Research into BKWSU.

[john morgan]

Hi John,

Thanks for being so clear.

We do have some common ground yet it is best that we disagree for now. I prefer to deal with specifics, if none are available for whatever reason there is no more to discuss.

Take care,

John

[andrey]

I believe BKSWU is teaching The Knowledge incorrectly and that is why there is damage being done. You say the proof is in seeing the results of the followers. John M I have heard some nasty things about BKSWU, none of which is on this forum or the BK.info forum.

If you say inculcation is not good, but knowledge is the knowledge of the Supreme Soul from the Murlis. Whatever it is thought by th BKs now is taught correctly.The knowledge about the soul, God and drama as we have it now is result of many changes that had happened in the past. It is the correct knowledge for the present moment. Tommorow we will know more. If there is mention about the history of the Yagya in the Murlis (there are such remarks) this will be knowlegde. Knowledge is spiritual knowledge, that is told by the spiritual Father to which spiritual essence must be there. History of the Yagya is worldly knowledge told by worldly people. For you there is no source of new, further, spiritual knowledge now, or in future (unless you expect some incarnation, or if you are satisfied with the present part through Dadi Gulzar) so you have to look back in the history of the Yagya and do research of the old Murlis.

[john]

If you say inculcation is not good, but knowledge is The Knowledge of the Supreme Soul from the Murlis. Whatever it is thought by th BKs now is taught correctly.The Knowledge about the soul, God and drama as we have it now is result of many changes that had happened in the past. It is the correct knowledge for the present moment. Tommorow we will know more. If there is mention about the history of the Yagya in the Murlis (there are such remarks) this will be knowlegde.

Yes, but we don't have all the Murlis, so things mentioned before we don't know about.
Was it ShivaBabas intention to hide any Murlis?
If not, then we have to assume it is the BKSWU who have made this decision.

[andrey]

We can for eg. trace the way practice used to change. In the beginning according to the Murlis there used to be the chanting of the Gita from the Bhaktimarg. Then some children used to sit an teach the drill of meditation. Then the Murlis through Brahma Baba, Mama also used to speak Murli. Then Dadis used to sit in front, elder or junior borthers and siters or just put a photo, poster or bulb and the seasonal meetings with BapDada.

[john]

We can for eg. trace the way practice used to change. In the beginning according to the Murlis there used to be the chanting of the Gita from the Bhaktimarg. Then some children used to sit an teach the drill of meditation. Then the Murlis through Brahma Baba, Mama also used to speak Murli. Then Dadis used to sit in front, elder or junior borthers and siters or just put a photo, poster or bulb and the seasonal meetings with BapDada.

Do you have dates for any of these?

[andrey]

Murlis through Brahma Baba started to be narrated in Karachi - 47. Other personalities to teach must have been before this. Even before this must have been the period of divine visions and chanting om. After the demise of Brahma Baba other pracices had developed.

http://www.brahmakumaris.org.in/Landmarks.htm

[andrey]

Br. John says that if Shiv enters Virendra Dev Dixit then he should know about the documents from 39-49 that has been presented to him. But first it should be proved that it is Shiv who had prepared these documents, then only we can expect he may know about them in some other body. And where is the proof he had prepared them when even the name Shiv is not mentioned.

Shivsena Bhai claims that Murlis had started 1965, but in the Murlis itself it is said that Murlis have started from Karachi. Is this not enough?

[john]

Is this not enough?

Absolutely not enough!

[andrey]

For you it may not be enough, but shivsena Bhai says he has full faith in the Murlis that these are the words of the Supreme Soul. Whatever it is said there is like written on stone. So, it should be enough for him.