AUM Shanti.
I was busy and therefore late to answer. On reading all replies over here, and reading some of other posts on the forum, I feel most are here just to defame BK's. They have no concerns for The Rudra GnyanYagnya established by The GodFather. The charges they have against BK's of BKWSU are, according to my perception,
- 1) BKs are hiding the actual history of The Yagnya and the original documents.
2) BKs are not interested in churning Murli points and dissuade others too from doing it.
3) BKs are not willingly giving the versions of The GodFather to the seekers.
4) BKs on certain occasions even edited the Murli points to suit them.
5) BKs are more interested in increasing membership of the institution, and are not interested in giving True Knowledge of The GodFather.
6) BKs are misusing the donations given by the children of The GodFather. And even persuade to make donations.
7) BKs are interested in influencing political leaders and rich people and celebrities world over.
I too once had thought similiarly. I too was enraged by all these things. But now, after being in the PBKs since from 1993 to about 2007, I think I need to think twice before charging them with such allegations.
I think the first six allegations i.e., from 1 to 6 are not correct untill Dada Lekharaj was alive. The sixth allegation ( except of rich people) can be applied to Dada Lekharaj, because He sent letters to many important people all over the world.
Dada Lekharaj tried to inform all, through the world leaders that The Divine Duty of The GodFather has begun. Everyone were invited to take knowledge and propagate it. The GodFather was at the service of children. But most people were busy in their worldly business. The people of the world irrespective of race, religion, caste, creed, occupation, social status, etc., etc., were invited to take knowledge of The GodFather. But only few gave attention to and followed The GodFather. They surenderred their body, mind and wealth to the cause of The GodFather.
Till 1969 I think nobody cared for The versions of The GodFather, and nobody asked Him about the history of The Yagnya and the original documents. Well, children did not ask. But the people of this world also did not care to have it documented. They were busy documenting and propagating what X political leader says or what Y celebrity wears or how much z company earn, etc., etc., The GodFather warned that the versions are important, but nobody cared.
There were two reasons for negligence. Children, who had faith in The GodFather never cared because they thought that The GodFather will be with them in The same corporeal body of Dada Lekharaj till the end. And therefore they did not feel it necessary to record and store the versions. And other people of this world never recognised The GodFather and thought that the old man ( Dada Lekharaj) was crazy.
I do not want to support BKs for the mistakes they are doing. I am not spokesperson of BK's or staunch supporter of BKs. I am just trying to explain their situation and their viewpoint as per my understanding. They just want to spread the word that The GodFather has come to this world and it is Time to return. Need of the hour is shed body-consciousness and again become soulconsious. Re-emerge our true deity sanskaras (resolves). They are providing Godly versions daily to all Godly students worldwide. Anyone can go there and study.
All are welcome unless they do not cause unnecessary trouble and confusion amongst the fellow human beings because they accept that they themselves are not capable of giving satisfactory explanation to all Godly versions. But still they have faith in them. Anyone can study and gain insight of Godly versions. But kindly do not disrupt Rudra Gnyaan Yagnya by giving hotch-potch explanation without any responsibilty and by trying to propagate your half knowledge. Because half knowledge is dangerous.
arjun wrote: You are ready to support the BKWSU who have hidden ShivBaba's versions for more than 70 years....
Now after demise of Dada Lekhraj, BKs of BKWSU suddenly realised that how important were the versions of The GodFather to smoothly run their institution. They restored the possible documents and versions of The GodFather. But, still they were not aware of importance of the Knowledge in the versions of The GodFather. Because they did not feel that they have lost connection with The GodFather. Because they were getting directions from Avyakt Bap - Dada. They never lost faith in The Avyakt Bap - Dada. When BK's of BKWSU have someone to take their care, to nurture and give directions to them, they did not feel it important to worry about the Murli points.
But people were invited to take The knowledge given by The GodFather. They advertised and tried various means and ways to reach the masses and give them the message of The GodFather. There was no restrictions for giving Murli to anyone. Anyone could get Murli. And then came Virendra Dev Dixit to BK knowledge. He had come to Ahmedabad for studying in the university. It is said that he was not given Murlis. I think it must have been so, because Virendra Dev Dixit questioned the BKs a lot and they could not give answers to those questions. My question is that why should Virendra Dev Dixit try to pressurise BKs to answer even after they were not capable of? He could have got the Murlis and studied them privately instead of going questioning and confusing all other students.
