NO EXPLANATION REQUIRED
Certainly our knowledge is based on explanation and explanation is needed for everything. Baba has explained the way to recognize the Supreme Soul among the other souls. It is when He enters in a corporeal body and imparts knowledge through the mouth that we can recognize that this knowledge cannot come by any other source, but the supreme Father. Baba has also explained that in their form all souls are alike, points of lights, the Supreme Soul also has the same form and looks the same, it is not that the Supreme Soul is bigger or smaller than any other ordinary soul. Looking at just a point of light, it is not possible to recognize if this soul is a soul of a human, a fish or a crocodile.
The light of the soul is also not some physical light, it is the light of knowledge which is emitted through a corporeal body. No knowledge can be explained or understood without a corporeal body. Baba does not teach by inspiration. And for Yoga knowledge is needed, that is the knowledge about the supreme Father, his introduction. Without a corporeal body all souls are like non-living and cannot act, cannot be revealed or recognized and this applies also to the soul of the supreme Father, who is also bound by the drama and has to come in a corporeal body, and then it is that He is revealed with His name, form, place, time and acts, that is we receive His full introduction and we remember him in an easy and natural way, because it is easy to remember something you have seen, heard etc. through your body. Baba says in the Murli...children ask how to remember, come on, I am sitting in front of you and am telling you remember me, what is the difficult thing to understand in that.
There has also been an extensive discussion with quoted points, there are dedicated topics about that, there are many points which say that we remember the soul but the body will certainly also be remembered, that a soul cannot be remembered without a body, that first the body is remembered and then the soul, and this is how we also give searchlight to others, because the soul is recognized through the body. It is certainly due to ignorance that you are speaking the way you do and trying to bring others in ignorance too. It has been explained very clearly in the Murli, that without Brahma we cannot get anything. It is difficult to remember just a point, nor can you develop love or hatred towards a point. It is with the corporeal one that one has love or hatred based on past actions, and when the supreme Father enters him, this is revealed. The remembrance in the body has been practiced all the time at the time of Brahma Baba and in the mind and hearts of the Dadis still this form appears, because remembrance is based on experience. Baba also compares many times the remembrance with the mother remembering her child, that she certainly does not remember him like a point of light, but through the body and based on her experience and not everywhere, but she knows he is in London, for example.
It is true that if we achieve subtle stage that although we may be far away it can be the same as if we are experiencing meeting face to face, but for that again the Father has come in a corporeal body. It is only after Brahma Baba had left his body that someone has invented this new way to remember only a point, because at that time the Supreme Soul was not revealed through a corporeal body. Dadi Kumarka had also come with the idea against the Shrimat that I now have direct connection with ShivBaba. No one can have direct connection with ShivBaba. Everyone has direction with ShivBaba through Brahma. This is what the knowledge says.
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“Certainly our Knowledge is based on explanation and explanation is needed for everything.”
Shiva provides the required explanation through the UNADULTERATED Knowledge, ONLY through Brahma Baba.
Ravan provides the required explanation through the ADULTERATED knowledge, ONLY through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, -Virendra Dev Dixit!
“Baba has explained the way to recognize the Supreme Soul among the other souls. It is when He enters in a corporeal body and imparts knowledge through the mouth that we can recognize that this knowledge cannot come by any other source, but the supreme Father.”
Supreme Soul enters the corporeal body of Brahma Baba and imparts the UNADULTERATED Knowledge, through which the Righteous Children Re-Cognize the Supreme Father.
Ravan, MASQUERADES as the ‘Supreme Soul’, through the corporeal body of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, and imparts the ADULTERATED knowledge, through which the BLIND Unrighteous children are TREACHEROUSLY TRICKED into DELUSIVELY believing that same originates from the Supreme Father – while the Righteous Children CLEARLY & UNMISTAKABLY Re-Cognize that same originates from Ravan, through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God –
VERY CLEAR TO THEM, NO AMBIGUITY, WHATSOEVER –
The Knowledge ITSELF is the DISCRIMINATING INSTRUMENT & a CLEAR MIRROR, with which the Righteous Children CLEARLY Re-Cognize Shiva & His ‘mukrar-rath’, on the one hand;
and Ravan & the ‘mukara-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God, on the other hand!
“Baba has also explained that in their form all souls are alike, points of lights, the Supreme Soul also has the same form and looks the same, it is not that the Supreme Soul is bigger or smaller than any other ordinary soul. Looking at just a point of light, it is not possible to recognize if this soul is a soul of a human, a fish or a crocodile.”
It is DEFINITELY IMPOSSIBLE to DISTINGUISH Supreme Soul from other souls - through JUST an
ORDINARY VISION of a POINT of Light – for embodied souls, who are STILL TRAPPED in ABJECT body-consciousness.
