The first birth among the 21 births....
Baba said: It is the first, i.e. extraordinary birth among the 21 births. It will not even be called the 85th birth. It means that it is the 84th birth, but the new birth of the new world is connected with it. When the body becomes rejuvinated then it is the extraordinary (birth).
Time: 25.22
Someone asked: Baba, sometimes it is said in Murlis that - This is your extraordinary birth and sometimes it is said that this is the first among the eight births of the Golden Age. There are nine births for those who get transferred to heaven. You, who get transferred (to heaven), take nine births. It has been said that this is the first birth among those (births). Then it is said, the extraordinary birth. Then He says that, you have taken this birth according to the 63 births. So, my question is, when one takes 63 births in the Copper Age and the Iron Age; the new ninth birth which one should take after its end, i.e. the first among the nine births of heaven, is this, the time that we have received before getting transferred, the first birth among those (births)?
Baba said: For example, look at the soul of Ram. When was the last 84th birth of the soul of Ram? The 84th (birth) cannot be called extraordinary.
Someone said : From 1942 to 47.
Baba replied: Up until 1942. That 84th birth is the 63rd birth, but it is not an extraordinary birth. But in the same birth, now 60 years have passed, (Prajapita)Brahma's 100 years age has not been completed. He takes rebirth and comes to this world again . So, in 1976, he completed 100 years age and that soul got revealed as the main actor on the stage. So, when the revelation took place, it would be called extraordinary birth. The hundred years before that will not be called extraordinary. He too lives, talks and moves like the world does. A similar thing will happen in every Brahmin's life. As the main part of the 84 births of a soul gets revealed, after that it will be called his extraordinary birth.
Someone said: So, at this moment it is the first birth of his transfer.
Baba said: Yes. It is the birth which is called 21st birth.
Someone said: The first birth among the 21 births....
Baba said: It is the first, i.e. extraordinary birth among the 21 births. It will not even be called the 85th birth. It means that it is the 84th birth, but the new birth of the new world is connected with it. When the body becomes rejuvinated then it is the extraordinary (birth).
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Disc.CD No.514, dated 10.2.08 at Dental
Extracts-Part-1
Time: 16.32-20.10
Student: Baba, it has been said that there can be two-three births in the Confluence Age.
Baba: Some souls can have even upto 2-3 births.
Student: Are they apart from the 84 (births)?
Baba: They are not apart from that. They are included within 84. Why will they be apart from that?
Student: Baba, does any soul have 85 births also?
Baba: No. There will be 84 fathers in 84 births. From where will the 85th Father come?
Student: Baba, there is an extraordinary birth too….
Baba: Extraordinary birth means… for example Prajapita; in the beginning of the Yagya when he reached the age of 60 years, the Father entered him. He left the body when he was about to complete the age of 60 years. So, Brahma’s age was not completed, was it?
Student: After 60 years…..
Baba: Yes, He entered at the age of 60 years (of Prajapita).
Student: The body was 65 years old….
Baba: Whether it is 64 or 65, it means He entered in the vanprasthi stage and after entering in the vanprasthi stage, when 40 years are completed.
Student said something.
Baba: Yes, so He entered. And does anyone know about the entrance? Does anyone know? Does anyone know when a soul enters the womb? It can be felt that earlier there was no movement; now there is movement; earlier there was no activity, now there is some activity. So, similarly, the Yagya mothers who were present in the Yagya at that time; Baba started narrating in the Avyakt Vanis from the year (19)73 itself, “Do not be afraid, Backbone BapDada will definitely be revealed through some corporeal body on time to confront and even now He is being revealed. It means that it is not about the year (19)76. The activity had begun within the mothers before that itself. The movement had begun.
Student said something.
Baba: She does not know what it is, whether it is a stomach ache or is it a miracle of some soul that will be revealed in the world in the form of God.
Student: No. Baba has said in the Murli that the date of birth of Krishna can be calculated, but there cannot be any date (of birth), etc. for Him.
Baba: Is the Krishna whose date of birth is calculated the Golden Age Krishna made up of the five pure elements or is it the Confluence Age Krishna with a pure soul?
Student: The Golden Age Krishna.
Baba: Is it the Golden Age Krishna? Is his date (of birth) calculated in the scriptures?
Student: The Confluence Age Krishna.
Baba: Yes. It is the Confluence Age Krishna. It is only then that the year 01.01.01 will be fixed. Otherwise, the year 01.01.01 will not be counted in the Golden Age. No history is written there.
Extracts-Part-1
Time: 16.32-20.10
Student: Baba, it has been said that there can be two-three births in the Confluence Age.
Baba: Some souls can have even upto 2-3 births.
Student: Are they apart from the 84 (births)?
Baba: They are not apart from that. They are included within 84. Why will they be apart from that?
Student: Baba, does any soul have 85 births also?
Baba: No. There will be 84 fathers in 84 births. From where will the 85th Father come?
