ShivBaba and Prajapita

[shivsena]

Gyan Surya = ShivBaba
Gyan Chandrama = Soul of Brahma = Soul of Krishna
Gyan Sitaare = First 9 lac 16,108 deity souls of "adi Satyug" or "adi swarg " or "Sangamyugi swarg"
Out of 9 lakh 16,108 highest deity souls (Gyan Sitaare), only one star is "dhruv taaraa" or the star who does not change his position (i.e.Soul of Ram).

Dear arjun Bhai.
Do you agree with the manthan of suryavanshi Bhai about Gyan-surya, Gyan-chandrama and Gyan-sitare?
Is this the teaching of advance knowledge or there are many other pbk views each different from the other.
Please give your views as per advance knowledge.
shivsena.

[arjun]

Do you agree with the manthan of suryavanshi Bhai about Gyan-surya, Gyan-chandrama and Gyan-sitare?
Is this the teaching of Advanced Knowledge or there are many other PBK views each different from the other.
Please give your views as per Advanced Knowledge.

Dear brother,
Om Shanti. Suryavanshi Bhai has mentioned ShivBaba as Gyaan Soorya (Sun of Knowledge), but I doubt if it is ShivBaba or just the soul of Ram because the incorporeal Shiv cannot be compared with anyone. It is the human souls who can be compared with each other as Sun, Moon or Stars.

As regards Gyaan Chandrama (Moon of knowledge), his mention about the soul of Krishna is correct, but some PBKs may view the soul of Jagdamba as Gyaan Chandrama.

As regards the Gyaan Sitaarey (Stars of knowledge), his mention about the 9, 16,108 souls is correct, but half of them will be with their bodies (seed-form souls/PBKs) and half of the souls (root-form souls/BKs) without their own bodies, but will be present in the former half.

As regards the Dhruv Tara (Pole Star) that is a different comparison (comparison between all the star-like human souls) and not to be included in this comparison between Sun, Moon and Stars.
Regards,
OGS,
Arjun

[shivsena]

Dear suryavanshi Bhai.
According to you Ram is the child of Shiva and Krishna is the child and wife of Shiva. Now please tell me who is the elder child (badaa Bhai) out of the two and who is being taught RajYoga by Shiva? Also please clarify how Shiva is using the body of Virendra Dev Dixit to create the mouth born children PBKs(prajapita mukh-vanshavali)?

shivsena.

[suryavanshi]

I doubt if it is ShivBaba or just the soul of Ram

Is Soul of Ram "Suryavanshi"(belonging to Sun Dynasty) or "Surya" himself ? For example, there is a difference between Raja(King) Raghu and Raghuvanshis. All those who are staunch followers of Raghu are called Raghuvanshis and Raja Raghu himself is not called as Raghuvanshi but His descendants are called Raghuvanshis. Similarly, all the numberwise followers of Gyan Surya ( ShivBaba ) are also called Suryavanshis and Soul of Ram is the number one "Suryavanshi" or number one follower of Gyan Surya(ShivBaba).

[suryavanshi]

Raja(King) arjun

it is " Raja(King) Raghu"

[suryavanshi]

According to you Ram is the child of Shiva and Krishna is the child and wife of Shiva. Now please tell me who is the elder child (badaa Bhai) out of the two and who is being taught RajYoga by Shiva? Also please clarify how Shiva is using the body of Veerendra Dev Dixit to create the mouth born children PBKs(Prajapita mukh-vanshavali)?

Dear Brother,

elder child is Soul of Ram and RajYoga is taught by Shiva to both of them.

Shiva through Virendra Dev Dixit has adopted Brahma or Jagdamba and through them (both Sakar Mother and Father) Sakar Prajapita Brahma Mukhvanshavali are created.

[arjun]

Dear suryavanshi Bhai,
Om Shanti. In some of your recent posts nothing was visible in the quotes except inverted commas. When I checked I found out that you had pressed the quote button twice.