It is DEFINITELY
EXTREMELY EASY –
BASED ON PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE – to DISTINGUISH Supreme Soul Shiva from ANY other soul, or other souls, who may be SEEN as Points of Light – with the
Divine Vision of the THIRD EYE – for embodied souls,
who are NO LONGER TRAPPED in ABJECT body-consciousness, but who have SINCE, DEVELOPED a CERTAIN DEGREE of soul-consciousness, although STILL number-wise – having TRANSLATED the UNADULTERATED Knowledge into PRACTICAL Spiritual EXPERIENCE, in ACCORDANCE with the ACTUAL INTENT and CLEAR DIRECTIVE of Supreme Soul Shiva!
“The light of the soul is also not some physical light, it is the light of knowledge which is emitted through a corporeal body. No knowledge can be explained or understood without a corporeal body. Baba does not teach by inspiration. And for Yoga knowledge is needed, that is The Knowledge about the supreme Father, his introduction.”
The UNADULTERATED Knowledge, and ACCURATE Introduction, have ALREADY been given by the Supreme Father,
HIMSELF - ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba,
and through NO OTHER embodied soul, on this corporeal sphere.
The UNADULTERATED ‘Light of Knowledge’ is given by God THROUGH Brahma Baba.
The ADULTERATED ‘Darkness of Ignorance’, (which is DELUSIVELY considered by the BLIND PBKs to be the ‘unlimited clarifications’ of the ‘Light of Knowledge’ given through Brahma Baba), is initiated by the Godly Form of Ravan or Maya, and propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – who is, OBVIOUSLY, the bodily guru of the BLIND PBKs, -Virendra Dev Dixit!
“Without a corporeal body all souls are like non-living and cannot act, cannot be revealed or recognized and this applies also to the soul of the supreme Father, who is also bound by the drama and has to come in a corporeal body, and then it is that He is revealed with His name, form, place, time and acts, that is we receive His full introduction and we remember him in an easy and natural way, because it is easy to remember something you have seen, heard etc. through your body.”
The Supreme Father has ALREADY PERFORMED ALL ABOVE FUNCTIONS,
EXCLUSIVELY through the corporeal body of Brahma Baba. For souls who come into the Knowledge, AFTER Brahma Baba leaves his corporeal body, same is PERCEIVED by them through the corporeal bodies of instrumental souls, who have been OFFICIALLY APPOINTED by God for the CONCERNED purpose - while God CONTINUES to give them the EXPERIENCE of a ‘corporeal meeting’, when He comes in ‘Avyakt’, COMBINED with Brahma Baba, using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar. ALL the MISCONCEPTIONS of the PBKs, regarding this ‘Avyakt’ ENTRY, have ALREADY been ADEQUATELY DEALT with, SEVERAL TIMES on this forum, but the BLIND PBKs are UNABLE to absorb same, owing to their body-conscious, STONE intellects!
“Baba says in the Murli...children ask how to remember, come on, I am sitting in front of you and am telling you remember me, what is the difficult thing to understand in that.”
Meant for the initial CHILD stage of body-conscious souls, and NOT for the ADULT stage of souls, who have SINCE made necessary efforts, and DEVELOPED soul-consciousness, although STILL number-wise.
It is NOT FEASIBLE for MANY Children to sit in front of a corporeal body, ALL the TIME!!!
“There has also been an extensive discussion with quoted points, there are dedicated topics about that, there are many points which say that we remember the soul but the body will certainly also be remembered, that a soul cannot be remembered without a body, that first the body is remembered and then the soul, and this is how we also give searchlight to others, because the soul is recognized through the body.”
MEANT for the INTERACTION BETWEEN embodied souls, who are STILL body-conscious!
“It is certainly due to ignorance that you are speaking the way you do and trying to bring others in ignorance too.”
PBKs are ALREADY in EXTREME DARKNESS of ADULTERATED knowledge, and there is NO FURTHER SCOPE to CONTINUE in THAT IGNORANT DIRECTION. The ONLY HOPE for them is to TURN AROUND, and move TOWARDS the DIRECTION of the LIGHT of UNADULTERATED Knowledge – if they, AT ALL, CHOOSE to do so.
The bodily guru of the PBKs, -Virendra Dev Dixit, was THROWN OUT of the Indra Sabha, at Mt Abu, on ACCOUNT of his RANK IGNORANCE, ABJECT ARROGANCE & LASCIVIOUS VISION! And the STUPID PBKs are BLINDLY following him, VERY MUCH to their VERY OWN DETRIMENT & PERDITION!
“It has been explained very clearly in the Murli, that without Brahma we cannot get anything.”
Refers EXCLUSIVELY to the REAL ‘mukrar-rath’ of God, who is Brahma Baba;
and DOES NOT refer to the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God, and as ‘Prajapita’, etc., and making THOROUGH IDIOTS out of the BLIND PBKs!
