Who is Maa adi-shakti - feminine side of God Shiva ???

[shivsena]

"Prajapita Brahma ko bhi creator kehte hai."--------MU 26.7.77
...well, this indicates that PRAJAPITA Brahma is the one among the creators who can give varsa...!!!

Dear rudraputra.

The point about prajapita brahma you have quoted is from Gita khand or Gita pocket and i am sure that you do not have the Sakar Murli....this point needs to be confirmed from Murlis as it raises many queries and ambiguites.

There is a Murli point which says: "ShivBaba hai swarg ka rachieta" (meaning : ''ShivBaba is creator of heaven'']...and also a Murli point says: "ShivBaba hai mukhya actor-director-creator."......so if prajapita brahma is also a creator, then question arises what does He create and who is his creation(Does prajapita brahma create heaven?????) ....also how can there be 2 creators and 2 creations ??????????

Also if prajapita brahma is creator, then how can the same soul be Bharat (who receives inheritance from ShivBaba). A soul cannot be both creator and creation at the same time. So a long list of queries will arise if there are two creators.

shivsena.

[RudraPutra]

The point about prajapita Brahma you have quoted is from Gita khand or Gita pocket and i am sure that you do not have the Sakar Murli....this point needs to be confirmed from Murlis as it raises many queries and ambiguites.

well for your kind information.....Gita KHAND and Gita POCKET is an outcome of complete truth and hence everything is kept transparent....about the Murli i am trying to find the same,if you have the one you can also search for it....will post once i get.....till then you can refer some below Murli....

There is a Murli point which says: "ShivBaba hai swarg ka rachieta" (meaning : ''ShivBaba is creator of heaven'']...and also a Murli point says: "ShivBaba hai mukhya actor-director-creator.".....so if prajapita Brahma is also a creator, then question arises what does He create and who is his creation(Does prajapita Brahma create heaven?????) ....also how can there be 2 creators and 2 creations ??????????

"Prajapita hai toh saari praja hui na.Great great grandfather hai.Yah saara gyaan abhi tum bachchon ki buddhi mein abhi hai.Prajapita Brahma kehte toh bahut hai,parantu yatharth reeti jaante nahiBrahma kiska bachcha hai.Tum kahenge Parampita Parmatma SHIV ne inko adopt kiya hai.Yah toh sharirdhari hai na.Eeshwar ke aulaad sabhi atmayein hai.Phir sharir milta hai toh Prajapita Brahma adoption kehte hai.Yah adoption nahi hai.Atmaon ko parampita parmatma ne adopt kiya.Nahi.Tumko adopt kiya hai.Tum ho Brahmakumar-kumariyan.ShivBaba adopt nahi karte hai.Sabhi atmayein anaadi-avinashi hai."---------MU 6.1.69(morning class)
...yatharth reeti se nahi jaante.....PRAJAPITA ko....what you are having is misconception about him....
ShivBaba doesn't adopt us...we are adopted by PRAJAPITA BRAHMA and hence he is our creator and we are his creation....
we all are souls and from soul point of view no one can creates us,that is why the last sentence has been mentioned as atma being anaadi and avinashi.....anaadi means one who is not created.....adoption takes place only in corporeal form....

"Prajapita Brahma hai toh praja bhi hongi na.Prajapita Brahma dwaara SWARG ki STHAAPNA."------MU 2.1.69 (Night class)
....no need to mention anything here....

