Who is teaching RajYoga?? [from when and to whom??]

[shivsena]

Dear Shivsena,
so, who is this impure body mentioned in Murlis according to you?

Dear shivachild.

Good question....i frankly do not understand what is meant by impure body....for BKs it is DLR and for PBKs it is -Virendra Dev Dixit.

Also i do not understand why should the everpure Shiva (Ocean of purity) enter into a impure body in Sangamyug ????...if entrance of Shiva in impure body is absolute truth, then why there is no mention of Shiva incarnating in a impure-patit-kami-kanta in any of the Bhakti-scriptures of any religion.

Also when Shiva (supposedly as per BKs) incarnated in 1937 in DLR (Krishna) then there were more patit souls in the world than DLR...why did Shiva chose only DLR.????
Also when Shiva (supposedly as per PBKs) incarnated in 1969 in -Virendra Dev Dixit, then there were many souls in Sangamyug who were more impure-patit than -Virendra Dev Dixit..so why did Shiva choose to enter only -Virendra Dev Dixit.

So many points have to be addressed before we accept that Shiva does come in an impure body in Sangamyug....or this is just an illusion created in Murlis by mahamaya Gyan ki devi Saraswati(narrater of Murlis) to test the discrimination power of brahmins souls !!!!

[shivachild]

Good question....i frankly do not understand what is meant by impure body....for BKs it is DLR and for PBKs it is -Virendra Dev Dixit.

Dear Shivsena,

Murli dated 01.01.2013 says,: "The Father comes and makes you become like diamonds. They speak of the Night of Shiva. Shiva came in the night but how did He come? In whose womb did He come? Or, whose body did He enter? He doesn't enter a womb. He has to take a body on loan. He would definitely come and make hell into heaven. However, no one knows when or how He does this."

Same Murli says,:"He would definitely come to give Shrimat, would He not? However, no one knows how He comes or in which body He comes. He Himself says: I have to enter an ordinary body. I definitely have to name him Brahma. How else would Brahmins be created? Where would Brahma come from?.... He comes for this length of time and then leaves. The Father says: I too am tied in the bondage of the drama. My part is to come here just once."

This is really not an easy puzzle to know,

1) Shiva came in the night but how did He come?
2) whose body did He enter?
3) Who is this Brahma?
4) Which is this impure body?

But, He definitely come to give Shrimat,
And most interesting ,this happens only once in the whole cycle.

[shivsena]

Dear shivachild.

If Shiva really incarnated in impure Lekhraj Kirpalani in 1937, is this mentioned in any of the Murlis before june 1965 (for 28 years)....also why was the most important event in the whole Kalpa witnessed by only one person (daughter-in-law of Lekhraj Kirpalani) and what is the proof of Shiva's entry in Lekhraj Kirpalani in 1937.....And if this event happens only once in a Kalpa, then why do PBKs believe that Shiva incarnated in -Virendra Dev Dixit again in 1969 ???

[shivachild]

Dear shivachild.

If Shiva really incarnated in impure Lekhraj Kirpalani in 1937, is this mentioned in any of the Murlis before june 1965 (for 28 years)....also why was the most important event in the whole Kalpa witnessed by only one person (daughter-in-law of Lekhraj Kirpalani) and what is the proof of Shiva's entry in Lekhraj Kirpalani in 1937.....And if this event happens only once in a Kalpa, then why do PBKs believe that Shiva incarnated in -Virendra Dev Dixit again in 1969 ???

Very very logical.......
Either (Shiva entered in Lekhraj Kirpalani) or (Shiva entered in Virendra Dev Dixit). Only one statement may be true OR both statements are wrong.

[Roy]

This is really not an easy puzzle to know,

1) Shiva came in the night but how did He come?
2) whose body did He enter?
3) Who is this Brahma?
4) Which is this impure body?

But, He definitely come to give Shrimat,
And most interesting ,this happens only once in the whole cycle.

It is my understanding that when Father Shiv speaks of coming only once, and in the night... He is speaking of the year 1976, the year of the revelation of the Father.

