arjun wrote:When Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit is specifically asked about Shiva entering into him, he denies it altogether because nobody can or should claim that God is entering into him/her.
On one hand that is good, it shows his integrity against all the allegations cast his way; on the other hand, it throws up another controversy we have touched on elsewhere regarding PBKs remembering Shiva in Virendra Dev Dixit. Why would they do so if he was not there? There is contradiction. So, should I extrapolate then that the experience of Shiva entering into one is so subtle as to be negligible where in a possession the effects are distinctly noticeable?
It is clearly stated in the Sakar Murli that Shiva in some way enters ... although I would prefer to use the words "overshadows" because we do not know if he actually enters ... the children. It is stated he does so to help speaking the Murli and so on. Again, he says that is so subtle that some children do not recognize it and think the increase in power/clarity was them.
As we have discussed, some of us have experienced the feeling of being moved or guided whilst giving dhristi quite tangibly ... I am sure that none would claim to have been entered either. But perhaps "overshadowed". The questions again then would be, "by whom?" and are there more than one soul entering and overshadowing junior BKs?
• Is there a word for "overshadowing" in Hindi/PBK-speak?
In English, it is used for when a higher spirit or master envelopes or enters into some sublte body of a human being to have an effect, often in healing or consciousness raising etc but that the human does not leave their body as with trance medium Gulzar. It is different and more subtle than channelling where the "entity" can see, speak and act and have control of the body.
I guess in this thread we are discussing just how Shiva has his effect again. Whether it is by actually taking control and doing or just by being and raising the consciousness of the recipient who then thinks, speaks and acts from within that new consciousness ... and learns how to sustain it by themself. Again, I am not an expert, I have just had enough experience on which to ask questions. But I feel these questions are important for individuals like myself that have been stuck in the kindergarten of Gyan and fed baby food too long.