shivsena wrote:If you believe that ShivBaba and shivshankar are same, then do you have any Murli point to support your belief.....i have never read in any Murli that ShivBaba and shivshankar are same....on the contrary, there is a Murli point which clearly says : "ShivBaba ko kahenge bholanath, Shankar ko bholanath nahin kahenge."( "ShivBaba is called bholanath..Shankar cannot be called bholanath")...this Murli point clearly implies that ShivBaba and Shankar are two seperate entities and not the same.
Dear Shivsena Bhai
I agree with your point, Shankar alone cannot be called Bholanath, but this is imo, what the BKs are
unintentionally implying or shooting, by calling the Advance Party the Shankar Party. This is the
unknowing mixing of Shiv's and Shankar's roles, just as the ignorant placing of Pitashri infront of ShivBaba in the Murli, has been the shooting of Krishna becoming the God of the Gita in Bhakti marg. These are examples of the shootings of Ravanraj, that begin in 1969 in the BK Yagya, after Brahma Baba's death.
The PBKs are aware that Shiv and Shankar are totally separate entities, but that
they come together or combine to become ShivBaba, or Shiv-Shankar... but this imo is not what the Murli point you posted is referring to, because the
intellectual understanding of the PBKs is accurate about this combination; whereas the BKs' combining of the two roles is unintentional, born of ignorance... and this is what i believe your Murli point does refer to...
"... it cannot be said that Shiv enters Shankar, like you (BKs unintentionally) say(imply) Shiv-Shankar (when you call ShivBaba's Advance Party, the Shankar Party)... who told you (BKs) that Shiv-Shankar are one?"
Well no-one told the BKs that Shiv-Shankar are one... but through not recognising the Father role played by Shiv through Shankar, and believing only Shankar or Baba Dixit is running the Shankar Party, which is actually ShivBaba's Advance Party, their roles have been ignorantly mixed... just as they are in the Copper Age as it progresses. The accurate understanding of the PBK souls is represented by the Shivling, where the soul of Shiv is shown in the ling or body of Shankar. Only later do Shiv and Shankar's roles get totally mixed up, as the Copper Age progresses... which is born of the shooting in the Confluence Age, after Baba Dixit started to challenge the BK's understanding of the Murlis, and was soon exiled from the Yagya, and who would then be called the leader of the Shankar Party.
“The Father (Shiv) gives His introduction... You (complete Brahmins or PBKs) used to worship My ling (in Bhakti marg); you used to call it Supreme Soul (paramatma). ‘Param’ and ‘atma’ make ‘parmatma’. But they (the BKs of the Confluence Age) do not know as to what he (paramatma) does. They (BKs) just say that He (God Father Shiv) is omnipresent (through their actions of being human gurus-Dadis), and beyond name and form (as they have sent Father Shiv back to Paramdham, in 1969). Then it does not befit if you pour milk, etc. on it. He (the Supreme Soul, Prajapita-Shankar) has a form, this is why they pour (milk) on him (in Bhakti marg, in remembrance of this), don’t they? He (paramatma or Supreme Soul, Prajapita-Shankar) cannot be called incorporeal (as he is the permanent corporeal Chariot, of Parampita Shiv).” [Mu 18.06.09]
Roy
