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# Flaw No. 587) Even without entrance of Shiva, PBKs give title "BRAHMA" to "BK Mama (Om Radhe)":-

575) According to PBKs, the number of Brahmas are five (4 + 1). And, they claim for a physical personality to be called as Brahma, incorporeal God Shiv should enter in that personality. Now, the five PBK Brahmas are ...

--Mr Dixit (shown as head of/in Vishnu). The other four Brahmas are-

---Brahma Baba
---BK Mama
---ex PBK Kamala Devi
---BK sister Vedanti. [These four are shown as four hands of Vishnu. PBKs claim Mr. Dixit is the head and controls/uses these four hands*].

576)But, PBKs never show God entering in BK Mama. They claim SS Shiv did not officially enter BK Mama from 1936 till 1965(till she left her corporeal body)So- without entrance of God, how can they give title Brahma to her?

According to PBKs, BK Mama did not take corporeal body after 1965. Then how can she be called as Brahma as per PBK(or any) theory?

*577)Ironically, none of these hands are seen as being controlled by Mr. Dixit.

PBKs claim B Baba(Bull) controlling/riding on Mr. Dixit since at least 1976 till date.
PBKs also agree Kamala devi left Yagya after losing faith and they call her false Gita.
PBKs also say- Sister Vedanti is yet to understand advance knowledge.
PBKs do not say much about BK Mama.

So- how come Mr Dixit is controlling the/his hands?
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# Flaw No. 588)PBKs inadvertently imply - PBK Adi Brahma gave birth only to shudras:-

578)While preaching, PBKs say- it was through MOUTH/MUKH of PBK Adi Brahma (the manipulated PBK sister) first PBK brahmin (manipulated Sevakram) got created. But, here, he says different.
Mr. Dixit c/o arjun wrote: 578) From viewtopic.php?f=2&t=203&p=48284&hilit=Jail#p48284

VCD No.564, C.No.1050, Bahadurgarh,
Mu.05.06.67, Dt.01.12.06
Part-3

Only the Brahmins are entitled to take this knowledge. .... This is why, it was said, I come and narrate the knowledge only to the Brahmins. I don’t narrate [the knowledge] to the Shudras . It means all were Shudras in the beginning of the Yagya. What were all before 47? They were Shudras. Later on, through Dada Lekhraj Brahma alias the soul of Krishna He played the part in the form of a mother, gave the basic knowledge, then what did everyone become from a Shudra? [They became] Brahmins. They became Brahmins number wise (at different levels). ...
578)Mr. Dixit says- till 1947, all had been shudras. So, the imaginary sister whom PBKs call Adi Brahma(sometimes real Brahma too) gave birth only to Shudras?

So- did initial PBK personalities (Sevakram, and so-called manipulated Gitamata) created only shudras from 1937 till 1947?

579)Interstingly, Mr. Dixit here forgot and openly admitted- Brahmins were created through mouth/mukh of Dada Lekhraj (B Baba), not by PBK Brahma or PBK Prajapita! [Usually PBKs criticize BKs by saying - "You are kukh_vamshavalis, not mukh_vamshavalis".

Surprising, is it not? Sometimes unknowingly, even a thief speaks truth. Similarly, Mr. Dixit spoke/admitted braahmins were created through mouth of Dada Lekhraj (B Baba).
arjun wrote:(in the same above discusiion) The one who accepts the words that come out of the mouth of Brahma is a Brahmin and the one who does not accept the words that came out from the mouth of Brahma is not the mouth born progeny Brahmin at all. ...
580)Here, Mr. Dixit admits that if one accepts the words it is enough to get eligibility of mouth born progeny, no need to be physically hear from the mouth! (again spoke truth unknowingly].
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# Flaw No. 589)Mr. Dixit DIRECTLY blames God HIMSELF:-

# Flaw No. 590)Mr. Dixit inadvertently imply - Words that came through his mouth are not 100% TRUTH:-
arjun wrote: (in the same discussion of previous post) Whatever He narrated through the body of Brahma was not the truth. It will not be said to be the 100% truth. Why? The listeners listened to [it] and the narrators narrated [it] but nobody understood the meaning of each and every sentence. So, when they did not understand it and were not able to explain it to the others, then [it means] the truth did not sit in their intellect. This is why, it was said, I come and narrate the knowledge only to the Brahmins. I don’t narrate [the knowledge] to the Shudras .
581) Mr. Dixit is becoming so silly- that he blames God HIMSELF for the mistake/weakness of the children. If the children did not understand, how can he say God's words are not truth?

This is the attitude of Mr. Dixit. When his plans fail, he puts blame on others. Mr. dixit had to declare his own number one Brahma Gitamata as False Gita!

Now- he says- God's words cannot be called as 100% TRUTH! Is there any limit for misconduct of Mr. Dixit?(even when he admits it was God HIMSELF who spoke through B Baba) His gullible followers still nod their head to their bodily Guru.


582)But, Mr. Dixit is so fool that he fell into his own pit like Bhasmaasur, because the same statement equally applies to his teachings as well, is it not?
We can see many words that have came through his own mouth have proven to be totally false, utter non-sense and lies. Just a sample - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2593&p=55222&sid=a ... 970#p55222

--His followers even today do not know properly or uderstand what he says. He himself do not know what he says.
--And- his own declared number one PBK Brahma ex PBK Kamala Devi failed to realize the truth, and left PBK Yagya. So, she too did not realize it.

So, indirectly as well as directly Mr. Virendra Dev Dixit is admitting/declaring that words that came out through his own mouth are obviously not fit to be called as 100% TRUTH.
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# Flaw No. 591)PBKs inadvertently imply- Ranks of PBKs are inferior to BKs:-

From - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2519&sid=a69c05440 ... 286#p44413
arjun wrote:Similarly, Didi Manmohiniji was made the head of BKWSU after the demise of Brahma Baba as per the first Avyakt Vani, but she could not assert herself and Dadi Prakashmani who was supposed to be her assistant usurped the power. So, one can assume the religions of these souls from Copper Age. Buddhist and Islamic respectively
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arjun wrote:Om Shanti. PBKs believe that there are three souls responsible for establishing every religion.

One is the soul of the religious Father (for example, Buddha) that comes to this corporeal world from the Soul World in the Copper Age.

It enters in the body of someone (Siddharth) who had been a BK in the Confluence Age and was the root of that religion (Buddhism) among the BKs. Obviously Siddharth would be the soul of Manmohini Didi in whom the soul of Buddha enters. So, she happens to be the root soul of that religion among the BKs.

