The Honeymoon Period

[sparkal]

Would it not be the case that we would all be under the dangerous illusion that it is I who is doing this. These are my experiences or powers and I can emerge it all at will, any time." Yes, how clever I am. In fact ... I do not think I need the Benefactor any more even, I am ready to rule ... that's it ... I am the finished article who has no more to learn, even from the 3 teachers - Drama , Baba and Maya ". ... WHACK!

Then we realise just how much assistance we were receiving from The Beloved unless , of course, we need someone to blame for the wheels falling of the spiritual wagon. When our feet are back on the ground, The Teacher can resume the education of the pupil. We are the pupil, that's right.

PEACE .

[andrey]

Why need a teacher or guru? There are cases of selfeducation which are admirable and bring wondererorous results. However ShivBaba has come to show an easy path. Why leaving the easy path to take the difficult. Definetely, anyway there would be effort and struggle. But why would one prefere difficulty to easiness? It would be due to lack of common sense isn’t it?

[fluffy bunny]

Why need a teacher or guru? There are cases of selfeducation which are admirable and bring wondererorous results. However ShivBaba has come to show an easy path. Why leaving the easy path to take the difficult. Definetely, anyway there would be effort and struggle. But why would one prefere difficulty to easiness? It would be due to lack of common sense isn’t it?

Andrey,

that is not discussion. It does not even follow the topic which is " The Honeymoon Period ". It is just BK dogma. How long have you been following the BK and PBK religion? Did you experience a Honeymoon Period? BKs like you make me scare me because you do not think, you just repeat what you have been told trying to make yourselves and others beleive. Is there a Honeymoon Period in BK-ism, I would say yes, 99 times out of 100. Personally, I think it is artificial. As Sparkal writes above, the student thinks that they are doing, that this is normal, that everyone within Raja Yoga is having the same experiences; students are even told myths that Dada or Mama or the senior sisters always experience this and if you are not then you are doing something wrong.

I should be careful here because this is a BK forum and I am an ex-BK. I will show respect to the BK that might come or post here. But, I will say that the period of the " Honeymoon " out to be studied and understood more because something powerful on the psychic level is going on that deeply effects individuals and makes them make deep changes in their life. I also think that students need to be prepared for the crash that comes after when the student is " dropped " out of the Honeymoon. I am yet not entirely sure that it is the student's fault or responsibility but I cannot say for sure.

[john]

you just repeat what you have been told trying to make yourselves and others beleive.

I do think ex-l is right here.

This forum is a great opportunity for open discussion, not just Murli regurgitation. Also bear in mind a lot here will have already read the Murli points, so just repeating them may not serve much of a purpose.

[andrey]

But, brothers what is more important our own mind or a supreme mind if there is one. Sure one has his own experiences. I am trying to be constant, because im' fed up with doubt, thinking one at one time and something else at the other. It is not good. i don't want to live like this anymore. But, please admit all of you did have faith for a while, let's say. Was it OK then. Yes, is not it. because faith brings good feelings. Since when faith is not a virtue but faithlesness is better.

Since communists came preaching we are not entitled to happiness in this life. We will work hard and the future generations will live in comfort. OK brothers live your way, but is there not a possibility for God really to have come. And all of this to not be illusion or conspiration. That He really is benefactor.

And why would the voice of faith always be problem to others and make them feel touched. Everyone is sharing his own oppinion. Why not making apostrophies to others peoples posts. Yes I have one in mind and keep speaking one and the same. It is He has come, He has come, He has come. Whoever likes to listen. Why would this voice make anyone uncomfortable.

[john]

It is He has come, He has come, He has come. Whoever likes to listen. Why would this voice make anyone uncomfortable.

I don't think it is as simple as saying this, because lots are saying this. I don't think even Baba recommends it.

I think you are assuming too much, there are many different degrees of ex-BK.

I also think maybe you don't listen/read with enough attention so I'll leave it there.

[fluffy bunny]

And why would the voice of faith always be problem to others and make them feel touched.

It is not a question of the " voice of faith " Andrey.

It is merely politeness and formality. This is the " BK forum ", you are a PBK, yes? This is a conversation about " the Honeymoon Period ".

You raise an interesting topic, your own experience of spiritual unhappiness under the communist regime - and with it I sense your own pain - let's hear about that - and why you chose PBK insterad of BK elsewhere in the PBK forum if that is what you are.

[andrey]

Baba says when the diamond descends immediately there are false diamonds ready in the market. That’s why we have an eye of recognition. Baba says, my children in their last birth have fallen the most. They have no virtues at all. Deities have become devils. But they definitely have one special virtue – to recognize the Father. The arrows of Ram strikes their heart and transforms them.

There is Honeymoon Period for the whole world. The Golden Age. When souls descend they at first have their own Honeymoon Period. When we enter knowledge we have our Honeymoon Period. When we start a relationship at first we have Honeymoon Period. When we start a job at first we have Honeymoon Period. It is always like this. What is strange about it. That’s why all people have their own stage, because they come at different time. And it is now this world of differences that becomes world of uniformity – all have 100% soulconciousness.

[proy]

Off Topic

I used to read the old ex-BK forum and I found one of the most frustrating things was that people would drift off topic. This is natural in any conversation, but I think one needs to be more disciplined on a forum such as this.
So please, let’s get back on topic.

Honeymoon Period.

Now I know what it is I also know I have been through it and your stories are a tremendous help to me.

Next question – Who are the Honeymoon Period evangelists?

Maybe I have been through that one too, when I was having my honeymoon. I managed to keep my mouth shut but I did start to feel like a Jehovah’s witness, wanting to tell all my friends about this wonderful new meditation I had learned. Is that it? Also, more stories of your own honeymoon and post honeymoon times please?

For, Andrey. No offence intended, and You are not upsetting me as a BK, but the topic here is Honeymoon. Would you like to share your own experiences on that topic please?

Also keep in mind that I am a very independent and stable person, and able to discuss and build bridges with anyone I want to. There may be many other BKs though, who are reading this and would be scared off by being proselytised to by a PBK. I would very much like other BKs to come on to the forum. What happened to bkry from the ex-BK Chat Forum?

[andrey]

For me i became a BK and before the honeymoon finishes i became a PBK, so it seems there is no end to honeymoon.

[sparkal]

Over 25 years, I have had enough honeymoon phaze's to sink the love boat, so where does that leave us?

The centre is a surgery, people don't hang around in surgery's unless they work there or are getting treatment. I don't see any need to go to the centre if I am not working on myself at that time. It is not a religion, it is a process of purification.

[mr green]

wow, :!: :mrgreen: