Anadi Prajapita: Is Creator and not creation, hence Anadi.

[Sach_Khand]

I have written some Murli points which according to my churning supports the subject of this post. I request all students of ShivBaba, The GodFather, [irrespective of their groups like BK, PBK, Vishnu Party, etc., as I do not beleive in these groupings of Godly students] to give their views and interpretations of the following Murli points if any.

Saraswati Mama is not Eve, Saraswati Mama is Jagadamba.

Murli Dt. 3.6.93:
"Paramatma ko maat-pita bhee Bharatvasi kahate hain. Baharwle kahate hain O GodFather. Achha Father hai toh saath mein mother bhee honi chahiye. Eve kahate hain. Parantu vah kaun hai? Eve kisko kaha jaay Mama ko Eve nahee kahenge. Mama toh Jagadamba hai. Eve inko hee kahenge. Kyonki inke mukh dwara rache, tab toh tum maat-pita siddh ho. Ek ko hee maat-pita kaha jata hai. Jagadamba ki bhee Maa honi chahiye. Vah bhee human hai."

Murli Dt. 4.2.87:
"Sabka Baap ek hee hai, sabka GodFather ek hai. Creator hai. Create karenge sukh ke liye. Baap bachhonko sukh ke liye hee chaahate hain. GodFather swarg rachate hain aur jinhonko swarg ka malik banaate hain unhonko God Godess kaha jaata hai. Parantu sabko naheen kahenge. Yah bahut gupt batein hain. GodFather Adam Eve dwara kaise srushti rachte hain. God alag hai, bhal tum maat-pita kahate ho, vah Adam eve kahate hain. Tum bachhonko samajhnaey mein bada sahaj hai, parantu dheere 2 samajhate jayenge. Jhaad vruddhi ko paata rahega. Bharat ko hee mukti jeevanmukti miltee hai. Sukhdham Bharat hee banata hai."

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Sanjeev.

[Sach_Khand]

I have written some Murli points which according to my churning supports the subject of this post. I request all students of ShivBaba, The GodFather, [irrespective of their groups like BK, PBK, Vishnu Party, etc., as I do not believe in these groupings of Godly students] to give their views and interpretations of the following Murli points if any.

Pandav /ShivShaktiyaan in corporeal bodies at end times too. .

Murli Dt. 26.3.85, pg. 2:
"Karmbhog toh abhee raha hua hai na. Karmateet avastha ho jayegi toh phir tum sadaiva harshit rahenge. Tab tak kuchh na kuchh hota hai. Yah bhee janate ho miruaa maut maluuka shikaar. Vinash hona hi. Tum farishte bante ho. Baki thode din is duniya mein ho phir tum bachhoonko bhee sthool vatan bhasega nahee. Sukshma vatan aur mool vatan bhasega. Sukshma vatan vasiyonko kaha jata hai farishte. Vah bahut thoda samay bante ho jabki tum karmateet avastha ko paate ho. Sukshma vatan mein haddi maas hota nahee. Haddi maas nahee toh baki kya raha. Sirf sukshma shareer hota hai. Aise nahee ki nirakar ban jate hain, nahee. Sukshma aakar rahata hai. Vahaan ki bhasha bhee movie chalti hai. Atma awaaz se pare hai. Usko kaha jaata hai Subtle Region. Sukshma awaaz hota hai, yahaan hai talkie. Phir movie phir hai silence."