Well, if there is a root, there should be a seed as well. So, the soul that gives birth to Didi Manmohini's body (Siddharth) in the Copper Age is the seed of that religion among the PBKs in the Confluence Age.

The root soul and the seed soul of every religion enters the path of knowledge in the Confluence Age in the form of a BK and a PBK respectively for a long time and hence becomes a deity in the Golden Age and Silver Age.

But the soul of the religious Father of every religion obtains knowledge only in the end of the Confluence Age and hence descends from the Soul World only in the Copper Age or Iron Age when it is scheduled to come.
583)Mr. Dixit had said earlier whose ranks are higher/better are declared first in lowkik Universities, their results would be declared first. He applied the same theory even here. This is put in flaw No. 172 - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51147&hilit ... cf8#p51147

Now- here also- Mr. Dixit has have identified/declared the BK souls (so-called root souls). But, so far could not declare/identify who the "so-called seed souls" would be.

So, ONCE AGAIN - result of the BK souls are declared earlier than the PBKs souls. So- obviously, and inadvertently, PBKs are implying that the rank of PBKs is weaker than BKs.


# Flaw No. 592) Mr. Dixit loses position of Chariot by his own SEED LOGIC:-

584)Intention of Mr. Dixit is to depict BK souls scapegoat. His aim is to criticize BK souls.
For example, according to this logic- When Jesus Christ is put on the cross, the one who experiences pain is the BK soul. [Of course, Murli has clearly said- the Chariot/body in whom soul of Christ enters would be from sanaatan religion (means Hinduism), - but never said whether it is any ordinary BK soul or Dadis, Didis, etc- not sure. At many places, Baba uses word Sanaatan for Hinduism. If it is said as "Adi Sanaatan..." in Murlis, then it means DEITY religion]

585)But, let us accept this PBK logic for the time being. Then - the soul that descends from Paramdham (for the purpose of creating new religion) enters into the body of the ROOT soul, not the SEED SOUL. So- the position of Chariot goes to BK(root) souls, not to PBK(seed) souls.

So- PBKs will have to agree- Supreme Father enters ROOT SOUL (B baba) not seed soul (Mr. Dixit).

So- Mr. Dixit loses position of Chariot.

586)If Mr. Dixit likes to take position of Chariot, he will have to agree that he is NOT a SEED SOUL.
So- while trying to grab all the positions- "Chariot, seed", etc. Mr. Virendra Dev Dixit failed everywhere.
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# Flaw No. 593)PBKs inadvertently imply - they are not advanced:-

587)Baba says in Murli- Murli symbol(given to deity Srikrishna) is greater than the ARROW/BOW symbol (given to deity Ram). Because Murli is coolness (or say double light), whereas arrow represents effortmaking stage or some sort of tiredness. But, the PBK teaching goes against the Murli points. Now-

From here - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=203&hilit=mother&si ... 440#p48790
VCD No.309, C.No.793, Patna (Bihar),
Mu.31.12.66, Dt.27.09.05
Part-5

...क्योंकि भगवान शिव आते हैं तो तीन मूर्तियों के द्वारा प्रत्यक्ष होते हैं। ब्रह्मा, विष्णु और शंकर। ब्रह्मा की मूर्ति उसके द्वारा ज्ञान सुनाते हैं। विष्णु की मूर्ति उसके द्वारा प्रैक्टिकल कर्म सिखाते हैं, और शंकर की मूर्ति उसके द्वारा ज्ञान का ताण्डव नृत्य करते हैं। कैसा नृत्य? ताण्डव। ताड माना पिटार्इ। किसकी पिटार्इ? ब्रह्मा के द्वारा जितना मीठा ज्ञान सुनाया जाता है... ब्रह्मा वही आत्मा है जो सतयुग के आदि में हे कृष्ण नारायण वासुदेव जिसको कहा जाता है इसलिए कृष्ण के हाथ में मुरली दी जाती है। मीठी तान सुनाने की यादगार। और राम को बाण दिये जाते हैं या शंकर के मंदिर में नगाड़ा दिया जाता है। जैसे बादलों की गड़गड़ाहट की आवाज होती हो, या डमरु दिया जाता है गड़गड़ाहट की आवाज वाला कर्कश आवाज। मुरली की तरह मीठी आवाज नहीं। किनके लिए? है तो वही एक ही वाणी। कोर्इ को मीठी लगती है, और कोर्इ को गड़गड़ाहट की आवाज लगती है, कडुवी लगती है। नगाड़े की तीखी आवाज लगती है। तीखी आवाज उनको लगती है जिन्हों के जन्म जन्मांतर के खराब कर्म हुये हैं और यहाँ ब्राह्मण बनने के बाद भी उन्होंने र्इश्वरीय ज्ञान को महत्व नहीं दिया। ज्ञान कुछ और कहता है वो कर्म कुछ और उल्टे करते हैं। ज्ञान कुछ और बोलता है वो वाचा भी उल्टा बोलते हैं। तो ऐसी आत्मायें जो भगवान बाप की वाणी को पूरा ग्रहण नहीं कर पाती, उनको भगवान की वाणी कर्कश लगती है।

Yes, the ones who become the children of the Amarnath Father remain immortal. It is because when God Shiva comes, He is revealed through the three personalities (murti): Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar. Through the personality of Brahma He narrates the knowledge, through the personality of Vishnu He teaches actions in practice and through the personality of Shankar he performs the tandav dance . What kind of dance? Tan dav. Tad means ‘beating’. Beating whom? The sweeter the knowledge is narrated through Brahma ... Brahma is the very soul who is called ‘He Krishna Narayan Vasudev’ in the beginning of the Golden Age. That is why Krishna is given a flute (Murli) in his hands. It is a memorial of playing the sweet tune. And Ram is given arrows or a drum, [which makes] a sound like the rumbling of clouds, is placed in the temple of Shankar or he is given a damru , which makes a rumbling sound, a harsh sound. It is not a sweet sound like that of a flute. For whom? It is the same Vani. Some find it sweet and some find it to be a rumbling sound; they find it bitter, they find it to be the sharp sound of a drum. Those who find it to be a sharp sound, have committed bad deeds birth after birth and here, even after becoming Brahmins, they did give importance to the knowledge of God. Knowledge says something and they do something opposite to it. Knowledge says something and they say something opposite to it. So, the souls who are unable to grasp the Vani of God the Father completely find His Vani to be harsh.
588)PBKs NEVER use the word BK for themselves. They use only PBK. So, they do some manipulation or bifurcation before using that title to claim that they are following the (so-called) advance knowledge. They frequently say- "CLARIFICATION of Murlis". That is perfectly right (as per PBK theory).
Sometimes PBKs say - "PBK Murlis". This word too is not appropriate (from their own claims), but still OK.