Whatever be the case, as I cannot prove what happened between BK's and Virendra Dev Dixit But according to PBKs themselves, Virendra Dev Dixit got Murlis for his research through sister Vedanti. Remember that she too is a BK. With the help of the Murli's Virendra Dev Dixit completed his Phd, and I think the subject of his Phd in Philosophy was about The first human (Mool Purush in Hindi) of the creation or we may say about Adi Dev ( Arjun may correct me if I am wrong). Then Virendra Dev Dixit has submitted his Phd thesis, but it is said that untill now he is not awarded Phd. I think Virendra Dev Dixit has got original copies of many old Murlis even now, although they might not have been given directly from BK surrendered sisters.
arjun wrote: I did not mention PBKs as thirsty seekers, but the BKs who have sent their requests to the Admin of this forum in large numbers.
Virendra Dev Dixit has been regularly reading and explaining Murlis atlest since 1988. I think he has not missed it or if he missed then too it may not be many times. So untill now it will be more than 20 years, i.e. from 1988 to 2008. Now if we consider that Virendra Dev Dixit takes 3 days to complete explaining one Murli, then too Virendra Dev Dixit has explained Murlis of more than six years. And I think Virendra Dev Dixit has not repeated any Murli while explaining. That means Virendra Dev Dixit already has Murlis of 6 years. i.e., 6 multiplied by 365 = 2190 Murlis. Shivsena also has said that he has Murlis of many years. If Virendra Dev Dixit asks to give copies of those Murlis then Shivsena will not disregard Virendra Dev Dixit's words.
Still why are PBKs begging for Murli's? If PBKs are really interested in quenching the thirst of BKs who have requested to upload Murlis on this forum, I request Virendra Dev Dixit through arjun, to upload scanned copies of those about 2190 Murlis he possess and also those Murlis which Shivsena possess. PBKs are just shedding crocodile tears and want to defame BKs. They are not really interested in churning and understanding Murli points.
arjun wrote: If the BK Murlis were self-contained, there would not have been any need for ShivBaba through Brahma Baba to repeatedly say that 'these matters are very deep, incognito, secret, matters to be understood, etc.etc.' in the Murlis. It is these unsolved puzzles of knowledge that the God Father is trying to unravel through Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit.
That is the reason for my new thread " Explanation Required " in the commonroom. But I was amazed to see your reply and one another reply.
arjun wrote:Om Shanti. How can one respond to your first post until you give your own interpretation of those Murli points? Only when you tell us who is Ram and Ravan according to you that others would be able to give their views, that too if they feel like expressing their views.
If Virendra Dev Dixit and you PBKs are really interested in unravelling unsolved puzzles to the students of Godly Knowledge, then why such an answer to my post where I have posted Murli points that are really very deep, incognito, secret, matters to be understood, etc. etc. ( as you have mentioned). And below I quote what Jaycdp has replied to that post " Explanation Required".
In post: Explanation Required. on page 1, by jaycdp on 04 Jul 2008
jaycdp wrote: Sanjeev you need to patient. Some times you may have to wait for one or two life times to get one answer .
I am once again giving Murli points of the post "Explanation Required" below and few other Murli points. I hope you and Virendra Dev Dixit will unravel the unsolved puzzles of knowledge without waiting for anyone to give their views. Virendra Dev Dixit never waited for anyone's views in 1970's when he went door to door of the BK's and claimed to have unravelled the unsolved puzzles.
Important Murli points:
- Murli dt. 8.1.95 (Murli Khand 1 pg. 243): Father is definitely highest authority and then that Prajapita Brahma also stands highest authority. This Dada is biggest (or greatest or highest) authority. Shiv and Prajapita Brahma. Souls are children of ShivBaba and then in corporeal we Brothers and Sisters all are children of Prajapita Brahma. This is great great grandfather of all.
Murli dt. 19.12.01 (Murli Khand 1 pg. 211): (People) Sing that You (i.e., God) (are) Mother-Father we Your children ... so ( God) Himself entering this one gives knowledge to you. (These) Talks ( or points) need so much understanding. Prajapita Brahma is also called as Father. Then where is Mother? Father sits and tells you that this is Prajapita as well as Mother. I am Father of all souls.