"Saari duniya ke manushya BAAP ko bhi maanenge Brahma ko bhi maanenge.Apan ko rooh(atma) samjhenge toh BAAP ko maanenge.Phir manushya sharir mein aate hai toh BRAHMA ko baap maanenge.BRAHMA ko hi PRAJAPITA kaha jaata hai.Atmaon ko toh praja nahi kahenge.Manushya srushti kaun rachte hai PRAJAPITA BRAHMA ka naam aata hai toh vah SAAKAAR vah NIRAKAAR ho gaya.Vah toh anaadi hai.Vah bhi anaadi kahenge.Dono ka naam highest hai.Vah ruhaani baap vah PRAJAPITA.Dono baith tumko padhate hai.Kitna highest hua.Bachchon ko kitna nasha chadna chahiye.Parantu itna nasha chadta nahi hai.Khushi kitni honi chahiye.Parantu Maya khushi mein rehne nahi deti hai."
....there are two points SHIV and PRAJAPITA....whole world will believe both.....and not only one of them....that is from soul point of view they will come to know about SHIV and since they are in corporeal form they will come to know about BRAHMA and that is PRAJAPITA BRAHMA....
only souls are not called as praja...souls in corporeal form are called as PRAJA and since we are manushya...we are having PRAJAPITA as Father of manushya srushti(world of human beings)...
and most important both SHIV and PRAJAPITA are anaadi...hence both are creators with SHIV as incorporeal form and PRAJAPITA as corporeal form....both are having name highest.....now how would you describe this.....English grammar....ironically both cannot be called highest(as a term of comparison),but they are called so,why?....because they share same physical body....this is the only single term that satisfies the highest named concept....
hence SHIV+PRAJAPITA==highest.....now they can be called so....
and most important thing is that both are teaching us.....now how this can be explained?
similarly it can be explained on path of how highest named concept got cleared.....SHIV cannot teach us without any body...so we are taught by SHIV through PRAJAPITA,hence both are there for teaching....
Now instead of feeling full and satisfied,these concepts are ignored by some of the children,thanx to Maya.....this is what has been warned....!!!

now coming to your point....SHIV is neither actor,nor creator and not a director,directly.....you are smart enough to understand that SHIV doesn't teach or give any directions through prerna.....he has to do it practical
instead to lead these roles he need a corporeal media,hence SHIV+BABA together is(are) called actor, creator and director....

Also if prajapita Brahma is creator, then how can the same soul be Bharat (who receives inheritance from ShivBaba). A soul cannot be both creator and creation at the same time. So a long list of queries will arise if there are two creators.

when we say nimitt....we automatically bring that person to second place....of course when a person is nimitt,he is not the one responsible.....here also Bharat is nimitt for doing the work of SHIV or in simple sentence SHIV does work through Bharat.....so SHIV is the one prior to Bharat and it is SHIV whose entry had given Bharat the utmost importance.... from this point of view....Bharat became Bharat only because of entry of SHIV...so SHIV is reason for the birth of role of Bharat.....hence Bharat can be called creation only from role point of view.....in above Murli points it has been clearly mentioned CREATOR and CREATION should be in corporeal form.... incorporeal world and the same stuff has nothing to do with these....

[RudraPutra]

Above post says that
"Prajapita saari manushya srushti ka beej hai."...
manushya himself becomes diety and manushya himself becomes asur.....so beej of manushya that is the soul of PRAJAPITA himself is beej of diety and he himself is beej of asur.....and among the human souls he is the one highest.....above him is only SHIV and no one else!!!
SHIV is kalyankari....but how come we know that.....only with the help of corporeal form....SHIV can get manifested as kalyankari only through corporeal form....
....so SHIV+BABA is kalyankari in all terms....but since children are apoorn in their stages,they see SHIV+BABA as the same apoorn....
JAISI DRUSHTI VAISI SRUSHTI....
"Humesha samjho ki ShivBaba in dwara direction dete hai.Agar eeshwariya direction na samajh MANUSHYA ka direction samjha toh moonjh padenge.Baap kehte hai mere direction par chalne se main responsible hoon.In dwaara jo kuch hota hai unki activity ka main responsible hoon.Usko hum right kar hi denge.Tum sirf humaare direction par chalo."------------MU 12.1.75

"Baap sammukh aakar SHREEMAT dete hai.....Yahan toh baap mat dete hai,jaise school mein teacher padhate hai."-----------MU 8.3.83
....school mein teacher kaise padhate hai....tell me?
student just read the English poetry or prose and he get the meaning directly with prerna and infact there is no need of any teacher.....hence student is not student...he himself has understood everything....(although there is no one to rectify or check what he had thinking about the concept)...but that doesn't matter...he himself is teacher....hence he is ShivBaba!!! ....is this the way taught in school....? no dear...teacher must be practical....and he is in form of BAAP,TEACHER and Satguru....