589)But, they use the words- ShivBaba's "Murli" for their teachings. Is this not total foolishness or hypocrisy? Because -
PBKs agree words that come through mouth of B Baba are "ShivBaba's Murlis".
Now- if they say words that come out from mouth of Mr. Virendra Dev Dixit are also the fit to be called as SAME, they inadvertently imply- their teaching level is DEFINITELY "NOT ADVANCED" when compared to BKs.
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# Flaw No. 594)PBKs do not use the symbols they claim:-

591)Logically, speaking, as per above quote/claim, Mr. dixit should use words such as- "ShivBaba's Arrow, Ram's arrow, ShivBaba's drum, or Shankar's drum, Nagaadaa, etc. (in addition to word "Clarification of Murlis") - as heading in their teachings or posts or VCDs.".

592)But, they do not use such words even to 1%. This mplies- PBKs do not believe even to 1% what they speak.

On one hand, PBKs criticize BKs for not using word PRAJAPITA (but BKs put the word Prajapita Brahmakumaris in their names of organization everywhere). But, no PBK uses the name bow, arrow, drum, nagaadaa, etc. for their teachings. Does it not clearly imply that- when they point one finger towards BKs, the other four fingers are pointing to them only?

592)BKs stick to word Murli, because that is one of the highest symbols for them. But, when in PBK view- other symbols are greater, why do they stick to a symbol what they consider to be a lower onel? - :laugh:

So- PBKs clearly prove themselves as they are only duplicate people or spiritual prostitues. Because they do not have anything of their own. They claim some extraordinary titles, but use titles of others only.
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# Flaw No. 595)Mr. Dixit cannot give any symbol of knowledge to the PBK MURTIS

593)Further- In the above discussion, Mr. Dixit was addressing three personalities BVS, and three symbols (Murli, BOW, and DRUM) together.
Mr. Dixit took the latter two symbols for himself, and gave the former to B Baba. So- his Vishnu did not get any symbol of knowledge. So- there is no match here.
Also- his so-called Adi Brahma ex PBK kamala Devi too did not get any symbol.

594)Mr. Dixit may give/show violin to their Adi Brahma(not sure). But, it then logically goes against his own teaching.
Because then Mr. Dixit will either have to agree that his teachings are next to her or will have to give series of lectures on what she spoke and prepare VCDs like - "Clarificiation of VIOLIN", etc. too. - :laugh:
So- it is clear that Mr. Dixit does not really give any practical position to even any of the PBKs. He uses PBKs just as scapegoats.

595)For BKs, both violin and the Murlis are symbols of knowledge with Murli higher one. Violin fits for Mama perfectly as she has explained the knowledge very well to other children in the early/baby stage/period of Yagya.
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Flaw No. 596)Default PBK view = None of the PBKs including Mr. Dixit will be qualified for all the symbols/positions:-

596)Of the four arms shown to Vishnu which represent two of Sri Lakshmi and two of Sri Narayan, and the four symbols CONCH (self realization and giving knowledge), DISC (self realization and churning the knowledge), MACE ((fight and victory over Maya/vices) andLOTUS (detachment/purity). - BKs believe- every BK is elgible for all these symbols numberwise*.

There are four subjects, viz- KNOWLEDGE, Yoga/Yaad, DHAARNA(inculcation), and SERVICE.

The different symbols and decorations shown for the deities reperesent different aspects.
In BK view- the symbols of knowledge are flute, violin, disc/swastic, trishul, point, etc.
The other symbols are result of the knowledge.
In BK view- the conch, damru, bell, nagaadaa, etc- fall in the same category- the service of giving knowledge/message.

597)But, in PBK view- symbol of knowledge means- flute, bow, damru, and nagaada only. [as per from flaw No. 588]. PBKs do not show- The other symbols as result of knowledge. Moreover Mr. Dixit has bifurcated even here.

According to him, in the four armed Vishnu, Mr. Dixit is the head, and the four hands are/represent CONCH (Sister BK Vedanti), DISC (Mama), MACE (B Baba), and LOTUS (ex PBK Kamala Devi).

598)So- according to PBKs, one who is elgible for the lotus symbol cannot be qualified for the disc symbol?! One who is qualified for one symbol is not fit for other symbols? This is what the PBK theory inadvertently implies.


*599) In BK view, except for the symol "Murli/FLUTE", any BK is eligible for all the symbols- numberwise. Because it represents the Chariot. [But, even for the Murli, baba says- "You also become master MURLIDHAR". So, any BK is still elgible to be close to that symbol as well.]

But, in PBK view- one who is seated on lotus, is shown AS IF - not at all eligible for the DISC seat/role - due to the BIFURCATION theory.

600)So- even Mr. Dixit seems to be not eligible for all the positions/symbols.

Also- his words clearly show how much hatredness he had for the symbol Murli. He does not like to take that position/symbol.


As already said- Of all the positions, Mr. Dixit does not like to take position of BRAHMA and MOTHER. This also shows how much hatredness or weakness he has for THESE positions.

He shows himself eligible for positions Shankar as well as Vishnu post- but not Brahma!
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Flaw No. 597)Applying Bhakti in KNOWLEDGE instead of OTHERWISE- clear demo of INVERTED INTELLECT :-

601)Baba says- Absorb (essence of) knowledge from Bhakti scriptures/traditions/rituals, etc.
But, PBKs do just the opposite in most of the cases. They try to search (and apply) Bhakti in knowledge. A tip of the iceberg can be seen here.
sita wrote:From - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2593&p=55255&sid=b ... d3e#p53167
You have rightly pointed out that before becoming a brahmin everyone is Shudra. When the Supreme Soul comes all are shudras. He takes shudras and makes them into brahmins. This is the first machinery . Then he teaches the brahmins to make them deities – this is the second machinery.

In the outside world it is only the brahmins who can wear yagyopavit...
602)Instead of finding knowledge in scriptures/rituals, PBKs take them FOR GRANTED and claim them as they are 100% TRUTH even when they go against Murli points and even lowkik beliefs.
[In lowkik scriptures it is said - till Upanayan/Brahmopadesh/Yagyopavit ritual, there is no difference between a lowkik braahmin child and a Shudra. In otherwords, a braahmin (by physical) birth is Shudra only. Because intellectually, there is no difference between a braahmin child and any of the rest.]

