Body-consciousness v/s soul-consciousness !!!

[pbkindiana]

shivsena wrote:
i feel that ShivBaba means no. 1 shivshakti (Mama Saraswati) who becomes the yartharth roop of ShivBaba in the end as Shiv-shakti Bharatmata.

Can you reveal the corporeal form of your ShivBaba in the form of no.1 Shivshakti?

Lakshmi and Saraswati are one and same soul(devi ek hai, uske roop anek hain)..

If they are same, then it should be said as Saraswathi-Narayan. Moreover saraswathi is not popular in bakti compare to Durga, so definitely she cannot be a combination of ShivBaba. To assume Om Radhey as Saraswathi, Lakshmi and in ShivBaba too, then the Goddess Saraswathi should be having the largest spiritual fair in bakti-marg for she is playing a very big role in sangam yug according to you, but it is not. It is simple logic that when it is said 'Godfather' then it is a Father's role and Om Radey has no part in it.

by deep study of Murlis become saraswat Brahmins(Saraswati-putra) and then in the end the same soul showers them with sthool wealth(gems of knowledge are converted into real diamonds.)

Is there the term "Saraswati-putra" in any Murlis or av.Vanis? It just denotes that you are getting Maya's blessings. Also we will be showered with gati- sadgati but you will be the only one who will be showered with diamonds. It is absoultely non-sensical.

indie.

[new knowledge]

Brother indie, where is your durga - mahakali - jagdamba? and what is her contribution to Yagya to be entitled her as durga and to prove her superior to om radhe? please reply with potential and valid proofs.

[shivsena]

Can you reveal the corporeal form of your ShivBaba in the form of no.1 Shivshakti?

Those who are looking forward to see the corporeal form of ShivBaba through these physical eyes cannot see the shakti form of Shiva.... one requires the third eye of knowledge (deep study of Murlis and Vanis) to see the yartharth roop of ShivBaba(no. 1 shivshakti).
shivsena.

[shivsena]

To assume Om Radhey as Saraswathi, Lakshmi and in ShivBaba too, then the Goddess Saraswathi should be having the largest spiritual fair in bakti-marg for she is playing a very big role in sangam yug according to you, but it is not. It is simple logic that when it is said 'Godfather' then it is a Father's role and Om Radey has no part in it.
indie.

Dear indiana.

Advance knowledge teaches that Saraswati, Lakshmi and jagdamba are 3 different souls. This is one of the biggest mis-leading teachings which has caused tremendous confusion and taken the PBKs further away from truth. Also this teaching does not tally with what is said in Murlis and what is remembered in Bhakti-marg.....it is said in Murlis: " jagdamba kaho, kali kaho, Saraswati kaho, Lakshmi kaho, durga kaho, sab ek ke naam hain." ....and Bhakti pictures also show jagdamba in center with her various manifestations of 9 devis.
Murli says: "saari mahima Ek ShivBaba ki hai" ...meaning all the praise is for no. one shiv-shakti ( bindi shiv does not require any praise).

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[shivsena]

Dear indiana.

Another Bhakti-marg picture of 3 devis combined in one (which proves that no. 1 shiv-shakti Maa jagdamba Saraswati has many manifestations as per the roles she plays).
shivsena.

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[pbkindiana]

new knowledge wrote:
Brother indie, where is your durga - mahakali - jagdamba? and what is her contribution to Yagya to be entitled her as durga and to prove her superior to om radhe? please reply with potential and valid proofs.

Dear new knowledge Bhai,

Jagadhamba Maa played the role of Durga in the beginning and in the end she plays the role of Mahakali (the destroyer of demons) and she plays the role of Jagadhamba in sustaining the Godly family along with Jagadpita.

MU. 6/2/03 -- "When Jagadhamba becomes Lakshmi, she is beautiful. The after taking 84 births, she becomes ugly. In fact Kali and Amba are one and the same." --- It is said "become nar to Narayan and nari to Lakshmi"; so after becoming perfect Jagadhamba Maa becomes Lakshmi and not nar to Narayan but she is not the vaishnavi soul who will be coupled with Narayan as it is said Lakshmi-Narayan of the Vishnu kingdom in sangam yug.

It is said that "bakti is based on whatever has happened in sangam yug"; so if Om Radhey plays the most fundamental part in sermonizing sach Gita and if she is also a part of the coining with ShivBaba, then it is only logical to have the biggest pilgrimage fair for Goddess Saraswathi amongst all the goddesses in bakti-marg. Also it is said "Saraswathi is still studying"--- so can a soul who is still studying become powerful and be clubbed together with the Almighty Authority Shiv.

