More BKWSU indulgence ...

[Sach_Khand]

He has already declared previously that ShivBaba can speak lies. So, ultimately it is upto him to follow the Shrimat or to mix his own opinion in it.

Dirty mind, dirty mind.
People can win the battles here in debating, but are really failing in their fight against Ravan.

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[arjun]

Dirty mind, dirty mind.
People can win the battles here in debating, but are really failing in their fight against Ravan.

My statement is based on mbbhat's statement on this forum. If speaking the truth indicates dirty mind, then let people decide for themselves.

[mbbhat]

has already declared previously that ShivBaba can speak lies

My statement is based on mbbhat's statement on this forum. If speaking the truth indicates dirty mind, then let people decide for themselves.

So- PBKs are interested in searching such truths! great!

Also- I had not declared so. I had said (saying and declaring are different) that such are yuktis and also have given enough explanations. So far no one has been able to explain most or at least many of such points.

Anyhow- if you feel you are really speaking truth, salutes and congrates to you

[arjun]

Saying (that ShivBaba can speak lies) and declaring is one and the same. Please see the following link for proofs:

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2218&start=15

On 22.7.10 sachkhand asked mbbhat: My only question to you, does Shiv tell lies?

On 23.7.10 mbbhat replied: Yes- if it helps (is necessary ) in realization of truth. But they are not called as lies, they are called as yuktis.

Further, there is an entire topic named 'Lie/Errors in Murlis OR Is it way of teaching of....' in this Section.

Despite the above proofs for my statements, if someone feels that I am lying, it is their sweet will.

[mbbhat]

SM 6-10-82(2):- Ghar may rahte srimath par chalo. Khan paan may bhi asar lag jaataa hai. Isliye yukti se chalna hai. Harek ka karm bandhan apnaa hai. KOYI BAANDHELI HAI. Koyi karm bandhanmukt hai. Koyi to chaturaayi se bhoo2 kar chutti lete hain. Yuktiyaan bahut samjhaayi huyi hain. BOLO- RAATH KO KRISHN KA SAAKSHAATKAAR HUVAA,... USNEY KAHA PAVITR BANO TO PAVITR DUNIYAA KA MAALIK BANENGI. Athvaa Baap ka farmaan hai pavitr bano. Main Bhakti ka phal dene aayaa hun. Toh zaroor Bhagavaan ki math par humko chalnaa hai, tab hi bigar sajaa khaaye hum mukti jivanmukti ko paayenge. Janm janmaantar kaa bhojaa sir par hai. JAISE BAAP EK SECOND MAY MUKTI JIVANMUKTI DETE HAIN VAISE SAJAAYEIN BHI EK SECOND MAY MIL JAATI HAIN. Parantu bhognaa bahut hoti hai. Jaise kasha kalvat khaate hain to thode samay may bahut sajaayein khaate hain. Parantu hisaab kitaab chukt ho jaataa hai. Tumko to bigar sajaa khaaney hisaab kitaab chukt karnaa hai. Isliye aisaa purushaarth karnaa chaahiye jo sajaa na khaani padey. Baba ko yad karnaaa achchaa hai. Vinaash bhi saamney kahdaa hai. -45 [second, WOT, dharnaa, baandheli]

= being at home, follow srimath. Even the food has effects. Hence one should use yuktis. Everyone's karm bandhan is unique. Some are bandhelis. Some do not have karm bandhan. Some bring (their husbands) by making bhoo2 with cleverness. Yuktis are (already) explained. Say- During night I got vision of krishn. ... He told if you become pure you will become masters of pure world. ... Or ..

Now- readers can conclude about meanings of mbbhat's and Arjun's comments.

[arjun]

Om Shanti. I have already given the proof and enough discussion has already taken place in the concerned threads. It would be a diversion from the topic of this thread if I continue discussion on the above topic.
OGS,
Arjun

[Sach_Khand]

My statement is based on mbbhat's statement on this forum. If speaking the truth indicates dirty mind, then let people decide for themselves.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2142&p=34535#p34535

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[arjun]

So now what does Arjun say about this? Veerendra Dev Dixit is considered as ShivBaba by all the followers of Veerendra Dev Dixit and this ShivBaba is changing his explanation. So does it prove that ShivBaba lies ? If the answer has to be in YES or NO, then what would be the answer of Arjun? Has ShivBaba lied?

ShivBaba has Himself said in the Sakar Murlis that refining and changing will take place till the end. Godly knowledge is not a stagnant knowledge. But this refining and changing does not mean that ShivBaba speaks lies.

Apart from this, I have already stated during detailed discussions on this topic many months ago that if someone speaks lies for the benefit of someone it is not called a lie. For example, if someone saves a cow from a butcher (searching for it) by telling that the cow has gone the other way, it is not called a lie. Similarly, ShivBaba says in the Murlis that if mothers or virgins lie to their family members to come to listen to Godly knowledge it will not be considered as a lie. But these examples do not mean that ShivBaba lies in the Murlis. As per advance knowledge, whatever Baba says in the Murlis are like lines drawn on stones, i.e. truth.