“This(1976) is a special year that has been publicized as the year of Revelation (of the Father)... It will happen according to the drama (and) this is fine; but someone does become an instrument(murti). Just as there was the part of the establishment (of the Brahmin Religion or race) in the drama (through Brahma Baba Krishna); but Brahma(Baba Krishna) became an instrument (in 1947), didn’t he? He displayed courage, came practically, became an instrument, only then did it happen(i.e. before 1947, the Brahmin Religion did not exist, only Om Mandali - there was no BKIVV). Just as Brahma(Baba Krishna) became an instrument in the corporeal form for the establishment... Brahma(Baba Krishna then) became Avyakt(i.e. took on a subtle body, in 1968/9). Now (in 1976), who is the one in the corporeal form to cause the destruction (Shankar is known to be the one through whom destruction takes place)?” [Av 04.02.76]

[shivsena]

Very very logical....
Either (Shiva entered in Lekhraj Kirpalani) or (Shiva entered in Veerendra Dev Dixit). Only one statement may be true OR both statements are wrong.

Dear shivachild.

There are 2 repeated statements in Murlis: one is the incarnation theory in patit kami kanta and other is the yatharth roop of Shiva(understood by koto mei koi)....these two repeated statements are there in Murlis for a purpose: to seperate the brahmin family into two groups: Matale and sautele...those who believe in the yatharth roop of ShivBaba ie Mama-ad-shakti(ALAF) will be matale bacche and those who believe that shiv-bindi incarnates in either DLR or -Virendra Dev Dixit or both will be sautale bacche....Incarnation of SHIV in impure-patit-kanta is nivritti-marg and is never mentioned in any religious scripture....in hindy mythology Shiva and shakti are one and the same.(pravritti-marg).

Imo, the whole Gyan in Murlis can be summed up by the above paragraph.
shivsena.

[shivachild]

Dear Shivsena,How do you interpret the following shloka of Gita:

YADA YADA HI DHARMASYA GLANIRBHAVATI BHARATA
ABHYUTTANAM ADHARMASYA TADAATMANAAM SRUJAMYAHAM
PARITRANAYA SADHOONAAM VINASHAYACHA DUSHKRITAAM
DHARMA SAMSTHAPANARTHAYA SAMBHAVAAMI YUGE YUGE

English Translation: O Bharata, whenever there is decline of righteousness and rise of evil, I manifest Myself. For the protection of the righteous, for the destruction of wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma, I am born in every age

[shivsena]

Dear Shivsena,How do you interpret the following shloka of Gita:

YADA YADA HI DHARMASYA GLANIRBHAVATI BHARATA
ABHYUTTANAM ADHARMASYA TADAATMANAAM SRUJAMYAHAM
PARITRANAYA SADHOONAAM VINASHAYACHA DUSHKRITAAM
DHARMA SAMSTHAPANARTHAYA SAMBHAVAAMI YUGE YUGE

English Translation: O Bharata, whenever there is decline of righteousness and rise of evil, I manifest Myself. For the protection of the righteous, for the destruction of wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma, I am born in every age

Dear shivachild.
Very good and relevant quote from Gita.....this slok pertains to the behad ka drama.....imo, BKWSU is behad ka Bharat which has become irreligious and corrupt(where there is no interest in Gyan..only monetary interests thrive)...so when the behad ka drama ends in the near future, then Bharatmata shivshakti avataar(Mama) and her 108 shivshaktis will manifest in Bharat(BKWSU) and a new religion adi-sanatan devi-devta dharm will be established.....this slok is not applicable in 1937 when Shiv supposedly incarnated in Lekhraj Kirpalani in sthool Bharat desh....nor it is applicable on Virendra Dev Dixit(supposed Bharat by PBKs) in 1976.

[shivachild]

Dear Shivsena,
It is said in Murli/Vani,"This mother cannot have any Mother.Just as ShivBaba does not have any Father ; this one does not have any mother "

1) Who is this mother?Is Om-Radhey Mama?
2) ShivBaba is said Father here, Is ShivBaba not our mother (mother-Father combined)?

[shivsena]

Dear Shivsena,
It is said in Murli/Vani,"This mother cannot have any Mother.Just as ShivBaba does not have any Father ; this one does not have any mother "

1) Who is this mother?Is Om-Radhey Mama?
2) ShivBaba is said Father here, Is ShivBaba not our mother (mother-Father combined)?

