Ideological interpretation of the Yagya History - REVs .

[fluffy bunny]

Yes, I know it is a vain hope that reply to us like a normal human being but real life experiences genuinely interest me.

One thing I do not understand with many of the BKs that I "meet" online, is how un-human or even pernicious and nasty they can be. I have stepped out of their race to become a Golden Aged deity/emperor and, according to the theory, are now the lowest of the low etc, but there's no way on earth I would act as some of them do.

How they can separate how they act and behave with their self image of being a divine angel defies me.

I think the PBKs have a better understanding/acceptance of that ... that the devilish children etc refer to individuals within the BK world rather than outside of it etc ... I mean, this goading, snubbing and insulting "golden heart" is doing is 10,000 miles away from anything remotely divine.

It fits in with the basic problem the BKs have ... that they believe they can make an Age of Truth out of lies, a heaven out of acting devilishly etc etc etc.

They - let's say some of them - are literally spiritually inverted ... and yet they look at the world and think they are the right way up and it is upside down.

[Golden Heart]

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,

1. भगवानुवाच । यह तो बाप ने समझाया है कि मनुष्य को वा देवताओं को भगवान नहीं कहा जाता क्योंकि इनका साकारी रूप है । बाकी परमपिता परमात्मा का न आकारी, न साकारी रूप है इसलिए उनको शिव परमात्माए नम: कहा जाता है । ज्ञान का सागर वह एक ही है । कोई मनुष्य में ज्ञान हो नहीं सकता । किसका ज्ञान? रचता और रचना के आदि-मध्य- अन्त का ज्ञान अथवा आत्मा और परमात्मा का यह ज्ञान कोई में नहीं है ।
God speaks. The Father (S S S) has explained that neither human beings nor deities can be called God, because they have corporeal forms. The Supreme Father Supreme Soul, neither has a subtle form nor a corporeal form. This is why it is said: Salutations to the Supreme Soul, Shiva. He ALONE is the Ocean of Knowledge. No human being can have this Knowledge. Which knowledge? The Knowledge of the Creator; and the beginning, the middle and the end of creation. No one has the Knowledge of souls or the Supreme Soul.
(Supreme Father Supreme Soul refers ONLY to ONE S S S and NONE OTHER!!! Ravan craftily hijacks and bifurcates Supreme Father from Supreme Soul, to deceive his gullible followers into delusively believing that Ravan’s selected Chariot – ‘mukrar-rath’ – V D D, is either Supreme Father, Supreme Soul, or even both, in various TWISTED CONTEXTS) !!!

2. सभी ब्राइड्स याद करती हैं एक ब्राइडग्रूम को । सभी आशिक आत्मायें परमपिता परमात्मा माशूक को याद करती हैं ।
All the 'Brides' remember the ONE 'BrideGroom'. All the lovers, the souls, remember the Supreme Father Supreme Soul, the ONE Beloved.
(Supreme Father Supreme Soul refers ONLY to ONE S S S and NONE OTHER!!! Ravan craftily hijacks and bifurcates Supreme Father from Supreme Soul to deceive his gullible followers into delusively believing that Ravan’s selected Chariot – ‘mukrar-rath’ – V D D, is either Supreme Father, Supreme Soul, or even both; in various TWISTED CONTEXTS of Ravan’s INVERTED DICTATES) !!!

3. सभी सीताये हैं, राम एक परमपिता परमात्मा है । राम अक्षर क्यों कहते हैं? रावणराज्य है ना । तो उसकी भेंट में रामराज्य कहा जाता है । राम है बाप, जिसको ईश्वर भी कहते हैं, भगवान भी कहते हैं । असली नाम उनका है शिव ।
All are Sitas, and the one Supreme Father Supreme Soul, is Rama (in this particular context). Why is the term “Rama” used? This is now the kingdom of Ravan. In comparison with this, it is said that the other is the Kingdom of Rama. Rama (S S S) is the Father, who is called Ishwar (God) and also Bhagawan (God). His ORIGINAL name is Shiva.
(S S S is also referred to as ‘Rama’. In this context, S S S is the TRUE RAMA, in contrast to Ravan, who masquerades as 'FALSE Rama' through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of V D D, in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya, in Confluence Age, after 1969! When the devotees in the outer - FALSE, UNLIMITED - World of C A and I A, use the term Ram-Ram in their invocations, they consider the corporeal last Rama of S A – representing the then COLLECTIVE merged concepts of the periods of G A and S A, in the ‘collective consciousness’ - to be personified God, to whom they can readily relate to, due to their inherent body-consciousness; and through whom they delusively believe Incorporeal TRUE Rama – S S S – can grant them salvation, to whom they CANNOT readily relate to, since they are not soul-conscious. The ‘shooting’ of these aspects takes place in the latter part of Confluence Age, after 1969, through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan - V D D - and his gullible followers) !

4. पतित हैं तब तो बुलाते हैं । पतित किसने बनाया है? रावण की आसुरी मत ने । सिवाए मेरे तुम बच्चों को रावण राज्य से, दुःख से कोई भी लिबरेट कर नहीं सकते । सभी काम चिता पर बैठ भस्म हो पड़े हैं । मुझे आकर ज्ञान चिता पर बिठाना पड़ता है । ज्ञान जल डालना पड़ता है । सबकी सद्गति करनी पड़े । जो अच्छी रीति पढ़ाई पढ़ते हैं उनकी ही सद्गति होती है ।
You call out because you are impure. Who made you impure? The devilish instructions of Ravan (through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of V D D, the last Rama of S A, in the ‘shooting’ period of Confluence Age, after 1969). No one, except Me, can liberate you Children from sorrow and the kingdom of Ravan. Everyone has been burnt by sitting on the pyre of lust (here ‘LUST’ has the subtlest meaning of the CORRUPTED & ADULTERATED INVERTED knowledge, propagated by Ravan through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of V D D, in the ‘shooting’ period of Confluence Age, after 1969) . I have to come to make you sit on the pyre of TRUE Knowledge. I have to pour the water of TRUE Knowledge. All of you have to be granted salvation. Those who study well are the ones who experience salvation.