“It is difficult to remember just a point, nor can you develop love or hatred towards a point. It is with the corporeal one that one has love or hatred based on past actions, and when the supreme Father enters him, this is revealed.”
It is difficult to remember just a Point, for souls who have NOT FOLLOWED Shrimat, and are therefore, STILL TRAPPED in body-consciousness. Love, or attachment, and hatred, are developed between embodied souls with karmic accounts to settle between themselves, based on their past interactions through corporeal bodies. Supreme Father DOES NOT have such karmic accounts to settle with ANY embodied soul, and hence the same DOES NOT apply to Him. Embodied souls, who become soul-conscious, ONCE AGAIN, although STILL number-wise, are able to DEVELOP PURE Love for God, ONCE AGAIN.
“The remembrance in the body has been practiced all the time at the time of Brahma Baba and in the mind and hearts of the Dadis still this form appears, because remembrance is based on experience.”
Same was practiced in the INITIAL stages of respective souls, in ACCORDANCE with their individual Spiritual potential and ability. Same was PROGRESSIVELY discouraged by Shiva, and His FINAL directive to ALL embodied souls, was to forget ALL BODILY BEINGS, INCLUDING one’s OWN body, and INCLUDING the corporeal or subtle forms of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God, and to consider the Self as a soul, and Remember ONLY the Supreme Soul, in His Supreme Abode or the Soul World. It is ENTIRELY up to the CONCERNED embodied souls, to follow this CLEAR DIRECTIVE of God - IF, AT ALL, they have the intention to become soul-conscious, and become pure,
WITHOUT EXPERIENCING ANY CORPOREAL or SUBTLE PUNISHMENT!
“Baba also compares many times the remembrance with the mother remembering her child, that she certainly does not remember him like a point of light, but through the body and based on her experience and not everywhere, but she knows he is in London, for example.”
ONCE AGAIN, this refers to the INITIAL CHILD stage of embodied souls, who were STILL body-conscious, and DOES NOT apply to the ADULT stage of embodied souls, who have since DEVELOPED their respective soul-conscious stages, although STILL number-wise.
Are PBKs able to get the EXACT CO-ORDINATES of the EXACT LOCATION of their bodily guru, CONTINUOUSLY, AT ANY REQUIRED TIME, from MOMENT to MOMENT, DURING the ENTIRE DAY, to be able to have CONSTANT remembrance of God, through his impure perishable corporeal body? Or, would they be remembering him, where ever he may be, with his corporeal body? So, in this case, would it be considered that he is omnipresent?
“It is true that if we achieve subtle stage that although we may be far away it can be the same as if we are experiencing meeting face to face, but for that again the Father has come in a corporeal body.”
The Supreme Father ALREADY came, and ALREADY COMPLETED His role through the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, in ‘Sakar’, in 1969. There is NO NEED for Him to CONTINUE with that SPECIFIC role, through a corporeal body, in ‘Sakar’, AFTER 1969, since He ALREADY COMPLETED giving the REQUIRED Knowledge through the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, in 1969. Thereafter, Shiva STILL CONTINUES to come, in order to give the Children an experience of a ‘Sakar Meeting’, in ‘Avyakt’,
and NOT in ‘Sakar’, through the subtle body of Brahma Baba, using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar. The MISCONCEPTIONS of the BLIND PBKs, regarding Shiva coming, along with the subtle body of Brahma Baba, AFTER 1969, using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, in ‘Avyakt’, have ALREADY been ADEQUATELY DEALT with, VERY EXTENSIVELY, on this forum - but the BLIND PBKs ARE NOT ABLE to APPRECIATE same, or RETAIN same in their intellects, owing to their ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED & INVERTED STONE intellects – ALL, PERFECTLY, AS PER DRAMA PLAN – NOTHING NEW, AT ALL!
“It is only after Brahma Baba had left his body that someone has invented this new way to remember only a point, because at that time the Supreme Soul was not revealed through a corporeal body.”
This is a CLEAR DIRECTIVE of God,
HIMSELF, to embodied souls, to enable them to DEVELOP soul-consciousness,
WITHOUT EXPERIENCING CORPOREAL PUNISHMENT. THOSE WHO ENJOY EXPERIENCING CORPOREAL PUNISHMENT, like the bodily guru of the BLIND PBKs, and the PBKs THEMSELVES, are FREE to IGNORE the DIRECTIVE of God, if they so desire, and if they feel they are MORE CLEVER THAN GOD,
HIMSELF. They would have to wait and see where this ULTIMATELY gets them! Whereas,
ACCURATE Remembrance gives INSTANT FRUIT, and NOT in the FUTURE – it is ABSOLUTELY SELF-VERIFIABLE, and TOTALLY INDEPENDENT of the personal EXPERIENCE, and personal OPINION of another individual!