[Sach_Khand]

ShivBaba has Himself said in the Sakar Murlis that refining and changing will take place till the end. Godly knowledge is not a stagnant knowledge. But this refining and changing does not mean that ShivBaba speaks lies.

Apart from this, I have already stated during detailed discussions on this topic many months ago that if someone speaks lies for the benefit of someone it is not called a lie. For example, if someone saves a cow from a butcher (searching for it) by telling that the cow has gone the other way, it is not called a lie. Similarly, ShivBaba says in the Murlis that if mothers or virgins lie to their family members to come to listen to Godly knowledge it will not be considered as a lie. But these examples do not mean that ShivBaba lies in the Murlis. As per Advanced Knowledge, whatever Baba says in the Murlis are like lines drawn on stones, i.e. truth.

Just read what you have written about mbbhat for what he had written regarding ShivBaba lies.
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by arjun » 12 Nov 2010
" I have already answered all the questions asked by the above member. It is upto him to interpret Murlis in his own way. He has already declared previously that ShivBaba can speak lies. So, ultimately it is upto him to follow the Shrimat or to mix his own opinion in it. "

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by arjun » 14 Nov 2010
" My statement is based on mbbhat's statement on this forum. If speaking the truth indicates dirty mind, then let people decide for themselves. "

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by arjun » 15 Nov 2010
" On 22.7.10 sachkhand asked mbbhat: My only question to you, does Shiv tell lies?

On 23.7.10 mbbhat replied: Yes- if it helps (is necessary ) in realization of truth. But they are not called as lies, they are called as yuktis.
Further, there is an entire topic named 'Lie/Errors in Murlis OR Is it way of teaching of....' in this Section.

Despite the above proofs for my statements, if someone feels that I am lying, it is their sweet will. "=============================================

The people themselves know whether their will is sweet or not. But think of others as you think of yourselves. Why double standard?

Even mbbhat has written the same thing. Why are you trying to pinpoint what mbbhat had written and try to discredit him? You too know what he meant. Dirtymind is the one that knows what the other person meant but purposely tries to discredit him/her by just the words he/she had said or written.
Including myself, let us grow up.

:neutral:
Sanjeev.

[arjun]

Om Shanti. Whatever may be the intention of mbbhat Bhai but if he believes that ShivBaba is God and Murlis are Godly versions, he should not give a statement that God speaks lies. God is an ocean of truth. And calling Him as a liar is a sin. It is upto every soul to see Him as a liar or an ocean of truth. I don't have anything else to add.
OGS,
Arjun

[mbbhat]

Om Shanti. Whatever may be the intention of mbbhat Bhai but if he believes that ShivBaba is God and Murlis are Godly versions, he should not give a statement that God speaks lies. God is an ocean of truth. And calling Him as a liar is a sin. It is upto every soul to see Him as a liar or an ocean of truth.

So- do you believe that mbbhat does not believe Murlis are Godly versions?

Sometimes parents call their children- you naughty, thief, etc. Do you know this?

Sometimes even ShivBaba says- you children are monkeys, and sometimes says children are greater than me. Do you then think children are really greater than ShivBaba?

Have you heard the Murli point- "baath ko math pakdo, bhaavnaa ko pakdo = Do not stick to words, stick to feelings/intentions/attitude".

[PBKs do not stick either to words or to feelings. They are using according to their needs]

If you believe Murlis are Godly versions, I think no one can go out of BKWSU and become the so called PBKs.

Another thing is- I have heard from PBKs that the Sakar Murlis are like ved shastr and are useless to PBKs and real Gita is the clarification that comes out from Dixit's mouth. Is it so?

If yes, then why do you believe Murlis are Godly versions.

And when PBKs' belief is against both Sakar and Avyakt Murlis/Vanis, it is as good as PBKs saying God is liar.

[arjun]

Om Shanti. mbbhat Bhai can think whatever way he wants about God, Murlis, PBKs and me. I am sorry I don't have time to argue with him.
OGS,
Arjun

[mbbhat]

To make a little bit extra clear

he should not give a statement that God speaks lies. God is an ocean of truth. And calling Him as a liar is a sin.

Do you think good parents never lie with their children? If you think good parents lie sometimes do people call them as liars?

[mbbhat]

An unfortunate thing:- Yesterday a sister incharge told me- Some kumaris surrender in Yagya because they feel-

they are not forced to do heavy work like in lowkik life.
They think within few years they will become Centre-in-Charges.
They also think that they get authority over Bhandara box.
They have more freedom than in lowkik life.

Anyhow- I cannot say anything except quoting the Murli point and drama.