BK concept of "Destruction"

[bro neo]

I love you trin, :oops:.

[fluffy bunny]

That way this Sister related her story and said that at same time there was the period called 'The Beggary' part in the Yagya, when food was scarce. So at that time they had to go out and do service.

So, for "go out and do service", do we understand "start collecting money and donors"?

[trinity]

Yes, and if you want to buy something. Let some other human do it for you so you don't have to spent Baba's money. And let them cook your food even if they are inpure???

But don't you create a karmic account that way??

Well, a simple sorry to baba will wash away your sin! No? Old sanskar ... sorry baba i did it again ... and give it back to you. Wah, my fortune. :roll:

Sorry.

[bkdimok]

So, for "go out and do service", do we understand "start collecting money and donors"?

Om Shanti. Under "go out and do service" you should understand: work to earn money or food. It refers to this period of Yagya history. As for today - it means "collecting money and VIPs".

Shiv trough Shankar

[arjun]

Reproduced from the BK section for record purpose in this thread:

106. “Guru is the one who causes salvation. Guru remains ahead of the followers. Here it is not such a thing. Here the Father says – children you walk ahead because it is also a cattleshed, isn’t it? The cowherd remains at the back of the cows. Otherwise the cows may go astray. The Father also remains at the back. Now a days devotees think that the saint (mahatma) should remain ahead of them. They think that it would be an insult to him if they go ahead of him. Baba will say – children you are ahead of me. The Father has to keep an eye over everyone from behind so that nobody can eat them. There is an example, isn’t it, lion came, lion came ... but there was no lion. For you also people say that these BKs say that destruction will take place, but it does not take place. But it has to certainly take place. In future people will understand that certainly it is a time for Destruction. You children know the reason for Destruction. The world does not know anything. OK, what happened after the Mahabharata war? Nobody knows." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 05.12.07, pg 1 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)

[arjun]

Reproduced from the BK Section:
269.
"Baba Bambai may jaatey hain toh samjhaatey hain yah Bambai pehley thi nahee. Ek chota Silver Age gaon tha, ab samudra ko sukhaya hai. History repeat hogi toh fir yah itnee Bombay nahee rahegi. Satyug may koi Bombay gaon hota nahee. Yah America aadi kya hai! Ek he baam say sab khatma ho jaayengey. Hiroshima may jab baam lagaayaa, kya ho gaya? Shahar ka shahar khalaas ho gayaa. Vah toh ek baam tha. Abhi toh dher baam banaaye hain. Kahtey bhi hain Baap aaye hain nayee duniya sthaapan karney, inko purana nark Raavan banaatey hain." (Brahmakumariyon dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli, dinaank 21.03.08, pg 2)

“When Baba goes to Bombay He explains that this Bombay did not exist earlier. It was a small village; now the ocean has been dried up (to expand the city). When the history repeats, then this Bombay would not remain to this extent. The village Bombay does not exist in the Golden Age. What is this America, etc.? All of them will perish with just one bomb. What happened when the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima? The entire city was destroyed. That was just one bomb. Now numerous bombs have been prepared. It is even said that the Father has come to establish a new world; Ravan makes it an old hell.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 21.03.08, pg 2 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)

[pilatus]

Just to show that it's not just BK's who are obsessed with destruction Why the fascination with the end of the world? Interesting to see if this Wednesday suddenly makes all those failed predictions fade into insignificance... ;)

[bansy]

I've decided to not bother about "Destruction" anymore, but more intrigued about "creation" instead.

Any folks know what the world looks like on the first day of the New Age, and how it came to be e.g. how many tigers and deers will be sharing the lake, how many peacocks will be around ? will the plains in the US be lush with grass as they will be in Africa and in the Sahara Green Plains (not desert ?) or Is only Bharat (= India for simplicity) going to be immune for nuclear dust whislt the rest of the world is buried under it ?

Are trees and bushes and honey bees going to exist on day 1 ? What is the landscape going to be like ? Will the water level return to it original depth , and glaciers restored back ? etc etc IS the land going to be littered with stones (called diamonds and gold and other jewels but you will not know of their value since there is no such thing as money or finance) for you to build your "palace" ?

A new thread ?

[paulkershaw]

IMO, people will gradually leave behind the old world and the 'Golden Age' won't just begin tomorrow as many people seem to think. Its a bit like living between two dimensions and then slowy adapting to the higher dimension over time and one day one realises that one has left the old dimension far below and is no longer functioning in that old world any longer.

So creation is already here, we just need to learn how to live in it 100% of the time ...

[Roy]

Fluffy Bunny asked the question back in 2006...
"The BK theory is that at the End of the Cycle, matter is at its lowest, most disordered energy state. How does it get back to its highest, order state?"

