Significance of celibacy?

[sita]

Dear Busana lali,

You speak for stronger and weaker species, that can also relate to strong and weak sex and also about developing habits through practice that is called tapasya.

In the past and now still male sex is considered strong in all respects of phisical power, money, and intellect, but on coming of the Supreme Soul woman become powerful, shiv-shaktis.

Tapasya leads to some result. Depending on the effort, so is the result. The question is about what kind of effort leads to what kind of result. What effort should we make. What result do we aim for. What is the need for abstinence from sex? What has the practices of abstinence from sex in the past brought?

Material existence is detachment of God, because God is a nonmaterial soul. If our mind is in matter our mind is not towards God. Souls leave nonmaterial Soul World to come to matter, but matter is also the place where the meeting of souls and Supreme Soul takes place.

Dear T.K.,

Sex for procreation is not practiced in the Bk/PBK, because it is believed this is the old, impure world that will soon finish. We don't like to bring people to this world and also as we have not conquered the vice of sex lust the result of this act will be children, born through lust, that are like insects that give sorrow.

Regarding the matter of supressing biology it is said that we should leave our organs to do their work, it is the work of the organs to do their work, we should not try to supress it, but try and control the mind.

The problem with sex is that sex-organs are instrumental for very intense selnsual stimulation, so it is hard to deal with it with the mind.

[arjun]

All Hindu scripture allow you to enjoy sex and also do procreation provided it is done in a dharma way.

I had read in Manusmriti that Hindus are allowed sex only for procreation and not for enjoyment. It is this crave for enjoyment that has led to the downfall of India in particular and the world in general. But why will those who use sex for enjoyment support any theory that limits/stops their enjoyment?

[arjun]

Can Raj Yoga block the biological process or is it only suppressing it, leading to eventual malady?

BTW, hatha-yogis do provide some explanation - how the semen turns into ojas which can then be used to energize the kundalini through hatha-Yoga meditation (which is typically focussing on the breath and chanting vedic mantras or religious hymns).
So it appears that if one is going to abstain, he/she better find an outlet for the "energy" (for the lack of better term), and meditation may be one way to do so.

What hathyogis have been trying to do through hathyoga/physical asanas, BKs/PBKs are trying to do through meditation/soul consciousness. Of course, it is true that each BK or PBK achieves a different result in controlling/transforming his sexual energy into spiritual energy depending on the efforts made by him/her.
OGS,
Arjun

[T.K]

Material existence is detachment of God, because God is a nonmaterial soul. If our mind is in matter our mind is not towards God.

Playing sports can also take the mind away from the Soul/God, at least for some durations when the mind has to be focussed on the task at hand.
Do BKs/PBKs propose banning sports?

If one can be soul conscious during activities, who knows, someone may figure out a way to be soul conscious during sex!
Will sex be o.k then?

In any event, I get the impression that BKs/PBKs believe sex is purely evil. Why that may be, is not entirely clear, it just is.

T.K

[arjun]

If one can be soul conscious during activities, who knows, someone may figure out a way to be soul conscious during sex!
Will sex be o.k then?

Can you guarantee that your mind will not think of the body during sex or that your energy (semen) will not be discharged in the process? Only one deity, Shankar is well known as Amoghveerya in the Indian scriptures, the one who never gets discharged, the one who has destroyed lust.

[satyaprakash]

Why is it said you better do not follow Shankar, in Murlis. Is not it? How is He known as Amoghveerya?

Dear Bhusan Lali,
Your philosophy is not clear. You seem to be ISKCON or sort of Hindu or some western convert? What is your background?
You do not seem to be from India. Your English is a sort of translation of your thought from some western language. There seems to be no grammar or structure in your sentences. But you are trying very hard to convey something.
Please use small sentences and simple language. Use full stops where needed. Use spell check. Example: It is because and not becouse!
If you make such corrections, we can understand your post better.
Satya

[satyaprakash]

Can you guarantee that your mind will not think of the body during sex or that your energy (semen) will not be discharged in the process?

How can a person procreate without enjoying sex? The process of reproduction is enjoyable whether you are a Hindu or bk or pbk! Even if you do not like it, it is pleasurable!
Our scripture declares that when a person has the sexual climax, then all thinking stops and his mind blanks out. So the women. At that time you neither know what is inside nor know what is outside. This complete blanking of mind gives the enormous pleasure linked with sex. So it is not the sex part but the mind part which gives the joy.
Similarly when you eat something nice, your mind calms down and you are very happy.
So as per our scriptures, all joys are of the same nature. Spiritual joys are more lasting while sense based joys are short lived. Other than this all joys are same divine joy. There is nothing ,.like dirty joy or divine joy.
Sinful joys which are not approved by scriptures also are joys but they produce more misery later. Hence they should be avoided. Enjoy all joys approved in Dharma. When you are mature enough spiritually, you will not need all these material joys and be a spiritual person. That is the fruit. It takes maturing. You cannot get fruit directly from the flower.
pbk will look for faults in all normal human activities and will not accept the above. If a person want to be miserable now in the hope of future joy, no one can help. He will be fooled and cheated by every one on the road.