[Sach_Khand]

Who is no. 1 shivshakti (paramatma part) with whom parampita Shiv is always combined.

Is it Mama jagdamba Saraswati (goddess of knowledge), who never took the Godly course and just narrated The Knowledge which emerged in her from time to time.
shivsena.

Please see the following posts

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2168 (Mama is daughter and not wife of Brahma or ShivBaba)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2167 (Saraswati Mama is not Eve, Saraswati Mama is Jagadamba.)

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[shivsena]

To all pbk brothers.

Murlis say: " Saari mahima ek ShivBaba ki hai" ("the whole praise is for ShivBaba").
So who is this personified ShivBaba for whom all the praises in Bhakti marg is sung as below.
It is very clear from the praises below, that all the praise is for no. 1 shivshakti(durga-Maa) and none other. ( shakti cannot be seperated from Shiva, just as sun's rays cannot be seperated from the SUN )

shivsena.
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Durga Chalisa in English With Meaning

Namo Namo Durge Sukh Karani
Namo Namo Ambe Dukh Harani
I bow to you O Goddess Durga, the bestower of all happiness! I bow to you O Goddess Amba! Who ends all miseries.

Nirakar Hai Jyoti Tumhari
Tihun Lok Phaili Ujayari
The radiance of your light is limitless and pervading and all the three realms (Earth, Heaven and the Nether World) are enlightened by thee.

Shashi Lalat Mukh Maha Vishala
Netra Lal Bhrikutee Vikarala
Your Visage is like the moon and mouth very huge. Your eyes are bedight with a red glow with the frightening frown.

Roop Matu Ko Adhika Suhava
Daras Karat Jan Ati Sukh Pave
O Mother! Your view is enchanting, the very sight of which ensures welfare of the devout.

Tum Sansar Shakti Laya Kina
Palan Hetu Anna Dhan Dina
All the powers of the world repose in thee and it is you who provide food and money for the world’s survival.

Annapurna Hui Jag Pala
Tumhi Adi Sundari Bala
Like the feeding mother Annapurna you nurture the whole universe and you are the one who appear like the timeless Bala Sundari (young girl of extreme beauty).

Pralaya Kala Sab Nashan Hari
Tum Gauri Shiv-Shankar Pyari
At the time of Dissolution it is you, O Mother, who destroys everything. You are the beloved consort of Lord Shiva, Gauri (Parvathi)

Shiv Yogi Tumhre Guna Gaven
Brahma Vishnu Tumhen Nit Dhyaye
Lord Shiva and all yogis always chant your praise, Brahma, Vishnu and all other Gods ever meditate on you.

Roop Saraswati Ko Tum Dhara
De Subuddhi Rishi Munina Ubara
You also appear in the form of Goddess Saraswati to grant wisdom to the sages and thus ensure their welfare.

Dharyo Roop Narsimha Ko Amba
Pragat Bhayin Phar Kar Khamba
O Mother Amba, it was you who appeared in the form of Narismha, sundering the pillar.

Raksha Kari Prahlaad Bachayo
Hiranakush Ko Swarga Pathayo
Thus, you saved Prahlaad and Hiranyakashyap also went to Heaven as he was killed by your hands.

Lakshmi Roop Dharo Jag Mahin
Shree Narayan Anga Samhahin
In the form of Goddess Lakshmi, O Mother, you appear in this world and repose by the side of Shree-Narayan.

Ksheer Sindhu Main Karat Vilasa
Daya Sindhu Deeje Man Asa
Dwelling on the Sea of milk, O Goddess,with Lord Vishnu, please fulfil my desires.