Myself is solely called as GodFather.
Murli dt. 13.6.01 (Muli Khand pg. 397): Otherwise how much biography of ShivBaba needs to be written. Now you children tell - We know the biography of GodFather Supreme Soul ( Parampita Paramatma). Father sits and tells - What I do in Bhaktimarg. ( I i.e., GodFather Supreme Soul) Do insurance in Bhaktimarg also. People do charity and good deeds for the sake of God, is not it?
Murli dt. 18.3.99 (Murli Khand 1 pg. 190): I take all along with Me. Then send you. Then My part is complete. No part for half of the Kalpa. Then again in Bhaktimarg part begins. This Drama is also readymade (Yah bhi drama bana hua hai.).
Murli dt. 11-6-72, page 1: All know life story of Supreme Soul, that too not of one life, there is biography of ShivBaba of how many lives, you know. (Sabhi jaanate hain paramatma ki jeevan kahani, so bhi ek janm ki nahi, ShivBaba ke kitne kitne janmoon ki biography hai, tumko maloom hai.)
Murli dt. 12.10.02 (Murli Khand pg. 316): Here all three are combined. This is not written in any scriptures ( Shastras) that, only That is The lap of Father, Teacher and Preceptor (Guru). Father has asked "Does ShivBaba has Father?" Says yes. O.K., ShivBaba has Teacher? Has Preceptor (Guru)? No. Only gets Mother - Father. This is secret calculation ( or rule or method).
Murli dt. 27.7.73, page 3: Father takes support of the body of Brahma only. He has to come in Bharat alone.
Murli dt. 21.1.69, page 2: As ( or That which) Brahma's body is Mukarrar (appointed or fixed) then Murli is through his body, is it not? And the service done through Sandeshis (messages through trance) for some time those messages cannot be called as Murli. ( In Hindi: Jo Brahma ka tan Mukarrar hai to Murli Uske tan dwara hai na, aur sandeshiyon dwara thode samay ke liye jo service karte hain unko Murli nahin kaha jayega.)
Murli dt. 3.9.74 page 1: From Paramdham Baba comes in Bharat alone. Just who is to be called as Bharat?
Murli dt. of this point is not written, but I have taken down these Murli points from the registers given in Kampil: "Bharat has been completely maligned. ... So many queens were there. Took them away. Stole butter. There were so many children. Actually this is all story (or biography) of Prajapita Brahma. He (i.e., Prajapita Brahma) is replaced by Krishna."
Murli dt. 29.6.71: Soul of Shree Krishna is blamed in Kaliyug. And they have applied it in Satyug. (In Hindi: Shree Krishna ki Atma par Kaliyug main kalank lagate hain. Aur unhoone Satyug main lagaya hai.)
Avyakt Vani 30.6.74: Brahma's part is recorded ( Noondha) in the duty of etablishnment (sthapana) till the end. Untill the duty of establishment is not complete. Till then part of the soul, who is the medium, is not going to end. Untill then he cannot enact another part. The part of Jagatpita ( World Father) of completing the creation of the new world is recorded in the drama. The praise of creation of all races of humanity is for Brahma only - Great Great GandFather. For this (he) is praised. Only stage, place and condition (or speed) has changed. But part of Brahma is still the same.
Murli dt. 26.2.89 page 2&3: Brahma is also called as Adam. Great Great GrandFather. Shiv is solely called Father. Sijara ( I do not know it's meaning in English might be garland) of humans begins with Brahma. That's why He is called Great Great GrandFather.
Murli dt. 13.5.73 page 1: Baba's Karmateet (beyond bindings of action) stage happens then you children's stage will also happen ... But this karmateet stage will come in the end.
Murli dt. 29.1.78 page 2: If children attain karmateet stage then knowledge will end. War will begin. I too will go completing my duty of making viceless. Establishing Deity Religion, this is My part.
Murli dt. 12.1.74 : Themselves will say this is war of Mahabharat. Surely, God will also be there. But, who is (He)? This the miserable people do not know. Definitely are children of Dhrutrashtra, blind.
Murli dt. 18.1.72 page 2: Fight of Maya will end thereafter. When Mahabharat fight begins. When parts will unfold.
