Significance of celibacy?

[T.K]

I am trying to assess why is celibacy a prerequisite to experiencing communion with God as per BKs, PBKs, and in fact, even other religious institutions inside and outside India, Indian hatha-yogis, etc.
Mahatma Gandhi is also said to have practiced celibacy to become a yogi.

At the same time modern science has found sex (not committed as a crime, of course) to be beneficial in many respects.

What harm does sex cause physiologically and/or psychologically?
I have heard BKs say that it leads to anger. How?

I would appreciate insights from anyone on this forum.
Thanks,
T.K

[T.K]

The English translation of the Gita quote seems to imply that "..attraction between male and female.." leads to attachment, greed and ego.
Further, it appears BK suggest it leads to anger.
So in some sense, the contention is that sex leads to what are are traditionally considered to be vices.
How does it exactly lead to these vices? What are the physiological and psychological processes?
For e.g., we understand how the physiological reactions to anger in the body can impact health.
Is an explanation on similar lines available for sex, especially given the fact that it is a "natural", biological process in the human life-cycle.

Does the Gita permit sex for the sake of procreation, as do some beliefs (e.g., Hinduism, Catholism, etc.).

Thanks,
T.K

[arjun]

What harm does sex cause physiologically and/or psychologically?

It is believe not only by the BKs and PBKs, but also in Hinduism that sex causes loss of vigour/energy (both physical and spiritual). A person who thinks, speaks or indulges in lust will not be able to concentrate fully on his duties and responsibilities. From the spiritual point of view, indulgence in sex/lust reduces a person's ability to focus on his original self, i.e. the soul or on God.

I have heard BKs say that it leads to anger. How?

It is said in the Murlis as well as in Bhagwad Gita that non-fulfilment of the desire of sex/lust leads to anger.
OGS,
Arjun

[T.K]

So if non-fulfillment leads to anger and indulgence leads to loss of focus on the self/God, i.e., damned if you do and damned if you don't, what recourse does one avail?

[satyaprakash]

It is believed not only by the BKs and PBKs, but also in Hinduism that sex causes loss of vigour/energy (both physical and spiritual). A person who thinks, speaks or indulges in lust will not be able to concentrate fully on his duties and responsibilities.

I do not know when Arjun became an expert on Hindu philosophy. He usually restricts himself to repeating what his baap samaan baba says.
For PBKs sex only means lust. No healthy sex for them. This is called as perversion in west.
Hindus clearly recognised that sex is a natural instinct and has got the system of controlling it through marriage. This is also true for other organised religions. Only the narrow cult people swear by no-sex.
For non-cult people who follow established religions, sex is no sin. It is healthy and needed for a healthy individual and society.
Hindus also preach bramhacharya for the very few who are eligible for a advanced spiritual life and allow them to take sanyas. Hindus consider it a joke if you say that every one should abstain from sex.

non-fulfilment of the desire of sex/lust leads to anger

This is extrapolation and ignorance. The desire which cannot be fulfilled is unapproved and sinful in scriptures and the desire above is such a desire. It does not refer to sex alone.
Incidentally it is the BK and Pbk who are in news very often for sex crimes in many of their centres.

Satya

[satyaprakash]

if non-fulfillment leads to anger and indulgence leads to loss of focus on the self/God, i.e., damned if you do and damned if you don't, what recourse does one avail?

PBKs do not answer such questions. They will tell you to attend their 7 day class and believe what they repeat there. After that you will have to attend the class again if you still question them! Repeat till you believe!
Any how do not come to this forum and ask difficult questions. If you have some praise for baap samaan baba, then you are welcome!

Does the Gita permit sex for the sake of procreation, as do some beliefs (e.g., Hinduism, Catholism, etc.).

Why should Gita permit something which it has never banned? All Hindu scripture allow you to enjoy sex and also do procreation provided it is done in a dharma way.
Do not confuse Gita with what pbk cult says.
Satya.

[T.K]

All Hindu scripture allow you to enjoy sex and also do procreation provided it is done in a dharma way.

So what is the dharmic way to fulfill a desire?

T.K

[satyaprakash]

what is the dharmic way to fulfill a desire?

This is the do and do not of any religion. Do not steal. Enjoy what you earn.
Do not enjoy another man's wife.
.....such rules.
Satya.

[arjun]

So if non-fulfillment leads to anger and indulgence leads to loss of focus on the self/God, i.e., damned if you do and damned if you don't, what recourse does one avail?

T.K, your doubt is valid, but it is for those who do not practice soul consciousness or RajYoga as is being taught to the BKs/PBKs. If you practice soul consciousness/RajYoga you will not be left with any desire for sex and therefore abstention from sex (combined with practice of soul consciousness) will not lead to anger. This is my personal experience and that of many BKs and PBKs.

You are free to follow satyaprakash's advice if you wish. His knowledge is limited to what human beings have been teaching since last 2500 years. He cannot think beyond what has been written in scriptures by some human beings. We have found God and are trying to follow His Shrimat for the establishment of heaven on this Earth. The scriptures that satyaprakash and like-minded people have been following since last 2500 years has only led to establishment of hell on this Earth.