Murli Dt. 30.1.87:
"Tum jaanate ho vinaash kaise hoga. Tum dekhenge hee. Tum bachhonko sakshaatkar bhee bahut hee honge. Shuru mein toh tumko bahut sakshaatkar huae thaey. Kab Laksmi ko kab Narayan ko invite karte thaey.Kitnaey sakshaatkar hotaey thaey. Phir pichhadi ke time par jab hahaakaar hoga tab phir tumko sakshaatkar honge. Hangame honge tab tum bachhe yahaan aakar ikatthe honge. Isliye Madhuban mein jaasti makaan banate rahate hain. Phir tum bachhonko in sakshatkar se khushi mein laate rahenge. Parantu maasi ka ghar naheee hai jo sab yahan aa jaaye. Jo sapoot bachhe Baba ke madadgaar honge vahee aayenge. Agar Pandavon ke galne ki baat hoti toh makaan hee kyon banate. Koi bhee batonmein moonjhate ho toh ananya bachoon se poochh sakte ho. Nahee toh yah Baba (Brahma) baitha hai. Yah nahee bataa saka toh bada Baba (ShivBaba) baitha hai."

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Sanjeev.

[Sach_Khand]

I have written some Murli points which according to my churning supports the subject of this post. I request all students of ShivBaba, The GodFather, [irrespective of their groups like BK, PBK, Vishnu Party, etc., as I do not believe in these groupings of Godly students] to give their views and interpretations of the following Murli points if any.

Maat-Pita: Prajapita Brahma (Chaitanya Gita). .

Murli Dt. 27.4.2001, pg. 1 (M-Khand1- 185):
"Bharat mein shuru se hee pravritti marg chala aata hai. Isliye Vishnu ko chaar bhujaaye dee hain. Yahaan hai Brahma-Saraswati, vah Saraswati adopted bachee hai. Inka asul naam Lakheeraj tha, phir inka naam rakha Brahma. ShivBaba ne ismein pravesh kiya aur Radhe ko apna banaaya, naam rakha Saraswati. Saraswatika Brahma koee lokik baap naheen thaharaa. In dono ke lokik baap apne-apne thaey. Abhee vah naheen hain. Yah ShivBaba ne Brahma dwara adopt kiya hai. Tum ho adopted children. Brahma bhee ShivBaba ka Bachha hai. Brahma ke mukh kamal se rachate hain isliye Brahma ko bhee maata kaha jata hai. Tum maat-pita hum baalak tere, tumhaari krupa se sukh ghanere.. gaate hain na. Tum brahman aakar balak bane ho. Ismein samajhne kee buddhi achchhee chahiye. Tum bachhe ShivBaba se varsa letaey ho. Brahma koi swarg ka rachaita va gyaan saagar naheen hai. Gyaan ka saagar ek hee Baap hai. Aatma ka Baap hee Gyaan ka saagar hai. Aatma bhee gyaan saagar banatee hai parantu inko gyaan saagar naheen kahenge kyonki saagar ek hee hai. Tum sab nadiyaan ho. Saagar ko apnaa shareer naheen hai. Nadiyoon ko hai. Tum ho gyaan nadiyaan. Kalkatte mein Brahmaputra nadi bahut badee hai kyonki unka saagar se connection hai. Unka mela bahut badaa lagta hai. Yahaan bhee mela lagta hai. Saagar aur Brahmaputra combined hain. Yah hai chaitanya Vah hai jad. Yah batein Baap samjhate hain. Shastron mein naheen hain. Shastra hai Bhakti marg kee department. Yah haigyaan marg, vah hai Bhakti marg."


Murli Dt. 19.12.2001, pg. 1 (M.Khand1- 211)
"Gaate hain tum maat-pita hum balak tere... toh vahee ismein pravesh kar tumko knowledge detaey hain. Kitnee samjhne kee batein hain. Prajapita Brahma ko bhee pita kahate hain. Toh maata kahaan? Baap baith samjhaataey hain ki yah Prajapita bhee hai toh maata bhee hai. Mai toh sabhee aatmaaon ka Baap hoon. Mujhaey hee GodFather kahataey hain. Bharatwasi pukartaey bhee hain tum maat-pita... parantu arth kuchh bhee naheen jaanate. Nirakaar ko maata kaise kah saktaey. Vah ismein pravesh kar adopt kartaey hain. Toh yah Brahma maata ban jaati hai. In dwaara hee daivi rachana rachataey hain. Yah bhee adopted mother hai., Vah Father hai. Isko phir nandi gan, bail bhee dikhataey hain. Gaay ko kabhee bhee naheen dikahataey. Yah bahut wonderful baatein hain."