If we are to follow BK theory, atma(soul) is the pivotal energy in all of this. Also we need to address the fact, that in BK theory, i believe it is stated, that the Universe is massive but finite, Paramdham is infinite. Thus, the physical Universe is a closed energy system where no energy can escape from... it can only be transformed from one state to another, nothing is ever actually lost. The energy in the Universe imo, gets sort of scattered, just as the sun(also a star or point of light, when seen from a distance) burns its Hydrogen(interestingly the most simple atom in the Universe, one electron-one proton) to give off masses of atomic energy every second(through Nuclear Fusion), of its existence. But this energy is not lost, it has simply been scattered far and wide, and still resides somewhere within this vast Universe of ours.

Now, is not this similar to the soul itself, which starts out totally pure(satopradhan-high spiritual energy) at the beginning of the Golden Age(Sat Yug), but as time goes on, its energy gets scattered in all directions, by its slow but sure, increasing attraction to the physical world around it. From a state of simple, powerful, introverted soul consciousness, it becomes an extroverted, energy scattered, complex and weak mess of a being, totally infatuated(and therefore in bondage) by the physical world surrounding it. The two energies atmic and atomic, interact(karma) throughout the Cycle... but what the scientists have no awareness of, or belief in, is that atma is master over atom, because it has, or more accurately is consciousness, it is the higher or superior energy. Whatever is the state of atma, this is reflected by the state of atom(matter). However, this is totally reversed by the end of 5000 years of action(karma), atom(matter) has atma(soul) by the scruff of the neck... it has it in heavy leg irons in prison! :D

So how is this state of play reversed, the enclosed system is in a rundown scattered state, but not only this, because the soul's(atma's) vibrational state has gone from high energy(pure), to low energy(impure), matter(atom) too is a now in a heavily degraded, lower energy state, because it's reflecting the degraded state of the soul.

If we continue with the assumption, that atma is master over atom, then it is only by atma getting back to its pure, high energy, simple state... that this state of affairs can be reversed. But atma is now chained by atom, it is now subservient to its new master... therefore, something(or someone) is required, to rescue the soul from its predicament... an outside influx of energy is needed. Now this cannot be physical, because the Universe is a closed system, with finite energy, with no actual will of its own... so therefore, a conscious, powerful, pure being is needed, from outside of this field of action(Karma), to reverse the trend of entropy that has been going on for 5000 years. So who could this saviour be i wonder... any guesses? :D

Shiv enters our degraded world, to teach us about why we are in such a mess, and how we can change things back to the way they once were. We have to become soul conscious, pure beings again, because only then, will matter follow suit, and become pure and powerful once again, and once more serve the soul, instead of enslaving it, as it does now.

We are taught in Gyan(Knowledge), that matter completely serves the satopradan(pure) soul in any way it so desires... it doesn't even have to ask, the service is there the instant the impulse arises... nature completely nurtures the soul, while it is in a pure state. Therefore, if we follow this through to its logical conclusion... the Universe, the newly purified soul finds itself in, is going to configure itself, into a state that best serves the pure souls that live within it. Thus, as an example once again... although the Sun's energies were scattered for 5000 years, you can rest assured, that its energy will have been replaced, just as easily as you blink an eyelid, by the natural powerful forces of the pure balanced Universe, led by the Satopradhan state of the soul.

So to conclude this. If we think like scientists, then the Universe gave rise to mankind, so there is no way that scientific thinking is going to believe in the soul, that is master over matter. However, Gyan teaches us, that this Universe is the playground for the soul... of course it is going to serve us, and fulfill our every desire... its just that this only takes place when the atma(soul) is pure, when its vibrational state is at the correct level, to make atom(matter) resonate at the right frequences, to be subservient. Over time, this relatonship gets slowly reversed, as atma gives up its power to atom, such that atom, becomes the dungeon keeper.

Roy

[shivsena]

Shiv enters our degraded world, to teach us about why we are in such a mess, and how we can change things back to the way they once were. We have to become soul conscious, pure beings again, because only then, will matter follow suit, and become pure and powerful once again, and once more serve the soul, instead of enslaving it, as it does now.
Roy

Dear roy Bhai.

i fully agree with what you have written, except that, imo, it is not shiv who comes from outer universe to redeem the world, but at the right time in drama it is no. 1 shivshakti in whom the whole knowledge of how to transform the world emerges and she starts narrating that knowledge, first to make the souls numberwise and then the 9,16,108 satopradhan souls(atma) will then together with no. 1 shivshakti(divine mother and Father) will transform the matter(atoms)....Mother Earth(nature) will get transformed into its original pristine form, only with the help of divine mother(combined with powerhouse shiv) and her numberwise children.

shivsena.