Personal Views and Questions of ex-BK 'jaycdp'

[jaycdp]

Re: Bap-Dada's LATEST & FINAL part

Dear brother,

Further to my previous post -
Some information from 'deep seek' is going to be posted for clarity about court cases -
Controversies & Allegations.

Cult-like Practices: Dixit’s organization, often referred to as "Vishwa Jagriti Mission" or "Jagriti Ashram", has faced accusations of operating as a cult. Former followers allege psychological manipulation, isolation from families, and strict control over members.

2018 Arrest: In December 2018, Dixit was arrested by Uttar Pradesh Police in Lucknow following a raid on his ashram. He faced charges including:

Illegal confinement of followers (particularly women).

Sexual exploitation and rape allegations.

Human trafficking and violation of immigration laws (some foreign devotees were reportedly held illegally).


Thanks
Jay

[jaycdp]

Re: Practical use of Baba's knowledge

Om Shanti.

This forum has hardly completed a month's full fledged existence and differences have already started cropping up between the members leading to slightly unsavoury situations now and then.

I feel that respect for each other's feelings and views would not only lead to progress of this forum but also attract more members. Personal remarks can be avoided as they may lead to disenchantment with the form and exodus of members. We should strive to grow our family, for which Baba has given and is still giving us wonderful knowledge.
I know that everyone on this forum is a knowledgeful and experienced person well versed with Baba's directions on how to practically use the knowledge in one's life, but still it would be good to revise some aspects of Baba's knowledge which are very useful for practical application in our life.

Therefore, if everyone agrees, I wish to start a series of posts (once in every few days) containing quotes from Baba's Murlis and the Avyakt Vanis which could be useful in one's practical life and would also be helpful in maintaining a cordial relationship between all the members on this forum.

If anyone feels it is not necessary we can discontinue. Members are welcome to express their views publicly or through private mails.
With regards,
On Godly service,
Arjun

Dear Arjun,

I would like to inquire whether you would be able to accept an individual with a mental illness, such as depression. This condition, often hereditary, can cause significant distress and may result in prolonged periods of insomnia and impaired functioning. Given these challenges, do you expect such individuals to rise each morning when they struggle to sleep?

Sincerely, jay

[jaycdp]

Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy

Flaw No. 01)PBKs say their group(the 2.25 lakh pbk souls) will be better/best in knowledge and Yoga(remembrance). They will imbibe purity/dharna from the other group(2.25 lakh souls of BKs). They say that the company of the other group will compensate for each group's deficiency.

But it is said that knowledge sits in pure intellect, which means one whose dharna(purity) is better, knowledge will sit there. So- how can fewer dharna souls(PBKs) have a high level of(advanced) knowledge?

Does not this mean that pbk philosophy is wrong by its definition?

Dear Brother,

PBKs says the Moon dynasty, the second dynasty that did not become impure like the Sun dynasty, will get united. They are BKs, and that does not mean any BKs.
Narayan and Narayani get united - that is Shakthi.

Om Shanti

[arjun]

Dear jaycdp,

Om Shanti. If you feel depressed and are experiencing insomnia, then there is no need to forcefully wake up early in the morning to remember God. You can remember God whenever you feel good. Once you improve your health you can try to wake up early.
OGS,
Arjun

Note: Admin, please move jaycdp's post and my reply to another appropriate thread. Thanks.

Note from Admin : The above post has been moved to this relevant section. Member 'jaycdp' is ONCE AGAIN requested to kindly post ALL his queries in this topic henceforth, and abide by the forum regulations.

[jaycdp]

DEAR ARJUN BHAYI,
OM Shanti,

By the blessing of Baba, this morning I woke up at 3 am and had good Yoga.
Besides, when I forget things, I let Baba help me, and now I can retrieve them in a few minutes, compared to being restless for hours in the past.
Om Shanti
Bhayi

[jaycdp]

Dear destroy old world
I have gone through your reply to me
Dear Brother,

I hope this message finds you in good spirits, surrounded by love and positivity. I recently had the opportunity to delve into your teachings, and I must say, I was genuinely impressed by the depth and creativity that you brought forth. The enthusiasm reflected in your work is commendable, and it showcases your passion for sharing knowledge with others.

However, I feel compelled to share my thoughts regarding the alignment of your teachings with the core principles of the Brahma Kumaris and the teachings of AIVV. While I believe your ideas are tremendously powerful and carry a lot of promise, I noted that they appear to diverge from the foundational teachings we hold dear. It’s an evolving landscape of spiritual understanding, and I respect the fluid nature of interpretation, yet I see the importance of grounding our work in the timeless truths that have guided us thus far.