Hingalaja Main Tumhin Bhavani
Mahima Amit Na Jat Bakhani
O Bhavani, the famous goddess of Hingalaja is no one else but you yourself. Illimitable is your glory, defying description.

Matangi Dhoomavati Mata
Bhuvneshwari Bagala Sukhdata
You are yourself Matangi and Dhoomavati Mata. It is you who appear as Bhuvenshwari and Bagalamukhi Devi to bestow happiness to all.

Shree Bhairav Tara Jag Tarani
Chhinna Bhala Bhav Dukh Nivarani
It is you, who redeem the world, appearing in the form of Shree Bhairavi, Tradevi and Chhinamasta Devi, and end its sorrows.

Kehari Vahan Soh Bhavani
Langur Veer Chalat Agavani
Reposing Gracefully upon your vehicle of Lion. O Goddess Bhavani, you are welcomed by the brave Langur (Lord Hanuman).

Kar Main Khappar Khadag Viraje
Jako Dekh Kal Dar Bhaje
When you appear in the form of Goddess Kali with sword in one hand and a cupel in the other, even time flees in panic.

Sohe Astra Aur Trishoola
Jase Uthata Shatru Hiya Shoola
Beholding you well-armed, with a Trident in your hand, the enemy’s heart aches with the sting of fear.


Nagarkot Main Tumhi Virajat
Tihun Lok Main Danka Bajat
You also repose in the form of the Devi at Nagarkot in Kangara. Thus all the three realms shudder in the might of your glory.

Shumbhu Nishumbhu Danuja Tum Mare
Rakta-Beeja Shankhan Samhare
You slayed the demons like Shumbhu and Nishumbhu and masacred the thousand forms of the dreaded demon Raktabeeja.

Mahishasur Nripa Ati Abhimani
Jehi Agha Bhar Mahi Akulani
When the earth was severtly distressed bearing the load of the sins of the arrogant Mahishasur.

Roop Karal Kalika Dhara
Sen Sahita Tum Tin Samhara
You assumed the dreadful form of Goddess Kali and massacred him along with his army.

Pari Garha Santan Par Jab Jab
Bhayi SahayaMatu Tum Tab Tab
Thus whenever the noble saints were distressed, it is you O Mother, who came to their rescue.

Amarpuri Aru Basava Loka
Tava Mahima Sab Rahen Asoka
All the realms including the Amarpuri (divine realm) remain sorrowless and happy by your grace, O Goddess!

Jwala Main Hai Jyoti Tumhari
Tumhen Sada Poojan Nar Nari
It is the symbol of your glory that is burning brightly at Shree Jwala ji. All men and women ever worship you, O Mother!

Prem Bhakti Se Jo Yah Gave
Dukh-daridra Nikat Nahin Ave
He who sings your glory with devotion of love and sincerity remains beyond the reach of grief and poverty.

Dhyava Tumhen Jo Nar Man Lai
Janam-maran Tako Chuti Jai
He who meditates upon your form with concentration goes beyond the cycle of births and deaths.

Jogi Sur-muni Kahat Pukari
Jog Na Ho- Bin Shakti Tumhari
All the Yogis, Gods and Sages openly declare that without your favour one can’t establish communication with God.

Shankar Aacharaj Tap Keenhon
Kam Krodha Jeet Sab Leenhon
Shankaracharya had performed once a special penance called Aacharaj and by the virtue of which he had subdued his anger and desire.

Nisidin Dhyan Dharo Shankar Ko
Kahu Kal Nahin Sumiro Tum Ko
He ever worshipped Lord Shankar and never for a moment concentrated his mind on you.

Shakti Roop Ka Maram Na aayo
Shakti Gae Tab Mann Pachtayo
Since he did not realise your immense glory, his all powers waned and the repented hitherto.

Sharnagat Hui Keerti Bakhani
Jai Jai Jai Jagdamb Bhavani
Then, he sought refuge in you, chanted your glory and sang ‘victory, victory, victory’ to Thee O Jagdamba Bhavani.