Since i do not live in India, is there any famous temple specially for Goddess Saraswathi to be worshipped.

New knowledge wrote:
Dear arjunbhai, I cannot understand the logic behind the assumption that a physical body, which is itself innert and unconscious by nature, is essential for the activation of the consciousness i.e., the energetic nature of a soul.
Actually, it is the strategy of the cunning Maya to put linitations to access higher level of consciousness by disconnecting links of a soul with his own subtle body (sukshm sharir), casual body (kaaran sharir) and super-casual body (mahaakaaran sharir) which are comparatively better medium of consciousness than the physical body; and by fixing the part of that soul in a physical body which puts obsticles to access consciousness. But, now as we are playing our part in physical bodies and we have lost our link to subtle, casual and super-casual body, we are in a illusion that onlly the physical body is that fertile land which germinates the seed-like soul and we forget that the subtle, casual and super-casual bodies serve as the lands more fertile than the physical body. So, it is not necessary that a soul cannot act without a physical body.new knowledge

it is unfair of you to request for Murli quotes and valid proofs when you do not post any Murli quotes to corroborate your views.

indie.

[new knowledge]

Dear brother indie, i just want to know what is the contribution of respected kamla deviji to be entitled her as durga - mahakali - jagdamba; and how is she superior to respected om radhe ??

[pbkindiana]

new knowledge wrote:
Dear Brother indie, i just want to know what is the contribution of respected kamla deviji to be entitled her as durga - mahakali - jagdamba; and how is she superior to respected om radhe ?

Dear new knowledge Bhai,

I was not living in the same Yagya with Jagdamba Maa for me to know of her contribution; but i was told that she had all the qualities of a mother and her dharna was excellent as she followed Shrimat. When she was in the initial true stage, then she is Durga who removes the bad qualities as Durga is shown with weapons in bakti. She plays the role of Mahakali in the end as she destroys all demonic brahmins by making them to lose faith and all PBKs will leave ShivBaba (Baba Dixit) practically except the astadevs ( the 8 deities). Then she plays the part of Jagdamba when she is revealed in the world as a mother.

Can someone becomes superior without a body and to-date nobody knows the practical form of Om Radhey who left her body in 1965. I looked at the bakti-marg picture of Saraswathi and noted that she does not possess any weapons nor sitting on a lion/tiger to show her power. It is said in Murlis that "the shaktis are shown sitting on a lion to denote that they are pouncing with knowledge" --- so it is simple logic that Durga/Jagdamba Maa is superior to Om Radhey. Moreover if Om Radhey is powerful, then why couldn't she becomes the satyugi Narayan instead of Brahma alias Krishna?

indie.

[pbkindiana]

shivsena wrote:
Advanced Knowledge teaches that Saraswati, Lakshmi and jagdamba are 3 different souls. This is one of the biggest mis-leading teachings which has caused tremendous confusion and taken the PBKs further away from truth. Also this teaching does not tally with what is said in Murlis and what is remembered in Bhakti-marg.....it is said in Murlis: " jagdamba kaho, kali kaho, Saraswati kaho, Lakshmi kaho, durga kaho, sab ek ke naam hain." ....and Bhakti pictures also show jagdamba in center with her various manifestations of 9 devis.
Murli says: "saari mahima Ek ShivBaba ki hai" ...meaning all the praise is for no. one Shiv-shakti ( bindi Shiv does not require any praise).

You point a finger at others condemning their beliefs and yet you link your intellect to the dead personalities. When it is said in the Murlis that "my knowledge is not contained in the scriptures", you keep on searching for bakti-marg pictures and trying to prove that you are on the right track. You are wasting all of our time by posting bakti-marg pictures to prove your manmat that ShivBaba = Shiva + shakti when it is said that "ShivBaba is a Father's role only."

You asked sachkhand to reveal his corporeal form of Prajapita but you are unable to identify which soul is Om Radhey and how on earth you link your intellect to Om Radhey when she does not have a corporeal body. Most probably you are doing the shooting of witchcraft as i have noted that you always love to keep contact with the dead.

If you can provide one single Murli quote or av. Vani that says "ShivBaba = Shiva + shakti" or "ShivBaba is a combination of Father's and mother's roles", then your bakti-marg pictures will be beneficial for churnings otherwise your dead intellect (as you love to link your intellect with the dead) will keep on searching for more pictures of goddesses that does not prove of ShivBaba's role.

indie.

[shivsena]

. When it is said in the Murlis that "my knowledge is not contained in the scriptures", you keep on searching for bakti-marg pictures and trying to prove that you are on the right track.
indie.