With all due respect, I would like to suggest that instead of forming a breakaway faction, you might consider the creation of a new group. This approach could foster unity and maintain the integrity of our shared mission, while still allowing space for fresh perspectives to bloom. It’s crucial to remember to convey that Bapuji is indeed the Param Brahm, a statement that would resonate deeply with our community's beliefs. His vision was the foundation upon which we’ve built our understanding, and his loving nature continues to inspire us to aspire for higher consciousness.

Moreover, I cannot help but admire Bapuji’s profound fascination with astronomy and the mysteries of space. His insights about the celestial realm not only captivate but also empower us to think beyond our earthly existence. I have noted his predictions regarding conflict and warfare, where he emphasizes the collective responsibility we share in steering ourselves toward peace. It’s a gentle reminder that by aligning our actions with the principles of righteousness, we can potentially avert such turmoil.

As for the practice of meditation that you promote, I believe it holds incredible promise. The transformative power of meditation cannot be understated, particularly when it involves multiple repetitions that aid in deepening our connection to the divine. However, I’ve observed that the frequency of repetition in your teaching seems less than what we often experience in the mainstream teachings of the Brahma Kumaris. This could be an area worth exploring to enhance the spiritual journey of those who engage with your work.

Thank you for considering my feedback, and for your commitment to spreading wisdom and compassion in our world. Your dedication is invaluable, and I look forward to witnessing the evolution of your teachings as you continue to explore new paths in spiritual enlightenment.

Warm regards,
[Your Name]

[jaycdp]

About the confluence era,
The esteemed Virendra Dev Dixit has noted that the Sangam Yug, which may span a century, is meant for your generation. This was conveyed in a Hindi VCD. Essentially, it suggests that the destruction could extend over an extensive duration. This is my interpretation; does anyone else wish to share their thoughts?

[jaycdp]

dear audience
At present, we are knowledge-conscious and suffering immense sorrow. Soul consciousness is a hard task but can be achievable if Shiva exists.
We do not know whether Shiva exists because we are suffering deep ignorance and sorrow.

[jaycdp]

Dear soul-conscious brothers,
In this profound era known as the 'Sagum Yug,' we find ourselves deeply enmeshed in the overwhelming embrace of knowledge consciousness. However, this heightened awareness has come at a significant cost. Our students, the torchbearers of tomorrow, are grappling with the heavy burden of anxiety and trauma, wrestling with the haunting specter of impending destruction—an ongoing struggle that seems insurmountable as we collectively falter in our attempts to dismantle the vices that shackle our progress. The sorrow that permeates our hearts and minds during this time is a poignant reminder of the disquieting influence of knowledge consciousness.

It is important to recognize that consciousness is not merely a passive state but rather a daunting task that demands our unwavering focus and dedication. While we have the potential to achieve a higher state of awareness, we risk losing sight of our intrinsic nature as peaceful beings. In the relentless tide of modern life, we often forget this fundamental truth. The path to reclaiming our inner peace lies in fostering a deep understanding of our true selves—a journey that, regrettably, is not being supported within the walls of our educational institutions. Instead of nurturing growth and enlightenment, many of these establishments cultivate an atmosphere rife with fear and anxiety.

Yoga, in its essence, should serve as a sanctuary of peace and an avenue for heightened awareness. Yet, without a shift in consciousness to align with this transformative state of mind, our aspirations to change the world remain out of reach. If we long to heal not just ourselves but also the planet we call home, we must ignite a collective awakening, cultivating an environment that champions love and understanding over fear. It is essential that we encourage a renaissance of mindfulness within our schools and communities, steering us toward a brighter, more harmonious future. Together, let us embark on this journey toward enlightenment, where all beings can rediscover their peace and unlock the potential for true transformation.

[jaycdp]

Re: Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs
Post by arjun » 11 Mar 2025

शिवबाबा की मुरली
ShivBaba’s Murli
वीसीडी 2977, दिनांक 19.08.2019
VCD 2977, dated 19.08.2019
रात्रि क्लास 04.12.1967
Night Class dated 04.12.1967
VCD-2977-Bilingual-Part-2