5. तुम बच्चे जानते हो - मम्मा-बाबा ही यह लक्ष्मी-नारायण बनते हैं । यहाँ तो 5 तत्व पवित्र हैं नहीं । यह शरीर सब पतित हैं । सतयुग में शरीर भी पवित्र होते हैं । कृष्ण को मोस्ट ब्यूटीफुल कहते हैं । नैचुरल ब्यूटी होती है ।
You Children (principal rulers of G A and S A) understand that Mama (Om Radhe) and Baba (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) are the ones who become Lakshmi and Narayan. The five elements here are not pure. All of these bodies are impure. Bodies in the Golden Age are pure. Krishna (the soul of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani in his first birth in G A) is known as the MOST BEAUTIFUL ONE; he has natural beauty.
(BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, in his first birth in G A, as Shri Krishna, represents the MOST BEAUTIFUL aspects of the personality of GOD, in a corporeal vehicle, in the Human Realm !!!)

6. कृष्ण को भी योगेश्वर कहते हैं । इस समय कृष्ण की आत्मा बाप के साथ योग लगा रही है । कृष्ण की आत्मा इस समय योगेश्वर है, सतयुग में योगेश्वर नहीं कहेंगे । वहाँ तो प्रिन्स बनती है । तो तुम्हारी पिछाड़ी में ऐसी अवस्था रहनी चाहिए जो सिवाए बाप के और कोई शरीर की याद न रहे । शरीर से और पुरानी दुनिया से ममत्व मिट जाए ।
Krishna is also called Yogeshwar (Lord of Yoga). At THIS TIME, Krishna’s soul has Yoga with the Father (S S S). Krishna’s soul is Yogeshwar AT THIS TIME (prior 1969). He wouldn’t be called Yogeshwar in the Golden Age. There, he is called a prince. BY THE END, your stage should have become such that you only have remembrance of one Father ALONE, and NO ONE’S BODY. All of your attachment to bodies and the old world should end.
(In stark contrast, Ravan advocates that the gullible followers should remember Ravan, masquerading as personified ShivBaba, being the Godly form of Maya, in the corporeal vehicle of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan - V D D) !!!

7. तो बाप समझाते हैं याद की यात्रा बड़ी पक्की चाहिए । ज्ञान तो बड़ा सहज है । देही- अभिमानी बनने में ही मेहनत है । बाप कहते हैं किसकी भी देह याद न आये, यह है भूतों की याद, भूत पूजा । मैं तो अशरीरी हूँ, तुमको याद करना है मुझे । इन आँखों से देखते हुए बुद्धि से बाप को याद करो । बाप के डायरेक्शन पर चलो तो धर्मराज की सजाओं से छूट जायेंगे । पावन बनेंगे तो सजायें खत्म हो जायेंगी,बड़ी भारी मंजिल है ।
The Father says that your pilgrimage of remembrance has to be very firm. Knowledge is very easy, but it does take effort to become soul-conscious. The Father says: YOU MUSTN’T REMEMBER ANYONE’S BODY. That remembrance is of an evil spirit; it is worship of an evil spirit. I am bodiless; you have to remember Me. Even whilst seeing with your (physical) eyes, keep remembering the Father with your intellect (third eye). Follow the Father’s directions and become liberated from the punishment of Dharamraj. If you become pure, the punishment will end. The destination is very high.
(The poor, ignorant, gullible followers of Ravan, who blindly follow the dictates of Ravan, DO NOT realize – REAL-EYES – that they are, IN FACT, worshipping an evil spirit, when they remember their so-called personified ShivBaba - through the corporeal vehicle of V D D - since they DO NOT have the REAL EYE or THIRD EYE of soul-consciousness; and they delusively think that they are remembering REAL ShivBaba – S S S !!! This represents the ‘shooting’ of the blind worship of Ravan Sampraday (progeny) in Ravan Rajya of C A and I A, using the ‘paraphernalia’ of Ravan, delusively believing they are ‘worshipping’ God) !!!

8. पिछाड़ी में तुम्हारे बुद्धि का योग रहना चाहिए बाप और घर से ।
At the end, your intellect’s Yoga should only remain with the Father and the Home (Soul World).

9. मनुष्य को याद करना माना 5 भूतों को, प्रकृति को याद करना । बाप कहते हैं प्रकृति को भूल मुझे याद करो । मेहनत है ना और फिर दैवीगुण भी चाहिए ।
To remember a human being means to remember the five ghosts, elements of matter. The Father says: Forget the five elements and remember Me! This does take effort. You also need divine virtues.

10. प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा का बच्चा न बने तो वर्सा कैसे लेंगे । यह प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा और मम्मा, वह फिर लक्ष्मी-नारायण बनते हैं ।
If you do not become Children of Prajapita Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani), how would you claim the inheritance (of TRUE RamRajya in G A and S A) ? This Mama (Om Radhe) and Prajapita Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) later become Lakshmi and Narayan.
(Since the BLIND followers of Ravan cannot RECOGNIZE BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani as the REAL Prajapita Brahma, they CANNOT receive any REAL sustenance from S S S through this soul, either in ‘Sakar’ or ‘akar’ and hence they DO NOT receive the inheritance of G A and S A. Since they are made to believe that the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan – V D D – is Prajapita Brahma - FOR THEM - they then receive the sustenance of the REVERSED, CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED, INVERTED knowledge from Ravan in the latter part of Confluence Age, to enable them to receive the inheritance of Ravan Rajya, in the ‘Paradise’ of Ravan in C A) !
EXTREMELY INTRICATE, ENCHANTING, BEWITCHING, BEWILDERING and ENTERTAINING DRAMA INDEED ! ! !

THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

With Eternal, Infinite, Imperishable Divine LOVE . . . In Loveful Remembrance of Supreme Soul Shiv,
Golden Heart

[arjun]

(Supreme Father Supreme Soul refers ONLY to ONE S S S and NONE OTHER!!! Ravan craftily hijacks and bifurcates Supreme Father from Supreme Soul, to deceive his gullible followers into delusively believing that Ravan’s selected Chariot – ‘mukrar-rath’ – V D D, is either Supreme Father, Supreme Soul, or even both, in various TWISTED CONTEXTS) !!!