Murli Dt. 11.12.2001, pg. 1 (M-Khand1- 231):
"Baap jaroor koee samay gruhasthee banaey hain, jis karan unko tum maat-pita kaha jaata hai. Gaataey toh hain parantu samajhaey naheen hain. Abhee tum bachche jaanataey ho behad ka Baap bhee hai toh Maa bhee hai. Is Maa dwaara arthaat Prajapita Brahma dwaara adopt kiya hai. Ab Prajapita aur Shiv dono hee Baap thaharaey. Baap toh maata dwaara adopt karengaey na. Ab tvamaeva matscha pita... inko kahae ya Brahma ko kahein. Gaataey toh hai hum sab brothers hain, vah Father hai. Usmein toh maata ka prashna hee naheen. Gaaya jaata hai - tum maat-pit. Ab maat-pita kaise banataey han, yah wonderful bataein hain samajhnaey kee. Manushya moonjhataey hain kyonki shareer toh male ka hai na, isliye maata adopt kee gayee. Vahi Saraswati beti. Parantu beti dwaaraa toh adopt naheen kiya jaata hai. Yah maata bhee hai toh pita bhee hai. Usne ismein pravesh kiya hai. Tab Brahm ko khud kahataey hai tum hamaara bachha bhee ho, banni (patnee) bhee ho. Barobar Baap in dwaara adopt kartaey hain. Toh yah maata bhee ho jaati hai. Phir bhee Baap kahataey hain, tumko Yaad mujhe karna hai. Brahma ko Yaad naheen karna hai. Manushy duniya mein bahut locket pahantaey hain. Yah toh Baap hai. Baap kahataey hai bachhe tumko apnaa bhee sab kuchh bhool jaana hai, deha sahit deha ke jo bhee sambandhee hain, sabko bhool Parampita ke saath Yoga lagao. Tum bachhonko pharmaan hai mujh Baap ko Yaad karo. Mai inmein pravesh hokar tumko Rajyog sikhalaata hoon, ismein prerna kee koee baat naheen hai. Prerana se Baba kaam naheen kartaa hai."

Murli Dt. 13.11.87:
"Brahmkumar kumari vah jo 21 janma liye Baap se varsa dilaayein. Kumariyonki mahima bhaari hai. Mukhya Mama hai. Yah gyaan surya hai, yah hai gupta Mama. Is raaz ko mushkil hee samajhate hain. Mandir bhee us Mama ke hain. Is gupt boodhi Mama ka koi mandir naheen hain. Yah maat-pita combined hain."

Murli Dt. 9.5.85, pg. 2:
"Gita hee hai maat-pita. Baaki sab hai unkee rachana. Rachana se kab varsa miltaa naheen. Varsa rachata se hee milta hai. Bachhon ko Baap se varsa milta hai. Bhai se mil na sake.":

Murli Dt. 2.6.87, pg. 3 (M-Khand1- 408):
"Baap ek hai phir unka bachha bhee ek hai Prajapita Brahma. Aise kab naheen kahenge Prajapita Vishnu va Shankar. Prajapita ek phir unse brahman adoption hotee hai."

Murli Dt. 5.9.2002, pg. 1 (M-Khand1- 515):
"Ab Baap kahate hain jo bhee sunte aaye ho sab bhulo. Mai jo tumko sunaata hoon vah suno. Prajapita toh ek hee hoga na."

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Sanjeev.

[Sach_Khand]

I have written some Murli points which according to my churning supports the subject of this post. I request all students of ShivBaba, The GodFather, [irrespective of their groups like BK, PBK, Vishnu Party, etc., as I do not believe in these groupings of Godly students] to give their views and interpretations of the following Murli points if any.

