Ganesh-Kartikey: 2-sons of Shiva-Parvati.

[shivsena]

To all bk-pbk brothers.

Since this is the time of Ganesh Festival, celebrated with great religious fervour in Maharashtra-mumbai-pune etc, i would like to share some queries about the 2 sons of Shiv-Parvati and their co-relation to what is happening in the Sangamyugi world.

In Bhakti-marg, Ganesh and kartikey are 2 sons of shiv-Parvati.
Ganesh is worshipped before any auspicious occasion and almost all wedding cards in India carry the image of Ganesh on the opening page....while kartikey is not worshipped so ardently. (mostly in south India )....If all practices in Bhakti are a rememberence of what happened in Sangamyug..then what is the reason for so much difference in the rememberences of the 2-brothers.

All brothers are welcome to share their views.
shivsena.

[arjun]

As per Advanced Knowledge, Brahma Baba's soul plays the role of Ganesha whereas the seed-soul of Islam (among the PBKs) plays the role of Kartikeya (six-headed deity based and worshipped mostly in South India).

The reason why Ganesha is worshipped more than Kartikeya is obvious. Brahma Baba extended more help than the seed-soul of Islam in the Confluence Age. Brahma Baba used his mind, body and wealth in service during his lifetime and even after leaving his body he is serving the Brahmin family through his subtle body. Whereas the seed soul of Islam extends help in the beginning of the Advance Party and is associated with it intermittently in between and then again extends help in the end. And it was the seed-soul of Islam which spreads the message about Adv. knowledge in south India in the beginning. That is why Kartikeya is worshipped mostly in South India. And why he is shown to have six heads is that the seed-soul of Islam comes under the influence of various schools of thoughts within the Brahmin family. It keeps on doing bhatti and then moving away from ShivBaba.

[shivsena]

As per Advanced Knowledge, Brahma Baba's soul plays the role of Ganesha whereas the seed-soul of Islam (among the PBKs) plays the role of Kartikeya (six-headed deity based and worshipped mostly in South India).

According to mythology, Kartikey was born first and was elder to Ganesh, so how come in adv-Gyan, Ganesh(Lekhraj Kirpalani)comes first and then kartikey.
Also Ganesh is known as buddhi-datta while Lekhraj Kirpalani(supposed Ganesh) was baby-buddhi who did not understand the Murlis....beliefs of adv-Gyan do not tally with mythology..

[sita]

It is possible the reason is that the soul personifying Kartikey might have been there in the beginning of the Yagya or that he takes birth in advanced knowledge before Brahma Baba. Brahma Baba may be called baby intellect, but he has been used for the delivery of the knowledge of the Gita just as Ganesh had been used to write down Mahabharata. There are many interpretations in the AK, sometimes it is said we are all numberwise Ganesh and Hanuman, sometimes Ganesh may be also reference for Jagdish Bhai. Ganesh has large ears, because of listening to lot of knowledge. The ears of Brahma baba hear first.

[shivsena]

To all pbk brothers.

Ganesh ko hamesha Maa Lakshmi aur Saraswati ke saath dikhate hain...kartike ko kabhi Maa Lakshmi aur Saraswati ke saath nahin dikhate...kyon??
Ganesh is always shown with Goddess Lakshmi and Saraswati in Bhakti pictures..Kartike is never shown with Goddess Lakshmi/Saraswati.... why??

[sita]

To all PBK Brothers.

Ganesh ko hamesha Maa Lakshmi aur Saraswati ke saath dikhate hain
Ganesh is always shown with Goddess Lakshmi and Saraswati in Bhakti pictures

Maybe because they are all Chandravanshi.

[arjun]

In one of the discussion classes this question (of Ganesh being depicted with Lakshmi) was asked and as far as I remember Baba replied that Ganesh (Brahma Baba's soul) is shown with Lakshmi (head of vijaymala) because he happens to be her son.

The question of Saraswati (Om Radhey Mama) was not asked, but I suppose she is shown because she plays the role of his helper during the Confluence Age.

