ABOUT SRIKRISHNA BIRTH.

[shivsena]

It was the unrighteous elements among BKs/PBKs who were destroyed (i.e. left the BK/PBK fold). Rest are progressing.

The BKs also say the same thing: that the unrighteous elements (PBKs) left the Yagya in 1976 and created a breakaway group called Advance Party and claimed that they are righteous and will establish paradise(which is no where to be seen today)....and PBKs also claimed the same thing when dashrath Bhai and party left the pbk fold and formed "Vishnu Party"....each party pointing an accusing finger at others, but nobody has any concrete proof about who are righteous brahmins and who are leftist brahmins(of Ravan-clan).

[Sach_Khand]

Sanjeev Bhai,

Do you believe that Drama is accurate in its own way and we are all simply playing our part..?Jagadamba Ma is still with Baba through her mind and intellect. She left yagaya because she got 'prayarnaa'( inspiration) from some children, and she is just playing her role assigned at the moment..Jagdamba Ma has a wonderful part in the drama that most of us don't understand. Let drama unfold naturally while we continue with our prusharth. Baba has said no one can understand Ma's role, especially not children.

Nivi

YES.

As the answer for the first part is YES, I have nothing to say to the explanation given by you. You too are playing your part.

Thank you.
:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[shivsena]

Jagadamba Ma is still with Baba through her mind and intellect.

It means that you know jagdamba's mind more than she knows herself.....almost all the souls who have gone and asked her to come back receive the same reply that she is not going to go back to Advance Party and that if she had to go back, then she would have never left the Advance Party in the first place.

She left yagaya because she got 'prayarnaa'( inspiration) from some children, and she is just playing her role assigned at the moment

In Murlis it is said that "jagdamba is asur-sangarni" and you say that such a soul has been influenced by some wicked children(asurs).

Baba has said no one can understand Ma's role, especially not children.
Nivi

This i agree with you....it is said in Murlis that "brahma ( badi Maa) ko samajne ke liye badi vishaal-buddhi chahiye"....so the real badi Maa-brahma, who will be revealed in the end as vande-mattaram, will silence all discussions.

[Roy]

"Krishna ko shyam-sunder kahete hain....parantu woh kaise hai yeh kissi ko nahin maloom". Kirshma is called shyam(black part) and sunder(gora-means white part)...but how he plays such a part is not known.....so this riddle of who is Krishna and how does he play the black-white part is to be known, if the whole knowledge is to be understood.

Thank you for the translation Shivsena Bhai. Is this a riddle, or is it simply stating what we already know? That Sangamyugi Krishna(Baba Dixit), goes from being the blackest(most tamopradhan) soul at the beginning of the Conflunce Age, to the whitest(most satopradhan), by the end of the Confluence Age. His(Ram-Baba Dixit), is the ultilmate black-white part.

Roy

[Roy]

but nobody has any concrete proof about who are righteous brahmins and who are leftist brahmins(of Ravan-clan).

I believe ShivBaba continues to narrate Shrimat, via Baba Dixit; and until you have realised this deeply and act accordingly, you are in the Ravana Community.

Roy

[nivi]

Shivsena Bhai,

I do not know what goes inside Jagdama Ma's mind, or anyone's mind for that matter! I was going by what has been clarified in advance knowledge..If you happen to find a old picture of Mahakali you will see Shankar's photo shown on her head. It is a remembrance of who is residing in her mind as she continues her part.

Jagdamba was the first Kanya to surrender to Baba at the age of just 9, and only after her all others followed her footstep. She was practically raised by Baba and here it is the childhood of world mother. Most people have fond memories of their childhood remembered as the good old golden days. The chaap(imprint) must still be with her. The big devils are only within our Brahmin family who easily twist the mind of mother. Don't you think she was mislead by some children from the Yagya that made her leave Baba's home?

Nivi

Nivi

[arjun]

"Krishna ko shyam-sunder kahete hain....parantu woh kaise hai yeh kissi ko nahin maloom". Kirshma is called shyam(black part) and sunder(gora-means white part)...but how he plays such a part is not known.....so this riddle of who is Krishna and how does he play the black-white part is to be known, if the whole knowledge is to be understood.