So, whenever you are making quotes press the quote button only once and paste the matter to be quoted in between the two quote marks, i.e.;

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And in order to save space on this forum, whenever you make a quote please do not leave a line before starting the actual text.
Regards,
OGS,
Arjun

[shivsena]

elder child is Soul of Ram and RajYoga is taught by Shiva to both of them. Shiva through Veerendra Dev Dixit has adopted Brahma or Jagdamba and through them (both Sakar Mother and Father) Sakar Prajapita Brahma Mukhvanshavali are created.

Dear suryavanshi Bhai.

This is the first time i am hearing that Ram is elder brother. I always thought that Krishna is elder brother (Dada). Can you quote any Murli which says that Ram is elder brother and that Ram is learning RajYoga by Shiva?

Also in ''BapDada'', Ram becomes bap and Krishna becomes elder brother. Now you say that both Ram and Krishna are brothers. Why this ambiguity???

Om Shanti. Suryavanshi Bhai has mentioned ShivBaba as Gyaan Soorya (Sun of Knowledge), but I doubt if it is ShivBaba or just the soul of Ram because the incorporeal Shiv cannot be compared with anyone. It is the human souls who can be compared with each other as Sun, Moon or Stars. As regards the Dhruv Tara (Pole Star) that is a different comparison (comparison between all the star-like human souls) and not to be included in this comparison between Sun, Moon and Stars.

Dear arjun Bhai.
Thanks for your views.
If you say that among all the souls, Ram is Gyan surya and will attain 100% nirakari stage and become like Shiva and get all the titles of Shiva, then how come during the shooting period Ram is prajapita (saakari), and Bharat (brashtachari) and no.1 patit-kami-kanta as per advance knowledge. This is what i am not able to understand. Can you please clarify this?

shivsena.

[suryavanshi]

This is the first time i am hearing that Ram is elder Brother. I always thought that Krishna is elder Brother (Dada). Can you quote any Murli which says that Ram is elder Brother and that Ram is learning RajYoga by Shiva? Also in ''BapDada'', Ram becomes bap and Krishna becomes elder Brother. Now you say that both Ram and Krishna are Brothers. Why this ambiguity???

It was not said in above response that elder child = elder borther. Elder child is Soul of Ram(refer below) and Elder Brother is Soul of Krishna(Brahma).There is no ambiguity.

"Accha.Kumarka Bataaon ShivBaba ke kitne bacchen hain? ... ShivBaba ke do bacche hain . Brahma aur Shankar"
And in " Trimurti Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar , sabse badaa hain Shankar ... " i.e eldest is Shankar. Aur Shankar kuch nahi kartaa as per Murli ... sirf Yaad kartein huaain dikhaatein hain ... and Soul of Ram has only one job to remember Shiv as much as possible ...

So, soul of Ram is the eldest child of Shiv. But Soul of Ram is also the Father of human tree. So, relation of each soul (including soul of Brahma/Krishna) with the soul of Ram is of Father and son. So, our relation with soul of Ram is of Father and son and soul of Krishna is our elder brother(badaa Bhai)

[shivsena]

Dear brother.

This is again a misconception in the minds of PBKs that Shankar= Ram's soul=prajapita.

According to advance knowledge Shankar's role is mixed part and played through the body of Virendra Dev Dixit and not by the soul of Ram. Also according to Murlis, Shankar is is a subtle deity and cannot be saakari and prajapita is saakari and cannot be in Subtle Region; also it is said in Murlis that ''Brahma hai prajapita, Shankar ko prajapita nahin kahenge''. So how can PBKs say that Ram = prajapita = Shankar. It is true that all roles will be played through the body of Virendra Dev Dixit, but one has to identify which soul is playing which role? Otherwise there is no difference bewteen gyanmarg and Bhakti marg. This is the ambiguity in advance knowledge.

shivsena.

[suryavanshi]

Dear Brother,

Ambiguity is created but there is no ambiguity. Refer to the above Murli point again where ShivBaba is talking to Kumarka. It is cited below in complete detail.