603)But, PBKs go opposite here. Do PBKs say- till a BK becomes PBK, his intellect has not been filled by knowledge, or the effort has ZERO value? If they say YES, then how do they believe a BK (even if does not become PBK) becomes eligible to become deity? How do they believe BKs get entry to Golden Age (even if they do not become PBK till TOO LATE board). How do they claim BK Vedanti sister to be called as "REVEALED" in 1976 itself and how can they show her as couple of Mr. Dixit since 1976 itself (even in subtle sense)? [Because the Murli point of 1966 says - in 10 years Kingdom of LN will begin, not of just N(Narayan). ].

604) In lowkik world, yagyopavit is wore by only male brahmins, not female braahmins. So- do PBKs apply it here?

605)And, in lowkik, the same braahmin male(kumar) has to wear second thread/yagyopavit during his (and thereafter till death) marriage. Do PBKs apply or discuss even this here?
In lowkik, wearing the second thread is not considered as another birth.
--And- after wearing the secind thread, he is permitted to have physical relation with his wife.
Do PBKs address this too?

606)So- if we try to apply the Bhakti tradition "HU BA HU = AS IT IS" , and proceed ignoring the Murli points, we will become only bhagats or shudras.

So- on the basis of Murli points and logic, we have to discuss Bhakti traditions/rituals, not vice-versa.

607) Similarly, Mr. Dixit gives more importance to CORPOREAL than the INCORPOREAL due to this/his inverted intellect. This resulted in opposite practice of Yaad too.

--For example, Baba says- "Avyakt may rahkar vyakt may aavo= While being in Avyakt stage, come in vyakt".
--But, Mr. Dixit teaches opposite- "While being in(holding on to) vyakt/corporeal/body practice Avyakt stage. "

----Logically saying it is correct to say- "Holding on to (a firm position in) the shore, step into water". But, Mr Dixit's teaching are like- Holding on to water, attempt to come to shore!
----Logic says- "Extract gold(if any) from the iron". But, Mr. Dixit's teachings imply- "Extract Iron from even from the gold", or "convert even the gold into Iron".

608)That's why in the attempt to apply Bhakti(Iron) in knowledge(gold), PBKs like to highlight simple mistakes even in God's Yagya and commit the highest bluders of neglecting and misinterpreting Godly versions.

So-for PBKs , Iron(Bhakti or physical body) is more important than gold (knowledge, Soul).
This is clearly visible in their writings. This resulted in depicting Shivling and Shankar as weakest memorials (in PBK view ONLY)

Flaw No. 598) PBKs inadvertently imply- Shivling and Shankar are WEAK yaadgaars/memorials [/color]:-

609) According to PBKs, Shivling represents TWO souls= SS Shiv plus Mr. Dixit. They say- the point/dot on the ling represents Shiv and the body of the ling represents Dixit.
[But, Murli clearly says- Shivling represents Supreme Soul Shiv only. The highest memorial in the universe. So, actually it refers to only one soul].

---According to PBKs, Shankar's picture represents THREE souls - Shankar plus Bull plus Shiv. [They say- Body of Shankar represents Dixit, half moon on the head represents Bull(B Baba) and the dot on the forehead of Shankar represents SS Shiv].

---So, this implies- Yaadgaar of Shiv and Shankar are one of the weaker ones. Because Sri Lakshmi, Sri Narayan, Sri Krishna, Sri Ganesh, etc, - all are worshipped as SINGLE PERSONALITY.

---But- as per PBK theory, neither Shiv, nor Shankar are fit to be worshipped as SINGLE personality. So- as SINGLE, they have no place at all!

610)Also- in the yaadgaar of Shankar, there is half moon on his head- which PBKs claim it is Bull riding/controlling Mr. Dixit.

So- even in the yaadgaar/memorial of Shankar, he is being controlled. So- the EFFORTMAKING STAGE is worshipped. [actually, complete/pure stage only is worship-worthy].

611)Also- this implies- PBK Shankar never becomes complete. Because in the statue of Shankar moon is always shown on head.


So- PBKs themselves imply- Mr. Dixit's memorial is the weakest ones.
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Flaw No. 599)A Murli point which directly proves - Mr. Dixit cannot be next to God:-


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तुम्हारी है सच्ची गीता, जो बाप सुनाते हैं। भगवान निराकार को ही कहा जाता है। आत्मा निराकार ‘गॉड फादर’ को बुलाती है। वहाँ तुम आत्मायें रहती हो। तुमको ‘परमात्मा’ थोड़ेही कहेंगे। परमात्मा तो एक ही है ऊंच ते ऊंच भगवान - फिर सब हैं आत्मायें, बच्चे। सर्व का सद्गति दाता एक है - फिर हैं देवतायें। उनमें भी नम्बरवन है कृष्ण क्योंकि आत्मा और शरीर दोनों पवित्र हैं।

“Yours is the TRUE Gita, which the (Incorporeal) Father (Shiva) speaks to you. ONLY the Incorporeal One is called ‘Bhagwan’ (God). Souls call out to Incorporeal ‘God Father’ (Shiva). You souls reside there (in the Soul World). You would NOT be called ‘Parmatma’ (‘Supreme Soul’). There is ONLY ONE Supreme Soul – who is ‘Bhagwan’ (God), the Highest-on-High. Then there are all the souls, who are His children. The Bestower of Salvation for ALL is One - and then there are the Deities. Out of all of them, Krishna is NUMBER ONE, because that SOUL and BODY- both are pure.

This Murli point clearly says- the personality Krishna whose both soul and body are pure is next to God.

PBKs claim- the so-called "Confluence Aged Krishna" is next to God. But, ShivBaba clearly says- Krishna, one whose both soul and body are pure (Golden Aged Krishna) is "next to God". So- Mr. Dixit cannot be eligible to that place. Because according to PBK philosophy, when Mr. Dixit's body becomes pure, he will be called as First Narayan of Golden Age and will give birth to first prince Sri Krishna.
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Flaw No. 600)PBKs inadvertently imply- If fools do not know, even the gyaanis should not know:-


Flaw No. 601)PBKs inadvertently imply- Ghosts have birthdate, their entrance/birthday can be predicted and celebrated too!:-

613)Mr. Dixit is copying from Bhakti as said in in flaw No. 597. This is another one.

In Murlis, ShivBaba has clearly said write- Trimurti ShivJayanti. So, BKs are using the word Jayanti/birth. This will help in giving message that God descends/comes, enters a physical body, so easy to speak about INCARNATION.
But, Mr. Dixit says- word JAYANTI is wrong. So- not only he is acting superior to ShivBaba, but also AGAINST ShivBaba.

