HOW 42 BIRTHS IN 1250 YEARS OF KALYUG(1250/42=29.76)??

[Roy]

As per this Murli Part of Establishment by Brahma is for 100 years.Are these 100 years(Part of Establishment) aleady over? OR The part of Establishment is in the procerss?

Still in process... Heaven has yet to be established in a subtle(Vaikunth) or practical(Swarg) sense up to now.

[shivachild]

Avyakt Vani dated 21.01.1969 says,:You must be thinking that people will say that your Brahma has gone away in less than a hundred years. This is a very easy question, it is not difficult. His age was nearly a hundred.. The fact that a hundred years was mentioned is not wrong.If there are any left he will complete them in the angelic form."
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1)How is age of Brahma is nearly 100 years in 1969?
2)What may be the exact age of Brahma in 1969?

[Roy]

1)How is age of Brahma is nearly 100 years in 1969? 2)What may be the exact age of Brahma in 1969?

According to the records that have so far come to light, Dada Lekhraj Brahma Baba was born in 1884, but according to the teachings of the AIVV, this is not totally accurate... he was actually born in 1886, and so was only 50 in the '36, and therefore wasn't in the vanprastha stage... this is why the Murlis did not begin until the days of Karachi, around 1947... because until Dada Lekhraj was 60, Father Shiv did not enter him. Thus in 1968/9, Brahma Baba was about 82, and his one hundred years of Brahma would not be completed until around 1987... which was about the time there was a gap in him meeting the children, in Mt Abu.

[shivachild]

Thus in 1968/9, Brahma Baba was about 82, and his one hundred years of Brahma would not be completed until around 1987... which was about the time there was a gap in him meeting the children, in Mt Abu.

Dear Roy, thank you for your views,
Please read the underline statement in the Murli point already quoted.
Avyakt Vani dated 21.01.1969 says,:You must be thinking that people will say that your Brahma has gone away in less than a hundred years. This is a very easy question, it is not difficult. His age was nearly a hundred. The fact that a hundred years was mentioned is not wrong. If there are any left he will complete them in the angelic form."

If 100 years of Brahma age completed in 1987/88, the Part of Eshtablishment must have been completed in 1987/88. But it is not so?

[shivachild]

From today's Murli(26th.08.13) - Father says: No one realizes it when I enter this one.

Dear Warrior,
In the Murli dated 28.08.2013 it is mentioned that,:"He comes when this one is old and
reaches the age of retirement. There is no date for when He comes. There is a time and date given for Krishna, and he takes birth through a womb

It means whenever Supreme Soul Shiva enter no one can realize and this is the reason that there is no date when HE comes.

[warrior]

It means whenever Supreme Soul Shiva enter no one can realize and this is the reason that there is no date when HE comes.

yes

there is this Murli point that made me think, see what you souls think of it... here Murli Sakar 28/08/13:

The name of Shiva, the Ocean of Knowledge, doesn't change. He has only one name. His Chariot is big.
He begins to give knowledge as soon as He comes. This Brahma did not know anything. It is understood that Shiva
has entered this one and is granting visions and giving knowledge. The significance of the visions and the
knowledge was not understood initially. Baba shares his experience. In the beginning, when he went to Benaras, he
used to draw circles etc. on a wall, but did not understand what they were. It was as if this one had become like a
baby; he had taken a new birth.

Entered to grant vision to DL? ...must had entered before the visions to grant visions. So far we know that clarifications were given after visions.

[fluffy bunny]

In the beginning, when he went to Benaras, he used to draw circles etc. on a wall, but did not understand what they were. It was as if this one had become like a baby; he had taken a new birth.

When did he finally grow up? A serious question.

How complete is he according to the Advance Knowledge now?

[shivachild]

He begins to give knowledge as soon as He comes. This Brahma did not know anything. It is understood that Shiva has entered this one and is granting visions and giving knowledge. The significance of the visions and the knowledge was not understood initially.
Entered to grant vision to DL? ...must had entered before the visions to grant visions. So far we know that clarifications were given after visions.