Student: Baba, there is an extraordinary birth too….
Baba: Extraordinary birth means… for example Prajapita; in the beginning of the Yagya when he reached the age of 60 years, the Father entered him. He left the body when he was about to complete the age of 60 years. So, Brahma’s age was not completed, was it?
Student: After 60 years…..
Baba: Yes, He entered at the age of 60 years (of Prajapita).
Student: The body was 65 years old….
Baba: Whether it is 64 or 65, it means He entered in the vanprasthi stage and after entering in the vanprasthi stage, when 40 years are completed.
Student said something.
Baba: Yes, so He entered. And does anyone know about the entrance? Does anyone know? Does anyone know when a soul enters the womb? It can be felt that earlier there was no movement; now there is movement; earlier there was no activity, now there is some activity. So, similarly, the Yagya mothers who were present in the Yagya at that time; Baba started narrating in the Avyakt Vanis from the year (19)73 itself, “Do not be afraid, Backbone BapDada will definitely be revealed through some corporeal body on time to confront and even now He is being revealed. It means that it is not about the year (19)76. The activity had begun within the mothers before that itself. The movement had begun.
Student said something.
Baba: She does not know what it is, whether it is a stomach ache or is it a miracle of some soul that will be revealed in the world in the form of God.
Student: No. Baba has said in the Murli that the date of birth of Krishna can be calculated, but there cannot be any date (of birth), etc. for Him.
Baba: Is the Krishna whose date of birth is calculated the Golden Age Krishna made up of the five pure elements or is it the Confluence Age Krishna with a pure soul?
Student: The Golden Age Krishna.
Baba: Is it the Golden Age Krishna? Is his date (of birth) calculated in the scriptures?
Student: The Confluence Age Krishna.
Baba: Yes. It is the Confluence Age Krishna. It is only then that the year 01.01.01 will be fixed. Otherwise, the year 01.01.01 will not be counted in the Golden Age. No history is written there.
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Disc.CD N.537, dated 19.3.08 at Farrukhabad, Part-1
Extracts-Part-3
Time: 47.20-50.20
Student: Baba, she wants to ask: which is the extraordinary birth and which is the first birth?
Baba: Extraordinary birth means: For example, one birth of Brahma Baba is in knowledge and one birth is counted from 1886 to 1986, 100 years age of Brahma, Dada Lekhraj Brahma. He played a direct role in knowledge from (19)47 to (19)68, i.e. Shiv entered in the vanprasthi stage, i.e. when he was 60 years old and He left the body in (19)69. So, the total age is not 100 years. If the period upto (19)87 is added to it, then it becomes 100 years. So, through the subtle body it will be considered to be his extraordinary body. But that is about the souls like Brahma Baba. The souls like Prajapita, took birth in (19)36, the divine birth in an unlimited sense. At that time his age was 60 years. His 84th birth began at 60 years age and it ended when he attained the age of 100 years. In which year? In (19)76. Until (19)76, it was the 84th birth of Prajapita. The body that exists from (19)76 to (20)36 is the extraordinary birth. It is the first birth of the new world stage as well as the extraordinary birth.
Student:.......How is it applicable to the other souls?
Baba: Just as it is applicable to Prajapita, similarly it is applicable to other souls who enter the advance knowledge. Their extraordinary birth begins from the time they have the vision of their own form which special part do I, the soul play among the (33 crore) 330 million deities? . Extra ordinary birth means the first birth. The first birth among the 21 births.
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Time: 47.20-50.20
Student: Baba, she wants to ask: which is the extraordinary birth and which is the first birth?
Baba: Extraordinary birth means: For example, one birth of Brahma Baba is in knowledge and one birth is counted from 1886 to 1986, 100 years age of Brahma, Dada Lekhraj Brahma. He played a direct role in knowledge from (19)47 to (19)68, i.e. Shiv entered in the vanprasthi stage, i.e. when he was 60 years old and He left the body in (19)69. So, the total age is not 100 years. If the period upto (19)87 is added to it, then it becomes 100 years. So, through the subtle body it will be considered to be his extraordinary body. But that is about the souls like Brahma Baba. The souls like Prajapita, took birth in (19)36, the divine birth in an unlimited sense. At that time his age was 60 years. His 84th birth began at 60 years age and it ended when he attained the age of 100 years. In which year? In (19)76. Until (19)76, it was the 84th birth of Prajapita. The body that exists from (19)76 to (20)36 is the extraordinary birth. It is the first birth of the new world stage as well as the extraordinary birth.
Student:.......How is it applicable to the other souls?
Baba: Just as it is applicable to Prajapita, similarly it is applicable to other souls who enter the advance knowledge. Their extraordinary birth begins from the time they have the vision of their own form which special part do I, the soul play among the (33 crore) 330 million deities? . Extra ordinary birth means the first birth. The first birth among the 21 births.
