Who is Bharat and who are Bharatwasis ??

[shivsena]

Dear arjun Bhai.

Murli 7-12-99 says " Sarva-shastramayi shiromani Gita Bhagwan ne gaayi hai, parantu Bhagwan kisko kaha jaata hai yeh Bharatwasis ko pataa nahin hain." [ meaning: '' God has spoken highest scripture Gita, but Bharatwasis do not know who is this God"]
BKs would interpret this Murli point by concluding that the Bharatwasis of Bharatland do not know bindishiv who is God of Gita.
But the above Murli point clearly refers to the behad ka drama, where bharatwasis(PBKs) do not know who is the personified practical form of God ShivBaba, who will narrate the highest scripture Gita in future, which will divinise souls and transform the world. Bindishiv has neither transformed the bk world nor the pbk world.

shivsena.

[shivsena]

Dear arjun Bhai.

Murli 25-8-94 says " Shiv ko naa jaanene ke karan Bharat ka bedaa dubaa hua hai. ShivBaba dwara hi Bharat ka bedaa paar hota hai." [ meaning : " By not knowing who is shiv (personified practical form), Bharat's fleet(pbk family) has sunk (degenerating). Only by knowing ShivBaba(practical form), Bharat's fleet(pbk family) can reach the destination.]

The above Murli point clearly indicates the present status of the pbk family (Bharat's fleet) in 1994, which is sinking today by adulterated advance knowledge, and only when Ramshivbaba(practical form of ShivBaba) comes and narrates sacchi Gita, then only there will be salvation of the pbk family .

shivsena.

[shivsena]

Dear arjun Bhai.

Murli 8-10-05 says "Din-prati-din Bharat kitna girta jaata hai". [ ''Day by day Bharat keeps on falling'' ] ; Who is this "Bharat" who keeps on falling daily even in 2005???

BKs have no knowledge of Bharat, so they have no idea of how Bharat keeps on falling daily.
PBKs believe that Bharat is Ram's soul who is in continous Yoga with Shiva and has become viceless in 1976; but how can a soul who has become viceless in 1976 keep on falling in 2005 ??? ..this is food for thought for all PBKs.

So which is this soul ''Bharat'' whom Shiva has forseen in 2005, will keep on falling daily; It is none other than Krishna's soul (in Virendra Dev Dixit) who has been falling right from 1990 by narrating jhooti Gita(advance knowledge) to PBKs [Murli point: "Bharat hi responsible hai apne ko girane aur sabko girane ke liye"-- meaning : Bharat(Krishna) is responsible for his own downfall and for the downfall of others(PBKs).

shivsena.

[nivi]

So which is this soul ''Bharat'' whom Shiva has forseen in 2005, will keep on falling daily; It is none other than Krishna's soul (in Veerendra Dev Dixit) who has been falling right from 1990 by narrating jhooti Gita(Advanced Knowledge) to PBKs [Murli point: "Bharat hi responsible hai apne ko girane aur sabko girane ke liye"-- meaning : Bharat(Krishna) is responsible for his own downfall and for the downfall of others(PBKs).

Why do you blame Bharat( Krishna) or anyone else for your dowfall when you haven't done your own homework. When the teacher gives the lessons to practise you are asleep and than you go on blaming and defaming him. Until we read/hear the Murlis in atmic(soul) stage we cannot understand the real Gyan. It will be just like reading a novel.

[shivsena]

Why do you blame Bharat( Krishna) or anyone else for your dowfall when you haven't done your own homework. When the teacher gives the lessons to practise you are asleep and than you go on blaming and defaming him. Until we read/hear the Murlis in atmic(soul) stage we cannot understand the real Gyan. It will be just like reading a novel.

I am not blaming anyone but just reminding the Murli points given in Murlis.
As per Murlis, Bharat (Krishna) has been given this part of narrating jhooti Gita and causing his own downfall and the downfall of PBKs but it is not in the destiny to 16000 to understand this fact of Murlis; only those who study and churn the Murlis over the years will understand this fact and will make an attempt to challenge the advance knowledge with Murli points and try to come in 108.

Yes--most of the BKs and PBKs are reading and listening to Murlis like a novel and not churning at all and hence they are not able to understand the ambiguities of advance knowledge.

Let us wait and see who is defaming ShivBaba: those who believe that Ram is Ravan, is patit kami kanta, is prajapita, is Bharat.....OR ....those who believe that Ram is Bhagwan, ShivBaba, parampita paramatma, Ishwar.

shivsena.

[andrey]

Shivsena wrote

As per Murlis, Bharat (Krishna) has been given this part of narrating jhooti Gita and causing his own downfall and the downfall of PBKs

Nothing like this it is not said in the Murli, but it is your own interpretation. If you are able to, please quote some points from the Murli to support your view.

[shivsena]

Nothing like this it is not said in the Murli, but it is your own interpretation. If you are able to, please quote some points from the Murli to support your view.

I will try to find the date and the exact Murli point in a few days.
If i give you the Murli proof, then would you believe that advance knowledge is jhooti Gita.

shivsena.

[shivsena]

Shivsena wrote;
As per Murlis, Bharat (Krishna) has been given this part of narrating jhooti Gita and causing his own downfall and the downfall of PBKs
Andrey wrote: Nothing like this it is not said in the Murli, but it is your own interpretation. If you are able to, please quote some points from the Murli to support your view.