Disc.CD No.462, dated 11.12.07
Extracts-Part-4

Time: 47.33-52.45
Student: The issue of Shyam-Sundar has not been completed.
Baba: Complete it, won’t you?
Student: Baba, until Brahma becomes Vishnu and the soul of Krishna....because (the soul of) Ram remains in remembrance. ShivBaba teaches (us), shows (us) the path and does not do anything else. He is akarta (one who does not perform any actions) and the soul of Ram remains in remembrance and the soul of Krishna keeps doing everything. He enters thousand arms and plays a part by entering and he is basically stupid. Even now he does not even know that Shiv-Shankar is the God of the Gita. He also runs the administration. So, therefore, until Brahma does not become Vishnu till 2018, disturbances will continue in the Yagya.
Baba: Arey, so, will he remain Shyam (of black complexion) or will he have become Sundar (beautiful/fair) by then? He will remain Shyam, will he not? So, what happened? What is the new thing in this?
Student: It is indeed a new thing. Many people don’t understand…....
Baba: Why don’t they understand?
Student: The part of Shyam that is going on; ShivBaba does not play that part; it does not apply to ShivBaba.
Baba: It means that the one who plays the part of Shankar, it has been said in the Murlis (for that) , Dev-Dev-Mahadev (great deity), that is also Me. Who said this? Is it the soul of Ram or is it Shiv who plays the part of Mahadev? In case of the part of tolerance played by Brahma, did the soul of Krishna play the part of tolerance or did Shiv play the part of tolerance? If the soul of Krishna had the capacity to play that role, it would have played that role for 63 births as well.
Student: Does it mean that even through the organs, the soul of Shiv plays all the parts?
Baba: Shiv’s soul is the Purifier of the sinful ones; who plays the part of the purifier of the sinful ones? Does the soul of Ram play that part or does the soul of Shiv play that part? (Everyone said: of Shiv). So, where is the need to ask in this? There is no need to be confused at all in this.
Student:....If He plays a part, why will He play a Shyam (dark) part? He will always play a beautiful (fair) part.
Baba: It is the difference of vision of the observers. The eyes are not made up of gold. They can see that this one plays a dark part. We get discharged; so, he too must be getting discharged; we are the ones who get discharged, so this one also must be getting discharged; we undergo operation; so, this one would also be undergoing operation.
Student: Baba, whatever part He plays, so, ever since ShivBaba’s part started in the advance (party), the scenes of heaven will become visible.
Baba: Will that be visible to one soul or to everyone? Was the declaration of establishment of the new world and destruction of the old world since the year (19)76 made for many (souls) or for one? It is the issue of one. Only one develops a faithful intellect.
Student: Baba, it has been said in an Avyakt Vani dated 31.12.03 that the Shyam (dark) part was played till 2003 and the Sundar (fair) part was played since 2004. In the last period, the part of the most beautiful one will be played.
Baba: Most beautiful in the last period. Most beautiful means 100% beautiful. (Someone said something). Yes, yes. It is correct.
Student: The part of the beautiful one started since 2004.
Baba: It is because the shooting period, the shooting period of Iron Age ended and the shooting within the shooting in the Confluence Age began. Does more downfall take place till 2036 or does more downfall take place during the shooting within the Confluence Age? The maximum downfall takes place in the shooting within the shooting of the four Ages that takes place in the Confluence Age till 2018. After that, on the one side revelation will take place and on the other side there will be scenes of destruction. On the one side there will be scenes of establishment and on the other side there will be scenes of destruction. Children will see the establishment number wise and those who would not have become children, those who will be in a stage of souls other than that of the four and a half lakhs (450 thousands), will see just destruction.
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.

[shivsena]

His(Ram-Baba Dixit), is the ultilmate black-white part.
Roy

Dear roy Bhai.

If Ram's soul(Baba Dixit) is the shyam-sunder part, why then in Bhakti marg it is Krishna who is remembered as shyam-sunder and not Ram....also why has Ram never been mentioned as shyam-sunder in Murlis and why is Ram called parampita paramatma in Murlis.

Also if Ram is revealed as Sangamyugi Krishna in the end, then he cannot be Ramshivbaba also in the end....as it is said "ShivBaba ki mahima alag, Krishna ki mahima alag."....if we follow AK, then we get the equation ShivBaba=Sangamyugi Krishna.(which is wrong according to Murlis)

shivsena.

[arjun]

if we follow AK, then we get the equation ShivBaba=Sangamyugi Krishna.(which is wrong according to Murlis)

No, it is not. Shiv is different and ShivBaba is different. The glory of Confluence-age Krishna (ShivBaba) is different and the glory of Golden Age Krishna (Lekhraj Kirpalani) is different.