Dear indiana.

This is the biggest tragedy that the word "Bhakti-marg" is mis-interpreted by both BKs and PBKs.

Whenever it is said in Murlis that "Bhakti marg mein sab gapode hain" (it means that the behad ka Bhakti marg ie bk and pbk literature-cassettes and cds contain all non-sense )... for the simple reason that hearing them for decades have caused nothing but durgati of bk and PBKs (sunna-sunana hai Bhakti marg).

It is also said in Murlis that "Whatever happens in PU. Sangamyug is remembered in Bhakti-marg"... So whatever is going to happen in future during the revelation period will be remembered in the next Kalpa Bhakti-marg ....so if we wish to understand the knowledge in totality we have to tally the Godly knowledge with outside Bhakti-marg.....the basic and advance knowledge does not tally with what is written in Bhakti-scriptures and that is why durgati is taking place in both families.....one cannot understand Bhakti pictures and scriptures without the Godly knowledge and one cannot understand Gyan if it is not tallied with outside Bhakti-marg.....both are required if one has to reach the correct understanding of this wonderful yet complex Godly knowledge.....it is repeatedly said in Murlis: "Gyan ko samajne ke liye badi vishaal buddhi chahiye" (meaning one needs a very big intellect to understand the secrets of knowledge in Murlis and Vanis)....which can be achieved only by repeatedly reading and churning the Murlis/Vanis and not by nodding to Dadis and cds.

shivsena.

[pbkindiana]

shivsena wrote:
it is repeatedly said in Murlis: "Gyan ko samajne ke liye badi vishaal buddhi chahiye" (meaning one needs a very big intellect to understand the secrets of knowledge in Murlis and Vanis)....which can be achieved only by repeatedly reading and churning the Murlis/Vanis and not by nodding to Dadis and cds.

looks that you have an enormous intellect to the extent that you are very fond of linking your intellect to the dead.

indie.

[shivsena]

You point a finger at others condemning their beliefs and yet you link your intellect to the dead personalities.
indie.

Dear indiana.

It's a pity that you cannot differentiate between a "dead personality" and an "avaykt personality"....for you, both Mama and DL are dead personalities as they are no longer in gross bodies....so may i ask one question: who is delivering the perfect avaykt Vanis for last 40 years and why are the Vanis(of supposed dead souls) being explained by Baba Dixit ??????

shivsena.

[pbkindiana]

shivsena wrote:
It's a pity that you cannot differentiate between a "dead personality" and an "avaykt personality"....for you, both Mama and DL are dead personalities as they are no longer in gross bodies....so may i ask one question: who is delivering the perfect avaykt Vanis for last 40 years and why are the Vanis(of supposed dead souls) being explained by Baba Dixit ??????

Actually you are the one who is pathetic as you do not know the difference between dead personalities and dead souls. I used the term 'dead personalities' and not 'dead souls' as souls can never be dead. In the beginning you were having Yaad with the Ram's soul in the dead personality of Brahma D. Lekraj and then you switch to Om Radhey to which you do not know which is her soul or most probably you are remembering her gross body too. Currently none of us have attained the constant soul-conscious stage, so how is it possible for someone to know which soul is whom for us to link with that particular soul. So i did not say anything inaccurately.

Av. Vanis are more to dharna as the soul who is speaking the Vanis is regarded as the "King of Dharna" --- no one can attain gati-sadgati by reading them. Av. Vanis do convey some hidden meanings; thats all. A perfect Vani will never speak to different groups and request for applause.

indie.

[shivsena]

. Av. Vanis do convey some hidden meanings; thats all. A perfect Vani will never speak to different groups and request for applause.
indie.

Do you consider avaykt Vanis to be imperfect and please explain what is meant by "request for applause".

shivsena.

[pbkindiana]

shivsena wrote:
Do you consider avaykt Vanis to be imperfect

A perfect Vani is spoken wholly by someone who has 100% nirakari stage that leads to paradise. Till today we are not reading anything perfect; it can be Sakar Murlis, av.Vanis or advanced knowledge. A Vani can be perfect only when it is spoken wholly by ShivBaba; the rest all are imperfect Vanis.

and please explain what is meant by "request for applause".

Most av. Vanis have these phrases such as "raise your hands, wave your hands, you may clap or asking certain gropus to stand-up" --- a perfect Vani will deliver powerful knowledge that enables us to transform and both of us will not be debating anymore.

Please take note that i am not criticising Brahma D. Lekraj for his av. Vanis as I do not have the heart to criticise him as he is actually our mother. i am just pointing out that to-date no Vanis are perfect that enables transformation.

indie.