Bhayi Prasanna Aadi Jagdamba
Dayi Shakti Nahin Keen Vilamba
Then, O Primal Goddesses Jagdamba ji, you were propitiated and in no time you bestowed him with his lost powers.

Mokon Matu Kashta Ati Ghero
Tum Bin Kaun Hare Dukh Mero
O Mother! Severe affictions distress me and no one except Your Honoured Self can provide relief. Please end my afflictions.

Aasha Trishna Nipat Sataven
Moh Madadik Sab Binsaven
Hopes and longings ever torture me. All sort of passions and lust torment my beart ever.

Shatru Nash Keeje Maharani
Sumiron Ekachita Tumhen Bhavani
O Goddess Bhavani! I meditate only upon you Please kill my enemies O Queen!

Karo Kripa Hey Matu Dayala
Riddhi-Siddhi De Karahu Nihala
O Merciful Mother! Show me your favour and make me feel happy by bestowing me with all sorts of riches and powers.

Jab Lagi Jiyon Daya Phal Paoon
Tumhro Yash Mai Sada Sunaoon
O Mother! May I be the receptacle of your grace as long as I live, ever recounting the feats of your glory to all.

Durga Chalisa Jo Gave
Sab Sukh Bhog Parampad Pave
This, way he who ever sings this Durga Chalisa shall ever enjoy all sorts of pleasures and shall attain the highest state in the end.
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[shivsena]

Dear pbk brothers,

Just sharing what i read on the internet.
shivsena
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WHO IS THE DIVINE MOTHER?


This introduction is a discussion about God in the feminine form - the Divine Mother. For those who are ready to go swimming in the ocean of love it may be dry reading. However, it is included here because it may be useful for some who are not familiar with the idea of a cosmic Mother. One should bear in mind that the real proof of the pudding is in the eating of it.

The Divine Mother abides in the heart of every being, universes without end. She is the divine creatrix who has manifested this country fair of consciousness as an adoration for Her beloved, the eternal formless Supreme Being – God the Father. In truth these two ancient lovers are not two. Rather, they are inseparably bound to play out their cosmic dance of love for all eternity. The Divine Mother came from nowhere meaning that there was never a time She did not exist. She is that which is immanent and accessible. Wherever there is love, compassion and mercy, we see Her direct presence. Her abode is always the present moment.

Words fail to say who or what the Divine Mother is but She can be known and experienced in a direct and personal way. This means that we cannot say for sure how big She is or where She came from or what Her ultimate form is or why She is. What we can do is enter into a relationship with Her, a communion that is very intimate, close, loving and personal. She will be our best friend and confidant and our patient teacher.

Both the creation stories in Genesis and in the Hindu Rig Veda begin with the idea of the formless, the void, and the absolute. Then creation arose (or is continually arising) out of this. The Rig Veda describes this "arising" as a divine whim or play of the Supreme. The creation that occurs is Mother (Maya), the divine whim (Shakti or power) is also Mother and the absolute formless ground of being is, again, Mother. We can grab hold of Her skirt at any point along this timeless expression of the Divine and, if we hold on tightly, She will dispel our illusions and deliver us to the blissful and peaceful realization of Divine Truth.

When the Supreme Being is thought of as actionless - neither creating, sustaining nor destroying - I call Him by the name of Brahman (pure absolute formless being) or Purusha. But when I think of him as active - creating, sustaining and destroying - I call him by the name of Shakti (Divine Mother as primal energy) or Prakriti (Divine Mother as primordial nature which, in association with Purusha, creates the universe).

The actionless Brahman and the active Shakti are in fact one and the same. He, who is the Absolute Existence-Intelligence-Bliss, is also the All-knowing, the All-intelligent and All-blissful Mother of the universe. A precious stone and its luminosity are one and the same, for you cannot imagine a diamond without it, and vice versa.