समय- 24.11-44.53
Time- 24.11-44.53

अभी इस पुरुषोत्तम संगमयुग में एक है श्री। क्या? एक श्री है पुरुषोत्तम संगमयुग में? सन् 67 की वाणी। एक है श्री। लो। किसके लिए बोला? अरे, किसी के लिए बोला होगा ना? (किसी ने कुछ लिख कर बताया।) अच्छा? 67 में प्रजापिता को किसी ने पहचाना? (किसी ने कुछ लिख कर बताया।) ऊपरवाले ने पहचाना? दादा लेखराज ने पहचाना? मुरली में तो दादा लेखराज के मुख से बोल दिया। क्या? कि बच्चे प्रजापिता विद्यालय के पहले लिखना है। और अपने नाम से पहले भी प्रजापिता लिखना है। लिखना है ना? प्रजापिता ब्रह्माकुमार-कुमारी। तो, तो पहले तो प्रैक्टिकल में जिसके मुख से डायरेक्शन मिलता है उसको धारण करना पड़े ना? तो क्या ब्रह्मा सरस्वती और जो भी नज़दीकी थे उनके उन्होंने अपन को प्रजापिता ब्रह्माकुमार-कुमारी लिखना शुरू किया? किया? अरे? नहीं किया। इसका मतलब एक को पहचाना या नहीं पहचाना? नहीं पहचाना। हाँ, उन्होंने नहीं पहचाना। अच्छा। बाबा ने बोल दिया एक है श्री। तो उस समय एक था क्या मौजूद? (किसी ने कुछ लिख कर बताया।) नहीं? तो क्यों बोल दिया एक है श्री? श्री; श्री तो देवताओं को कहा जाता है। श्री माना श्रेष्ठ। बाकि कहें कि शिव बाबा। शिवबाबा का कम्परिजन करेंगे दूसरों के साथ? शिवबाबा तो किसी गिनती में ही नहीं आता, जो कहें इस टेप रिकार्डर से ये टेप रिकार्डर ज्यादा अच्छा है, ज्यादा श्रेष्ठ है? कोई चीज़ को कम्परिजन करेंगे ना? हाँ।

तो बताया – दूसरा तो कोई है ही नहीं श्रेष्ठ इतना जितना एक वो श्रेष्ठ है। तो लो कोई ने पहचाना ही नहीं, जाना ही नहीं तो है तो बोलने से क्या फायदा हुआ? अरे, बाबा ने तो बोल तो दिया ब्रह्मा के मुख से, शिवबाबा ने बोल दिया; क्या? एक है श्रेष्ठ। तो बताना चाहिए ना कौन है श्रेष्ठ? बाबा ने तो इमर्ज करके बताया। अपनी बुद्धि में इमर्ज कर लिया। सबको कैसे पता चले? तो श्री-श्री, वो श्री जो है ना; एक श्री कि दो श्री? (किसी ने कुछ लिख कर बताया।) हाँ, एक श्री। वो श्री या श्रेष्ठ बनाते हैं तो ये भी तो समझ होती है ना बच्चों को कि हम जितना उस श्रेष्ठ आत्मा की आज्ञा पर चलेंगे, श्रीमत पर चलेंगे इतना हम श्रेष्ठ बनेंगे। और उस श्रेष्ठ की श्रेष्ठ आज्ञा को नहीं किया, न भी किया किसी हालत में, कम बनेंगे। रिजल्ट क्या होगा? पूरा बनेंगे कि कम बनेंगे? कम बनेंगे। अभी तो करना, न करना, चलना, न चलना हरेक के ऊपर है ना?

अभी भी ये तो अपनी तो बढ़ाई नहीं करते हैं ना? कौन? ब्रह्मा बाबा अपनी बढ़ाई करते हैं? नहीं। वो तो कहते हैं हमारा फोटो भी नहीं रखो। कहते हैं कभी कि हमारा फोटो रखो? फोटो भी नहीं रखो। मेरे को याद भी न करो। याद करो? नहीं। ब्रह्मा अपनी बढ़ाई तो नहीं करते ना? पाई की भी नहीं करते। देखो, कोई भी बोलते हैं बाबा आपका फोटो निकालें। और हम बोलता, अरे, हमारा फोटो क्यों निकालोगे? हम तो वर्थ नॉट ए पैनी। हमारी तो एक कौड़ी की भी कीमत नहीं। अच्छा। झट ऐसे कह देते हैं। कि निकालना है कि नहीं निकालना है? ना। वर्थ पाउंड बन सकते हो अगर बाप के जो डायरेक्शन हैं, फरमान हैं, जो कहते हैं मुख से कि मुझे याद करो और फिर श्रीमत पर चलो। तो अच्छे से श्रेष्ठ बन सकेंगे।