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Re: HOW 42 BIRTHS IN 1250 YEARS OF KALYUG(1250/42=29.76)??
Thank you Arjun Bhai for the class extracts on the subject of Ram's extraordinary birth.
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Re: HOW 42 BIRTHS IN 1250 YEARS OF KALYUG(1250/42=29.76)??
Dear Arjun!arjun wrote: It was clarified in one of the recent Discussion CDs that Shiv does not enter in the soul of Ram when he was not aware of the basic knowledge, i.e. from 1942 to 1969 until he entered the path of basic (BK) knowledge....
In case of the soul of Ram the previous birth is the 84th birth and the present birth is the extraordinary birth.
(1942-1969) , during this period Supreme Soul Shiva not entered in the body of Ram's soul (during extraordinary birth of Ram).But what about period from 1936/37 to 1942?
1)Did Supreme Soul Shiva enter in the body of Ram's soul in the 84th birth(Sevakram) during the period of 1936-1942?
2)Did Supreme Soul Shiva enter in the body of big-mother Jagdamba during the period 1936/37 to 1947?
3)Did Supreme Soul Shiva enter in the body of Om-Radhey Jagdamba during the period 1936/7 to 1965?
Plaese answer based on the latest information/discussion CDs.
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Re: HOW 42 BIRTHS IN 1250 YEARS OF KALYUG(1250/42=29.76)??
Soul of Krishna completed 42 births of iron age in 1969.
Soul of Ram completed 42 births of iron age in 1942.
As we are unaware of zero date of the world drama wheel. Their average age may not be calculated accurately.But surely, it is less than 29.76.
Soul of Ram completed 42 births of iron age in 1942.
As we are unaware of zero date of the world drama wheel. Their average age may not be calculated accurately.But surely, it is less than 29.76.
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Re: HOW 42 BIRTHS IN 1250 YEARS OF KALYUG(1250/42=29.76)??
Yes.1)Did Supreme Soul Shiva enter in the body of Ram's soul in the 84th birth(Sevakram) during the period of 1936-1942?
Shiv entered in Jagdamba in 1936-37 when she was narrating the experiences of visions (caused to Brahma Baba) to Brahma Baba's partner. Later on Shiv entered in her only after the partner's demise in 1941-42.2)Did Supreme Soul Shiva enter in the body of big-mother Jagdamba during the period 1936/37 to 1947?
No.3)Did Supreme Soul Shiva enter in the body of Om-Radhey Jagdamba during the period 1936/7 to 1965?
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Re: HOW 42 BIRTHS IN 1250 YEARS OF KALYUG(1250/42=29.76)??
Yes, we cannot capture the drama and make it limited nor we can place dates on the entrance of Supreme Soul.shivachild wrote:As we are unaware of zero date of the world drama wheel.
If there was a date zero so automatically would be an end also, drama is ever revolving, cyclic.
If we could record the exact time of entrance of Supreme Soul so we would be making Supreme Soul limited.Supreme Souls is unlimited.
No dates, no records therefore in Bhakti it is said - No one knows, only God knows! Coz during the shooting the vital clues were buried or burnt, almost no information is left from the beginning and brahmins hidden Supreme Soul by saying He comes in a female or in some cloud nine ( Subtle Region).
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Dear warrior,warrior wrote: No one knows, only God knows! Coz during the shooting the vital clues were buried or burnt, almost no information is left from the beginning and Brahmins hidden Supreme Soul by saying He comes in a female or in some cloud nine ( Subtle Region).
definitely many facts are hidden and most of the information has been lost. But it is the duty of us to find out the Truth.
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Agree.shivachild wrote:
Dear warrior,
definitely many facts are hidden and most of the information has been lost. But it is the duty of us to find out the Truth.
From today's Murli(26th.08.13) - Father says: No one realizes it when I enter this one.
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Avyakt Vani dated 21.01.1969 says,:You must be thinking that people will say that your Brahma has gone away in less than a hundred years. This is a very easy question, it is not difficult. His age was nearly a hundred. The fact that a hundred years was mentioned is not wrong. If there are any left he will complete them in the angelic form."
This confirms that the Confluence Age is of 100 years.
Will 2037 be the end of Confluence Age?
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This confirms that the Confluence Age is of 100 years.
Will 2037 be the end of Confluence Age?
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Murli dated 21.01.1969 says,: "The part of establishment through Brahma is for a hundred years. Those hundred years have to be completed, but until then , after the part of physical Brahma, the part of the Brahmins now has to continue. Why did Brahma create Brahmins?"
As per this Murli Part of Establishment by Brahma is for 100 years.Are these 100 years(Part of Establishment) aleady over? OR The part of Establishment is in the procerss?
As per this Murli Part of Establishment by Brahma is for 100 years.Are these 100 years(Part of Establishment) aleady over? OR The part of Establishment is in the procerss?
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Yes!shivachild wrote:Will 2037 be the end of Confluence Age?
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