God the absolute (formless) and God the personal (Divine Mother; form) are one and the same. A belief in one implies a belief in the other. Fire cannot be thought of apart from its burning power; nor can its burning power be thought of apart from it. Thus God the absolute cannot be thought of apart from the idea of God with attributes (Mother).

For most of us, when we say "Divine Mother," we are talking about the Supreme Being as the creatrix of the universe who expresses compassion and love in a very personal, direct, and intimate way in the same way that a loving mother cares for her children.

FORMS OF THE DIVINE MOTHER

The concept of God as feminine is not new. Virtually all cultures have had a means of venerating the Supreme Being as a female form. Hindu and Buddhist cultures are rife with forms of the Divine Mother. In the Islamic tradition Allah has two principle names - Rahman and Rahim which mean Compassionate and Merciful. Both of these names are derived from the root Arabic word that denotes womb. Mahayana Buddhism recognizes the Mother as Prajnaparamita, the boundless and unfathomable Mother of all Buddhas. The early Gnostic Christians put much emphasis on the Virgin Sophia who is the feminine embodiment of Wisdom. The Chinese have Kwan Yin the Goddess of Mercy. In orthodox Judaism there is the Sabbath Queen and the feminine Shekinah. The mystical Jewish doctrine, the Holy Kabbalah, maintains that out of the Absolute emanated the three Mothers or primal elements, out of which emanated three Fathers which were primordial or spiritual air, water and fire from which came the planets and their angels. Some hold that in the Christian Holy Trinity, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, that the Holy Spirit is the feminine principle. Mother Mary, the virgin mother of Jesus, continues the presence of the Divine Mother in modern Christianity.

In the following Old Testament passage God is represented as simultaneously being both male and female:
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:27, KJV
The logic here is that mankind was created in the form of male and female and, if that is God’s image, then that means God is both male and female.

Volumes could be filled discussing the presence of the Divine Mother in all cultures from every corner of the world.

Peering back into our ancient past we see that the concept of the Divine Mother from the Indus Valley has remained intact in India to this day. The worship of Shakti, as the Divine Mother, is one of the four principle sects of Hinduism and is rich with Her influence and presence. She is also well represented in Tibetan Buddhism. Although She is only One, She appears as many forms or goddesses. Each goddess emphasizes an attribute of the one Divine Mother. This would be easy to grasp if we would consider for a moment our own earthly birth mother. When She is cooking and feeding us we might call Her Food Mother; when consoling us She is Compassion Mother; when She runs from the house with fire in Her eyes to save us from a pummeling at the hands of the neighborhood bully She is Warrior Mother; when She gives us money for the prom She is Cornucopia Mother. In the same way, centuries of contemplation by the saints on the nature of the Divine Mother have produced a marvelous and spectacular pantheon of goddesses each being a mask She wears in the drama of eternity.

The Mother is not arriving empty handed to the 21st century. She has something for all of Her children.
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[Sach_Khand]

WHO IS THE DIVINE MOTHER?
...
The Mother is not arriving empty handed to the 21st century. She has something for all of Her children.

One of the form of The divine Mother as written in the above article,
"She runs from the house with fire in Her eyes to save us from a pummeling at the hands of the neighborhood bully She is Warrior Mother".

This is what she has to give now.
:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[shivsena]

"She runs from the house with fire in Her eyes to save us from a pummeling at the hands of the neighborhood bully She is Warrior Mother".
Sanjeev.

Dear sanjeev.

Have you ever wondered who is this big bully from which the warrior mother will save us ??????

shivsena.

[Sach_Khand]

Dear sanjeev.
Have you ever wondered who is this big bully from which the warrior mother will save us ??????
shivsena.

The ego of everyone within them. This ego makes everyone to see Ram as Ravan and Krishna as kans. This ego is the main obstacle which stops us from experiencing our true self, the soul, the I. And this makes the Leela of The Lord into Maya.
:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[shivsena]

The ego of everyone within them. This ego is the main obstacle which stops us from experiencing our true self, the soul, the I.
Sanjeev.

Dear sanjeev,
What you have described that ego is the internal enemy of every soul, is known to everybody in the 3 worlds.