A big lie. Baba Virendra Dev Dixit has never said that he is either supreme Father or Supreme Soul. The Supreme Father refers only to the Father Shiv whereas the Supreme Soul refers to the number one soul among the human souls, i.e. Prajapita (not Lekhraj Kirpalani).

(Supreme Father Supreme Soul refers ONLY to ONE S S S and NONE OTHER!!! Ravan craftily hijacks and bifurcates Supreme Father from Supreme Soul to deceive his gullible followers into delusively believing that Ravan’s selected Chariot – ‘mukrar-rath’ – V D D, is either Supreme Father, Supreme Soul, or even both; in various TWISTED CONTEXTS of Ravan’s INVERTED DICTATES) !!!

Reply same as above.

3. सभी सीताये हैं, राम एक परमपिता परमात्मा है । राम अक्षर क्यों कहते हैं? रावणराज्य है ना । तो उसकी भेंट में रामराज्य कहा जाता है । राम है बाप, जिसको ईश्वर भी कहते हैं, भगवान भी कहते हैं । असली नाम उनका है शिव ।
All are Sitas, and the one Supreme Father Supreme Soul, is Rama (in this particular context). Why is the term “Rama” used? This is now the kingdom of Ravan. In comparison with this, it is said that the other is the Kingdom of Rama. Rama (S S S) is the Father, who is called Ishwar (God) and also Bhagawan (God). His ORIGINAL name is Shiva.
(S S S is also referred to as ‘Rama’. In this context, S S S is the TRUE RAMA, in contrast to Ravan, who masquerades as – FALSE - Rama through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of V D D, in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya, in Confluence Age, after 1969! When the devotees in the outer - FALSE, UNLIMITED - World of C A and I A, use the term Ram-Ram in their invocations, they consider the corporeal last Rama of S A – representing the then COLLECTIVE merged concepts of the periods of G A and S A, in the ‘collective consciousness’ - to be personified God, to whom they can readily relate to, due to their inherent body-consciousness; and through whom they delusively believe Incorporeal – TRUE - Rama – S S S – can grant them salvation, to whom they CANNOT readily relate to, since they are not soul-conscious. The ‘shooting’ of these aspects takes place in the latter part of Confluence Age, after 1969, through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan - V D D - and his gullible followers) !

According to the Advance knowledge there is an incorporeal Ram as well as a corporeal Ram. The body conscious people of the world recognize the incorporeal Ram only through the corporeal Ram in the end. That is why there is a saying 'Ram naam satya hai' (The name of Ram is truth) which is chanted while taking a dead body to the crematorium for cremation. Moreover, if Ram refers only to the incorporeal Ram then why is Golden Age and Silver Age called Ramrajya when Shiv does not exist in those Ages? It is the corporeal Ram's soul which rules the Golden Age in the form of Narayan and as first Sita in the Silver Age.

5. तुम बच्चे जानते हो - मम्मा-बाबा ही यह लक्ष्मी-नारायण बनते हैं । यहाँ तो 5 तत्व पवित्र हैं नहीं । यह शरीर सब पतित हैं । सतयुग में शरीर भी पवित्र होते हैं । कृष्ण को मोस्ट ब्यूटीफुल कहते हैं । नैचुरल ब्यूटी होती है ।
You Children (principal rulers of G A and S A) understand that Mama (Om Radhe) and Baba (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) are the ones who become Lakshmi and Narayan. The five elements here are not pure. All of these bodies are impure. Bodies in the Golden Age are pure. Krishna (the soul of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani in his first birth in G A) is known as the MOST BEAUTIFUL ONE; he has natural beauty.
(BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, in his first birth in G A, as Shri Krishna, represents the MOST BEAUTIFUL aspects of the personality of GOD, in a corporeal vehicle, in the Human Realm !!!)

All the praises in the scriptures pertain to the Confluence Age Krishna and not the Golden Age Krishna.

7. तो बाप समझाते हैं याद की यात्रा बड़ी पक्की चाहिए । ज्ञान तो बड़ा सहज है । देही- अभिमानी बनने में ही मेहनत है । बाप कहते हैं किसकी भी देह याद न आये, यह है भूतों की याद, भूत पूजा । मैं तो अशरीरी हूँ, तुमको याद करना है मुझे । इन आँखों से देखते हुए बुद्धि से बाप को याद करो । बाप के डायरेक्शन पर चलो तो धर्मराज की सजाओं से छूट जायेंगे । पावन बनेंगे तो सजायें खत्म हो जायेंगी,बड़ी भारी मंजिल है ।
The Father says that your pilgrimage of remembrance has to be very firm. Knowledge is very easy, but it does take effort to become soul-conscious. The Father says: YOU MUSTN’T REMEMBER ANYONE’S BODY. That remembrance is of an evil spirit; it is worship of an evil spirit. I am bodiless; you have to remember Me. Even whilst seeing with your (physical) eyes, keep remembering the Father with your intellect (third eye). Follow the Father’s directions and become liberated from the punishment of Dharamraj. If you become pure, the punishment will end. The destination is very high.
(The poor, ignorant, gullible followers of Ravan, who blindly follow the dictates of Ravan, DO NOT realize – REAL-EYES – that they are, IN FACT, worshipping an evil spirit, when they remember their so-called personified ShivBaba - through the corporeal vehicle of V D D - since they DO NOT have the REAL EYE or THIRD EYE of soul-consciousness; and they delusively think that they are remembering REAL ShivBaba – S S S !!! This represents the ‘shooting’ of the blind worship of Ravan Sampraday (progeny) in Ravan Rajya of Copper Age and I A, using the ‘paraphernalia’ of Ravan, delusively believing they are ‘worshipping’ God) !!!

It is an irony that Baba Virendra Dev Dixit whose not even a single picture has been published in any literature or website or displayed at any branch of AIVV. But the PBKs are being accused of worshipping him by dear golden heart. Whereas, ever since the demise of Brahma Baba hundreds and thousands of BKs (senior and junior) are being worshipped as gurus and deities in the BKWSU. Still they are under the delusion that they remember only one ShivBaba. See below for proof:

8. पिछाड़ी में तुम्हारे बुद्धि का योग रहना चाहिए बाप और घर से ।
At the end, your intellect’s Yoga should only remain with the Father and the Home (Soul World).