Father shiv does not have any Father and the real Brahma(badi-Maa adi-shakti jagdamba) has no mother....even Lekhraj Kirpalani-Krishna baccha used to call Mateshwari jagdamba as Mama.

[Roy]

1) Who is this mother?Is Om-Radhey Mama? 2) ShivBaba is said Father here, Is ShivBaba not our mother (mother-Father combined)?

1) "Father (Shiv) with the help of mother (Gita Mata-Jagadamba) caused the (spiritual) birth of Krishna(Brahma Baba, when she explained the meaning of his visions to him). But they (the BKs of the Confluence Age) set Krishna(Pitashri Brahma Baba) as the creator of Gita (through their worship of him as Prajapati God Brahma, in the early days of the Yagya - which eventually leads to them placing the title Pitashri, before ShivBaba in the Murlis after Mama's death, in 1965) whereas the true creator of the Gita is Shiva. With the help of that Gita(Mata-Jagadmaba) He created Krishna (Brahma Baba, at the beginning of the Confluence Age)." [Mu 14.12.93]

"Brahma(Baba Krishna) is not the mouthborn progeny of Shiv (he is the mouth born progeny of Prajapita-Ram and Adi Brahma Gita Mata). ShivBaba comes and enters in this one (Brahma Baba Krishna, in 1947 in Karachi - when he reaches the age of 60) and makes him His own. This one (Brahma Baba Krishna) is also a creation (who takes spiritual birth at the beginning of the Yagya, directly through Gita Mata Jagadamba) . First He (Shiv) creates Brahma(i.e. Adi Brahma Jagadamba Gita Mata) and not Vishnu. It is even sung – Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar. It is not said – Vishnu, Shankar and Brahma. First Brahma(Adi Brahma Jagadamba) is created. Brahma(Dada Lekhraj)’s occupation (or role) is different (to hers i.e. Adi Brahma Gita Mata's). All these matters are to be understood. He(Shiva) is called – You are my Mother and Father. So He is incorporeal isn’t He? So, mother (Brahma Baba Krishna) and Father (Shankar-Prajapita-Ram) are required in corporeal form; only then do they ask – Is there a mother of Mama(Om Radhe)? It will be said – Yes; Brahma(Adi Brahma Gita Mata Jagadamba) is Mama’s(Om Radhe's) mother as well. Brahma(Adi Brahma Jagadamba) does not have any (corporeal) mother (as her role is created when Father Shiv enters her to narrate the accurate account of Dada Lekhraj's visions, to Prajapita-Ram - then she receives the seed of knowledge through him, in the form of the clarification of their meaning). Since this mother (Brahma Baba Krishna) is not a female... Saraswati(Om Radhe) is called Mama." [Mu 26.10.07]

“Only one Father(Shiv) has knowledge. You (true Brahmins who recognise the role of the Father, from 1976) take birth (as a deity in this very life of the Confluence Age - nar to Narayan, not the next in the Golden Age) through (understanding advance)knowledge. Gita is called Mother and Father; it is Mother and Father, isn’t it? You are (incorporeal)ShivBaba’s children; then Mother and Father are required (in corporeal form), aren’t they? Although people(BKs) sing, yet they don’t understand. The Father explains – Its meaning is so deep. It is said God Father, then why is He called Mother and Father(... it is because He plays the parts or roles of mother and Father separately, through different corporeal chariots)? Baba has explained – Although there is Saraswati(Om Radhe), yet the true mother is Brahmaputra(i.e. Brahma Baba Krishna, the son of Adi Brahma Gita Mata, and Prajapita-Ram, the true corporeal world mother and Father). There is the Ocean(Incorporeal ShivBaba or Father Shiv) and Brahmaputra(Brahma Baba Krishna); first of all, their confluence takes place (in a revealed form). (Incorporeal Shiv)Baba enters in him(Brahma Baba Krishna for the first time, in 1947, in Karachi - which is remembered as the birth of Brahma through the navel of Vishnu, in Bhakti marg). These are very deep topics.” [Murli 05.01.10]

