Morning Murlis not spoken by Shiva via Brahma Baba

[bansy]

This may come as a shock to all, but if anyone has the BK Morning Murli of 30 October 2008, page 2, it quotes

"This sacrificial fire has been continung for 72 years (1936-2008). When will it end ? "

Clearly if the Murli is prior 1969, then this Murli has not been spoken by Father Shiva via Brahma Baba (Lekhraj Kirpalani). Then by who ?

I will try to get the Murli uploaded.

[new knowledge]

Wow! Interesting. Sister bansy, actually that's the revised Murli. Suppose, the original Murli was delivered in 1966 (just suppose, I don't know the date of the original Murli). Then the Murli statement should have to be as, "This sacrificial fire has been continuing for 30 years (1936-1966)". But if (as according to bro ex-l) the Yagya is believed to be started in 1932, the Murli statement should have to be as, "This sacrificial fire has been continuing for 34 years (1932-1966)". But, according to a respected forum member (I've promised him not to declare his name/nickname), Yagya, actually, started in 1964 (after the demisal of Om Radhe). If this so, the above Murli statement should have to be as, "This sacrificial fire has been continuing for 2 year (1964-1966)".

So, to calculate the exact period of Yagya, it's somehow necessary to get the actual statement from the original Murli of the revised Murli dated 30 October 2008.

The edition of the refered Murli point, in the revised Murli, cannot be justified, as it may mislead us to calculate wrong time duration of the Yagya,

[bansy]

actually that's the revised Murli.

Yes, and this is where the problem lies. Whilst there is a lot of apparently good things in Murlis, at the same time we bhagats (all persons coming in contact with the Brahma Kumaris organisation which is countless into crores, and includes those present in the organisation) could be studying something not spoken at all by "God". Or at least of a God whose words are absolute and unchangeable.

Mind you, that statement could be spoken by Brahma Baba's soul instead, but then unless the original statement from the original Murli is produced, it would be fair to even say that to be able to forecast a date of 2008 before leaving his body is quote a unique feat !

It will be even fairer to say someone in the current BK organisation is meddling with the Murlis. Ravan perhaps ?

[bansy]

PS : I don't and did not like raising this thread anymore as to reading it, but it was only the Murli of yesterday's and being read out at all centres around the world. If you are of one those who heard it.

[new knowledge]

Sister bansy, edition of Murlis may lead to wrong interpretation of Godly Knowledge. Now read the Murli point, "Ab tum manaate ho 63 vi Jayanthi, goyaa 63 varsh hua Jayanthi ko" (Murli date. 11-2-1999 Page. 1) meaning now you are celebrating 63th Jayanthi (ShivJayanthi), means 63 years have passed for Jayanthi.

Now as this is a revised Murli, the original one must have been prior to 1969. And the above refered Murli statement should be checked in that original Murli, so we could conform since how many years ShivJayanthi was being celebrated as it should have been mentioned in that statement of the original Murli. It also may lead respect brother ex-l to conclude whether the word 'Shiv' appeared in the BK literature after 1950 or not.

[shivshankar]

Hm, something is going really wrong with His children, but the end is nearby. I hope...

I don't really understand why they couldn't ask Him directly about all this mistakes etc. It is children's right to ask parents different questions. The only answer I have is that He had established another one religion, called BKWSU. Nethertheless He is to destroy them all including the last one. And of course He is to complete the Gyan about this Cycle. Pray for me please I am tired to wait this part, doing nothing is very boring:(

[bansy]

I will try to get the Murli uploaded.

Coming soon.

[shivshankar]

Brother Arjun had posted:
298.
“Many such children come, whose clothes are completely dirty and old. Some clothes are of some kind and some are of some other kind. Some are so rotten that they tear on being washed. The Father says – this laundry (dhobhighaat) has started 72 years ago. The clothes are being washed continuously. Some have improved. Some remain dirty even if they are washed to any extent. If they are beaten with the washing-stick (soti) of knowledge with force, they tear off. They run away. Those who do not become clean, those who do not become pure and do not make others pure, then it is understood that they are not fortunate enough. Those who themselves become nice go on cleaning the clothes of others as well. This is a laundry too. When the soul becomes pure, then it also gets a pure body.”

(Revised Sakar Murli dated 09.04.08, pg 1 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)

It's not a big thing. Murlis are edited. It doesn't mean that they are not from God. It just means that they are edited by human beings.

Hm. Like some other scripture. It means that BKWSU is a religion. Everything is much more simple than it seems:)

[bansy]

Does anyone know what is or have the definition of "Murli" ?

Is the BKWSU using the word "Murli" incorrectly ?

[shivshankar]

As I know Murli is Krishna's flute. Also Krishna is known as Murlidhar which means that he holds flute in his hands.

Murli in BKWSU religion means that this scriptures were spoken by God through Krishna (Dada Lekhraj in this birth).

[bansy]

C'mon folks, it's all very simple.

If NONE of the Murlis from 1969 onwards ever got edited/revised/altered/whatever-you-want-to-call-it, then there is NO DOUBTS.

[shivshankar]

Yes, you are right.

[andrey]

Direct spoken Murli face to face is real Murli. Recorded is second class and written - third class.

Imagine how one will be able to edit direct Murli. He will have to interfere and oppose, but then there will be chance for the murlidhar to defend the points and clear them. Written Murli cannot defend itself because it is non living.

[bansy]

Direct spoken Murli face to face is real Murli. Recorded is second class and written - third class.

How many souls does that make the first class section then ? Even DVDs are recorded. So very very few, unless you want to live literally at the feet of ShivBaba (Virendra Dev Dixit) or Brahma Baba(Lekhraj Kirpalani) via Dadi Gulzar's feets.

Folks, better start packing your bags and move in to the same room as your Chariot of ShivBaba. Any other literature, DVD, MP3, etc are nonliving as it is already past. You better get your Murlis in the present form.

Even this post is now dead after you read it.

Also, there is no need for the Murlidhar to defend any points or clear them. That is left for us to do.

[shivshankar]

Also, there is no need for the Murlidhar to defend any points or clear them.

+1

There is no need to defend truth. Especially the absolute one;)
As for clearing: there was no knowledge about Absolut truth in its literal meaning yet. Only scriptures which may be understood in different meanings. This is why PBK have their own understanding of Baba's words. He hadn't explain everything from the points of natural laws and modern science yet. Only from Bhakti positions.