9. मनुष्य को याद करना माना 5 भूतों को, प्रकृति को याद करना । बाप कहते हैं प्रकृति को भूल मुझे याद करो । मेहनत है ना और फिर दैवीगुण भी चाहिए ।
To remember a human being means to remember the five ghosts, elements of matter. The Father says: Forget the five elements and remember Me! This does take effort. You also need divine virtues.

See below and you will be convinced whether BKs are remembering only the Father or remembering the five ghosts, the elements of matter:

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They are not only remembering the human body made up of the five elements but also worshipping it with a garland of notes. And our dear golden heart claims that they remember none but ShivBaba. Really?????

[fluffy bunny]

Garland of notes at BK center in Nepal.jpg

They are not only remembering the human body made up of the five elements but also worshipping it with a garland of notes. And our dear golden heart claims that they remember none but ShivBaba. Really?????

Ah, an honest BK at last ... soon they will campaigning to have Lekhraj Kirpalani face printed on a 100 Rupee note and then they will be able to worship both their gods at once. And asking Indians just to give them all to them!

At least just dripping their gurus with bank notes stops them wasting it on flowers or fine materials. They can just spend it directly on buying new properties ... also forbidden in the Murlis!

I think you may have to concede that point, golden heart. For all his sins, you have to admit Virendra Dev Dixit actually follows the knowledge more than the BKWSU leaders.

That is the great paradox. And it seems to drive the BKWSU leaders mad!

[sita]

I don't agree with the interpretation that the world has become the kingdom of Ravan by listening to the directions of Virendra Dev Dixit, because the whole world is the kingdom of Ravan, but only a handfull of people listen to Virendra Dev Dixit. Also it is kingdom of Ravan for a long time and this knowledge is new.

[Roy]

Fluffy and Sita Bhai both make good points... Virendra Dev Dixit ji is the head of a small spiritual movement(AIVV) that follows Shrimat much more closely than the large rich institution that is called the BKIVV... where it's wealth is expressed through lots of large lovely buildings all over the world, including Mt Abu... is not this the pomp of Maya itself and sending out the opposite message, to that of the world is coming to and end in the near future?

“The Father says – your religion gives you a lot of happiness. The Father alone comes (in the practical form of Shankar) and makes you (true brahmin children) master of heaven. The time for happiness of others(i.e. BK Dadis etc) has come just now, when death is staring at them. These aeroplanes, electricity, etc. did not exist earlier. For them(BK Dadis), it is like heaven now. They build so many big palaces. They think that they are very happy now. They reach London so quickly... they think that this is heaven. Well, someone should explain to them that Satyug (the Golden Age) is said to be heaven; Kaliyug (the Iron Age) will not be called heaven. If you leave your body(consciousness) in hell, you will certainly take (spiritual) rebirth in heaven. Earlier, you (true Brahmin) did not understand these issue (either)... (but) now you understand.” [Mu 06.02.09]

“The Father gives you directions. You note them. As regards the books, scriptures, etc. all of them will perish. No old thing will survive. People think that still 40,000 years are left for the Iron Age to end (because of the inaccurate behaviour of the BK Dadis). This is why they(the BK Dadis) keep building big houses etc (because they don't truly believe that destruction is just ahead - even if this is what they say). They keep spending money. Will the ocean spare (it)? It will swallow in one wave itself. Neither did this Bombay exist (in the past), nor will it exist (in future). What all has emerged now within 100 years. Earlier the Viceroy also used to come in a Chariot driven by four horses. Now so many changes have taken place within a short span of time. Heaven is very small... your palaces will be located on the banks of the rivers.” [Mu 07.01.09]

[Golden Heart]

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,

1. तुम हो प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा के बच्चे, ब्राह्मण और ब्राह्मणियॉ । वह ब्राह्मण तो ब्रह्मा बाप को जानते ही नहीं हैं । तुम बच्चे जानते हो - बाप जब आते हैं तो ब्रह्मा-विष्णु-शंकर भी जरूर चाहिए । कहते ही हैं त्रिमूर्ति शिव भगवानुवाच । अब तीनों द्वारा तो नहीं बोलेंगे ना । यह बातें अच्छी रीति बुद्धि में धारण करनी है ।
You (principal rulers of G A and S A) are the Children of (True, Real) Prajapita Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani), Brahmins, the Brahma Kumars and Kumaris (mouth-born progeny through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of S S S – BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). Those brahmins (most PBKs, in particular – in the latter part of Confluence Age, after 1969, in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya in the Yagya) DON’T KNOW (the accurate function of) Father Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) AT ALL!!! You Children know that when the Father (S S S) comes, Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar are then definitely needed. It is said: Trimurti God Shiva speaks. Now, He would not speak through all three, would He? (He establishes RamRajya of G A and S A ONLY through His ‘mukrar-rath’ BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani – the lotus mouth of Brahma). Make your intellect imbibe these aspects very well.
(Real ShivBaba gives the inheritance of Real RamRajya to the principal rulers of G A and S A for 20 births of the outer broad Drama – REAL PARADISE - DIRECTLY, through the ‘lotus’ mouth of Real Prajapita Brahma – BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani!
FALSE or APPARENT ShivBaba or Ravan gives the inheritance of FALSE RamRajya or Ravan Rajya to the principal rulers of C A, also for 20 births of the outer broad Drama – FALSE PARADISE - INDIRECTLY, through the mouth of FALSE Prajapita Brahma alias FALSE Shankar – V D D, the Defamer of God!!!) (Please see earlier post, dated 30 Jan 2015, copied far below.)

2. बच्चे जानते हैं बाप आधाकल्प के लिए आकर वर्सा देते हैं और रावण फिर श्राप देते हैं । यह भी दुनिया नहीं जानती कि हम सभी श्रापित हैं । रावण का श्राप लगा हुआ है इसलिए सभी दु:खी हैं ।
You Children know that the Father (S S S) comes and gives You your inheritance (in the earlier part of Confluence Age, prior 1969, through His ‘mukrar-rath’ – BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) which lasts for half a cycle (during G A and S A of the outer broad Drama) and that Ravan then curses you (in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya, in the latter part of Confluence Age, after 1969, by giving the CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED and INVERTED Knowledge). The world (most PBKs, in particular) doesn’t even know that they are all cursed; they were cursed by Ravan. That is why everyone is unhappy (in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age, after 1969).