614)From - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=203&p=47085&hilit=p ... ebe#p47079
arjun wrote:The Brahmins who obtain incomplete knowledge celebrate Mahashivratri or Shivjayanti on the day of Shivrarti since after the year [19]36 by copying [the people of] the world.
615)BKs celebrate on that day so that it is easy to do Godly service. Not for self.
BKs also celebrate new year day. But, with the intention to give message of New Age (nav yug= Golden Age). It is not copying with blind faith like PBKs copy from Bhakti people.
VCD No.1393, dated 23.11.10 at Satna,
Clarification of Murli dated 20.12.68
Part-3
Then that night of darkness of ignorance is called Mahashivratri. Nobody knows that this is the time of Shiv Jayanti (birth of Shiv). This is why nobody celebrates Shivjayanti in the path of Bhakti (devotion). What do they celebrate? (Everyone said: Shivratri.) They celebrate Shivratri (night of Shiv).
616)Mr. Dixit wrongly criticizes that BKs are copying from lowkik people as explained above. But, he can copy from Bhakti traditons! Like the parrot sitting on the tap uttering the words - "do not sit on the tap". Just double standards.

617)Mr. Dixit is also implying - If Bhakti people do not know when God comes, even the knowledgeful people (BKs) also should not know! It is like saying- "If a fool/someone does not know, nobody should know". What a great judgement/conclusion! - :laugh:
If they are asked, why do you celebrate this festival on the day of Shivratri only? How did you come to know that God comes on this very day of Shivratri? Then they cannot tell about it because nobody comes to know of the time of God’s arrival at all.

617)In every centre, BKs will be doing service, not with the intention of celebration. No God will come in every centre.
Of course, in Madhuban during Avyakt BapDada's meeting, BKs know the exact date and (approximate) time. The EXACT time of entrance of BapDada in Dadi Gulzar is not known. There will be few seconds/minutes difference. But, no one is bothered or has recorded the instant of entrance in dairy so far.
So- why should PBKs bothered about it?
Arey, when ghosts and spirits and human souls enter [in other human beings], everyone comes to know that a ghost or spirit has entered in him. The facial expressions change.
618)So- does anyone celebrate Jayanti of ghosts in the path of Bhakti? This is the issue what Mr. Dixit had taken above. So-
By criticizing the Avyakt BapDada's meeting in Dadi Gulzar as Ghost birth (entance of Ghost), PBKs inadvertently imply- in the path of bahkti, people also celebrate jayanti/birthday of ghosts. He is also implying the ghost's entrace can be predicted as well in Bhakti/lowkik world.
Then according to this, lowkik calendars should mark birthdates of some ghosts just like they mark birthdates of Shiv and Krishna.*

Human souls have a subtle body. Subtle body is burdened with the sins of many births. This is why it keeps wandering. In whichever human being such burdened soul enters, the soul of that person is suppressed; even to the extent that he loses his own awareness. For example, when a human soul Brahma enters in Gulzar Dadi, she loses her awareness. All the facial expressions change.
619)PBKs say- Bull (B Baba) rides on Mr. Dixit and misuses him occasionally or many times. So-how many PBKs have noticed change in facial expressions in Dixit?

PBKs also say- in some incidents, the Bull had misused body of Dixit to the extent that sometimes he even slapped some sister during amrutvela. So- has anyone noticed any change in facial expressions of Mr. Dixit at least during such CLEAR incidents?

* 620)In lowkik calendars, date of Shiv_Ratri is marked just like Krishn Jayanti. So- dates for both are marked in the calender. So- where does comparision of Mr. Dixit stand?
Or is Mr. Dixit implying here - for Shivratri, the date can be known/predicted/marked, but not to ShivJayanti? - :laugh:

621)Mainly/Usually, Baba is saying about the exact instant/ghadi** of birth/entrance here. For Krishna, in lowkik, people give both date and instance of birth in calendars.
But, for Shiv, the exact instance is not known. Because HE does not come out of womb like corporeal Krishna. Krishna's birth(coming out of the womb) is visible. But, Shiva's birth/entrance into the body is INVISIBLE.

**622)Of course, in some Murlis, Baba also says about tithi, taareekh = instance and date- both. Because even the date for first entrance of Shiv in B baba is not exactly known or not recorded, not understood. Because all were like babies, and the initial process would be obviously unique.
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Flaw No. 602)Why PBKs do not give EXACT birthdate or INSTANT for Sri Krishna?:-

623)Mr. Dixit gave title Krishna to B baba from 1936 (to mis-interpret the Murli points as already said earlier)

In flaw No. 171, - viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=51147&hilit ... 33e#p51147) Mr. Dixit had said Krishna Jayanti had already occurred in 1936 itself.
Now- as per his own argument (= "Date/instant of krishn jayanti is known"- due to mis-interpretation of the Murli point) , he should be able to give the the exact date/instant too when B Baba realized he would become G Aged Krishna. But, he only said year as 1936.
So- in his own view, he failed to give the date/instant.

624)PBKs give three dates for Shiv:
--First Putting seed in the womb(1936),
---then/second womb becoming matured(1976), and
---the third is final revelation - in front of 7 billion souls - (2016/2018).
So- in their own view, there should be THREE dates for SS Shiv. And, all of them should be marked in lowkik calendars too, is it not.

625)BTW- What do PBKs say about the lowkik date for Shivratri? Do they relate it for the first process, second or third one?

626)PBK funny theory/logic:-
---PBKs claim date of Shiv is not known, cannot be predicted- but they themselves give three dates/years! (But, even the last one (2018) failed. So will fourth date come? )
---PBKs claim- date/instant of birth of Krishna is known. But, they mention year only.

627)So- by mis-interpreting the Murli points, Mr. Dixit and his followers fell into their own pit, as usual. Let us hope that at least before too late, intellect of at least some PBKs will open (if in drama).
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Flaw No. 603)The PBK usage of the slogan - "Nar se Narayan, Nari se Lakshmi" fails in their own view:-

628)Baba says the slogans -
---Transformation from "Nar se Narayan, nari se lakshmi = Man to Narayan, woman to Lakshmi".
---Transformation from "beggar to prince".
---Transformation from "humans/manushy to deities/devta".

All these slogans indicate one and the same thing- as implied in the third.

629)But PBKs manipulate the first slogan. They argue with literal meaning of the words for the sole purpose to claim that "Iron Aged man DIRECTLY becomes Golden Aged Narayan WITHOUT passing through the childhood/prince stage".
PBKs usually press/shout this slogan on BKs and argue- "Baba has said - Nar/man se/to Narayan, not Krishn. So- we should transform from Kaliyugi man to (directly) Golden Aged Narayan without becoming Sri Krishn".

630)But, they then violate the second slogan. Because the second slogan clearly says about childhood/prince stage.