अभी वो अपना चार्ट लिखें कि हम श्रीमत पर चलते हैं घड़ी-घड़ी या घड़ी-घड़ी अपनी मत पर चलने की शूटिंग कर लेते हैं? करते हैं या नहीं करते हैं या एक बार में कहने से करते हैं? नहीं समझ में आता है। अपनी मत कुछ और कहती है तो नहीं करते। अपनी मत पर चला तो जैसे रावण की मत पर चला। अपनी मत पर रावण की मत पर चला? क्यों? क्योंकि दो मतें हो गई ना? कि एक हो गई? हाँ, देवताओं की तो; देवता बनना है तो देवता की तो अद्वैत मत होती है। अ माने नहीं; द्वैत माने दूसरी नहीं। एक ने जो मत दी वो अद्वैत मत। और दूसरे ने थोड़ा सोच-विचार किया ये पता नहीं करना चाहिए कि नहीं करना चाहिए। अभी सोच लें। तो, तो द्वैतवाद पैदा हुआ या नहीं हुआ? हाँ, हुआ। अगर श्रीमत पर चला तो जैसे बाप की मत पर चला। ये तो सहज बात है ना बच्चे? क्योंकि अपनी मत ही आसुरी मत हो गई। क्यों हो गई? अगर किसी ने अपनी मत चलाई तो आसुरी मत क्यों हो गई? इसलिए हो गई कि बाप ने जो मत दी तो तुम्हें अपनी मत चलाने की क्या दरकार रह गई? रह गई? (किसी ने कुछ लिख कर बताया।) हाँ। अपनी मत अलग चला रहे। और बाप ने अलग मत दी। तो द्वैतवाद हुआ कि नहीं? हाँ, आसुरी मत हो गई। क्योंकि श्रीमत से ही श्रेष्ठ बनेगा ना? तो बाकि किसकी मत हुई? दो सिरों की मत हुई, ज्यादा की हुई कि एक की मत हुई? एक से ज्ञान आता है। और अनेक से अज्ञान आता है। तो एक से जिससे ज्ञान आता है, ज्ञान के लिए कहा जाता है, रिते ज्ञानान् न मुक्ति। बिना ज्ञान के मुक्ति नहीं। ज्ञान से सद्गति। अज्ञान से दुर्गति।

तो ये सभी बातें अपने से बड़ी अच्छी तरह से समझने की हैं। परन्तु ऐसे-ऐसे विचार-सागर-मंथन और ऐसे-ऐसे ख्यालात बहुत कम बच्चों को आते हैं। क्या? कि हम कितना श्रीमत पर चलते हैं और कितना अपनी मत लगाय लेते हैं? क्योंकि बच्चों का संग भी तो है ना? बाहर की दुनिया में जाएंगे तो क्या होगा? बाहर का कुछ संग लगेगा कि नहीं? हाँ, संग लगेगा। और यहां भी रहते हैं तो जिनके साथ रहते हैं तो एक तरह के बच्चे हैं कि अनेक प्रकार के हैं? अनेक प्रकार के। हाँ। तो यहां तो देखो बच्चों को तो संग तो है। हाँ। और वहां उस दुनिया में तो बिचारों को बहुतों का संग मिलता है। यहां तो अगर पक्का कर दें तो एक का संग प्रैक्टिकल में है या नहीं है? है। तो यहां संग होते भी इनका फायदा नहीं ले सकते हैं। पूरा फायदा नहीं ले सकते हैं। किनका? किनका फायदा नहीं ले सकते हैं? इनका माने किनका? क्योंकि यहां वाले जो संग हैं ना नंबरवार हैं। कोई थोड़ी मत, मनमत पर चलते हैं। कोई बहुत मनमत पर चलते हैं। हैं तो मनमत पर चलने वाले। उनके संग होने से फिर वो मनमत पर चलते ही रहते हैं। क्या? इन्द्रियों का संग होने से, मन-बुद्धि का संग होने से या ज्ञानेन्द्रियों का संग होने से फिर मनमत पर चलते ही रहते हैं। बाप की मत पर नहीं चलते हैं। कारण क्या बताया? या तो मन-बुद्धि के जो संकल्प हैं उनका संग रहता है या जो ज्ञानेन्द्रियां हैं ना उनका संग रहता है। आँखों का संग होता है कि नहीं? हाँ, होता है। कानों का संग होता है कि नहीं? कोई की बात एक कान से सुनी, दूसरे कान से निकाल दी तो संग नहीं हुआ। और ध्यान से सुनी और फिर धारण कर ली और विचार करना शुरू किया तो फिर मनुष्य मत तो हुई ना? नहीं हुई? हुई।