[shivsena]

No, it is not. Shiv is different and ShivBaba is different. The glory of Confluence-age Krishna (ShivBaba) is different and the glory of Golden Age Krishna (Lekhraj Kirpalani) is different.

You have written that Confluence Age Krishna = ShivBaba = Baba dixit = Ram.
So Ram's soul becomes Confluence Age Krishna also and like shiv ie ShivBaba also.
So what does shiv make him(VD)...does shiv make him like him or does shiv make him Narayan.

And what is the difference between the glory of Confluence Age Krishna(Ram-VD) and Golden Age Krishna(DL)...can you please explain further.

shivsena.

[pbkindiana]

shivsena wrote:

If Ram's soul(Baba Dixit) is the shyam-sunder part, why then in Bhakti marg it is Krishna who is remembered as shyam-sunder and not Ram....also why has Ram never been mentioned as shyam-sunder in Murlis and why is Ram called parampita paramatma in Murlis.

Becoz it is the Ram's soul who plays the part of sangam yugi Krishna. Praises are given to the bodies and not to the souls. Just like the soul of Ram plays the part of Shankar and it is said as Shiv-Shankar and never as Shiv-Ram. It is said Next to Shiva is Prajapita, next to Shiva is Krishna, so Brahma alias Krishna can never be suffixed to Shiva as that soul is unable to emulate Shiva's 100% stage.

Also if Ram is revealed as Sangamyugi Krishna in the end, then he cannot be Ramshivbaba also in the end....as it is said "ShivBaba ki mahima alag, Krishna ki mahima alag."....if we follow AK, then we get the equation ShivBaba=Sangamyugi Krishna.(which is wrong according to Murlis)

Rambap will be revealed as Sangam yugi Krishna when He attains the 16 celestial degree and He will be revealed as Ramshivbaba when Rambap emulates his stage to Shiva's 100% nirakari stage. Then He will be referred as Parampita Paramatma.

indie.

[arjun]

And what is the difference between the glory of Confluence Age Krishna(Ram-VD) and Golden Age Krishna(DL)...can you please explain further.

One is creator and the other is creation.
One attains a complete incorporeal, seed-form stage. The other does not attain that stage completely while being alive.
One becomes kalaateet (beyond celestial degrees) and one becomes 16-kalaa sampoorna (perfect in 16 celestial degrees).
One becomes a world prince (when the world is limited to India) and one becomes a world emperor (when the entire world is present).

[shivsena]

Becoz it is the Ram's soul who plays the part of sangam yugi Krishna. Praises are given to the bodies and not to the souls. indie.

I thought that the whole Godly knowledge is about the soul and Supreme Soul --about knowing the creator and his creation....Murlis say "forget the bodies and see the soul"...i did not know that bodies(5 elements of nature) are to be praised.....i am learning new things in AK each day (on how to become body-conscious and not soul-conscious)

[arjun]

I thought that the whole Godly knowledge is about the soul and Supreme Soul --about knowing the creator and his creation....Murlis say "forget the bodies and see the soul"...i did not know that bodies(5 elements of nature) are to be praised.....i am learning new things in AK each day (on how to become body-conscious and not soul-conscious)

I think you are twisting pbkindiana's words to carve an oppurtunity for the job you like most, i.e. defamation of the Advance knowledge. What he meant to say probably was that it is not the soul of Krishna (Lekhraj Kirpalani) who enters in the body of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit who plays the role of Confluence Age Krishna but the soul of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit as the physical body belongs to the soul of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit.

Nowhere has it been said in the basic or advance knowledge that bodies are to be praised. It is the living souls (with bodies) who can be praised when they perform righteous actions.

I sincerely hope you would desist from such cheap statements to defame others.

Becoz it is the Ram's soul who plays the part of sangam yugi Krishna. Praises are given to the bodies and not to the souls.

I would request you to choose words carefully as it has been my experience on this forum that people who have come here with the sole aim to defame PBKs catch hold of some words to indulge in such tactics.

[shivsena]

What he meant to say probably was that it is not the soul of Krishna (Lekhraj Kirpalani) who enters in the body of Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit who plays the role of Confluence Age Krishna but the soul of Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit as the physical body belongs to the soul of Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit.

So who plays the Sangamyugi Krishna ???....is it Ram through his own body or is it Krishna-DL through the body of VD.....because it seems that PBKs are divided on this issue and also the Ak scriptures say that "Krishna ki soul kissi brahmin bacche mein pravesh kar Sangamyugi Krishna ka part bajata hai."....so which is the official version.