Is it necessary that if the Murli that I quoted has been narrated in the night, then it should not have come from ShivBaba (through the mouth of Brahma Baba)? Baba says that whatever words emerge from the mouth of Brahma should be considered as Murli, without any specific condition of the time at which these words are spoken. I was just now listening to Hindustani classical music by Shubha Mudgal (http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/h ... rtist.193/) which I had played for my parents on my PC, and I found these words relevant to my answer 'bela shaam kee; achaanak aaye shyaam' (it was evening time; and Shyam came suddenly)shivsena wrote:I cannot understand, on one hand you say that it is ratri class (like janki Dadi class) and then you say this is original Sakar Murli with original date; This ratri class of 23-12-58 is not spoken by Shiva as i have the same Vani in the booklet Gyan-veena which is spoken by Mama.
So any Murli before 1965 has to be on the front page with original date on top(like all Murlis from 1965 to 1969.), before we conclude that Shiva spoke Murlis before 1965.
I will check up whether the same words appear in Gyaan Veena under Mama's night class dated 23.12.58.
Meanwhile I was listening to the VCD No.952 (time 17.37-19.28) in which, while clarifying the Original Sakar Murli dated 14.5.1968, ShivBaba (through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) was reading the following lines:
वीसीडी नं. ९५२ समयः १७.३७-१९.२८, मु.१४.१९६८
”डायरी तो सदैव ही पॉकिट में रहनी चाहिए नोट करने के लिए। और सबसे जास्ती तो तुमको नोट करना है। अपने को मियां मिट्ठू समझेंगे तो माया भी कोई कम नहीं है। घूंसा लगाती रहेगी। लक्ष्मी-नारायण बनना मासी का घर नहीं है। बड़ी भारी सल्तनत स्थापन होती है। कोटों में कोई निकलेंगे। हमको तो कोई इस समय दिखते नहीं हैं। कहेंगे मम्मा क्या करती थी? प्वाइंट्स लिखवाती थी। वो तो किताब में ही रहता था। रोज देखती थोड़ेही थी। बाबा तो कहते हैं नोट करके फिर देखो। लिखने की मेहनत चाहिए। बाबा भी सवेरे-सवेरे दो बजे बैठ के लिखते थे। फिर पढ़ते थे, प्वाइंट्स भूल जाते थे, तो फिर लिखते थे। तुमको समझाने के लिए। जो भी बच्चे गये हैं, जल्दी में क्यों गये? जरूर कोई कारण होगा। जाने का कोई कारण होगा ना। अच्छा जाते हैं तो कहां गये हैं? उनकी याद की यात्रा की कहां वो कर्मातीत अवस्था है?”
VCD No.952, Time: 17.37-19.28, Murli dated 14.5.1968
“The diary should always remain in the pocket to note down. And you have to note more than anyone else. If you praise yourself like a parrot (miyamitthu) then Maya is no less. It will keep boxing you. Becoming Lakshmi-Narayan is not as easy as going to the maternal aunt’s house. A very big empire is getting established. A few among crores will emerge. I do not see anyone (worthy) at present. It may be asked – What did Mama used to do? She used to dictate points. That used to remain in the book itself. She did not used to read it daily. Baba says – Note and then read it. One needs to make efforts to write. Even Baba used to wake up at 2 AM and write. Then he used to read it; if he used to forget any points, he used to write again in order to explain to you. Why did all those children who have departed go early? Certainly there must have been some reason. There must have been some reason for their departure, isn’t it? OK, if they depart, where have they gone? Did they achieve the karmateet stage in the journey of remembrance?”
Although the above words were spoken by ShivBaba (through Veerendra Dev Dixit) in the VCD No.952, all the above words are from the original Murli dated 14.5.68, i.e. no words were added as clarification. The above lines which were obviously narrated after Mama's demise clearly indicate that Mama only used to dictate points that used to be noted down in the diaries by the Brahmin children. Had Mama been narrating Murlis before 1965, ShivBaba would have surely mentioned about it in the post-65 Murlis. But He hasn't mentioned it anywhere.
Regards,
OGS,
Arjun
