The Cycle of Time.

[mitra]

8) At the top of the picture a Point of Light is shown. 8)

[fluffy bunny]

At the top of the picture a Point of Light is shown.

Its an arrow pointing to an asterix, it leads to a note at the bottom of the page that states (typed exactly as printed);

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* This point represents the SANGAM(Confluence) of Kali-Yuga (Iron-
Age) and Sat-Yuga(Golden Age).

It goes on to say, "Divine Father, the Gita Author, PRAJAPATI BRAHMA(NOT Sri Krishna) who incarnated on this Kuru-Kshetra(World).

• Mitra, all she talks about is Divine and God Father Brahma. There is no mention of Shiva.

In fact, talking about the Brahm, she says,

"The Imperishable, Uncleavable, Supreme LIGHT (Incorporeal God) and this variegated Bioscope of the Creative Play, are both ETERNAL. We could simple say that Imperishable, Omni-Present, Omni-Potent, Omni-Scient Divine Light is Eternal."

And taling about the creation of the most Supreme Brahman Deity Dynasty in the Brahm-Puri (for which she is describing the Golden Age) she states;

... through the power of their faith in "Aham Brahm Asmi" (I am GOD Eternal and My Maya is also Eternal

So Mitra, please explain when Shiva actualy entered the BKWSU philosophy and when they changed it from Divine Father God Brahma (who incarnates in all 4 ages) to God Shiva?

• If you do not know, can you check with a Senior Sister, please?

I will tell you know that as far as I can see, it must have been at least after 1949, but I would like a specific date back and the circumstances for the change.

[john]

Its an arrow pointing to an asterix, it leads to a note at the bottom of the page that states (typed exactly as printed)

Maybe that's how Shiva the point of light came about, somebody mistook the asterix for a symbol of Shiva :lol:.

[paulkershaw]

Hinduism shows us to be in the Kaliyuga year 5147 (or 5170 perhaps) - by the way it's also called the Year of Excitement - we also could perhaps look at the point that many other followings/religions also refer to a cycle of time but not everyone shows it to be 5000 years.

I have heard the ascended masters talk about the cycles of time, and my understanding is that perhaps it has taken us 5000 years to lift the vibration or consciousness to a high enough level for transformation (ascension) to take place or perhaps that it took 5000 years for those that are helping us to attain their own perfection before they could assist?

Perhaps someone reading this and has knowledge of ancient texts or scriptutal reference let us know if these cycles are shown in their experiences too? How many years per cycle of time? If these points exist in our historical manuals (and maybe we could even say that the Sakar Murlis are historical - considering when they were 'spoken' - so it means that history could provide us with the answer, but that we may only need to look at in terms of a different reference / belief? Up and Over to anyone who cares....

Love and Light
Paul

[freefall]

Ancient Hindu text Manusmriti deals this topic in some detail. As per Manusmriti Ch.1 verse 69-74.

1 day of gods = 365 days of humans
1 year of gods = 365 X 365 days of humans

SatYuga = 4000 god years + 400000 god years preceding and suceeding twilight.
Tretayuga = 4000 god years + 40000 god years preceding and succeeding twilight.
Dwapar = 4000 god years + 4000 god years preceding and succeeding twilight.
Kaliyug = 4000 god years + 400 god years preceding and succeeding twilight.
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Total = 1 age of gods

1000 age of gods = 1 day of brahma

After the end of his day when brahma sleeps, the whole creation goes into annhilation. At the break of the day, when brahma gets up, new creation starts.

[bert]

Perhaps someone reading this and has knowledge of ancient texts or scriptutal reference let us know if these cycles are shown in their experiences too?

The Sanskrit scholar Sri Yukteswar (guru to Yogananda), believed that the current date for the Hindu calendar is in error, and was arrived at, as a result of a lack of political courage on the part of the ruling elite, to formally acknowledge the onset of the new Kaliyug, as the last Copper Age drew to a close. With the effect being, that instead of the calendar being reset to 1/1/1 to reflect the new Kali iaround 700 BC, it continued with the count of the closing Dwapara incrementing to 2401, and has continued to increment until present.

More details here at; [url=ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_calendar#Eras]Hindu Eras[/url]

Or I can recommend his book on the subject "The Holy Science" first published 1894 - still available I think from Amazon

[john]

It is said the world will be renewed by atom bombs and natural calamities.

Surely, if the 5,000 repeated Cycle is true, then every sun, moon, planet and atom in the universe will need to be renewed or put back to it's starting point as it was last Kalpa. How would that happen?

Atom bombs and earthquakes on this planet would not reach and effect the whole universe.

[paulkershaw]

Thinking, thinking, thinking ...

I am beginning to wonder if this 5000 Year Cycle thing doesn't belong to a soul group, or soul family; a particular number of human beings who are aligned together for this specific number of years and who energetically need each other in order to progress/evolve/ascend. This number could perhaps total 900,000 souls/beings/people which is the number supposedly needed by the BKs to tip the scales of justice????

My understanding (at present) tells me that we all belong to particular soul groups, or even soul sub groups, and if we have had a certain consciousness or memory or understanding in earlier births, it will remain with us and we would then recognise this as 'truth' when we hear it again. (If so, I rest my case that the BKWSU's teachings are linked to only a memory of something in the distant past and are not universal in nature ...).