Anadi Prajapita: Is Creator and not creation, hence Anadi. .

Murli Dt. 30.1.87:
"Prajapita Brahma ke bachhe brahmakumar kumari toh harek manushya hai na ki sirf Bharatvasi. Parantu saare srushti ke manushya sabhi hai. Sabhi Prajapita Brahma ko Adam kahate hain. Janate hain voh manushya srushti ka pahala head hai. Humanity sthapan karnewala."

Murli Dt. 14.2.87:
"Harek manushya matra ShivBaba ka bachha bhee hai toh Brahma Baba ka bhee bachha hai. Brahma hai great 2 grandfather jismani. Aur ShivBaba hai sabka roohaani Baap. ShivBaba ko Prajapita naheen kahenge. ShivBaba aatmaonka Baap hai."

Murli Dt. 3.5.72:
"Pahale 2 jis dwara rachana rachate hain unko kaha jaata hai Prajapita Brahma. Vah hai great 2 grandfather. ShivBaba ko great 2 grandfather naheen kahenge."

Murli Dt. 11.1.71:
"Prajapita Brahma kahate hai. Parantu yatharth reeti naheen jaanate. Brahma kiska bachha hai. Tum kahenge ParamPita Paramaatma Shiv ne unko adopt kiya. Yah toh shareerdhari hai na. Ishwar ki aulad sabhee aatmayein hai phir shareer milta hai toh Prajapita Brahma kee adoption kahate hain. Vah adoption naheen hai. ParamPita Paramatma ne adopt naheen kiya. Tumko adopt kiya hai. Tum ho Brahma kumar kumariyan. ShivBaba adopt naheen kartey hain."

Murli Dt. 9.7.93:
"Tum sabse kaha sakte ho vaastav mein tum bhee Brahmakumar kumari ho. Prajapita Brahma ko toh jaanate ho. Vah rachaita hai manushya srushti ka. Nirakaar ParamPita Paramaatma koee aatmaonka rachaita naheen, vah toh aatmonka anadi Baap hai. Prajapita Brahma bhee toh anaadi hai. Aatmaonka Baap inmein aate hain. Aakar Brahma ko adopt karte hai - praja rachne ke liye. Brahma dwara brahman kul rachana hai. Yah toh samjhanaey mein aur hee sahaj hoga."

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Sanjeev.

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I believe shiv= ShivBaba is the incorporeal maatpita. And Sakar maatpita is Brahma. Brahma is both Father and mother. When ShivBaba plays through brahma, he is mother. but when his actions are considered, he is like Father/guide to all others. So Brahma is both Adam and eve in reality. But both the titles are not given to Brahma. Hence Mama is given that title. Because kalash is given for females. Even though knowledge came through mouth of Brahma, Brahma remains detached and Mama takes that role (serving humanity through giving knowledge = sisters give knowledge and head is Mama).

[mbbhat]

Creator= One who influences(gives). Creation= One who gets influenced(receives)

God is just creator. Because he does not need anything from anyone for himself.

Man is both creator and creation. He gives and also recieves.

Teacher just gives, students recieve form teachers. Hence teacher only is the real creator. But any student gets influenced by those who have better rank than him. Since Brahma is the first rank holder, all the humanity will get influenced by him. So he is like creator for the whole humanity. But Brahma will not get influenced by anyone. He does not need support of anyone in purushaarthah/effort.

So when we compare shiv with Brahma(= Prajapita), Brahma is creator. But since Brahma is the first creation, he is creator of humanity.

[Sach_Khand]

Murli Dt. 9.7.93:
"Tum sabse kaha sakte ho vaastav mein tum bhee Brahmakumar Kumari ho. Prajapita Brahma ko toh jaanate ho. Vah rachaita hai manushya srushti ka. Nirakaar ParamPita Paramaatma koee aatmaonka rachaita naheen, vah toh aatmonka anadi Baap hai. Prajapita Brahma bhee toh anaadi hai. Aatmaonka Baap inmein aate hain. Aakar Brahma ko adopt karte hai - praja rachne ke liye. Brahma dwara brahman kul rachana hai. Yah toh samjhanaey mein aur hee sahaj hoga."

