This is going to wander a little so if you want to follow the thread of "Shiva and Drama", skip down to the "Imagine for a moment" story.
Andrey wrote:All of these channels are very funny indeed ... So these books, writers etc. are all human beings. Nothing good has come from them. The world has continued to come down.
Ravan gives ten different oppinions through ten different heads. Ram gives only one opinion through only one head. The example is if in the shop the seller is good he puts a nice price. If you like - buy. No bargain.
Nothing good? Like, democracy, the end of [some] slavery, the emancipation of [some] women, welfare states, growth of literacy, science and medicine, international trade and communications, even a few druggies have been cured by Scientology ... I'd say humanity has done pretty well out of its books and writers. This is where the simple entropy model of the BKs fails. It has not all been down, down, down since 2,500 years ago. Indeed, 2,500 years ago seemed to be all murder, rape, genocide, trickster Gods, land grab and amorality as far as I can see. Can anyone explain to me how life 2,500 years ago was 50% better than now?
And even Ram (which Ram ... Virendra Dev Dixit?) does not always know or give answers. When he does not, how many children are courageous enough or have a strong enough intellect to question him? I don't know Shiva Baba via Virendra Dev Dixit but saw this problem a lot even with Dadis, nevermind Bap-Dada. Individuals would ask questions, the Dadi or Didi would actually answer the question, sometimes it was even clear that they did not understand the question, and then the student would just shut up because they were too embarassed or insecure to pick this up. Who has ever challendged Bap-Dada? Who would even be allowed to!?! There is also that old Bhakti sanskar of not wanting to show disrespect/upset the Guru by questioning them too hard.
andrey wrote:Of course we can know. This is what the knowledge is for. And here comes the faith in the knowledge. Faith is not a bad word. Scientists use faith before they start an experiment. We have faith the grocery will be at the same place as it did yesterday when we go shopping.
Seth was a spook not a human being. How can we know what Shiva really is? How can we know what any channelled entity is? They take possession of a medium and we can hear what they say and that is all. They have psychic powers over us [or not] and that is it. There could be more than one spirit, how could we tell? How was BapDada tested? Virendra Dev Dixit makes no claims. Again, it comes back to faith. How can we and who has ever tested one item of knowledge in 70 years?
Imagine for a moment,
The Trickster predicts Spring
A wise Trickster knows that Spring is arising and enters into a village where the people are all stupid and forgetful. It is Winter and becoming darker and colder. The villagers think the End of the World is coming. He tells them he is there to bring Springtime. Only a few villagers believe him out of hope and give him somewhere to live, something to eat, keep him warm.
It keeps getting darker and colder and a few believers leave the Trickster complaining but the ones that stay have given so much that they are afraid if they leave or stop feeding the Trickster that they will look even more stupid and out of fear it may get even colder and darker. The Trickster says it is so dark now that he needs to invite some friends to help him fight it and so the faithful villagers start feeding him too.
Soon, eventually, Spring starts to rise. It start getting lighter and warmer again.
Now the villagers that had been housing and feeding the tricksters think that what the Trickster has been saying was therefore true. And he has brought Spring. Spring really is coming. It is becoming lighter. They go telling the other villagers and a few villagers start to come back and give things to the tricksters out of gratitude. So the tricksters starts talking about an even better future to encourage them. A new golden summer! So the faithful villagers go out tell others again. All the time the tricksters have been fed and house for free.
Now, we know that Spring follows Winter naturally. So did the Trickster did. The villagers did not. All the Trickster did was look up a little bit ahead and claim that he was the one that was bringing that which was already coming naturally. He ends up with a nice house and land for himself and his friends, having been fed all winter without working, and now he has lots of followers that thinks he is a miraculous God too.
Sounds a bit like the BKWSU to me. Now, did he do anything or did he just see what was coming anyway?
Many - if not all of these channelled entities - promise change just around the corner, most - if not all - an end of the world. And they have been doing so for hundreds or thousands of years ... They have a slightly better vision than ours, slightly superior intellect than those they prey on. But who can take them to court and who can examine them scientifically ... they and their followers generally have 10,000 rules and excuse why not.
Science uses predictive calculations based on previous held
proven knowledge. There is
no "proven knowledge" within Gyan. There is not one element of it that you can prove. It is all faith based. Neo-Bhakti basically. Show us one piece of hard science in 70 years of effort. The only thing close I can think of is the Dadi Janki brainwave test. Where your theory above also falls apart is the idea that "everything" follows the same patterns, e.g. the 4 Ages. Well, it clearly does not and where there are natural cycles, each cycle is different which would suggest that each Kalpa should be different.
And who has been so hard to you on the path of knowledge, that have thought you that they'll be the ones who decide who'll have vimans and not.
No one. It will be your karma. You see, Andrey, if you do not do Bhakti to science at this time, science will not do Bhakti to you in the future. If you speak badly of science and scientists, they will not serve you in the Golden Age. Its true. You will be the only deity with a bicycle. BTW, what is the PBK take on nuclear power for the Golden Age? Is it true or is it something do to with the Sangum Yuga?