3. अभी तुम समझते हो कि बाबा हमको स्वच्छ बुद्धि बनाते हैं । रावण मलेच्छ बुद्धि बनाते हैं । मुख्य बात तो यह है । सतयुग में हैं पवित्र, यहाँ हैं अपवित्र । यह भी किसको पता नहीं है कि रामराज्य कब से कब तक? रावण राज्य कब से कब तक होता है? समझते हैं यहाँ ही राम राज्य भी है, रावण राज्य भी है । अनेक मत-मतान्तर हैं ना । जितने हैं मनुष्य, उतनी हैं मतें । अभी यहाँ तुम बच्चों को एक अद्वेत मत मिलती है जो बाप ही देते हैं । तुम अभी ब्रह्मा द्वारा देवता बन रहे हो ।
You now understand that Baba is making our intellects clean. Ravan makes your (most PBKs, in particular) intellects degraded. THIS IS THE MAIN FACTOR! In the Golden Age, you are pure. Here, you are impure. No one knows from when, until when it was the Kingdom of Rama, or what the duration of the kingdom of Ravan is (in the ‘shooting’ period of RamRajya and Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age). They think that both the kingdom of Rama and the kingdom of Ravan exist here. There are various opinions. THERE ARE AS MANY OPINIONS AS THERE ARE HUMAN BEINGS!!! (because after 1969, when actual ‘shooting’ of Ravan Rajya commences in the Yagya, everyone becomes CONFUSED by the CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED and INVERTED knowledge of Ravan, and begins to interpret the Pure Knowledge of S S S, based MORE on the DEFECTED pictures, memorials and scriptures of Ravan Rajya, with an IMPURE INTELLECT and INACCURATE Remembrance; rather than making a concerted effort to become soul-conscious to be able to comprehend the Pure Knowledge of S S S, with a PURE INTELLECT with ACCURATE Remembrance)! Here, you Children now RECEIVE UNIFIED, UNDIVIDED DIRECTIONS, which only the Father (S S S) gives. You (principal rulers of G A and S A) are NOW (prior 1969) becoming deities through Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani).

4. तुम बच्चे हो योगबल वाले । वह हैं बाहुबल वाले । तुम भी हो युद्ध के मैदान पर, परन्तु तुम हो डबल अहिंसक । वह हैं हिंसक । हिंसा काम कटारी को कहा जाता है । सन्यासी भी समझते हैं यह हिंसा हैं इसलिए पवित्र बनते हैं । परन्तु तुम्हारे सिवाए बाप के साथ प्रीत कोई की है नहीं । आशिक माशूक की प्रीत होती है ना ।
You Children are those with the power of Yoga. They (most PBKs, in particular) are the ones with physical power (of the Swords and Arrows of CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED and INVERTED Knowledge). You are also on a battlefield but you are doubly non-violent (only Power of Remembrance of the ONE TRUE BELOVED Father – S S S). They (most PBKs, in particular) are violent. The sword of lust (the persistent and incessant use of the SWORD of CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED and INVERTED Knowledge) is called violence. Sanyasis also understand that to be violence. That is why they become pure. No one but You have (TRUE) Love for the (TRUE) Father (S S S ALONE). There is (TRUE) LOVE between a (TRUE) LOVER and (TRUE) beloved.

5. तुम अभी जानते हो स्वर्ग में हीरे जवाहरों के कितने महल थे । भक्ति मार्ग में भी कितना अनगिनत धन था, जो सोमनाथ का मन्दिर बनाया है ।
You now know there were so many palaces of diamonds and jewels in Heaven. On the path of devotion, there was such countless wealth that they created the Somnath Temple (which was looted by MG in the outer broad Drama, the ‘shooting’ of which was carried out by V D D immediately after 1969, when he unlawfully ‘looted’ the wealth of Knowledge – SMs – from the P Centre in A in G in India, where Sr V was in charge).

हमारे महल सोने के होंगे । दरवाजों पर भी जड़ित लगी हुई होगी । जैनियों के मन्दिर भी ऐसे बने हुए होते हैं । अब हीरे आदि तो नहीं है ना, जो पहले थे ।
Our palaces (in G A) will be of gold. Even the doors will be studded with precious stones. The Jain temples were also built in that way. There are no longer the diamonds that there were previously.

हीरे सोने आदि की खानियां जो अभी खाली हो गई है वह फिर वहाँ भरतू हो जायेंगी । यह सब बातें अभी तुम्हारी बुद्धि में है ना | बाप ने वर्ल्ड की हिस्ट्री-जॉग्राफी समझाई है ।
The mines of diamonds and gold that are now depleted will then become full there (in G A). All of these things are now in your intellects. The Father has explained the history and geography of the world.
(the Defamer of God and his gullible followers consider all above points to be ‘symbolic’, since they confuse the time periods of REAL PARADISE of G A and S A, with their FALSE Paradise of C A, where the scenario changes COMPLETELY!)

The PBKs are delusively made to believe that there are TWO Supreme Souls – one being S S S and the other, according to the ‘Defamer of God’, being himself, thus CONFIRMING his HKhood !!! In the same vein, the ‘Defamer of God’ has also claimed that he is Supreme Father as well, in some of his discourses – which some of the PBKs have missed out, goofed up, forgotten or are dodging same! When they cannot keep track of what the ‘Defamer of God’ says in his discourses, how can one expect them to keep track of what God has been saying all along, LEAVE ALONE understanding what God is saying, in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE??? This is the duality which comes into play in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age, in accordance with which the outer UNLIMITED (in terms of population) worlds of C A and I A, erroneously believe Rama to be God – since the ‘Defamer of God’, the last Rama of S A is instrumental to establish Ravan Rajya - when DUALITY commences in DwaparYug (the age of duality). Just as the REAL Supreme Soul establishes Heaven through His ‘mukrar-rath’, BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, lasting for 20 births in G A and S A of the outer broad Drama; the APPARENT or FALSE Supreme Father Supreme Soul, the ‘Defamer of God’, is the CHIEF instrumental ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, for establishing Ravan’s heaven, also lasting for 20 births in C A ! Whatever S S S does, Ravan CHALLENGES and DUPLICATES, by REVERSING EVERYTHING! All the main 16,108 (considering themselves to be Suryavanshi and Chandravanshi) gullible followers of the ‘Defamer of God’ are the principal rulers of Ravan’s heaven, during 20 births in C A, which they ‘CONSIDER’ to be RamRajya; and all the TWISTED, CORRUPTED and ADULTERATED Versions emerging from the mouth of the ‘Defamer of God’ - or the 'spiritual anus' of the Bull - are EXCLUSIVELY meant for them, and NOT for the 16,108 principal rulers of the Heaven in G A and S A, created by S S S through His ‘mukrar-rath’, the lotus mouth of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani - or the mouth of the Cow (gaumukh). Since the principal ruler souls of C A receive their inheritance through the ‘Defamer of God’, they HAVE to BELIEVE him, according to their ‘governing’ sanskars, even if correct clarifications come to their notice in Confluence Age, which they cannot accept and will persistently REFUTE!

THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

With Eternal, Infinite, Imperishable Divine LOVE . . . In Loveful Remembrance of Supreme Soul Shiv,
Golden Heart

[fluffy bunny]

Too long, did not read. Too repetitive.

Let's try real communication, Golden Heart.

When did you join the BKs ... why did you leave? When did you join the PBKs ... why did you leave?

How involved are you now?

Unfortunately, it is now proven that the BKs are circulating "TWISTED, CORRUPTED and ADULTERATED Versions" of the Murli and their history, so that is like "the pot calling the kettle black".

[Golden Heart]

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,

V-6: Give not that which is 'holy' unto the 'dogs'; neither cast ye your 'pearls' before 'swine', lest they trample them under their 'feet', and then turn again and rend you ! ! !

THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

With Eternal, Infinite, Imperishable Divine LOVE . . . In Loveful Remembrance of Supreme Soul Shiv,
Golden Heart

[arjun]

1. तुम हो प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा के बच्चे, ब्राह्मण और ब्राह्मणियॉ । वह ब्राह्मण तो ब्रह्मा बाप को जानते ही नहीं हैं । तुम बच्चे जानते हो - बाप जब आते हैं तो ब्रह्मा-विष्णु-शंकर भी जरूर चाहिए । कहते ही हैं त्रिमूर्ति शिव भगवानुवाच । अब तीनों द्वारा तो नहीं बोलेंगे ना । यह बातें अच्छी रीति बुद्धि में धारण करनी है ।
You (principal rulers of G A and S A) are the Children of (True, Real) Prajapita Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani), Brahmins, the Brahma Kumars and Kumaris (mouth-born progeny through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of S S S – BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani). Those Brahmins (most PBKs, in particular – in the latter part of Confluence Age, after 1969, in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya in the Yagya) DON’T KNOW (the accurate function of) Father Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) AT ALL!!! You Children know that when the Father (S S S) comes, Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar are then definitely needed. It is said: Trimurti God Shiva speaks. Now, He would not speak through all three, would He? (He establishes RamRajya of G A and S A ONLY through His ‘mukrar-rath’ BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani – the lotus mouth of Brahma). Make your intellect imbibe these aspects very well.

Baba is telling that when the Father comes, Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar are then definitely needed. But our dear golden heart keeps on chanting the name of only one Brahma (Lekhraj Kirpalani) all the time. Even that Brahma does not exist today. The BKs do not know at all as to who are the real Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar. They are under the wrong impression that Late Lekhraj Kirpalani was/is all the three.

2. बच्चे जानते हैं बाप आधाकल्प के लिए आकर वर्सा देते हैं और रावण फिर श्राप देते हैं । यह भी दुनिया नहीं जानती कि हम सभी श्रापित हैं । रावण का श्राप लगा हुआ है इसलिए सभी दु:खी हैं ।
You Children know that the Father (S S S) comes and gives You your inheritance (in the earlier part of Confluence Age, prior 1969, through His ‘mukrar-rath’ – BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) which lasts for half a cycle (during G A and S A of the outer broad Drama) and that Ravan then curses you (in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya, in the latter part of Confluence Age, after 1969, by giving the CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED and INVERTED Knowledge). The world (most PBKs, in particular) doesn’t even know that they are all cursed; they were cursed by Ravan. That is why everyone is unhappy (in the ‘shooting’ period of Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age, after 1969).

Nothing new from golden heart.

3. अभी तुम समझते हो कि बाबा हमको स्वच्छ बुद्धि बनाते हैं । रावण मलेच्छ बुद्धि बनाते हैं । मुख्य बात तो यह है । सतयुग में हैं पवित्र, यहाँ हैं अपवित्र । यह भी किसको पता नहीं है कि रामराज्य कब से कब तक? रावण राज्य कब से कब तक होता है? समझते हैं यहाँ ही राम राज्य भी है, रावण राज्य भी है । अनेक मत-मतान्तर हैं ना । जितने हैं मनुष्य, उतनी हैं मतें । अभी यहाँ तुम बच्चों को एक अद्वेत मत मिलती है जो बाप ही देते हैं । तुम अभी ब्रह्मा द्वारा देवता बन रहे हो ।
You now understand that Baba is making our intellects clean. Ravan makes your (most PBKs, in particular) intellects degraded. THIS IS THE MAIN FACTOR! In the Golden Age, you are pure. Here, you are impure. No one knows from when, until when it was the Kingdom of Rama, or what the duration of the kingdom of Ravan is (in the ‘shooting’ period of RamRajya and Ravan Rajya in Confluence Age). They think that both the kingdom of Rama and the kingdom of Ravan exist here. There are various opinions. THERE ARE AS MANY OPINIONS AS THERE ARE HUMAN BEINGS!!! (because after 1969, when actual ‘shooting’ of Ravan Rajya commences in the Yagya, everyone becomes CONFUSED by the CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED and INVERTED knowledge of Ravan, and begins to interpret the Pure Knowledge of S S S, based MORE on the DEFECTED pictures, memorials and scriptures of Ravan Rajya, with an IMPURE INTELLECT and INACCURATE Remembrance; rather than making a concerted effort to become soul-conscious to be able to comprehend the Pure Knowledge of S S S, with a PURE INTELLECT with ACCURATE Remembrance)! Here, you Children now RECEIVE UNIFIED, UNDIVIDED DIRECTIONS, which only the Father (S S S) gives. You (principal rulers of G A and S A) are NOW (prior 1969) becoming deities through Brahma (BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani).