What hathyogis have been trying to do through hathyoga/physical asanas, BKs/PBKs are trying to do through meditation/soul consciousness.

It seems PBKs think of sex much more than other ordinary people! Their trade mark is proclaiming that no sex leads to liberation! They survive by thinking that they are special and others like Hindus have brought hell on earth in the last 2500 years. (Arjun has still not answered the special nature of 2500 figure!).
Because of this, the PBKs are full of old women and small girls. Real people in reproductive age is very less. These old men and women, who have enjoyed sex throughout their reproductive age, produced many children are now saying sex is bad. They bring small girls from their homes and get them shut up in pbk centres, to prevent them from having any 'sex thoughts'. These girls of 8 or 10 year old are their torch bearers. With RTE law in force in India, the keepers of these mini madhubans, where girls are shut up without education or games or proper air or food may land up in jails. But that is their problem.

Their understanding of Gita or any other Hindu scripture is very poor. They quote a few verses out of context and declare all religions are bad.
Satya

[T.K]

Can you guarantee that your mind will not think of the body during sex or that your energy (semen) will not be discharged in the process? Only one deity, Shankar is well known as Amoghveerya in the Indian scriptures, the one who never gets discharged, the one who has destroyed lust.

What is the significance of not discharging semen?
Since Virendra Dev Dixit is playing the role of Shankar, will he or has he reached the stage of Amoghveerya?

T.K

[sita]

How can a person procreate without enjoying sex? The process of reproduction is enjoyable whether you are a Hindu or BK or PBK! Even if you do not like it, it is pleasurable!
Our scripture declares that when a person has the sexual climax, then all thinking stops and his mind blanks out. So the women. At that time you neither know what is inside nor know what is outside. This complete blanking of mind gives the enormous pleasure linked with sex. So it is not the sex part but the mind part which gives the joy.
Similarly when you eat something nice, your mind calms down and you are very happy.
So as per our scriptures, all joys are of the same nature. Spiritual joys are more lasting while sense based joys are short lived. Other than this all joys are same divine joy. There is nothing ,.like dirty joy or divine joy.
Sinful joys which are not approved by scriptures also are joys but they produce more misery later. Hence they should be avoided. Enjoy all joys approved in Dharma. When you are mature enough spiritually, you will not need all these material joys and be a spiritual person. That is the fruit. It takes maturing. You cannot get fruit directly from the flower.

All sensual pleasures lead to misery. It is the mind that experiences them. But if mind experiences supersensual pleasure, this does not bring misery. Supersensual pleasure is pleasure of the mind, not connected to sense organ. It is experienced when the mind/soul detaches itself from the body and stabilizes itself in the remembrance of the self.

[fluffy bunny]

Dear Bhusana Lali, I don't understand what you say.

Sita,

don't worry ... no one else can either. It is not possible to understand it ... it is not comprehensible ... and it made worse by a poor standard of English.

I suspect this is the South American guy, whose mother is a BK, and has a strange mix of Hare Krishna, Brahma Kumari, Bob Marley and Marijuana going on in his head.

If it is the same individual, who has been on a number of BK forums, then from a BK point of view, their "intellect is locked". They cannot understand the difference between Bhakti (Hare Krishna/ISKCON) and Knowledge. Indeed, they seem to be trying to re-make Brahma Kumarism into the Hindu Bhakti they are still in. He has picked up a few of the words and concept from his mother but I don't think he really recognises 'The Knowledge' at all, and is probably a Krishna devotee first and foremost.

The one I am referring to was a good example of *why* BapDada used to go on and on and on saying ""Krishna is not God".

What is the significance of not discharging semen?

Since Veerendra Dev Dixit is playing the role of Shankar, will he or has he reached the stage of Amoghveerya?

Is not this the big taboo subject that no PBK will talk about ... that Virendra Dev Dixit had sex with many PBK sisters and none got pregnant therefore he is Amoghveerya and did not discharge any semen.

If this is the way it is ... I wish someone would confirm it because it would explain many things such as the BKs dislike of him and the Vishnu Party's and others attack on him over sexual issues.