OGS,
Arjun

[satyaprakash]

teaching since last 2500 years

like-minded people have been following since last 2500 years has only led to establishment of hell

Arjun Bhai,
Where do you get this 2500 year figure from? Why not 5000 or 6123 years?
Was there nothing before that? So your raj Yoga can see clearly as to what happened in the last 2500 years? But only it cannot see the last 50 years when multiple predictions of end of the world were made and all of them failed!
So Raja Yoga of baap samaan baba Virendra Dev Dixit will take you out of hell into heaven? wonderful indeed!
Can you tell as to what will happen in the next 25 years when after Virendra Dev Dixit's body will perish- in this hell or heaven! Do you expect all these aged predictors of doom to live beyond that?
Satya.

[satyaprakash]

This is my personal experience and that of many BKs and PBKs.

I cannot question the experience of Arjun Bhai. It is likely that he is spiritually advanced. Whatever practice they do, will result in good experiences for them. It may be same even if he is a Christian or Muslim. Basically the universal consciousness is the same. Tapping that energy is a spiritual practice.

If you practice soul consciousness/RajYoga you will not be left with any desire for sex and therefore abstention from sex (combined with practice of soul consciousness) will not lead to anger.

Raja Yoga of pbk is not an impotent injection.
This generalisation is not true. Raja Yoga is a name given by Virendra Dev Dixit /pbk to a set of beliefs. It is not much in practice. Getting up at 3AM and sitting for 'meditation' is not AK! Taking bath after visiting the latrine is not AK. All this talk of soul consciousness is a result of fertile imagination. If an idiot who walks into Raja Yoga centre and undergoes 7 days course, he cannot be expected to be soul conscious. Many such are there in those places. It is a resort for many mentally challenged persons.
Sex is an enormously powerful force. Mere theories cannot suppress it. It will come out in various ways. Every pbk cannot be expected to be sublimating his/her sex energy. They can suppress it for some time and act as if they are wise. Merely calling a person as Advance Party does not mean anything.

It is doubtful if even their leader has succeeded in controlling sex energy. We need not believe all the police cases on him regarding sexual misadventures. But, his immature talks and vague statements and tall claims indicate that many more years may be needed by him to attain even basic levels of control. Due to old age sex energy lies dormant. But overcoming the sex force is a different game, than becoming old.
Satya

[satyaprakash]

It is very well possible to head a cult of believers without being spiritually advanced.
Satya

[sita]

So if non-fulfillment leads to anger and indulgence leads to loss of focus on the self/God, i.e., damned if you do and damned if you don't, what recourse does one avail?

Lust results in anger when chasing desire that remains unfulfilled. It is not the case when aiming to control it.

This following purity is different, since it is of the family path. It is believed that if two are needed to go into vice, two are needed to overcome it. Just abstinence from sex is not following.

For satyaprakash's pleasure in the BK/PBK cult statements, it is said if one has to become impure (and in this impure world one is bound to become), the rule is to become impure with one only, it is not the law to become impure with many, so it covers his criteria for dharmik behavior.

The meaning in the practice also is about creating pure atmosphere. As much as immoral ways become established in the world, that much creating pure atmosphere becomes essential.

[sita]

Dear Bhusana Lali,

I don't understand what you say.

[T.K]

Clearly, the following picture is emerging:

BK/PBKs insist on celibacy even for monogamous married couples who are not obsessed with sex. Not even for procreation.
Established Hindu scriptures (including Gita) and other religions permit procreation based on a general conduct that adheres to "dharma".

Now here is the challenge with lust as compared to the other 4 vices. The other vices "originate" in the mind and hence they can be modulated through the thought process.
Desire for sex is first triggered through a biological process - when the related hormones are secreted in the body. Of course, subsequently the mind can amplify it, but first it is a biological process.
How does one suppress biology? E.g., nails grow. You can cut them, but how do you stop them from growing at all?

What is the problem with sex? Arjun claims that it diverts the mind from being soul and God conscious. Surely there are other activities, e.g., picking out vegetables in the market, during which the mind is engaged and hence at that moment cannot be soul/God conscious. Should they be stopped, too?

Hence I am still unconvinced about the ill effects of sex (conducted as per "dharma"). It may yet be evil. But God does not seem to have provided a complete explanation in the last 75 years. Of course, God is not obligated to answer any question. But I feel that if one were to ask the unlimited Father, He would indulge the sweet, long-lost-now-found child. Not sure whether he has so far.

Even if sex is all evil, then Satya's following statement is very pertinent:

Raja Yoga of PBK is not an impotent injection.

Can Raj Yoga block the biological process or is it only suppressing it, leading to eventual malady?

BTW, hatha-yogis do provide some explanation - how the semen turns into ojas which can then be used to energize the kundalini through hatha-Yoga meditation (which is typically focussing on the breath and chanting vedic mantras or religious hymns).
So it appears that if one is going to abstain, he/she better find an outlet for the "energy" (for the lack of better term), and meditation may be one way to do so.

T.K