“The Father says – I certainly require a Chariot. When I, the husband am big, then my wife should also be big. Saraswati(Om Radhe) is Brahma(Gita Mata, the true Jagadamaba the first, or Adi Brahma)’s mouthborn progeny. She is not Brahma(Baba Krishna)’s wife, she is Brahma(Gita Mata)’s daughter. Then why is she called Jagadamba(World Mother)? It is because this one(Brahma Baba Krishna - the incognito Jagadamaba) is a male, isn’t he? So, she(Om Radhe) has been kept to take care of the mothers. Brahma’s mouthborn progeny Saraswati, is Brahma(Gita Mata's)’s daughter. Mama(Om Radhe) is young, Brahma(Baba Krishna) is old. Young Saraswati does not fit as Brahma’s wife. She cannot be called a half partner.” [Mu 11.10.08]

"Brahma(Baba Krishna) only has to become vanni(wife - the role of Father is not played through him). (Shiv)Baba Himself says - He is my vanni... I enter into him and make you my children through him(i.e. create the Brahmin race or religion through the mother). He(Brahma Baba Krishna) is the true elder mother and she(Mama Om Radhe) happens to be an adopted mother. You can call them as mother and Father(up until their deaths, as these are only temporary titles). (Incorporeal)ShivBaba (the point form) is called only a Father (of souls). This is Brahma Baba(Krishna). Mama is (an) incognito (role). Brahma(Baba Krishna) is mother, but the body is male. He will not be able to take care (of the mothers in the Yagya)... that is why daughter(Mama Om Radhe) has been adopted." [Mu 11.11.05]

“In reality, this Brahma(Baba Krishna) is mother(the part of mother is played through him, by Father Shiv, from 1947/8 to 1968/9). But because of his male body, how can he be kept in charge of the mothers? For this reason, Jagadamba(Om Radhe) has been made instrumental.” [Mu 18.05.78]

2) "Who is this Prajapita(Ram), who is also Mother and Father of all? Since (incorporeal)ShivBaba(i.e. Father Shiv) is only Father of all souls. This Brahma(Baba Krishna) is child of ShivBaba as well as wife of ShivBaba. And this Prajapita(Ram), is both Father and Mother of all. Who is this soul? [Mu 11.12.01]

[shivsena]

1) Who is this mother?Is Om-Radhey Mama?
2) ShivBaba is said Father here, Is ShivBaba not our mother (mother-Father combined)?

Om-radhe combined with shiv becomes mother-Father combined(tamev mata-ch-pita tamev.)...rememberence is shivling.

[shivachild]

1) Who is this BRAHMA who is also mother of Mama(Om-radhey)?[/color] your views please.

I do not know of anyone who can be mother of Mama....everybody called om-radhe Mama but i have not heard that Mama called anyone else Mama.....for me she is supreme ruh and only those souls who consider her as supreme ruh wil become ruhani bacche by her help in the end....the rest are jismani bacche.

[shivsena]

shivachild Bhai.....i am sorry...i clicked the wrong button and your post got edited....please post again.

[shivachild]

shivachild Bhai.....i am sorry...i clicked the wrong button and your post got edited....please post again.

OK,I am posting the same again. Please read below (underline are words from Murli, in bracket are interpretations)

First Brahma(shivshakti-Brahma Jagadamba-Om Radhey) is created. Brahma(shivshakti-Om Radhey Jagdamba)’s occupation (or role) is different (to Vishnu and Shankar). All these matters are to be understood. He(Shiv+Shiva-shakti combined) is called – You are my Mother and Father. So He is incorporeal isn’t He? So, mother (shiv shakti) and Father (Shiv) are required in corporeal form; only then do they ask – Is there a mother of Mama(Om Radhe-Jagdamba)? It will be said – Yes; Brahma(WHO IS THIS BRAHMA?) is Mama’s(Om Radhe's) mother as well. Brahma(shiv shakti-Om Radhey Jagadamba) does not have any mother (as her role is to narrate the accurate account of Dada Lekhraj's visions-then he received the seed of knowledge through her). Since this mother (soul of shivshakti) is not a female... Saraswati(Om Radhe) is called Mama." [Mu 26.10.07]

Who is this Brahma who is the mother of Om radhey-Mama.