Dear warrior, good lines highlighted by you,Now the questions is,

1)Did daughter in law of Lekhraj Kirpalani really witnessed the entry of Supreme Soul Shiva in the body of Lekhraj Kirpalani?
Because none can realize when Supreme Soul Shiva comes, It is only the knowlegde that makes understand someone that Supreme/Divine soul has entered in the body.

[shivachild]

When did he finally grow up? A serious question.
How complete is he according to the Advanced Knowledge now?

Dear fluffy Bunny,
Good questions. I have same questions from AIVV.

Avyakt Vani dated 31.12.2005 says,:"You will follow Father Brahma in the corporeal form will you not? He had renunciation, tapasya and practical service until the last day – he fulfilled his duty of allowing Father Shiva to speak the elevated versions until the last day. He didn’t renounce his old room. The children requested Father Brahma with so much love to live in the new buildings, but he made everything for the children, and didn’t use it for himself. He always awoke at 2.30 or 3.00 am and did tapasya for the self. He burnt his sanskars, and that is how he became karmateet, Avyakt, and an angel. He demonstrated by doing practically whatever he thought. His speaking, thinking and doing were all equal. Follow the Father."

But one thing is clear - BapDada wants us to Follow the Father.

[arjun]

When did he finally grow up? A serious question.
How complete is he according to the Advanced Knowledge now?

A similar question was raised in one of the recent discussion CDs where Baba replied that the soul of Dada Lekhraj had become basically karmaateet, i.e. he had inculcated the basic knowledge that was narrated through his body till 1969, but since he did not have the complete knowledge (as being taught to the PBKs) he cannot be said to be complete. As long as he continues to narrate Avyakt Vani through Dadi Gulzar it can be said that he is still studying from ShivBaba (through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit).

[shivachild]

soul of Dada Lekhraj had become basically karmaateet, i.e. he had inculcated the basic knowledge that was narrated through his body till 1969, but since he did not have the complete knowledge (as being taught to the PBKs) he cannot be said to be complete.

Avyakt Vani dated 21.01.1969 says,:"Because of this, Sakar Baba is smiling in the Subtle Region: "Since the children have love, don't I also have love?". But he knows that whatever part takes place in the drama is beneficial. He does not get disturbed. He was the one who was completely perfect, unshakeable, immovable and stable, and he remains that. But he has love a thousand-fold greater than you children have. You now have to give the proof of love. This is a game to remain hidden."


According to above Av. Vani point, Soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani was perfect and complete on 21.01.1969

[warrior]

According to above Av. Vani point, Soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani was perfect and complete on 21.01.1969

And after that he became the chief coordinator of the Avyakt Bermuda Triangle.

[shivachild]

Will 2037 be the end of Confluence Age?
Yes!

Av.Vani dated 15.11.2011 says,:"Everywhere, you are celebrating the 75th anniversary with a lot of zeal, and you are issuing a challenge that now transformation is about to take place."

In the year 2011, 75 years have been comleted.
Does this mean that ,In the year 2011+25=2036 100 years will be completed?

[shivachild]

And after that he became the chief coordinator of the Avyakt Bermuda Triangle.

As per knowledge of AIVV, entry of soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani in Dadi Gulzar is clearly witnessed by the observers. Has any PBK witnessed the entry and exit of same soul in the body of Virendra Dev Dixit? As per teachings of AIVV soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani leaves the body of Virendra Dev Dixit and goes to Mount Abu in the body of Dadi Gulzar and returns back in the body of Virendra Dev Dixit for study.

[arjun]

As per knowledge of AIVV, entry of soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani in Dadi Gulzar is clearly witnessed by the observers. Has any PBK witnessed the entry and exit of same soul in the body of Veerendra Dev Dixit? As per teachings of AIVV soul of Lekhraj Kirpalani leaves the body of Veerendra Dev Dixit and goes to Mount Abu in the body of Dadi Gulzar and returns back in the body of Veerendra Dev Dixit for study.

The entry or exit of the soul of Dada Lekhraj cannot be witnessed in the body of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit because of the seed form stage of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit (Shankar). In his company the soul of Dada Lekhraj also attains a seed form stage and hence the effect of his subtle body on the physical body of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit is not visible.