631)But, PBKs fail/violate their own claims too. Because in PBK view- "women PBKs in Rudramala will become male deities in Golden Age. [Similarly, some male brahmins in Vijayamala will become female deities in Golden Age].

So- where does their argument of "Woman to Lakshmi" or "Man to Narayan" stand?

632)Usually (or many times)- Slogans should be used "in general", not in literal sense. For example - the slogan "beggar to prince" does not specifically say "beggar to prince (and princess too)". Even though the word princess is not said, it is definitely implied there. So- no need to expect or follow just literal words.
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Flaw No. 604)Mr. Dixit (philosophically) murdered Radha bachchi (daughter Radha) too -

633)As said earlier, Mr. Dixit first inserted two mothers to manipulate/create his philosophy. These two with Sevakram constitute very basic foundation of pbk philosophy. The same is said below .
arjun (on 16th August 2008) wrote:viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2345&p=26347&hilit ... 23f#p26347
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According to the PBK version of the Yagya history, it is believed that Shiv entered first in Sevakram to narrate the secrets of the visions caused to Dada Lekhraj at Calcutta after he failed to get the answers from his lokik gurus and from Hindu pandits at Varanasi (its proof is available in the Revised Sakar Murli dated 23/24.08.08 to be released by BKs on Janmashtami). Shiv narrated the secrets to his wife (generally referred as Gita mata by PBKs, but it may not be the actual name). During this process another lady (referred to as Radha bachchi by PBKs, but this again may not be the actual name) also heard this narration. Sevakram's wife then narrated the secrets of the visions to Dada Lekhraj. Later on this spiritual family shifted to Sindh, Pakistan where the foundation of Om Mandali was laid.
634)But, later Mr. Dixit (mostly when his Gita mata kamala Devi left Yagya in 1998), made his (the only one) Gitamata into False human Gita, and placed the daughter Radha (sister Vedanti) as TG (True human Gita).
--Interestingly, when the PBK student clearly says- "one is the Mother Gita and there is another mother" (which is the original PBK philosophy), Mr. Dixit interrupts/changes and declares as if - both the mothers are fit for the title GitaMata from the very beginning of Yagya! See below. ..
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Mr Dixit c/o arjun wrote: Disc.CD No.618, dated 25.08.08 at Nellore
Extracts-Part-4

Time: 38. 53-39.35

जिज्ञासुः बाबा, आदि में जो माताएं थी एक है गीता माता। बाकी दूसरी माता है। वो माता कितने जन्म लेती है? ...क्या-2 नाम होता है?
बाबाः आदि में दो माताएं थीं। दोनों ही गीता माता। एक सच्ची गीता और एक झूठी गीता। मनुष्य बनाते हैं झूठी गीता और भगवान आ करके बना देते हैं सच्ची गीता।

Student: Baba, there were two mothers in the beginning. [Among them] one is the Mother Gita and there is another mother. How many births does she have? ...what are her names [in those births]?
Baba: There were two mothers in the beginning. Both were Mother Gitas. One was the true Gita and the other was the false Gita. People make false Gita and God comes and makes the true Gita.
635)Mr. Virendra Dev Dixit says- Both the sisters were Mother Gitas. So- PBK Radha bachchi got murderd by Mr. Dixit. So- PBKs inadvertently murder/destroy their own VERY BASIC FOUNDATION.

636)BTW- Mr. Dixit also says in the above discussion - "People make false Gita and God comes and makes the true Gita"- as if- God transforms false Gita to True Gita. That is OK.
But, as per new PBK theory, Mr. Dixit says- God HIMSELF created two Gita Mothers, one false and another true! So- they inadvertently imply- there is no question/need of transformation/correction from false to true.

637)So- we can say- PBKs have murdered all of their trimurtis.

---Initially, they used the word Sevakram. But, when they came to know Sevakram died only after 1960s, they later removed that name.
---Kamala Devi(in her previous birth) who had been the true (= one and the only one) Gita Kamala in PBK Yagya earlier, had been later declared by PBK God Father himself as false Gita.
---In this process the title "Radha bachchi" too got vanished. So,

Flaw No. 605)PBKs inadvertently imply- God HIMSELF creates false as well together with true, or transforms true into false also!:-

638) If PBKs say- both the mothers are fit for the title Gita_MATA from the very beginning of Yagya itself, it implies - God not only creates TRUE Gita, but creates FALSE Gita as well!

639)If PBK God Father declared the earlier/true (=the one and the only one) Gita as false Gita later, it implies God transforms his own creation from "true (Gita) to false (Gita)"!


640)PBKs also claim God first spoke false Gita (BK Murlis), and then true Gita. They claim Murlis (versions from mouth of B baba) as false Gita, and words from mouth of Mr. Virendra Dev Dixit as true Gita.
So- they have absolutely no shame to criticize/defame God Himself.

641)Even when the PBK student askes/reminds PBk Guru about the Murli point/word -
"DAUGHTER/BACHCHI"- Mr. Dixit bluntly declares BACHCHI as MATA without explaining properly.
Mr. Dixit c/o arjun wrote:viewtopic.php?f=2&t=632&p=33650&hilit=r ... 23f#p33650


Disc.CD No.477, dated 01.10.08 at Palakode (Tamilnadu)
Extracts-Part-2

Time: 01.00.22-01.02.22
Student: Baba, Dada Lekhraj came to Calcutta to narrate (about his visions) to Baba (i.e. Dada Lekhraj’s partner) to clarify his doubts regarding visions. At that time there were two mothers , one was Gita mata and the other was Radha bachchi. Is that Radha bachchi a virgin or a mother?
Baba: Both were mothers.
642)Logically speaking, if Radha bachchi would have been a mata/mother, ShivBaba would have spoken - "Radha_MATA (mother Radha)" instead of "Radha_BACHCHI", is it not?