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Sanjeev.

[mbbhat]

Prajapita Brahma bhee toh anaadi hai.

Hi dear soul,

In fact, everything in drama is anaadi. Hence Baba said this. Because Baba many times stresses that srushti is not created physically. It exists always. So here Baba says- Prajapita Brahma (Dada Lekhraj = Corporeal body = Corporeal person ) already exists when I come. i do not create him physically. I just enter in him.

Because Many times people in Bhaktimarg believe creation is done physically.

[shivsena]

Brahma ko adopt karte hai - praja rachne ke liye
Sanjeev.

Dear sanjeev.

There are two types of children: those who are adopted by prajapita brahma...as the name suggests prajapita praja(manushya) ka rachieta hai....and other group are 108 king souls ie. direct children of ShivBaba (shivshakti ie mat-pita) who do not require any adoption and are known as full cast brahmins so farishta (who do not require any bodily prajapita to have connection with ShivBaba)....in the physical world also we are not called as adopted children of our physical parents.(adopted means not directly born of parents).

If this concept of real and adopted is understood well, then it becomes very easy to understand the Godly knowledge in totality.

shivsena.

[mbbhat]

There are two types of children: those who are adopted by prajapita Brahma...as the name suggests prajapita praja(manushya) ka rachieta hai....and other group are 108 king souls ie. direct children of ShivBaba (shivshakti ie mat-pita) who do not require any adoption and are known as full cast Brahmins so farishta (who do not require any bodily prajapita to have connection with ShivBaba)...

If this concept of real and adopted is understood well, then it becomes very easy to understand the Godly knowledge in totality.

So does Prajapita come under that 108 souls? Is he full cast or half cast?

Who is Prajapita according to you? Do you know where do you stand in? In the half cast or full cast?

Suppose say- there are some half cast braahmins there now(say). Can they become full cast by understanding knowledge better? If yes, how many souls in 108 would be directly fall in full cast =those who do not need Prajapita in their braahmin life at all and how many fall in the category -from half cast to full cast = those who were dependent on Prajapita for some time and then became independent?

[Sach_Khand]

Hi dear soul,
In fact, everything in drama is anaadi. Hence Baba said this. Because Baba many times stresses that srushti is not created physically. It exists always. So here Baba says- Prajapita Brahma (Dada Lekhraj = Corporeal body = Corporeal person ) already exists when I come. i do not create him physically. I just enter in him.
Because Many times people in Bhaktimarg believe creation is done physically.

I think that your interpretation is wrong.
If it was so then why in the same Murli point is it said, "Prajapita Brahma ko toh jaanate ho. Vah rachaita hai manushya srushti ka." In that Murli point two things are explained creation and Creator. And according to that relation, Prajapita Brahma is termed as Creator and hence is Anadi which means that there is no another corporeal form through which Prajapita is created.
And for any practical creation there is the need of a practical form. And that will be Anadi. If suppose there is another practical form through which it is created then that practical form will be termed as Anadi. So, anyway there has to be a practical form which is Anadi. And in Murli it is said that Prajapita Brahma is that practical form which is Anadi.
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Sanjeev.

[mbbhat]

Sach_Khand wrote:
....If it was so then why in the same Murli point is it said, "Prajapita Brahma ko toh jaanate ho. Vah rachaita hai manushya srushti ka." In that Murli point two things are explained creation and Creator. And according to that relation, Prajapita Brahma is termed as Creator and hence is Anadi which means that there is no another corporeal form through which Prajapita is created.
2)And for any practical creation there is the need of a practical form. And that will be Anadi. If suppose there is another practical form through which it is created then that practical form will be termed as Anadi. So, anyway there has to be a practical form which is Anadi. And in Murli it is said that Prajapita Brahma is that practical form which is Anadi.