"Kumarka! Bataa aon -ShivBaba ke kitne bacche hain ? koi kahtaa hain 500 karod hain, koi kahtein hain ek Brahma bacchaa hain. Yah bhi gunjaaeesh hain.Main kahtaa hoon-ShivBaba ke do bacche hain kyonki Brahma -wah toh Vishnu ban jaatein hain. Baaki rahaa Shankar- toh do huain na ? " mu 15/5/1977

Here, ShivBaba is pointing out that Shankar is His child and Brahma is also His child.Now, here He is not referring to Shankar as mixed part here because if it was referred to mixed part then He should have said that He has only one child Shankar because if Shankar is mixed then, soul of Brahma is also playing its part and soul of Ram is also playing its part. Since both the souls are in one, He should have said that He has only one child Shankar(since by saying one child Shankar, both Brahma and Soul of Ram come in one name, i.e.Shankar). But He has said that He has two child -- Shankar and Brahma and not just one . So, definitely Shankar refers to one soul here, since Brahma (soul of Krishna) is already mentioned separately as a second child here and other soul is Shiv in Shankar and Shiv cannot be a child of Shiv. So, only soul of Ram remains and therefore, "Shankar" refers to soul of Ram here. Another evidence of Ram being called Shankar is that Shankar is always shown to be deeply in meditation or remembrance of One. Now, who is in deep remembrance in the Body of Virendra Dev Dixit ? It is definitely soul of Ram and not soul of Brahma or soul of Shiv because it is soul of Ram only who can attain baap(Shiv) samaan stage and become equal to Him (Shiv) by remembrance.

[shivsena]

Dear brother.

Your argument about Shankar being the child of Shiva again shows the confusion and ignorance in the minds of PBKs about what Shiva speaks in Murlis. PBKs have this habit of seeing at only one Murli point and arriving at a conclusion. They convienently forget to see other Murlis points and fail to co-relate them with each other. It is also said in Murlis that "Shankar is not prajapita" and by believing that ''Ram is Shankar'' and ''Ram is prajapita", PBKs contradict their own beliefs and dis-respect the Murlis of Shiva. PBKs have this habit of quoting and remembering only those points which prove that advance knowledge is the correct explanation of Murlis, but the truth is that the whole advance knowledge is just a bundle of contradictions and ambiguities invented by mayavi Krishna to take the PBKs away from the practical form of Ramshivbaba (by teaching that Ram is prajapita).

When this fact will be known in the end, then all PBKs who have been thinking that bindi is ShivBaba (like BKs)will have to repent and then the Bhakti-marg sayings "SO NEAR YET SO FAR" AND "THE GREATEST DARKNESS IS BELOW THE LAMP" will be aptly fitting on those PBKs who have identified Ram's body but have not understood his 100% nirakari stage as Ramshivbaba.
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'SO WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE". This is my sincere appeal to all PBKs".

shivsena.

[andrey]

Shivsena is double Gyan Surya, because the Sun of Knowledge gives the light of knowledge to those who are in the darkness of ignorance. For us there is darkness now, but we don't even realize, so we are in double darkness - the situation he describes. There cannot be light for us now and for anyone, from anywhere. What we think to be light is even more darkness, he says. Everywhere with everyone there are only misconceptions over misconceptions. Truth is only in the Murli, but it is only shivsena so far who has churned it to derive the light of the new idea and to present it to us.

At the moment, or in the past (maybe in future too) as there is no star in the sky to match the light of the sun, this way from nowhere else we can receive the light of enlightment now but only from the Sun of Knowledge shivsena who may not say like this from his mouth, that I am the Sun of Knowledge, but from his actions it becomes visible that where from the light of knowledge is coming at present. We have to follow this double light. :wink:

[shivsena]

Truth is only in the Murli, but it is only shivsena so far who has churned it to derive the light of the new idea and to present it to us.

Yes - Truth is only in the Murlis of Shiva and in code form. If you too start churning the Murlis and stop hearing the cds, then you too can be double light and might farishta who will reveal Ramshivbaba in future. There is no purusharth in just listening and nodding to cds; what will count in the end is your own effort of churning of Murlis( which will be your source of income for your next 84 births).
shivsena.

[andrey]

But then why in the Avyakt Vanis it is said tht it is good time that we have come into that we don't have to churn. Butter is already churned and we just have to eat. Who has churned this butter that we have to eat? Is this you?