BK and PBK also run on belief and not on proof?

[satyaprakash]

BKs have a huge collection of Vanis which they believe to be that of Brahma. They were told by God, through human beings and recordings were made of such oracles. Those who believe it follow it. To make ordinary people believe it, 7 day class etc are taken. Here it is repeatedly told that Vanis or Murlis are the words of God. Is there any proof in thos belief? Sadly none is seen. The proof is within what is recorded, they say. It is quite possible that some stray spirits which had picked up some religious literature knowlege when it was alive had entered into the bodies of some Babas or Didis and went on talking about these "Godly Knowledge"! How can any one prove that it was God who entered these bodies and not some roadside wandering spirit of a commoner? Or no one entered them and it is their own words! What is so special about all these oracles?

Similarly regarding the advanced party, it is Shiva who has entered the body of Virendra Dev Dixit. How do we know that it is correct? This also may be only a wayside spirit. Or it may be no spirit but only the words of this Baba? Is there any basis for believing these cults? If one believes then it is his personal belief and not any verifiable proof.

All other religions also are thriving on belief. Only difference being that they have survived for scores of centuries. Many other religions have disappeared. But some old religions have survived. Hindu religion or Sanathana Dharma is one of the oldest religions and it has survived the onslought of so many other religions and fanatic hoardes. Even though this Hindu religion is also based on basic beliefs, it has been strengthened by thousands of sants and saints who have shown the way in every century. Further every spiritual work here has been commented upon by great saints taking every possible objection in view.

Can the BK or PBK groups claim any such advantage? They started off with a doomsday prediction which did not come true even 70 years after the starting of BK groups. Sangama seems not to end at all and there is no sign of Golden ages as predicted by them! Currently both of these groups are losing steam and trying hard to survive. It is always the experience of the world history that shallow groups with very limited scope do not survive for long. Claims of support for them will be made by them but they are not based on any facts but only unproved claims.

So with time according to these Bramhakumari based cults, the world will end as this is Sangama yuga and Golden Age will start with only those souls which believed in these oracles being present in it. It is not clear as to where all the ordinary Hindus and Christians and Muslims will end up? May be in some dark hell?

Alternatively, with time these BK and PBK groups will disappear and the individual souls will take birth according to their past karmas. Already the Mount Abu based Brahma Kumaris has started disintegrating as the main oracles have died. As for as Kampil PBK is concerned we do not know how many conflicts will arise in that group and how long it is going to survive! Excess accumulation of wealth will accelerate decay and destruction of these organisations.

Readers may comment on these issues.

Satya.

[arjun]

BKs have a huge collection of Vanis which they believe to be that of Brahma. They were told by God, through human beings and recordings were made of such oracles. Those who believe it follow it. To make ordinary people believe it, 7 day class etc are taken. Here it is repeatedly told that Vanis or Murlis are the words of God. Is there any proof in thos belief? Sadly none is seen. The proof is within what is recorded, they say. It is quite possible that some stray spirits which had picked up some religious literature knowlege when it was alive had entered into the bodies of some Babas or Didis and went on talking about these "Godly Knowledge"! How can any one prove that it was God who entered these bodies and not some roadside wandering spirit of a commoner? Or no one entered them and it is their own words! What is so special about all these oracles?

Similarly regarding the advanced party, it is Shiva who has entered the body of Veerendra Dev Dixit. How do we know that it is correct? This also may be only a wayside spirit. Or it may be no spirit but only the words of this Baba? Is there any basis for believing these cults? If one believes then it is his personal belief and not any verifiable proof.

In either case there is no physical proof. It is only on the basis of the quality of knowledge that you have to believe whether these are words spoken by God or by any ordinary human being.

In case of BKs you cannot discuss the knowledge with the giver (i.e. through BK Gulzar Dadi) but in case of PBKs you can at least discuss the knowledge with the giver (i.e. through Baba Dixit).

All other religions also are thriving on belief. Only difference being that they have survived for scores of centuries. Many other religions have disappeared. But some old religions have survived. Hindu religion or Sanathana Dharma is one of the oldest religions and it has survived the onslought of so many other religions and fanatic hoardes. Even though this Hindu religion is also based on basic beliefs, it has been strengthened by thousands of sants and saints who have shown the way in every century. Further every spiritual work here has been commented upon by great saints taking every possible objection in view.

Just because Hinduism has survived for scores of centuries, it does not mean that all the scriptures, all the rituals and traditions are cent percent correct. Even Hinduism survives on blind faith and except for a few saints, most are busy in material accomplishments (which can be witnessed at the current Maha Kumbha Mela at Haridwar).

As regards the mention of Sanatan Dharma, it is different from Hinduism. Hinduism is a name coined by the foreigners. Sanatan Dharma, which is known to the BKs/PBKs as Adi Sanatan Devi Devta Dharma is a way of life sans scriptures, idols, rituals and traditions. It is a way of life based on soul consciousness, purity and virtues taught by the Supreme Soul Shiva.

If Hinduism in its present form is the greatest religion, then it should not have caused degradation of values as witnessed in this Kaliyuga.

Can the BK or PBK groups claim any such advantage? They started off with a doomsday prediction which did not come true even 70 years after the starting of BK groups. Sangama seems not to end at all and there is no sign of Golden ages as predicted by them! Currently both of these groups are losing steam and trying hard to survive.

The theory/belief about the world transformation (i.e. destruction of the old world and establishment of the new world order) is valid for 100 years (the maximum period of the Confluence Age/Sangamyug). When Hinduism could not bring about any transformation even after nearly 2500 years, cannot we give the BKs/PBKs just 100 years to prove their point?

So with time according to these Bramhakumari based cults, the world will end as this is Sangama yuga and Golden Age will start with only those souls which believed in these oracles being present in it. It is not clear as to where all the ordinary Hindus and Christians and Muslims will end up? May be in some dark hell?

Any soul (belonging to any religion) who accepts and follows the Godly knowledge as being taught through BKs/PBKs can come in the Golden Age or Silver Age for different periods based on the efforts made by them in the Confluence Age.

[new knowledge]

It is only on the basis of the quality of knowledge that you have to believe whether these are words spoken by God or by any ordinary human being.

OK. What is the quality of Murlis which proves it to be Godly knowledge?

[arjun]

OK. What is the quality of Murlis which proves it to be Godly knowledge?

I meant to say that if you feel the knowledge contained in the Murlis to be better than that contained in the scriptures or the knowledge given by various religious fathers/gurus, then you can think it to be Godly knowledge. Ultimately it comes to faith. Baba says that in the end this knowledge will be tallied with the help of all the sciences, but that may take time.