To all those who believe that i am fabricating my own points:

Murli 9-8-05 says "Bharat giraa hai toh sab gire; Bharat hi responsible hai apne ko girane aur sabko girane ke liye" [ meaning: "When Bharat falls everyone falls. Bharat(Krishna) is responsible for his own downfall and the downfall of others" ie.PBKs ]

From the above Murli, it is very clear that Bharat alias Krishna ie Baba Dixit is responsible for his own downfall and the downfall of PBKs during night of brahma.

shivsena.

[arjun]

Murli 9-8-05 says "Bharat giraa hai toh sab gire; Bharat hi responsible hai apne ko girane aur sabko girane ke liye" [ meaning: "When Bharat falls everyone falls. Bharat(Krishna) is responsible for his own downfall and the downfall of others" ie.PBKs ]

Where does the above Murli mention that Bharat means the soul of Krishna (Dada Lekhraj)? Rise and downfall happens when a soul is in its own body and not in another person's body. Murlis say that a soul (which has left its body) can suffer punishments by entering in another person's body, but nowhere has it been mentioned that a soul can make efforts by entering in another person's body.

Baba also keeps giving the examples of the souls of religious fathers in the Sakar Murlis (published by BKs that you believe to be true) that the soul of the religious Father that enters in another person to establish a religion does not suffer the pains that are inflicted upon him. It is the soul who owns the body that suffers. He often gives the example of Christ and Jesus in this regard.

On the basis of the above how can the soul of Krishna cause its own downfall and others' downfall by entering in another person's body?

[shivsena]

On the basis of the above how can the soul of Krishna cause its own downfall and others' downfall by entering in another person's body?

Dear arjun Bhai.

If you feel that the body of Virendra Dev Dixit is still driven by and belongs to Ram's soul, then please give your views about how Bharat(Ram) is responsible for his own downfall and downfall of PBKs; (since PBKs believe that Ram attained nirakari stage in 1976)

shivsena.

[shivsena]

Dear arjun Bhai.

Murli 16-8-2000 says " Jo bhi manushya-matra(BKs and PBKs) hain sabka iss samay kaudi-jaisa-janam hai. Bharat ab kaudi-jaisa kangaal hai, yeh bharatwasis thode hi jaante hain."
[meaning: All the human beings(BKs and PBKs) birth today are worth not a penny. Bharat(Krishna) is also worth not a penny(100% insolvent), this is not known to bharatwasis(PBKs)."]

The above Murli point clearly depicts the state of the bk and pbk family in 2000, who are worth not a penny. Bharatwasis(PBKs) also are not aware of the fact that even Bharat(Krishna alias Baba Dixit) is worth not a penny. And only when Ramshivbaba enters Bharat(Krishna) in near future that Bharat and bharatwasis will become worth a pound [ Murli : "Bap hi aakar worth not a penny se, worth a pound banate hain" meaning: "Father comes and makes Bharat 100% solvent from 100% insolvent." ]

shivsena.

[shivsena]

To all pbk brothers.

Murli 8-6-05 says "Sara khel do baaton par bana hua hai. Bharat ki haar aur Bharat ki jeet".[meaning: "The whole play is based on two things. Defeat of Bharat and victory of Bharat"]

The above Murli point contains the summary of Godly knowledge and if this query is answered correctly then the whole mystery of who is ''Bharat'' can be solved. But uptill now no cd or cassette offers any explanation to this Murli point nor this query has been asked to Baba Dixit by any pbk. It would be worthwhile to note different pbk views about how Bharat gets defeated and how Bharat becomes victorious.

shivsena.

[nivi]

I think Bharat, and bharatwasis have a few different meaning depending on the context it's used under, so the meaning also changes accordingly. "Behad ka Baap behad ke bachhoo se bathey karta hai.., "

Baba's part is to become Vishwapita - Father/master of the whole world...So, certainly the children will also be of variety -including, but not limited to indians/ Hindus/whites/ black/women/jews/gays etc. etc.. who are all part of this world.
He has come to unite us all and establish "Vashudev Kutumbh" - the world will become one family, and that would be the start of our Golden Age.

But, lets look at history and see what have we been doing so far since the begining of Copper Age... All we have done is divided humanity into different sects/ religion/ cast/ sub-caste/ language/kingdom and tore this world into pieces.. Present day India is a great example where there is no unity right now..We waged war, blood-shed and got nowhere..
Since everything starts with a "thought" before coming into action, it is our "thought" that needs to be observed, examined, understood, and controlled.." yeh saab sankalpoo kaa khel hai.."This shooting is going on right now in the bk/pbk world..

[shivsena]

Dear sister nivi.

In the first paragraph you talk about ''behad ki baatein" and in the last paragraph you talk about the ''hadh ki baatein''(worldly matters).

Then you talk about Baba has come to establish ''vasudev kutumb'' and again in the last line you say that the same shooting of division is going on in BKs and PBKs at present. I just fail to understand what you are trying to say.

shivsena.

[nivi]

Dear Divine brother,

My point simply was that everything that's happening in the broad drama (outside world) is merely a reflection of what's been going on inside us during the shooting period.. Bharat, and Bharatwasis are the seeds who have laid the foundation..The best of best and the worst of worst is all right here..
It is said in the Murli's that "Brahma ke sankalpo se shristi racchi".. and likewise all of us are creating our own little world with our "thoughts" at this time..