“जब कलियुग का अन्त आये तब भक्ति का भी अन्त आये, तब ही भगवान आकर मिले क्योंकि वही भक्ति का फल देने वाला है। उनको ज्ञान सूर्य कहा जाता है। ज्ञान चन्द्रमा, ज्ञान सूर्य और ज्ञान लकी सितारे। अच्छा ज्ञान सूर्य तो है बाप। फिर माता चाहिए ज्ञान चन्द्रमा। तो जिस तन में प्रवेश किया है वह हो गई ज्ञान चन्द्रमा माता और बाकी सब हैं बच्चे लकी सितारे। इस हिसाब से जगदम्बा भी लकी स्टार हो गई क्योंकि बच्चे ठहरे ना। स्टार्स में कोई सबमें तीखा भी होता है। वैसे यहाँ भी नम्बरवार हैं। वह हैं स्थूल आकाश के सूर्य चाँद और सितारे और यह है ज्ञान की बात। जैसे वह पानी की नदियां और यह है ज्ञान की नदियां, जो ज्ञान सागर से निकली हैं।“ (ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक ११.०१.०८, पृ.२)Murlis say that Brahma is Moon of knowledge
“When the Iron Age ends, then Bhakti would also end; only then will God come and meet because He alone gives the fruits of Bhakti. He is called the Sun of Knowledge. The Moon of knowledge, the Sun of Knowledge and the lucky stars of knowledge. OK, the Father is the Sun of Knowledge. Then the mother should be the Moon of knowledge. So, the body in which He has entered is the Moon of knowledge mother and the rest of the children are lucky stars. In this way, Jagdamba is also a lucky star because she is also a child, isn’t she? Even among the stars one shines the most. Similarly, even here they are numberwise. Those are the Sun, the Moon and the stars of the sky and here it is a matter of knowledge. Just as they are the rivers of water and these are the rivers of knowledge, which have emerged from the ocean of knowledge.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 11.01.08, pg 2 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
Even if it exists it will apply to Prajapita, but as far as Brahma is concerned there are several Murlis which say that one should not keep Brahma's photos.Murli says- Prajapita ka alag photo honaa chahiye = there should be separate photo of Prajapita. [sorry- i do not have date now]
“बाप कहते हैं भारतवासियों को अपने धर्म का पता नहीं – कब और किसने स्थापन किया? कोई किस देवी को याद करते, कोई कृष्ण को, कोई गुरू को याद करते। गुरू का फोटो भी लगा देते हैं। तुम्हारा चित्र से काम नहीं। जिसका कोई चित्र नहीं है, वह है विचित्र। आत्मा विचित्र है। जैसे बाप विचित्र है वैसे बच्चे भी विचित्र हैं। आत्मा ही सुनती है। बाबा ने यह तन लोन लिया है। कहते हैं प्रकृति के आधार बिगर मैं ज्ञान कैसे दूं? राजयोग कैसे सिखलाऊं?“(ब्रह्माकुमारियों द्वारा प्रकाशित रिवाइज़्ड साकार मुरली दिनांक २६.०८.०८, पृ. ३)
“The Father says – The Indians do not know about their religion – when and who established it? Some people remember some devi (female deity), some remember Krishna, some remember some guru. They also display the photo of the guru. You don’t have any connection with pictures. The one who does not have any picture is called vichitra. A soul is vichitra. Just as the Father is vichitra, children are vichitra too. The soul itself listens. Baba has taken this body on loan. He says – How can I give knowledge without the support of prakriti (nature/body)? How can I teach rajyog?”(Revised Sakar Murli dated 26.08.08, pg 3 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
• "Baap kahtey hain tumko koi bhi chitra rakhney kee darkaar nahee. Kyaa tum ShivBaba ko nahee jaantey jo chitra rakhtey ho? Kya chitra rakhney say Yaad kar saktey ho? Baba jeeta hai fir bachchey chitra kyon rakhengey? Baap tumko gyaan dey raha hai fir chitra kya karengey? Boodhey hain Yaad bhool jaati hai isliye chitra diya jaataa hai. Baaki aur koi bhi dehdhaari ko Yaad kartey rahengey toh anth samay vahee Yaad aayega. Kuch na kuch rag hai toh vah tumhaarey peechey padega. Fir bhaley kitney bhi ShivBaba ke chitra rakho. Agar rag aur taraf hogi toh vah Yaad jaroor aayega. Isliye Baap kahtey hain bachchey poora nashtomoha ho jaao." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 26.12.07, pg 3&4)
• “The Father says – there is no need for you to keep any picture. Don’t you know ShivBaba that you keep (His) pictures? Can you remember (Him) by keeping (His) pictures? When Baba is alive, then why will children keep pictures? The Father is giving you knowledge, then what will you do with pictures? There are aged ones; they forget to remember (Baba), this is why picture is given. But if you keep remembering any other bodily being, then in the end his thoughts will only come to your mind. If there is attachment to some extent or the other, then he will chase you. Then you may keep any number of pictures of ShivBaba. If you have attachment for someone else, then he will certainly come to your mind. This is why the Father says – Children, become completely victorious over attachment.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 26.12.07, pg 3&4 published by BKs)
God does not read. Nor does the soul of Ram read. It is the soul of Dada Lekhraj (Moon of knowledge depicted on Shankar's forehead) who reads the Murlis (scriptures) and Shiv clarifies.But- that implies god gives knowledge thorugh Brahma . but- god himself reads something and explains.....does not digest to me. OK, good.
It is to save Yagya money that ShivBaba travels himself. Instead of thousands of children coming from different corners of the country and abroad to Madhuban, if one ShivBaba travels to their doorstep, will it not save precious Yagya money?And- much more questions arise. It is gyaan gagaayein (rivers of knowledge) that should flow and not the ocean (god). But in AIVV, it is the ocean(God) that moves/travels maximum.
It has been said in an Avyakt Vani - If you set up mini-Madhubans BapDada will come there. But Avyakt BapDada through Gulzar Dadi has not travelled anywhere except Abu or Abu Road even after many years of this declaration.
There is a song in the path of Bhakti - तेरे द्वार खड़ा भगवान - (God is standing at your door step) and even in the Murlis Baba says that you have found God sitting at home.
In AIVV Baba thinks so much about saving money whereas in BKWSU, lakhs and even crores of rupees are wasted on travelling by AC trains or aeroplanes. I remember that when Prakashmani Dadi died thousands of BKs wasted money travelling from all over the world to Mount Abu. Is it in accordance with Shrimat when Baba says every paisa of Yagya money is precious? I have just given one example (tip of the iceberg).
Thank you, too. :DDebate will never end. You are here in the intention of doing service and even myself.
both of us agree that truth will win and also respect truth from inner side. so- Good and fine.
Hope we end with good mood. Thank you.