1)Here - You know Prajapita Brahma means you have heard his name. Like people say God. In one way all know God. But they do not know him in reality/practically. So "you know Prajapita" means "he is famous".

Else if it is not, so, then please explain who knows who is Prajapita? Have you heard of Murli point- Prajapita ko sabhi mantey hain= All agree about Prajapita. So what does this mean?

2)What do you mean by practical form? Corporeal? Do you mean by just body(dead body) or a soul in the body? Or please explain properly. So what do you mean? the corporeal body is anaadi?

[Sach_Khand]

1)Here - You know Prajapita Brahma means you have heard his name. Like people say God. In one way all know God. But they do not know him in reality/practically. So you know Prajapita means he is famous.
Else if it is not, so, then please explain who knows who is Prajapita? Have you heard of Murli point- Prajapita ko sabhi mantey hain= All agree about Prajapita. So what does this mean?
2)What do you mean by practical form? Corporeal? Do you mean by just body(dead body) or a soul in the body? Or please explain properly. So what do you mean? the corporeal body is anaadi?

Please read this,
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1521&start=180#p33246
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Sanjeev.

[mbbhat]

I have explained there itself. - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1521&start=180#p33246

still something more about creator:-

SM 30-5-82(1):- Geeth- Maataa O maataa…. Om Shanti. Bachchon ne apni Maa ki mahimaa suni? Bachche to bahut hain. Samjhaa jaataa hai barobar Baap hai to zaroor Maa bhi hai. Bharat may maataa ke liye bahut achchi mahimaa gaayi jaati hai. Bada melaa lagtaa hai Jagdamba kaa. Koyi na koyi prakaar se Maa ki poojaa hoti hai. Baap ki bhi hoti hogi. Vah Jagadamba hai to vah Jagatpita hai. JAGADAMBA Sakar MAY HAIN TO JAGATPITA BHI Sakar MAY HAIN. IN DONON KO RACHAITAA HEE KAHENGE. Yah to Sakar hai na. Niraakaar ko hee kahaa jata hai God Father. Mother Father ka raaz to samjhaayaa gayaa hai. Choti Maa bhi hai, Badi Maa bhi hai. Mahimaa choti Maa ki hai. -38[maatpita, creator]

= ... These two(Jagadamba and Jagatpita) are called as creators

SM 18-10-72(1):- To baap baith samjhaate hain main saare kalp vruksh ka beejroop hun. Yah to BVS athvaa Krishn bhi kah nahin saktey. EK SHIV KE SIVAA KISKO BHI CREATOR NAHIN KAHA JAA SAKTAA. VAHI EK CREATOR HAI. Baaki sabhi uskey creation hain. Ab creator se creation ko varsaa miltaa hai. Sabhi kahte bhi hain humko Ishwar ne athvaa Khudaa ne athvaa God ne paidaa kiya. TO IS EK ISHWAR KO SABHI Father KAHENGE. Gandhi ko to Father nahin kahenge. Behad ka rachaitaa Baap vah ek hee hai. Vah baith samjhaate hain ki main hee tunmhhaaraa paaralowkik param priy parmatma hun. -168 [vah, creator]

= Except to one shiv no one can be called as creator! Only he is creator. All the rest are his creations!

[Sach_Khand]

= Except to one Shiv no one can be called as creator! Only he is creator. All the rest are his creations!

So why is it said that,
"Prajapita bhee Anadi hai",
"Prajapita Brahma ko toh jaanate ho. Vah rachaita hai manushya srushti ka".
Please explain.
Also in Murlis there is a point which says that except ShivBaba all are worth not a penny. So are Lakshmi Narayan and Ram Sita and beads of 108 rosary and BVS all are worth not a penny?
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Sanjeev.