[shivsena]

In one of the discussion classes this question (of Ganesh being depicted with Lakshmi) was asked and as far as I remember Baba replied that Ganesh (Brahma Baba's soul) is shown with Lakshmi (head of vijaymala) because he happens to be her son.
The question of Saraswati (Om Radhey Mama) was not asked, but I suppose she is shown because she plays the role of his helper during the Confluence Age.

Are you trying to say that the famour trio(Lakshmi--Saraswati and ganesh) of Bhakti-marg is Mother--son--helper.

[arjun]

Yes. Helper means sahyogi.

[shivsena]

Yes. Helper means sahyogi.

Who was sahyogi to whom ??
The whole Yagya administration was managed by Mama and kanyas( shivshaktis ke upar Gyan-ka-kalash rakha) and Lekhraj Kirpalani was just in the background who gave his financial support to the Yagya...so who gave sahyog to whom?

[arjun]

Sahyog/help is always mutual. Although the Yagya was run by Mama with the help of other sisters/mothers, they did this on the directions of ShivBaba through Brahma Baba. It is always mentioned in the Avyakt Vanis that Mama played the part of saying 'yes' (ha, ji). It means that she was acting under the directions of ShivBaba. So, you cannot say that Mama was number one.

Anyways, there is no use arguing. If you wish to believe Mama to be the number one soul and playing an imaginary part after getting rebirth in some corner of this world then you are free to do so. You had been speaking about some imaginary RamShivbaba in the past but couldn't prove anything and now shifted to an imaginary new role of Om Radhey Mama. Baba has said in the Murlis that those who worship Devis (female deities) belong to the Ravan community. So, if you wish to go against the Shrimat, it is your sweet will.

OGS,
Arjun

[shivsena]

In one of the discussion classes this question (of Ganesh being depicted with Lakshmi) was asked and as far as I remember Baba replied that Ganesh (Brahma Baba's soul) is shown with Lakshmi (head of vijaymala) because he happens to be her son.

How many roles does Lekhraj Kirpalani-Krishna play in Sangamyug??

As per adv-Gyan/PBKs:
...He is satyugi Krishna baccha taking birth from Sangamyugi Lakshmi.
...He is Ganesh.(even though Lekhraj Kirpalani did not understand Gyan and was called baby-buddhi.)
...He is Brahma-Jagdamba(badi-Maa)as in ardh-nari-ishwar.
...He is title-dhari prajapita brahma from 1942 to 1969.
...He is Gyan-chandrama(crescent moon) on Shankar's forehead studying RajYoga as a student (who is supposed to be interfering in clarification of Murlis).
...Then He also becomes teacher narrating avaykt-Vanis as avaykt brahma through Gulzar Dadi.
...He is supposed to be one of the arms of Vishnu representing mace(gada).
...He is also supposed to be entering Kamla devi(jagdamba of PBKs) for reasons known only to PBKs.
...and finally He was supposed to be Ravan--hirnaykashyap as he claimed that he is the Chariot of Father shiv before 1969.

...how many more roles will Krishna-Lekhraj Kirpalani play in Sangamyug ????
All the above roles contradict one another....still PBKs can digest all this.
shivsena.

[arjun]

Shivsena Bhai,
Om Shanti. You see contradiction in these roles, but we don't see any because Baba has said that in the end the souls whom you see as Kansa or Ravan will be known/revealed as Krishna or Rama in the end.
OGS,
Arjun

[shivsena]

To all brothers.

Bhakti-marg mein, Ganesh ka vahan hai chuha aur kartikey ka vahan hai mor.
In Bhakti, Ganesh 's Chariot is mouse and kartikey's Chariot is peacock....what is the co-relation in Sangamyug ??

Please share your views.
shivsena.

[arjun]

All these Bhaktimarg stories and symbols have been clarified by ShivBaba (through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) in the discussion classes which I have posted on this forum from time to time. As I don't have time to search I cannot help you in this matter.