The BLIND PBKs have been FOOLED by ISOLATED, EARLIER Murli Points, or Murli Points which refer to the devotees of the outer World of Ravan Rajya, and have been TRAPPED at the LEVEL of the BABY-INTELLECT, which has since DETERIORATED to STONE-INTELLECT, due to LACK of REQUIRED Spiritual DEVELOPMENT. The result is that they STILL think Brahma Baba has a BABY-INTELLECT, or that Brahma Baba is STILL a Student, or that the ‘donkey’ over the head of Ravan represents Brahma Baba, etc. - ALL OF WHICH, PROVES, BEYOND DOUBT, that the BLIND PBKs and their BLIND bodily guru, -Virendra Dev Dixit, SEE ALL OTHERS, with their INNER, INHERENT VISION of ‘BABY-HOOD’, ‘STONE-HOOD’ & ‘DONKEY-HOOD’, and TOTALLY DISREGARD the ground realities, and the Pure Versions of God in their CORRECT PERSPECTIVE!
“Dadi Kumarka had also come with the idea against the Shrimat that I now have direct connection with ShivBaba. No one can have direct connection with ShivBaba.”
Souls who are STILL TRAPPED in ABJECT body-consciousness, can NEVER EXPERIENCE a DIRECT CONNECTION with ShivBaba, UNTIL they become soul-conscious, although STILL number-wise.
Dadi Kumarka spoke through her personal experience, and did not simply express an abstract idea, as was assumed by 'MAHA-MURKH' Virendra Dev Dixit, and READILY LAPPED UP by the GULLIBLE PUPPIES, the BLIND STUPID PBKs!
“Everyone has direction with ShivBaba through Brahma. This is what The Knowledge says.”
ALL the Righteous Children received, and STILL RECEIVE, directions from ShivBaba, THROUGH Brahma Baba, who is the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God.
Whereas, the BLIND Unrighteous children receive their directions from the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – having been TREACHEROUSLY TRICKED into DELUSIVELY believing that such directions originate from God!!!
ONCE one DEVELOPS soul-consciousness,
THEN, and ONLY THEN, can one ABSOLUTELY Re-Cognize God, the way He ACTUALLY is, ALSO a POINT source of Luminous Spiritual Light Energy, from among INNUMERABLE OTHER souls, who are ALSO Points of Luminous Spiritual Light Energy –
by VIRTUE of the POWERFUL SPIRITUAL VIBRATIONS EMANATING from Him, which CLEARLY DISTINGUISH HIM from ALL OTHER souls, who are ALSO Points of Luminous Spiritual Light Energy. Whereas, He is the ONLY ONE who is ACTUALLY TRANSMITTING the Spiritual Vibrations, ALL OTHERS would ONLY be receiving same.
God, HIMSELF, has been CONTINUOUSLY PROVIDING a FULL, COMPLETE & UNADULTERATED Introduction of Himself - having PROGRESSIVELY REFINED SAME - through the SMs & AVs, spoken through the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba.
INNUMERABLE Points have been ALREADY HIGHLIGHTED on this forum,
and CONTINUE to be HIGHLIGHTED, with UNADULTERATED UNLIMITED CLARIFICATIONS of the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge of God, revealed through Brahma Baba.
But SUCH CLARIFICATIONS would OBVIOUSLY be MEANINGLESS to individuals with DONKEY intellects, whose Spiritual frequency is CLEARLY 180 Degrees OUT of PHASE. Hence these UNADULTERATED UNLIMITED CLARIFICATIONS are CLEARLY NOT MEANT for SUCH souls with DONKEY intellects, who should SIMPLY IGNORE them, and HAPPILY CONTINUE with their USUAL DONKEY-HOOD, as per their destined roles and designated spiritual affinity.
NO OFFENCE INTENDED to them, WHATSOEVER! Those who have DECIDED, and those who may DECIDE in FUTURE, to SURRENDER their ARROGANCE of DONKEY-HOOD, may like to BEGIN to CONSIDER these UNADULTERATED UNLIMITED CLARIFICATIONS, being provided herein, for their VERY OWN BENEFIT & UPLIFT -
if, AT ALL, they so desire!
Also view point 3 of the post dated 19.06.2017, and point 3 of the post dated 20.06.2017, in links below –
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2602&p=53057#p53057
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2602&p=53062#p53062
ACCORDING to the RELEVANT PROCESS of REMEMBRANCE ACTUALLY EMPLOYED, SO WILL BE the ACTUAL RESULT EXPERIENCED, by the CONCERNED souls – NUMBER-WISE! VERY SIMPLE, INDEED!