As far as PBKs are concerned we follow the directions of only one ShivBaba who is present in person now. But it is the BKs who are following the opinions of many in the form of different administrative heads, different heads of departments, directors of various retreat centers, zonal incharges, center incharges, etc.

4. तुम बच्चे हो योगबल वाले । वह हैं बाहुबल वाले । तुम भी हो युद्ध के मैदान पर, परन्तु तुम हो डबल अहिंसक । वह हैं हिंसक । हिंसा काम कटारी को कहा जाता है । सन्यासी भी समझते हैं यह हिंसा हैं इसलिए पवित्र बनते हैं । परन्तु तुम्हारे सिवाए बाप के साथ प्रीत कोई की है नहीं । आशिक माशूक की प्रीत होती है ना ।
You Children are those with the power of Yoga. They (most PBKs, in particular) are the ones with physical power (of the Swords and Arrows of CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED and INVERTED Knowledge). You are also on a battlefield but you are doubly non-violent (only Power of Remembrance of the ONE TRUE BELOVED Father – S S S). They (most PBKs, in particular) are violent. The sword of lust (the persistent and incessant use of the SWORD of CORRUPTED, ADULTERATED and INVERTED Knowledge) is called violence. Sanyasis also understand that to be violence. That is why they become pure. No one but You have (TRUE) Love for the (TRUE) Father (S S S ALONE). There is (TRUE) LOVE between a (TRUE) LOVER and (TRUE) beloved.

Our golden heart has termed the exchange of points of knowledge from Murlis and Avyakt Vanis as use of physical power, but has conveniently ignored the actual physical violence that some of the BKs perpetrate against the PBKs and has completely forgotten the filthy abuses that emerge from the golden heart himself. Perhaps he/she considers this physical and verbal torture of PBKs as the power of Yoga.

5. तुम अभी जानते हो स्वर्ग में हीरे जवाहरों के कितने महल थे । भक्ति मार्ग में भी कितना अनगिनत धन था, जो सोमनाथ का मन्दिर बनाया है ।
You now know there were so many palaces of diamonds and jewels in Heaven. On the path of devotion, there was such countless wealth that they created the Somnath Temple (which was looted by MG in the outer broad Drama, the ‘shooting’ of which was carried out by V D D immediately after 1969, when he unlawfully ‘looted’ the wealth of Knowledge – SMs – from the P Centre in A in G in India, where Sr V was in charge).

The stock of Murlis was given by Sister Vedanti to Baba Virendra Dev Dixit in the early 1970s when she could not solve his queries regarding the knowledge. But what about the physical wealth that is being looted by the BKWSU brass from the gullible BKs in the name of organizing megaprogrammes, worship of Seniors, construction of luxurious centers and retreat centers??????

[Golden Heart]

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,

Since the principal ruler souls of C A receive their inheritance through the ‘Defamer of God’, they HAVE to BELIEVE him, according to their ‘governing’ sanskars, even if correct clarifications come to their notice in Confluence Age, which they cannot accept and will persistently REFUTE !

ALL, PERFECTLY, AS PER DRAMA PLAN, OF COURSE - NOTHING NEW ! ! !

THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

With Eternal, Infinite, Imperishable Divine LOVE . . . In Loveful Remembrance of Supreme Soul Shiv,
Golden Heart

[arjun]

Yes, we cannot accept untruth and will continue to refute falsehood with the help of Godly versions.

[Golden Heart]

Sweetest, Beloved Golden Hearts,

जैसे बच्चे बाप की जयन्ती मनाने के लिए कोने-कोने से, दूर-दूर से आये हैं, बापदादा भी बच्चों का जन्म दिन मनाने आये हैं । सबसे दूर देश वाले कौन? बाप या आप? आप कहेंगे - हम बहुत दूर से आये हैं लेकिन बाप कहते हैं मैं आपसे भी दूरदेश से आया हूँ । लेकिन आपको समय लगता है, बाप को समय नहीं लगता है । आप सबको प्लैन या ट्रेन लेनी पड़ती है, बाप को सिर्फ रथ लेना पड़ता है ।
Just as the Children have come from far, far away, from all corners, to celebrate the Father’s (S S S) birthday, (Shiv ‘Jayanti’, ALSO called Shiv ‘Ratri’, since this ‘exclusive’ birth takes place during the ‘night’ of ‘extreme darkness’ of ‘body-consciousness’), so BapDada (S S S and BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) have also come from far, far away to celebrate the Children’s birthday. Who has come from farthest away? The Father (S S S) or You? You would say: We have come from very far away, but the Father (S S S) would say: I have come from even farther away than You. However, it takes You time to come here, whereas it doesn’t take the Father (S S S) any time. All of You have to catch a plane or train, whereas the Father (S S S) simply has to take a Chariot (the subtle Chariot of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, to speak through DG – being the Avyakt Meeting with souls, after 1969)!

(NO DOUBT, WHATSOEVER, that GOD MEETS HIS CHILDREN, in Avyakt also, THROUGH DG !)
(The Defamer of God and his gullible followers have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE as to what is actually going on, since they have TOTALLY DIVORCED themselves from meeting GOD even in Avyakt, due to their INVERTED INTELLECTS ! ! !)

It becomes ABSOLUTELY CLEAR from ALL the foregoing Godly VERSIONS high-lighted in the various posts thus far, WITHOUT AN IOTA OF DOUBT WHATSOEVER, that most PBKs, in particular, being under the ABSOLUTE SPELL of Maya and the VICIOUS GRIP of Ravan – through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of V D D, the Defamer of God - CANNOT ACCEPT the EVIDENT TRUTH and will continue to REFUTE TRUTH, delusively believing same to be falsehood, under the ACTIVE influence of the ‘Dogly’ versions - disseminated through the ‘Dogly University’, AIVV - which they DELUSIVELY believe to be Godly Versions originating from the Godly University !
WHAT A ‘MAJESTICALLY’ BEWITCHING DECEPTION WITHIN EWD ! ! !

