Who is teaching RajYoga?? [from when and to whom??]

[Roy]

Murli dated 4-07-2013 says,:"You have come to know who the one called Jagadamba is. Who is actually the Mother and Father? By saying "Mother and Father" Jagadamba will not be remembered. This applies to the incorporeal One. This is only in your intellects. It is accurate that God, the Father, is the Father. He is incorporeal."... "The Father says: I explain such deep secrets to you. It cannot sit in anyone's intellect who the Mother and Father is."

To be a mother and Father, Father Shiv has to take the support of a corporeal body... otherwise He is only Father of all souls... soul is male, nature(5 elements) is female...

"Who is this Prajapita(Ram), who is also Mother and Father of all? Since (Incorporeal)ShivBaba(i.e. Father Shiv) is only Father of all souls... this Brahma(Baba Krishna) is child of ShivBaba as well as wife of ShivBaba... and this Prajapita(Ram), is both Father and Mother of all. Who is this soul? [Mu 11.12.01]

The question is... who is the soul who achieves the incorporeal stage equal to Father Shiv's... through whose corporeal body the part of mother and Father is played... i.e. who is Ardhanarishwar?

[shivsena]

Dear shivsena,
whehever word 'Father' is used in Murli points it is always refered to Nirakar Shiv who is akarta. Whenever word 'mother' is used in Murli points it is always referred to Shivshakti-Jagdamba. This is what I could understand....
Murli dated 4-07-2013 says,:"You have come to know who the one called Jagadamba is. Who is actually the Mother and Father? By saying "Mother and Father" Jagadamba will not be remembered. This applies to the incorporeal One. This is only in your intellects. It is accurate that God, the Father, is the Father. He is incorporeal."

and the same Murli says,:"The Father says: I explain such deep secrets to you. It cannot sit in anyone's intellect who the Mother and Father is."

Dear shivachild.

In one Murli it is said: "Vande matram hai toh vande-pitram saath mei hai hi "...so we have to first find who is this vande-matram !!!...obviously it is Maa jagdamba adi-shakti with whom shiv is always combined (see pictures of Maa jagdamba third eye)

In another Murli it is said: "ShivBaba mat-pita kaise hai yeh koi nahi jaanta"...imo, this also refers to no. 1 soul Maa jagdamba who has all the virtues-qualities-powers of Father Shiva. (shakti is the expression of Shiva)

[shivachild]

Mother and Father are combined. /color]another Murli point is given below:


Murli dated 04.01.2013 says,:"This Mother and Father are combined. It is very difficult for human beings to understand this. Nevertheless, this is the main aspect to understand. The incorporeal Supreme Father, the Supreme Soul, who is called the Father is also called the Mother. This is a wonderful aspect. When the Supreme Father, the Supreme Soul, creates the human world, a mother is definitely needed. This aspect is so deep that it does not enter anyone's intellect. He is the Father of all and so a mother is definitely needed. That Father is incorporeal, so whom should He adopt to be the mother? He doesn't marry anyone. All of these aspects are extremely deep and entertaining. New ones cannot understand these things and, even though older ones do understand, they find it difficult to keep in their consciousness."

[shivachild]

The incorporeal Supreme Father, the Supreme Soul, who is called the Father is also called the Mother.

Dear Shivsena ,
The above statement is regarding incorporeal form of Supreme Soul Shiva. As far as corporeal form is concerned, Avyakt Vani date 18.01.1988 says:" Brahma is the only special soul whose part as a mother and a Father in a corporeal form is fixed in drama. The children remember the double form of the great soul who has a double part - but when you remember him, remember the elevated hope in the heart of Brahma the mother and Father, that everyone should become equal."

Who is this Brahma according to you?

[shivsena]

Dear Shivsena ,
The above statement is regarding incorporeal form of Supreme Soul Shiva. As far as corporeal form is concerned, Avyakt Vani date 18.01.1988 says:" Brahma is the only special soul whose part as a mother and a Father in a corporeal form is fixed in drama. The children remember the double form of the great soul who has a double part - but when you remember him, remember the elevated hope in the heart of Brahma the mother and Father, that everyone should become equal."

Who is this Brahma according to you?