I wanted to know who is this external bully from whom the warrior mother is going to save the children. In the outside world the big brother is known as big bully and in todays world USA is acting as a big bully(big brother) to all the smaller nations of the world by imposing its policies on them.....so i wanted to know if there is a same relation of a big brother(Dada) bullying younger brothers in the world of Godly knowledge.

shivsena.

[shivsena]

Dear bk--pbk brothers.

Today 24th june is the day when Mama Saraswati left her body in 1965 and became avaykt karmatit farishta. I am presenting few important Murli points on the importance of recognising our true spiritual mother without the help of whom we cannot receive any inheritance from Father.

Many Murlis start with the song: "Lelo lelo duaein Maa-bap ki; sar se utregi gatri pap ki". [meaning: Take mother-Father's blessings to get rid of the impure sinful deeds"]----Who are these mother-Father combined whose blessings we have to take???....Is it not Shiva+shakti combined ???

Murlis say: "jagdamba se sarva-manokamna puri hoti hain."
[meaning: "Jagdamba fulfils all your desires"]-----so who is this jagdamba who fulfils all the desires in the end....is it Mama(kamla devi as per PBKs)...or is it Brahma(Lekhraj Kirpalani) who is considered as badi Maa.....or is it some other soul ???
Also if jagdamaba fulfils all our desires then why should we not remember her and why should we remember bindi ShivBaba.

Murlis say: "mataa guru bigar uddhar nahin". [ meaning : there is no salvation without guru-Maa "]....So who is this guru-Maa whom we have to identify before getting salvation ???....Is it brahma(Lekhraj Kirpalani) badi Maa...or is it kamla devi Maa according to PBKs.....or is it Maa adi-shakti durga ???

Murlis also say: "Mataa O mataa tu hai jagat ki bhagya-vidhata" [ meaning: O mother you are the fortune maker of the world."]....So who is this mother who is fortune maker of the world ???... Without mother's blessings one cannot get any inheritance from Father (whether it is in lokik or in alokik family). The whole lokik family is centered around mother and so is the alokik family.

There are 4 mothers in the Hindu world who have the highest position...first is the lokik mother who takes care of her children in childhood.....then is the Nature mother Earth who provides all the nourishment needed for the physical body.....then there is cow mother(gaumata) who is highly regarded and worshipped in Hindu mythology and finally there is the highest of the high spiritual mother adi-shakti Maa jagdamba(always combined with Father shiv), without recognising whom we cannot progress on the spiritual path and get a spiritual birth....so let us all think and churn about who is our real spiritual mother rather than arguing and fighting about who is prajapita brahma.

shivsena.

[Sach_Khand]

Dear sanjeev,
What you have described that ego is the internal enemy of every soul, is known to everybody in the 3 worlds.

I wanted to know who is this external bully from whom the warrior mother is going to save the children. In the outside world the big Brother is known as big bully and in todays world USA is acting as a big bully(big Brother) to all the smaller nations of the world by imposing its policies on them.....so i wanted to know if there is a same relation of a big Brother(Dada) bullying younger Brothers in the world of Godly knowledge.
shivsena.

I cannot say about this outside world.
But in the Bk world it is Ravan. But is not Dada Lekharaj. That I am sure.
:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[Sach_Khand]

Dear BK--PBK Brothers.

Today 24th june is the day when Mama Saraswati left her body in 1965 and became avaykt karmatit farishta. I am presenting few important Murli points on the importance of recognising our true spiritual mother without the help of whom we cannot receive any inheritance from Father.
Many Murlis start with the song: "Lelo lelo duaein Maa-bap ki; sar se utregi gatri pap ki". [meaning: Take mother-Father's blessings to get rid of the impure sinful deeds"]----Who are these mother-Father combined whose blessings we have to take???....Is it not Shiva+shakti combined ???

Combined Mother-Father is Prajapita Brahma. And it is the soul of Dada Lekharaj who plays that part.