THOSE WHO HAVE A CLEAR, PURE, DIVINE INTELLECT TO PERCEIVE, LET THEM PERCEIVE !!!

With Eternal, Infinite, Imperishable Divine LOVE . . . In Loveful Remembrance of Supreme Soul Shiv,
Golden Heart

[fluffy bunny]

Are you one of the Vishnu Party people?

[arjun]

BKWSU AV dated 24.02.1998 - Rev 15th & 16th Feb, 2015 wrote:
जैसे बच्चे बाप की जयन्ती मनाने के लिए कोने-कोने से, दूर-दूर से आये हैं, बापदादा भी बच्चों का जन्म दिन मनाने आये हैं । सबसे दूर देश वाले कौन? बाप या आप? आप कहेंगे - हम बहुत दूर से आये हैं लेकिन बाप कहते हैं मैं आपसे भी दूरदेश से आया हूँ । लेकिन आपको समय लगता है, बाप को समय नहीं लगता है । आप सबको प्लैन या ट्रेन लेनी पड़ती है, बाप को सिर्फ रथ लेना पड़ता है ।
Just as the Children have come from far, far away, from all corners, to celebrate the Father’s (S S S) birthday, (Shiv ‘Jayanti’, ALSO called Shiv ‘Ratri’, since this ‘exclusive’ birth takes place during the ‘night’ of ‘extreme darkness’ of ‘body-consciousness’), so BapDada (S S S and BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani) have also come from far, far away to celebrate the Children’s birthday. Who has come from farthest away? The Father (S S S) or You? You would say: We have come from very far away, but the Father (S S S) would say: I have come from even farther away than You. However, it takes You time to come here, whereas it doesn’t take the Father (S S S) any time. All of You have to catch a plane or train, whereas the Father (S S S) simply has to take a Chariot (the subtle Chariot of BB-Lekhraj Kirpalani, to speak through DG – being the Avyakt Meeting with souls, after 1969)!

"Parmatma ke liye hee gaayan hai – Hey patit-paavan, aatey bhi hain patit duniya aur patit shareeer may. Patit shareeer ka naam hai Prajapita Brahma. Ismay pravesh kar kahtey hain mai bahut janmon kay anth vaaley saadhaaran manushya tan may pravesh kartaa hoon. Sookshmavatanvaasi sampoorna Brahma may nahee aatey hain. Khud kahtey hain inkay bahut janmon ke anth ke janma may aata hoon. Bahut janma letey hee hain Raadhey-Krishna. Unkay bahut janmon kay anth ka janma saadhaaran hai. Aisey toh kahtey nahee hain ki mai paavan shareeer may pravesh kartaa hoon. Bhagwaanuwaach mai saadhaaran tan may aata hoon. Ab Bhagwaan jaroor aakarke is saadhaaran tan dwara aatmaon ko baith samjhaatey hain ki mai Parampita Parmatma hoon. Mai Krishna kee aatma nahee hoon, na Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar kee aatma hoon. Mai Parampita Parmatma hoon, jisko Shiv Parmaatmaay namah kahaa jaataa hai. Mai ismay aaya hoon. Mai sookshmavatan vasi Brahma may pravesh nahee kartaa hoon. Mujhey toh yahaan patiton ko paavan banana hai. Merey dwara hee vah sookshmavatan vasi Brahma paavan banaa hai, isliye unko sookshma may dikhaya hai.....Bhagwaan oonch tey oonch niraakaar ShivBaba hai. Varsa deney ke liye jaroor Brahma tan may aayega. Yah Prajapita Brahma hai, sookshmavatanvaasi Brahma ko Prajapita nahee kahengey. Vahaan thodey hee praja rachengey. Ham Brahmakumar kumariyaan saakaar may hain toh Prajapita Brahma bhi saakaar may hain. Yah raaz aakar samjho. Ham is Dada ko Bhagwaan nahee kahtey. ... Yahaan koi paavan hai nahee. Trimurti Shiv ke badley Trimurti Brahma kah diya hai. Parantu Trimurti Brahma ka koi arth nahee hai." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 24.11.07, pg 1&2)

• “It is famous only for the Supreme Soul: O purifier of the sinful ones. He even comes in a sinful world and a sinful body. The name of the sinful body is Prajapita Brahma. He enters in this one and says: I enter in an ordinary human body of the last one of many births. He does not come in the complete Brahma who is a Subtle Region dweller. He Himself says: I come in the last one of their many births. It is Radha and Krishna who take many births. The last one of their many births is ordinary. He does not say – I enter in a pure body. God said: I enter in an ordinary body. Well, God certainly comes and explains to the souls through this ordinary body: I am the Supreme Father Supreme Soul. I am not the soul of Krishna, nor am I the soul of Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar. I am the Supreme Father Supreme Soul, the one who is called ‘Shiv Parmaatmaay namah”. I have come in this one. I don’t enter in the Subtle Region dweller Brahma. I have to come and purify the sinful ones here. It is through me that the Subtle Region dweller Brahma has become pure. This is why he has been shown in a subtle form........The highest on high incorporeal ShivBaba is God. In order to give the inheritance He will certainly come in the body of Brahma. This is Prajapita Brahma; the Subtle Region dweller Brahma will not be called Prajapita. The subjects (praja) will not be created there? We Brahmakumar-kumaris are in corporeal form; so Prajapita Brahma is also in corporeal form. Come and understand this secret. We do not call this Dada God. ...... Nobody is pure here. Instead of Trimurti Shiv they have mentioned Trimurti Brahma. But there is no meaning of Trimurti Brahma.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 24.11.07, pg 1&2 published by BKs)

- BKs say that Shiv enters in the Subtle Region dweller Brahma and together they enter in Gulzar Dadi to narrate the Avyakt Vanis. But Baba is telling: I do not enter in the Subtle Region dweller Brahma. And He is also telling that we Brahmakumar-kumaris are in a corporeal form; so Prajapita is also in a corporeal form. Does it not mean that ShivBaba is playing a part through Prajapita Brahma in this world itself?