Murli dt. 21.3.73 page 1: Bhagwat with Gita, and Gita is then connected with Mahabharat fight.
Murli dt. 25.6.85 page 2: Knowledge is better than dhyan (trance). Remembrance is better than knowledge.
Murli dt. 28.7.76 page 3: If complete knowledge is not understood in intellect then not able to do Yoga.
Murli dt. 9.5.71 page 2: O.K. Supreme Soul whom you remember, what is that thing? You say Is of the nature of Boundless Light. But Is not like that, remembering Boundless Light becomes wrong. Rememberance needs to be accurate, is not it? Only by rumour work (Yoga) is useless. Need to know accurately.
WHO IS Ravan?
Murli dt. 22.3.99 (Murli Khand pg.109): You are standing at Sangamyug (Confluence Age) and for people it is Kaliyug. Is how much terrible darkness. (People)Keep on falling. Someone must also be the medium (or cause). He is Ravan.
WHO IS Ram?
Murli dt. 6.2.76: Prajapita Brahma who is called Ram. He is called Great Great GrandFather. Becomes Prajapita in Human world.
( In Hindi: Prajapita Brahma jisko Ram kaha jata hai. Unko Great Great GrandFather kaha jata hai. Manushya srushti main Prajapita hua.)
Murli dt. 2.3.78 page 2: Now you souls follow according to the Shrimat of Ram ShivBaba.
Murli dt. 4.9.73 page 3: Everyone's Sadgatidata (Bestower of True Divine state) is Ram alone. (People) Sing Patit-Pavan (Purifier) Ram then why do you make others Guru (Preceptor). Father liberates from these (i.e. gurus). Separates from the chains of gurus.
In post: Has Veerendra Dev Dixit become Father to a child? page 5, by arjun on 09 Jul 2008
arjun wrote: And you level false allegation that we don't care for the masses!!!!!!
I feel that PBKs do not care for The Masses because they never try to approach and give the introduction of The GodFather (Virendra Dev Dixit as per their claim) to the common people.Just by putting in the website is not enough. As the PBK's themselves say that one to one service is essential. But PBKs themselves mostly never approach common man to give introduction of The GodFather. They have even printed course books. But have not seen doing service as BK's of BKWSU do. Even on their literature (I do not know presently what they do but earlier which I have seen) PBK's have written that it is only for Brahmakuar(i)'s. The contrast between Lekhraj Kirpalani and Virendra Dev Dixit is that Lekhraj Kirpalani accepted Himself to be Brahma's soul and that GodFather Shiv uses His body to give Godly knowledge. But Virendra Dev Dixit neither accepts himself to be Prajapita's soul nor does Virendra Dev Dixit accepts that GodFather Shiv uses his body to give knowledge. Then on what basis are the PBK's and AIVV propagting and preaching knowledge?
And the contrast between BKWSU and AIVV is that BKWSU approaches common man, the masses, and give them the message of The GodFather. Even AIVV has the right to spread the GodFatherly knowledge. But PBKs never approach common man or the masses. They in a way try to hunt disgruntled BKs.
In post: Has Veerendra Dev Dixit become Father to a child? page 5, by arjun on 09 Jul 2008
arjun wrote: We need those printed versions of BK Murlis because the BKs don't believe in anything else.
People of this world do not need literature, there is lots and lots of literature about The GodFather in this world. What the masses need is The GodFather. His Love. His Love is The Proof. He does not need literature to prove Himself. He gives His introduction Himself and also The True Gita knowledge. If you want to convince Bk's using Murli points just show them these two following Murli points. It is enough.
- Murli dt. 6-2-85, page 2: " Baap khud aakar bachoonko apna parichay dete hain. " ( In English: Father Himself comes and gives His self introduction.)
Murli dt. 27-5-85, page 2: " Prajapita Brahma kaun hai. Yah sab Baap baith samjhate hai. " ( In English: Who is Prajapita Brahma. All this Father sits and explains. )
Even in BhagwadGeeta of Bhaktimarg, Bhagwaan says to Arjun, when Arjun was confused about what to do. Bhagwan says, " Sarva Dharmaan Parityaj, Mameekam Sharanam Vraj" meaning Renounce all Religions ( that are confusing) and take shelter in Me Alone. I think this is The Knowledge. It is never possible to prove The GodFather using scriptures and science. The GodFather Himself is The Proof. But your so called GodFather ( Virendra Dev Dixit) never accepts, Virendra Dev Dixit himself doubts the knowledge given through him.