Dear shivachild.
Very good avaykt-Vani quote about brahma being Mother as well as Father.....imo, this brahma is badi-Maa jagdamba who is world mother and Father both by virtue of Father shiv always combined with her....BKs think that Krishna-Lekhraj Kirpalani-Brahma is mother as well as Father....PBKs think that mother is DLR and Father is -Virendra Dev Dixit....but 108 shivshaktis will believe that Trinetri Maa adi-shakti jagdamba is both mother and Father combined.(rememberence is shivling)

[shivachild]

....imo, this Brahma is badi-Maa jagdamba who is world mother and Father both by virtue of Father Shiv always combined with her....(rememberence is shivling)

Dear Shivsena,
Do you want to say that:
1)Brahma=Mother+Father=No. 1 Shivshakti
2)ShivBaba=Shiv+Brahma=Shiv+No.1 Shivshakti
3)BapDada=Bap(Brahma=No.1 Shivshakti)+Dada(Shiv)

*Shiv is the Father of Brahma.Therefore Shiv is Granfather(Dada) and we all are Grand son/Grand Daughter of Shiv.

[shivachild]

The question is... who is the soul who achieves the incorporeal stage equal to Father Shiv's... through whose corporeal body the part of mother and Father is played... i.e. who is Ardhanarishwar?

Dear Roy,
Avyakt BapDada trance message dated 04.03.1969 says,:"Mama was talking about the welfare of the children. I said: "Mama, you even called Baba here". Mama replied: " Mama also did not wish for the corporeal form of the mother and Father to be separated from the children, but it was in the drama".

Now it is upto to intellect of the children to decide who is Brahma who also played the role of the mother and the Father before 1969. Brahma is the only special soul that played the role of mother and Father in corporeal form.

[shivsena]

Dear Shivsena,
Do you want to say that:
1)Brahma=Mother+Father=No. 1 Shivshakti
2)ShivBaba=Shiv+Brahma=Shiv+No.1 Shivshakti
3)BapDada=Bap(Brahma=No.1 Shivshakti)+Dada(Shiv)

*Shiv is the Father of Brahma.Therefore Shiv is Granfather(Dada) and we all are Grand son/Grand Daughter of Shiv.

Dear shivachild.

Imo, behad ka bap is Mama and Dada-Lekhraj Kirpalani-Krishna is behad ka bada Bhai....so BapDada means Mama(Ram)+ Krishna combined....and their combination will be revealed as Vishnu-viraat roop....That is why Vishnu is known as Ram-Krishna combined in Bhakti-marg.....BKs feel that BapDada is shiv+Krishna-Lekhraj Kirpalani combined....while PBKs think that BapDada is Ram-Virendra Dev Dixit +Krishna-Lekhraj Kirpalani combined....each group will have their own interpretation.

[shivachild]

Dear shivachild.
Imo, behad ka bap is Mama and Dada-Lekhraj Kirpalani-Krishna is behad ka bada Bhai....so BapDada means Mama(Ram)+ Krishna combined....and their combination will be revealed as Vishnu-viraat roop....That is why Vishnu is known as Ram-Krishna combined in Bhakti-marg.....BKs feel that BapDada is Shiv+Krishna-Lekhraj Kirpalani combined....while PBKs think that BapDada is Ram-Virendra Dev Dixit +Krishna-Lekhraj Kirpalani combined....each group will have their own interpretation.

It is very interesting to note that the word 'BapDada' has three meanings.

1)Bap =Father=Brahma & Dada=Grandfather=Shiv

Please refer the Murli point dated 05.07.2013,:"Here is no one other than the Grandfather and the grandchildren. It is now very easy to remember these things. We are Brahma Kumars and Kumaris and so Brahma is our Father, and Shiva is our Grandfather"

and the same Murli says,:"You do not receive the inheritance from the Father but you receive it from the Grandfather."

2)Bap=Shiv & Dada=Brahma

Please refer the following Murli point dated 27.10.2010,:"Now you children understand that Bap(Father) enters in this, so it is called BapDada. Bap is different Dada is different. Bap is Shiv, Dada is Brahma. Inheritence is given by Shiv through this ."

3)Bap=Shiv & Dada=Big Brother-Lekhraj Kirpalani
Murli dated 22.09.2005 says,:"Now you know that our Baba has come in this. This body has its own soul, and then the Supreme Father Supreme Soul says – I am sitting in his Chariot. That is why you say BapDada. Now you see Dada through these eyes; you do not see Bap"


The third Meaning is the same thing that you have said.

