new Knowledge wrote: 2)In BKWSU, broad drama is referred as 'Had ka drama', i.e, the drama of Limited sense of meaning & the Confluence Age Drama is referred as 'Behad ka drama',
Dear new knowledge soul,
There was an error in my last quote. My reply [‘2)’] was for your above quote. I am mentioning it below again since it is just of two sentences.
2)Not true. But many BKs do not know meaning of this Murli point. I also had doubt when heard first time. But got cleared later by another Murli point which clearly says as just explained above
new Knowledge wrote : As I was taught in the basic 7-days BK Godly knowledge course, just as this Corporeal World is comprised of 5 elements - earth, water, air, fire & ether; similarly Paramdham is made of the Brahm element - the 6th element of the nature. What's this Brahm element as believed by BKs & PBKs? What are its attributes?
Even BKs do not have full concept of this. I am also not perfect. At present my belief is: The whole space can be viewed as a sphere of infinite radius. In that there is an inner sphere which is the corporeal world. There are actually only four elements- earth, water, fire & air. Rest everything is empty space (aakaasha tatw) . The space beyond the corporeal world is incorporeal world (Paramdham= Brahm element). Actually there is no difference between aakaash tatw and Brahm tatw [tatw = element]. They are just empty space. But since the four elements have a boundary(inner sphere), the two spaces are differentiated as akash element and brahm element. No change occurs in Brahma tatw, but occurs in akash tatw.
new Knowledge wrote : BKs also believe that some part of this Brahm element of Paramdham temporarily get converted into the Subtle Region during the Confluence Age. Here I am a little bit confused about how temporary conversion of the Brahm element of Paramdham get converted into the Subtle Region? How could some part of Paramdham, which is 'the Dead Silence World', convert (though temporarily!) into the Subtle Region, which is the Movie
There is no conversion. The lowest part(= adjacent to corporeal world) of Brahm element is used for extra/special part during Confluence Age. The subtle deities will reside in this region.
new Knowledge wrote: “mbbhat wrote:After getting knowledge of seven days course, it is enough if you just remember Baba, Shantidham & Sukhdham”.
Remember Baba & Sukhdham - this may be understood; but what about remembrance of Shantidham? How could that inert Paramdham be the Silence World? Relative to what is that inert Paramdham Silent??? When & how the concept of such inert Soul World, 'as the Dead Silence World', appeared in BK philosophy?
A Murli point says “just remembering Paramdham is a waste. One has to remember Baba and soul there”. Baba says “sanyasis remember just Brahm and sins won’t get burnt”.
[I think Sanyasis consider soul, mind, God, body everything as one and the same(the world is just an illusion). So they try to make their mind blank (feel everything as illusion or nothing really exists). So there is no real experience. Because they consider the cahitanya atma(I-= soul) as jada(the house)].
But BKs imagine(feel) that I am in my home (Sanyasis’ feeling is =like I(soul) do not exist at all!, because they feel that all is one, I am you, I am God, etc). Hence there is a HUGE difference.
The dead silence does not indicate inert silence. It indicates STABILITY, UN INFLUENCED(nothing can influence a dead body. Nobody can impress it). It is highly powerful.
When value is given to murti(person), automatically values of mandir(house) increase. As the company, so is the experience. When we imagine(visualize) ShivBaba(point) in Paramdham automatically Paramdham becomes live. We experience highest bliss. When a soul enters body the inert body become live. Similarly when we consider ourselves in Paramdham, it becomes sweet. [It is not the palace that influences a King. House cannot influence a rich, royal person. It is the King who influences the Palace. If King is vacant the palace is inert. If King is present in the palace, palace is live! As the person his furniture, house would be.
Even if two persons are together but sleeping, there cannot be experience. But even if two persons are very far communicating with each other (by telephone, say) there can be enjoyment. So the inertness has nothing to do with Paramdham. We experience what we think more than what we do and that is more than where we are. {This is the power of thoughts}.
Another interesting thing:- Actually the need is to forget impure things and impure world. But if Baba just says forget this world it would be difficult for children to forget. Something should be given to take something. So Babamay be directing children to remember HIM in Paramdham instead of in this world. Otherwise children cannot forget the impure Chariot easily. Baba always mentions forget all the bodies and bodily relations. Taking the mind to Paramdham is the easiest way to forget this world. After practice, within few minutes(sometimes few seconds) one will be able to make his eyes blind(forget whatever he sees) and he will be like in Paramdham(always peaceful) here itself. This is the meaning of what Baba says “Bring Paramdham here”. Unfortunately PBKs are caught by impure body. Instead of becoming Kings (independent of bodies), there is no attempt to move out of the body. (This is what I feel). They are like slaves(attached) to both the impure Chariot as well as their own present weak bodies (since they have attachment in their present body also. They all wish the present impure body should not get destroyed. There is no real vairagya(dis interest) at all).
Have a thought on this:- We have two states in our life; awakened and asleep. We go on getting tired during awakened stage. We get rest during sleep. But we do not really experience the sleep. Because we would be in ignorance(totally forgotten) during that period. Just imagine if we could really experience sleep! It would be even better than just sleeping, is in not? This is the state that can be realized in Confluence Age. This is the power of knowledge. (I think this is one of the reasons why it is said Knowledge is Power). BKs experience power of Silence in physical world.
Another thing: If power of silence is experienced in Paramdham(as per your views- you said that the experience in Paramdham will be better than here) it cannot be called as power. Because there are no vighnas(obstacles) in Paramadham. Hence I feel there cannot be any special experience in Paramdham as you think. A Murli point also states that “tumharaa is samay ka martaba sabse oonch hai(your present status is the highest)”.
BKs feel that they are malik(owner) of Paramdham in Confluence Age by remembering both self and Baba there. But PBKs do not become Maalik of Paramdham. Because they do not consider them to be there at all!. So how can PBKs get the title of Brahmaand ke maalik? Actually experience of Paramdham is possible only during Confluence Age. The top most soul in PBKs itself(Dixit) does not stay physically in Paramdham or considers to be maalik of Paramdham (in remembrance)!
I think:- PBKs even do not have right to say they are maalik of corporeal Paramdham(Dixit) because they do not consider themselves to be owner of Vidrendra Dixit’s body. They neither visualize themselves to be present in Dixit’s body during their remembrance.
Something relevant:- A
Murli point says, "When you remember Paramdham you will automatically remember ShivBaba, because you have knowledge". So the meaning of remembering Shantidham means highest manmanabhav(ShivBaba in Paramdham). Since Sanyasis do not differentiate between Soul, Supreme Soul and Paramdham their effort becomes waste.