In post: Has Veerendra Dev Dixit become Father to a child? page 5, by arjun on 09 Jul 2008
arjun wrote: you are hell-bent upon defaming the PBKs who, with their limited human and financial resources have tried to put all their Godly literature, audio and video material on their website for the entire world to see.
I just gave you an example of what happened with me. Well, if you are claiming that you have no objection in putting your literature on your website for the entire world to see and if you are already doing it then it is fine. I take my words of allegation regarding this point. Henceforth I will first consult such matters with you through personal message and know your official view and then post my views.
In post: Has Veerendra Dev Dixit become Father to a child? page 5, by arjun on 09 Jul 2008
arjun wrote: You have time to write pages upon pages against the PBKs ...
I am not interested in writing and wasting my time. I had asked one question about Virendra Dev Dixit's personal life as it is very important. There was no need by anyone on this forum for criticising me. Just a simple but confident "Yes" or "No" to my question fom any PBK would have been sufficient to wind up the thread. To remind you of it, I still have not got any reply from you about my querry.
I myself received an answer on sending second email to
[email protected] that they are not in contact with Virendra Dev Dixit and that they will answer me after contacting Virendra Dev Dixit I think I personally emailed to
[email protected] on 26th June and today it is 13th July, already more than 15 days. I think it is unbeleivable that Virendra Dev Dixit remains out of contact for important inner circle PBKs who has responsibility to answer emails.
Regarding the thread of my allegation as Deceivers, I cannot allege you without any proof, and so I had to quote many things. In post: Has Veerendra Dev Dixit become Father to a child? page 5, by arjun on 09 Jul 2008,
arjun wrote: We have written umpteen number of times that he hasn't so far and will not accept that he is Prajapita or ShivBaba's corporeal medium.
And still you justify that you have right to lie and deceive others. Very childish answer from you.
In post: Has Veerendra Dev Dixit become Father to a child? page 5, by arjun on 09 Jul 2008
arjun wrote: When you don't have time to think before making false allegations, do you think others will spend their precious time to do research on your statements couched in disrespect for fellow human beings?
The only so called false allegation I have made is referring my personal experience in PBK class. I have experienced stranger like looks and unwelcome looks from many PBK's particularly sisters and other female PBK's when I started to raise questions on the basis of Murli points and explantion given by Virendra Dev Dixit I have not remarked on your behaviour. I asked you to quote Virendra Dev Dixit with respect to my letter.
I have seen you quoting Virendra Dev Dixit very often whenever anything came up with the explanation given by Virendra Dev Dixit But you thought it unnecessary to quote Virendra Dev Dixit regarding answer to my letter. And so I asked you whether you are being hesitant to quote it. Yes, my replies were couched, and you know the reason. I have mentioned it. I want you and PBK's in general or Virendra Dev Dixit to come with a satisfactory answer to the question I have raised. Because it is affecting The Rudra Gnyaana Yagnya and many people's life. I have made allegation based on your conduct. And I called you shameless because you are justifying your irresponsible ways.
In Post: Has Veerendra Dev Dixit become Father to a child? by arjun on 09 Jul 2008,
arjun wrote: you yourself have quoted so many Murli points in the Commonroom section without giving any inference. Where is the need for you to quote Murlis if you have 100% faith in GodFather being with you and Dada Lekhraj having taken rebirth. Do you think Dadi Janaki will believe you if you say Dada Lekhraj has taken rebirth in 1969?
I have quoted without given inference because you think Virendra Dev Dixit as the Supreme Teacher's part and as you are His (ShivBaba's) student I have asked PBK's including you to answer consulting Virendra Dev Dixit if required. I have already written about this above. There is no need to quote for me. It is for you, but I am not bent upon proving it. I had some Murli points and I quoted, I am not pressurising anyone to give Murlis. I need none to beleive me.
In post: Has Veerendra Dev Dixit become Father to a child? page 5, by arjun on 09 Jul 2008
arjun wrote: But we have no objection if you declare yourself as Prajapita or Dada Lekhraj's next corporeal birth.
I have not asked your permission for it. And do not need your assent.
Thanks.
Sanjeev.