But, Mr. Dixit changed Radha to Gita, and bachchi to mata. So- both the words- Radha and BACHCHI got murdered/removed. Complete (philosophical) murder.
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643) The Murli point related to the (above/previous and this post) discussion is here- viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1891&p=41882&hilit= ... 23f#p41857
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# Flaw No. 606) PBK Guru says- Sevakram himself left Yagya, not murdered:-
# Post No. 607)PBK "TWIN THEORY" inadvertently fails in their own view:- :-

644)
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Disc.CD No.616, dated 15.08.08 at Calcutta-1
Extracts-Part-4

Time: 38.19-41.07
Student: Baba, it was said just now that [the secrets of visions] were narrated to Brahma Baba when Mama entered the path of knowledge. It was said just now that the secrets of visions were narrated when Mama entered the path of knowledge.
Baba: Who narrated them?
Student: The mother Gita narrated it to Brahma Baba.
Baba: Which mother Gita narrated it? Arey, the same mother Gita will become an instrument to narrate [the secrets] who will bear him (Krishna) in the womb in the Golden Age. She herself will bear him in the womb like intellect in the beginning of the Confluence Age. Not Jagdamba. Arey, who will become an instrument to give birth [to Krishna] in the Golden Age? (Someone said: The junior mother.) The junior mother. So, who will become an instrument to narrate in the beginning of the Confluence Age? (Someone said: The junior mother.) The junior mother.
Another student: There will also be a daughter along with child Krishna.
Baba: Yes, so, daughter Radha should also be present at that time. At which time?
Another student: When she narrates.
Baba: No one. The junior mother.
Another student: When the junior mother narrates, then along with Krishna...
Baba: ... daughter Radha should also be present.
Another student: Daughter Radha should also be present.
Baba: Yes, yes.
Another student: Whatever she heard about the visions at that time.
Baba: At that time three souls should be present.
Another student: At the time of narration?
Baba: Yes.
Another student: Three souls. One narrates and two listen.

Baba: Yes.
Another student: But after listening, didn’t they get the idea that the Supreme Soul entered and narrated all this?
Baba: When the one in whom He entered himself did not have faith, when he himself was narrating the meanings of the Gita of the path of Bhakti, then how can others have [this faith]? In the beginning of the Yagya they used to read out the Gita of the path of Bhakti, did not they? They used to interpret it, did not they? Does God hold a book in his hands?
Student: He reads it out.
Baba: He used to hold Gita in his hand and narrate its meaning.
Another student: The Supreme Soul won’t read it.
Baba: Definitely not.
Another student: So, where was the Supreme Soul at that time?
Baba: He just sowed the seed. He sowed the seed in the beginning.
Another student: He sowed the seed silently...
Baba: What is the task of a Father? To sow the seed in the beginning.
Another student: So, that means the soul of Ram himself used to interpret [the Gita].
Baba: The soul of Ram is incomplete; only then does he leave the Yagya and go away. Had he received the complete knowledge why would he leave [the Yagya] and go away?
644)Mr. Dixit says- Sevakram himself left Yagya. So- PBk theory of saying he was murdered and their interpretation of words "corpse of ShivBaba" fails even here.

645)PBKs say- it was (their manipulated) junior mother who became instrument to give (pass on the words that heard from Dixit) in the beginning. Hence they claim sister Vedanti will give birth physically to Golden Aged Krishna (B baba).

But, PBK theory is in Golden Age, the parents give birth to TWINS. But, in their own view- the clarification was passed/narated only to B Baba (not to Bk Om Radhe/Mama). Then how can PBK junior mother give birth to twins in Golden Age?

646)Baba clearly says in 643 Murli point - "Krishna took birth from Mother Gita (true Gita = true knowledge = Murli). And Radha and all others too are included (= all other deities get birth from the same knowledge). "
But, Mr. dixit says- Krishn took birth from Radha bachchi. Just going against Murli point. Do PBKs say- PBK Radha bachchi gives birth to all others in Golden Age too physically?

647)Mr. Dixit getting confused can be clearly seen here (the underlined sentences above). The PBk students are also asking him- when the junior mother narrates, there should be two souls - both child Krishna and daughter Radha (corresponding to Golden Age- as per pbk twin birth theory).

But, Mr. Dixit seems to be capable of just murmuring here. Seeing this, the PBk students might have thought better not press the same question, and left the topic.
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# Flaw No. 608)PBK Adi/first Brahma loses title "AADI/FIRST":-

648)Continuing in the same above discussion (given below), Mr. Dixit says - in the beginning of Golden Age, it will be junior mother who will come first, then only the senior mother!
So- (inadvertently) PBK senior mother Kamala Devi obviously loses the title "Adi/First"- is it not?
Time: 41.17-43.55
Student: Baba, was Dada Lekhraj's sister the false Gita?
Baba: Someone is raising his hand and someone else is speaking.
Another student: Baba...
Baba: One person is asking; wait a little. (To the first student :) Raise your hand.
Student: Is Dada Lekhraj's sister the false Gita?
Baba: Is Dada Lehraj's sister the false Gita?
Student: She herself is Jagadamba, isn’t she?
Baba: Is there any Vishnu in the beginning of the world? When it is the beginning of the world... So, is there anybody who is the form of Vishnu, the first couple in the beginning of the world? Should there be one or not? Should the first couple, i.e. Lakshmi and Narayan who existed in the beginning of the world be present in the end or not? Who is it? (Someone said: Lakshmi and Narayan.) Who are Lakshmi and Narayan? The junior mother and Prajapita. Arey, is the daughter Jagdamba later on or is she first? Jagdamba is called a daughter, is not she? She is called a daughter (bachchi). Jagdamba. Jagat means [the world] that includes America, Europe, Africa as well as the Arab countries. Is Mother India first or Jagdamba first? Who is first? When the new world begins, then who will be present first? Mother India. Daughter Jagadamba comes after Mother India. So, in the beginning of the Yagya as well two souls were the form of Vishnu. It has been said in the Murli that Brahma emerged from the navel of Vishnu in the year 47. Then Vishnu emerged from the navel of Brahma.
Student: Whatever happens in the beginning happens in the end. What was the part of Jagdamba in the beginning?
Baba: Of listening and narrating
. Not of understanding and explaining. Is the foundation of listening and narrating Bhakti or knowledge? It is Bhakti. ... (to be continued.)
649)PBKs themselves say- all the three PBK murtis had not understood anything about the knowledge and hence Mr. Dixit left also Yagya. So- (in their own inadvertent view) all played the role of Bhakti only.

As said earlier in flaw No. 588 ( viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=55286&sid=2 ... b#p55223 ) in PBK view- all of them had been only shudras till 1947.

650) So- why do they claim- of the three PBK murtis, PBK Jagadamba only played role of Bhakti, and place Radha bachchi ahead and also claim Radha gave/gives birth to child Krishna (even if Murli clearly says "mother Gita(GitaMata)" gave birth to child Krishna, daughter Radha and all the others too?
Total failure, is it not.
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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

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# Flaw No. 609)Why no memorial of LIVING Gita/s in Bhakti_marg?:-

651)Mr. Dixit manipulated the term Gita_Mata/Mother_Gita (= Scripture Bhagavad_Gita which is mother of all the scriptures) as "LIVING/HUMAN Gita" and gave that title to Kamala Devi (her previous birth).