Actually, it is not that difficult to not discharge semen whilst having sex. It does not take a god to do it and it is an OK thing to do *if* you like giving pleasure more than taking it.

If one can do so, is one allowed to from a Gyani point of view? (I suspect not but I must wonder).

[satyaprakash]

Vyased concoction I declare to the Three Worlds. To wonder lose is where your gyana actualy takes you Brother, beware...

Yours respectfuly,
PariXit

Bhusan lali is same as Parikshit? Why this change?

The day you realize that you realize yourself you are become full atheist demon devil you along with your role of rubber stamp coined titles that fall after you in your heading the most obnoxious region missions in hell, for doing which with your desires of going down there to smoke Mr Music the bang of your most selected sadhu around of the prime ...cheers man, that is how happy you are feel sorry, you recognize The Knowledge first, because when you point at they is then that you are found standing yourself all alone.. you wont even like these view I am giving you now, no words that one by one you can please own them back, are yours to see now who stand supreme.

It appears that somebody is being banged for something- who and what and why?
Satya.

[satyaprakash]

All sensual pleasures lead to misery. It is the mind that experiences them. But if mind experiences supersensual pleasure

All desires lead to misery- is this not sort of Buddhist philosophy?

All pleasures are super sensual only. Pleasure is always felt in the mind. Senses may be agents for them. Many times mere ego satisfaction gives pleasure. You do not feel the joy in the tongue or hand or vagina or penis or nose. All signal go to mind and the pleasure is felt in the mind. Whether you use the senses or feel directly, it is the mind which reports joy!

All joy is divine joy. Even a rapist or a thief feels the same joy as a super sensual pbk! The wrong types of joy leads to misery later while the allowed joy does not trouble you later. pbk makes a big fuss about this simple dharma (rule) and calls themselves something special.

If they want to suppress their sexual desires in the name of some future Golden Age, that is their fate. It is quite likely that they will be made as big fools in the Golden Age also when their baba will have many wives or glorified women companions (even now it is reported like that) and these miserable pbk will have to suffer in silence. Real spiritual people will have sublimated their sex energies and will be joyful. But these pseudo cult people will only suppress and go to Golden Age or some other undefined place as described by Parikshit or bhusan lali! Do you call that the golden hell?

These words like gold, silver, copper, iron, sangam, soul, soul consciousness, super sensual etc., are only used to differentiate pbk from others. Only advertisement effect! They have no special meaning. They are useful for self delusion and for fooling others.

Satya.

[fluffy bunny]

Just see how it is when my real nature stands itself on unpretencious knowledge that comes to me ...

I does not matter. Your English is incomprehensible. Do you understand?

"Incomprehensible" means ... not able to be understood - unintelligible - impenetrable.

Please stop. It is not fair for others and all it does is destroy the value of the topics you post in.

[arjun]

Our scripture declares that when a person has the sexual climax, then all thinking stops and his mind blanks out. So the women. At that time you neither know what is inside nor know what is outside. This complete blanking of mind gives the enormous pleasure linked with sex. So it is not the sex part but the mind part which gives the joy.

God is trying to make us achieve the same (or greater) pleasure (joy) through RajYoga which body conscious human beings try to achieve through sex for a moment accompanied by discharge of energy. The spiritual joy that RajYoga gives does not lead to discharge of physical energy.

Because of this, the PBKs are full of old women and small girls. Real people in reproductive age is very less. These old men and women, who have enjoyed sex throughout their reproductive age, produced many children are now saying sex is bad. They bring small girls from their homes and get them shut up in PBK centres, to prevent them from having any 'sex thoughts'.

A frog in the well thinks that the world is limited to its well. Similarly, you thinking is limited to whatever little has been fed to you by some sources or on the basis of your limited knowledge. There are many young men and women (both married and unmarried) who come to the mini-Madhubans and Gitapathshalas regularly. Wherever Baba goes to narrate Murlis the entire gathering is videographed and is available for public viewing. People can themselves see the number of children, youth and aged persons.

[arjun]

What is the significance of not discharging semen?

I have already stated (and most Hindus believe) that discharge of semen leads to discharge of physical as well as spiritual energy. To cover up the loss of physical energy men drink a glass of milk before going to bed and continue to lie on the bed for a longer period while the womenfolk are expected to serve them like slaves. Is this the kind of joy that satya wants to enjoy at the cost of others? At least God doesn't teach us to enjoy at the cost of others. He teaches such rajyog where the male as well as female enjoys supersensuous joy without any discharge of physical or spiritual energy.

Since Veerendra Dev Dixit is playing the role of Shankar, will he or has he reached the stage of Amoghveerya?

I cannot say, but Murlis say that children shouldn't follow Shankar.