If I then (through my life's lessons) join this particular soul group in my seach to be part of my own soul group and hear this 'truth', then it will only be so long until my original soul group's calling comes into play and off I will go from the group I am working with and start to say that all (or only some) what I learnt within that particular group is now untrue ... as it won't make sense to me in the long run ...

So, yes, even the forum members would be part of a soul group or soul sub group.

<All this soul and no song by ABEK in sight ~ Motown please take rebirth!>

[fluffy bunny]

Surely, if the 5,000 repeated Cycle is true, then every sun, moon, planet and atom in the universe will need to be renewed or put back to it's starting point as it was last Kalpa. How would that happen?

I agree entirely. What is the official answer? Nah, forget it. Its a waste of time.

I am beginning to wonder if this 5000 Year Cycle thing doesn't belong to a soul group, or soul family; a particular number of human beings who are aligned together for this specific number of years and who energetically need each other in order to progress/evolve/ascend. This number could perhaps total 900,000 souls/beings/people which is the number supposedly needed by the BKs to tip the scales of justice????

You could even extrapolate that further that this group went through a similar trauma some other place/time and they are still 'stuck in it' or needing to go through an experience to disprove it, e.g. endlessly predicting Destructions that never happen. ... or may be they are just nuts and/or deluded by a subtle "evil".

Personally, at best, I go for the "Monkey Trap Theory", i.e. that some higher beings reckon the only way to improve this particular bunch of humanity is to trick them into becoming better by all sort of contrivances, or monkey traps. (When the monkey reaches into the bottle to grab the sweets but cant escape because its fist holding the sweet cannot pull out of the bottle).

May be that time is already over and the ghost has left the building for only Lekhraj Kirpalani to carry on looking after his creation via Gulzar. But its an interesting point of view you have put.

Similar theories did circulate within the BK Family, e.g. that the BK Cycle did repeat for BKs but that the rest of time ran on after ... and before it. Imagine a straight line with a circle on it at one point. The rest of the world goes on the straight line, the BKs go round and round on the cycle.

Personally, I think the practicality of the effects of the collective madness are more important to address.

[bansy]

Anyone with the first Murli point, or to that matter in any Murli, that states this 5000 year figure ?

Funny such a question slips past during the BK induction course.

[fluffy bunny]

Anyone with the first Murli point, or to that matter in any Murli, that states this 5000 year figure?

It already existed in the "Divine Decrees" of 1943, perhaps also late 30s. I will check. (See link). So, if Shiva was not talking in his own name then, where did the idea come from?

[jakeyboy]

What about this 5000 year cycle garbage? How could you swallow that? Whenever i questioned that the woman gave the same answer ...you first have to understand the cycle before you can understand that.

Anybody here actually believe this nonesense and if so please give me your explanation.

[mr green]

Hey Jakeyboy, just take a bit of time to read through the posts on the site and you will see that many don't many do, many have, many haven't.

Personally, I was never comfortable with it. When I used to teach the lesson of The Cycle I always tried to omit the dates and times and would only elaborate if pressed.

[fluffy bunny]

One good point that was made on this forum. I never thought about it when I was in Gyan.

It is that there are many stars and galaxy more than 5,000 light years away. So they must existed more than 5,000 years ago ... or the BKWSU has to come up with some explanation of how God can re-wind light to have it back in the same place for the start of the Golden Age.

I am waiting to hear that that there were no stars, no planets and no cosmos at all until Brahma Baba had sex and started of the Copper Age 2,500 years ago. You see, the Golden Age was always Springtime and daylight. It must have been a great orgasm and one huge, big ejaculation to deliver the universe as we know it ... AND give birth to the dinosaurs.

[arjun]

Om Shanti. Some Members (BKs/PBKs) of this forum supported the 5000 years theory by raising a question mark over the efficacy of carbon dating technique to find out the age of various historical things. Here is a news story that lends some support to the above view. This has been published on the second page of the Times of India's today's issue (Saturday, 15th March, 2008).
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130-your-old's age claim baffles AIIMS docs
New Delhi: An ascetic admitted in the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) claims to be 130 years old, but the doctors at the premier hospital are taking it with a pinch of salt.

Resting in the hospital after a surgery for removal of a bladder tumour, Sant Swami Ramanand, who hails from Behta jungle near Shahjhanpur in Uttar Pradesh, claims that he is 130 years old. "It is for sure that he is above 100 years old. But whether his age is 130 years or not, I am not sure about it," said Dr.NPGupta, head of the department of urology, AIIMS, under whom Ramanand is undergoing treatment.

Even if Ramanand is over 100 years' old, he has created a record of sorts as it is the first time in the history of AIIMS wherein a person above the age of 100 had undergone a surgery. "He was suffering from carcinoma of bladder. He has undergone a cystropanedoscopy and removal of bladder tumour without any incision," Dr Gupta said. On his claims, Dr.Gupta said, "There is no arrangement in medical science which can correctly suggest a person's age after he or she has crossed the age of 60 or 70. If we are believeing him, it is all because he talks about Gandhi and lots about the history of India." PTI
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I was curious that when the medical science cannot correctly suggest a person's age after he or she has crossed the age of 60 or 70, then how can the carbon dating technique be so sure about the age of fossils or other historical things being hundreds, thousands or millions of years old.

AIIMS is considered to be the premiere medical research institute and super-specialty hospital in India.

Regards,
OGS,
Arjun