[shivsena]

Dear shivachild.

Sharing a relevant trance message(avaykt sandesh) about BapDada.(16-1-02.)
"Ab avaykt part ko toh koto mein koi, aur koi mein bhi koi hi jaan-pehchan sakta hai."[''Now avaykt part can be recognised only by one in a crore(10 million)'' ]

The above trance message clearly mentions that the avaykt part will be recognised correctly only by 108 souls(koto mein koi...who will know that avaykt Brahma is Maa-jagdamba(no. 1 shivshakti) and not Lekhraj Kirpalani Brahma (as is commonly believed by BKs-PBKs ie 9,16,000 souls).

[shivachild]

Dear shivachild.

Imo, behad ka bap is Mama and Dada-Lekhraj Kirpalani-Krishna is behad ka bada Bhai....so BapDada means Mama(Ram)+ Krishna combined....and their combination will be revealed as Vishnu-viraat roop....That is why Vishnu is known as Ram-Krishna combined in Bhakti-marg....

Dear Shivsena,
Murli dated 02-11-2007 says,"8 will pass with hounour.You should be within them. If not try to be within 108. Margin is also for 16108.This old Brahma will pass and become number one. young Mama will also become number one.".

According to this Murli point,

1) Bap=No. 1 Shivshakti-Om radhey Mama(Ram)
2) Dada=No. 1 Shivshakti(Brahma)=Lekhraj Kirpalani-Big Brother (Krishna)

i.e. BapDada=Ram(combined with Shiv)+Krishna(combined with Shiv)


Avyakt Vani dated 22.01.1969 says,:"The task of establishment will continue, as it has done from the beginning, until the end. BapDada will continue to give directions to all the children through those that he has made instruments, and everyone will experience the directions of Bap and Dada together. At the confluence, Bap and Dada cannot be separated."

Ram and Krishna both are No.1 souls.
Do you agree with this explanation?

[shivsena]

Ram and Krishna both are No.1 souls.
Do you agree with this explanation?

Imo, Ram (Mama is no. 1 soul ALAF) is rachieta... and Krishna-Lekhraj Kirpalani is creation.....both are combined as BapDada from 1965 onwards.

[shivachild]

Imo, Ram (Mama is no. 1 soul ALAF) is rachieta... and Krishna-Lekhraj Kirpalani is creation.....both are combined as BapDada from 1965 onwards.

Dear Shivsena,
Murli dated 05.07.2013 says,:" Shiv Baba speaks through Brahma and this Brahma also listens. Saraswati, the first daughter of Brahma, has also been remembered. Brahma Kumari Saraswati, the world mother, is praised a great deal. She claims an even greater inheritance than Brahma. This is why Lakshmi is remembered first, then Narayan."

As per the above Murli point Saraswati is the first daughter of Brahma. Is there any difference between Saraswati and jagdamba?

[shivsena]

As per the above Murli point Saraswati is the first daughter of Brahma. Is there any difference between Saraswati and jagdamba?

Dear shivachild.

Imo, Saraswati is one of the 9-forms of Maa-adishakti-jagdamba.(as per picture below)...the 9-forms of Maa-jagdamba are titled as per the duties she performed in Sangamyug....Saraswati is the first daughter of Brahma-jagdamba(badi Maa), as Maa ka pahela kartavya hai bacchon ko Gyan sunana....relation between jagdamba- Saraswati is Mother-daughter.(Maa-beti)...the picture below also proves the Murli point: "ShivBaba(Mama) hai bahuroopi" ...this Murli point does not apply on bindi ShivBaba or dehdhari-ShivBaba-Virendra Dev Dixit.

[shivachild]

Murli dated 20.11.2012 says,:"There is great praise of the Kumaris. Mama is the main one. That one is the Sun of Knowledge and this one is the incognito Mama . Hardly anyone understands this secret. The temples that have been created are also to that Mama. There is no temple to this incognito old Mama. We are the mother and Father in the combined form."

Dear Shivsena,
As per this Murli point Mama(Om-radhey) is Sun of Knowledge. As we know that Sun is known to have its own light, in the same way Mama(Om Radhey) is spreading light of knowledge in the whole world.