Murlis say: "jagdamba se sarva-manokamna puri hoti hain."
[meaning: "Jagdamba fulfils all your desires"]-----so who is this jagdamba who fulfils all the desires in the end....is it Mama(kamla devi as per PBKs)...or is it Brahma(Lekhraj Kirpalani) who is considered as badi Maa.....or is it some other soul ???
Also if jagdamaba fulfils all our desires then why should we not remember her and why should we remember bindi ShivBaba.

Even lokik mother also fulfills many of our desires and is the cause for we being here. But still we do not remember her for our spiritual growth. But we should have respect, love and regard and gratitude for all that she has done. Similarly, we should have regards, respect, love and gratitude for all the service we get through Jagadamba, Mama Saraswati. And if we do not have this then we will not be able to proceed further in our spiritual journey. We have to get recognition from her as a good student and child. Only then can we proceed further.

Murlis say: "mataa guru bigar uddhar nahin". [ meaning : there is no salvation without guru-Maa "]....So who is this guru-Maa whom we have to identify before getting salvation ???....Is it Brahma(Lekhraj Kirpalani) badi Maa...or is it kamla devi Maa according to PBKs.....or is it Maa adi-shakti durga ???

First it is Bharat Mata, who is combination of Jagadamba (Mama Saraswati) and Eve or Adi Devi.
Then we can recognise Dada Lekharaj as our Maat-Pita, the actual Gita Maata. It is This One Who is combination Shiv-Shakti which can never be made apart. It is This One who is praised in the bhajan usually sung by Mahatma Gandhi, "Raghu - Pati Raghav, Raja Ram, Patit - Pawan Sita Ram; Ishwar Allah Tere Naam, sabko sanmati de Bhagawan."

Murlis also say: "Mataa O mataa tu hai jagat ki bhagya-vidhata" [ meaning: O mother you are the fortune maker of the world."]...So who is this mother who is fortune maker of the world ???... Without mother's blessings one cannot get any inheritance from Father (whether it is in lokik or in alokik family). The whole lokik family is centered around mother and so is the alokik family.

She is Bharat Maata.

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[shivsena]

Dear sanjeev.

You believe that DL (Krishna) is mat-pita(shiv-shakti) and i feel that Mama Saraswati is mat-pita (combined shiv-shakti)....so let us wait for a few years and see whose belief is true.

In short, i believe :
Mama Saraswati(combined shivshakti) is mata-pita(rachieta ShivBaba), who has been narrating the Murlis through DL after leaving her body in 1965 and has been narrating the avaykt Vanis through Dadi Gulzar in mt abu to enable 108 souls to achieve avaykt stage.[Murli point: "ShivBaba(ie shivshakti and not bindi shiv) is main actor--creator--director of this Sangamyugi drama"]

VD is Bharat ie Krishna baccha rachna (shyam-sunder), who has been given the role of narrating Krishna ki jhooti Gita in Sangamyugi shooting period of Dwapur and Kaliyug. His job is to seperate out the surya-vanshi dynasty(108) from chandra-vanshi dynasty(16000)

....and finally DL is satyugi prince Krishna, who has no role to play in VD after leaving his body in 1969.....he may or may not have taken birth after 1969.....and he is definitely not narrating avaykt Vanis as believed by BKs and PBKs.

This is my present belief in a nutshell.
shivsena.

[Sach_Khand]

Dear sanjeev.

You believe that DL (Krishna) is mat-pita(Shiv-shakti) and i feel that Mama Saraswati is mat-pita (combined Shiv-shakti)....so let us wait for a few years and see whose belief is true.

In short, i believe :
...
This is my present belief in a nutshell.
shivsena.

O.K. Thanks for your clear views.
What difference is their in the Krishna Bachha, Virendra Dev Dixit, and the satyugi prince Krishna, D.Lekharaj.
Is it according to the explanation of PBKs that one is Sangamyugi Krishna and another Satyugi Krishna?

:neutral:
Sanjeev.