Later mostly after 1998 Mr. Dixit had to create another living Gita when PBK Kamala Devi left PBK Yagya in 1998 [or PBKs may also say- in Murli, there two terms false Gita(FG) and true Gita(TG), hence they are saying two humans. But, if PBKs had the concept of two human Gita before 1998, that can be believed, else it indicates their clear ignorance or failure.

[In BK view- TG = Murli, FG = Lowkik/sanscrit Gita- so no confusion]

652)PBKs use the terms TG and FG extensively in their discussions/teachings.
Now- since PBKs claim the title GitaMata is actually for human beings, why in Bhaktimarg, there is no memorial of living Gita (whether true or false or both)?
That is - in path of Bhakti during celebration of "Gita Jayanti", the sanscrit book only is praised, not any human being or deity.
arjun wrote:viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2593&p=50574&hilit ... c6#p50574
mbbhat Bhai, you are free to believe that Mother Gita refers to a non-living book/scripture. For the PBKs Mother Gita continues to be a living soul.
654)Interestingly, PBK argun says- "a" living soul, not two?

653)PBK Arjun himself posts teachings of his Guru where the Guru says true and false human Gitas. PBK Guru also has said both are mother/human/living Gitas.
But here Arjun says - only one human Gita? Is he hiding or hesitating or ?
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# Flaw No. 610)PBK souls take "title holder(false)" positions? :-
# Flaw No. 611)PBKs inadvertently feel- "Falling into pit = Accumulating some new jewels of knowledge":-

655)In their manipulation work, initially, PBKs used to give title holder(false) positions to BKs, and take/claim real titles/positions for themselves.

656)But, in case of LIVING Gita title - PBKs give false title (FG) to PBK Kamala Devi. And- they give true Gita title to a BK! [BK Sister Vedanti ].
So- PBKs fell into their own pit. PBKs may say- Sister Vedanti will become PBK in the end, etc, etc.
But, they could not give the false title (FG) to any BK personality. They gave it to a PBK only! A highly pitiable state.

657)But, unfortunately/ridiculosly, when PBK Guru criticizes/declares Kamala Devi as false Gita, PBKs believe- "Oh this is also part of Gyan ratan (jewels of knowledge) and great churning" and feel- "we have understood something new in knowledge!"
PBKs have no hesitation to say- their Jagadamba is a failure/false Gita.
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Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

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# Flaw No. 612)PBKs lose seat of "SEED souls" fails by DEFAULT itself:-
# Flaw No. 613)PBK Chariot going to "incognito mode", so corporeal value is not important?
# Flaw No. 614)Only BKs are in physical form, not PBKs?

658)PBKs knowingly or unknowingly speak full of lies, contradict their own beliefs and themselves destroy their own very basic foundation.
[In his juggling exercises, Mr. Dixit kept on saying irrelevant things to give justification for his manipulations and lies, but fell even deeper].
arjun wrote:viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=42308&hilit ... 4e2#p42308

I have written several times and I repeat that whatever mistakes are committed by BKs in physical form are also committed by some PBKs in subtle form because BKs are the roots, but PBKs are the seeds. The roots cannot perform the mistakes without their seeds doing it in a subtle form. The only difference is that the mistake by PBKs is not visible to the world, but the mistakes of BKs is visible to the world as they are in a physical form. The Bhakti shooting among PBKs will become visible when the Father becomes incognito in future and the Yagya will be looked after by Jagdamba and her army of shaktis. So, wait and watch.
660)If "any mistake is first committed by PBK souls", why do PBKs criticize BK souls more than PBK souls?

661)If "Mistake by PBKs is not visible to the world (whether to BK world or the outside world)" and "PBKs are not in physical form", what are the following?

---PBK Kamala Devi left PBK Yagya in 1998, and married to outside world person and gave physical birth to one or two children. Is this not visible to world? Or is this not a mistake from spiritual point of view? If not, will Mr. Dixit suggest all the PBK sisters to follow ex PBK Kamala Devi?

---Mr. Dixit slapping some PBK sister during Amrit Vela?
---Mr. Dixit was put in jail and is absconding since more than a year. Is this not visible?
---PBKs have done many many errors in typing/writing Murlis (already shown in the forum). They have not only purposefully omitted some words in Murlis and also WRONGLY translated the words. Is this not a mistake and clearly/physically visible?

662)PBKs main claim is- their Chariot would be in corporeal till end, and God will be revealed through that corporeal Chariot in the end. So, how can they say their Father becomes incognito in future?
[In "BK view"- incognito means -
--- B Baba cannot travel gali2,
---the title Jagadamba(even though real Jagadamba is B Baba) goes to Mama/Saraswati in Bhakti marg.
---Even in gyanmarg, title "real/first/Badi Mama is B baba, and Om radhe is actually a daughter, Om Radhe was called as "Mama/mother". Even B baba used to call her as Mama/mother, not daughter, all the rest of the BKs too call her as Mama/mother, not sister.
--Vessel of knowledge is given to mothers and leader is Om Radhe.
--Also after 1969, Prajapita Brahma alias B baba becomes subtle Brahma.

So- it practically fits the logic of INCOGNITO.]

But, in PBK theory,
-- Mr. Dixit would travel gali2,
---never gives kalash/vessel of knowledge to mothers, he himself gives so-called clarification. No PBK soul is considered to be close or equal to Mr. Dixit's rank).
---Mr. Dixit will be in corporeal till end, and God will be revealed by that corporeal body (then only he will be eligible for the title "World Emperor")
---Also Mr. Dixit's present corporeal body itself will PHYSICALLY get transformed into Narayan.
---As per PBKs, Mr. Dixit is fit for the title Father only, not mother. So- none of his titles are taken by others.

663)Logically speaking, seed form is lesser visble than roots.
In PBK view- soul of B baba enters Mr Dixit and Kamala Devi. Obviously B baba is more subtle (and invisible) than the other two.
PBKs believe BKs who have left their bodies have not taken rebirth, but enter bodies of PBK souls. So- who is more invisible and subtle? Obviously, PBKs lose their arguments.
[But, in one way, it is right. Because what PBKs say is just false and lies, so obvioulsy all these claims are non-physical and incognito. They are just like dreams.]

664)And, arjun souls says- "Bhakti shooting of PBKs will become visible when their Guru becomes incognito".
Arey- Bhakti shooting of not only PBKs, but of their own Guru also is clearly visible as already explained. Flaw No. 597 is just a FRACTION of the tip of the iceberg.
In MANY PBK lectures/churnings, we can find PBK Guru himself first asumes Bhakti tradition as CORRECT, and then manipulate(misinterpret) Gyan/Murlis to fit to the Bhakti.
Hence PBKs have absolutely no hesitation to go against lots of Murli points and OPENLY act superior to ShivBaba.
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