तो संग होने से फिर मनमत पर चलने लग पड़ते हैं। बाप की मत पर नहीं चलते हैं वो फीलिंग आती है बाप को। किसको? बाप को फीलिंग आती है। अच्छा? वाह रे वाह! कौनसे बाप को फीलिंग आती है? बाबा तो कहते हैं फीलिंग फ्लू की बीमारी है। और यहां बाप को ही फीलिंग आती है। अरे, कौनसे बाप को फीलिंग आती है? हाँ, जिस तन में; (किसी ने कुछ लिख कर बताया।) शिवबाबा को फीलिंग आती है? वाह भैया! वाह रे इनके शिवबाबा। इनको फीलिंग फ्लू की बीमारी होती है। शिवबाबा को भी फीलिंग फ्लू की बीमारी होती है? शिवबाबा कौनसी बिन्दी आत्मा को समझते हो? सुप्रीम सोल की बिन्दी को समझते हो या जिस मुकर्रर रथ में प्रवेश किया उस रथधारी की बिन्दी को समझते हो? कौनसी बिन्दी को समझा शिवबाबा? (किसी ने कुछ लिख कर बताया।) ऊपरवाले को? तो वो फीलिंग करता है? फीलिंग करता है? वो थोड़ेही फीलिंग करता है? तो किस बाप की बात बताई? अरे, बताओ। (किसी ने कुछ लिख कर बताया।) हाँ, मुकर्रर रथधारी की बात बताई। या तो जो भी टेम्परेरी रथ हैं उनकी भी बात बताई।

बाप तो कायदे से समझाते रहते हैं। समझाते रहते हैं ना? क्योंकि ये कहते हैं तो वो बिचारे समझ जाते हैं कि ये कहते हैं ना? कौन कहते हैं? ये कहते हैं ना? शिवबाबा नहीं कहते हैं और ये कहते हैं। माना दोनों में भेद पैदा कर दिया कि ये शिवबाबा नहीं कहते हैं। ये शिवबाबा जिसमें प्रवेश है वो कहते हैं। भल कुछ भी हो। ये कहते हैं या वो कहते हैं इस लफड़े में क्यों पड़ना? भले कुछ भी हो। तुम शिवबाबा की मत पे चलो। इस चक्कर में न पड़ो। क्या? ये, ये शिव बाप सुप्रीम सोल कहते हैं या ये कहते हैं? कौन कहते हैं? रथ तो कहने वाला तो एक ही है। कि दो-दो मुखों से कहता है? मुख एक है कि दो है? रावण का मुख है? रावण के तो अनेक मुख होते हैं। और राम का? राम का तो एक मुख होता है ना? हाँ। तो शिवबाबा की मत पर चलो तो शिव ही याद आवेगा। कि कोई दूसरा याद आवेगा? हाँ, तुम बुद्धि में ये रखो कि शिवबाबा की मत हमें मिली। उसमें द्वैतवाद नहीं पैदा करोगे तो शिवबाबा ही याद आवेगा। और शिवबाबा से जो मत मिलती है वो तो मत अच्छी ही मिलती है।

और फिर बाबा कहते हैं अगर समझो कि इन द्वारा कोई उल्टी-सुल्टी मत मिल भी गई; ऐसा समझते हो ना? तो? तो फिर रेस्पान्सिबुल कौन हुआ? रेस्पान्सिबुल शिवबाबा हुआ या नहीं हुआ? हुआ। रेस्पान्सिबुल शिवबाबा है। है ना? नहीं है? चाहे मुकर्रर रथ के द्वारा चारे टेम्परेरी रथ के द्वारा? दोनों के द्वारा? मुकर्रर रथ के द्वारा कहा। टेम्परेरी रथ भी हैं। उनके द्वारा कहा। उल्टा-पल्टा कुछ कहा। हमें लगा कि कुछ उल्टी-सुल्टी मत देते हैं तो सबके लिए, सभी मुखों के लिए जो भी ब्रह्मा के मुख हैं, क्योंकि जिनमें प्रवेश करते हैं उनका नाम ब्रह्मा ही देते हैं। तो शिवबाबा ही रेस्पान्सिबुल है? है? हां, है। उनका रथ है ना? हाँ। उनका। उनका माने एक का? (किसी ने कुछ लिख कर बताया।) दो का रथ है? उनका रथ है। उनका रथ है ना? तो वो आपेही उनको ठीक कर देंगे। कौन ठीक कर देंगे? करने, न करने वाला कौन? कर्ता और अकर्ता कौन? कभी ऊपर कभी नीचे? करता कौन है? कौन नहीं करता? अकर्ता कौन? (किसी ने कुछ लिख कर बताया।) हाँ, जिस मुकर्रर रथधारी में प्रवेश करते हैं, वो बताया ना, वो है एवरलास्टिंग सबकी सारी दुनिया की बुद्धि में बैठेगा ये है शिवबाबा। कौनसा? ये दुनिया का अंत होता है ना तो सारी दुनिया समझ जाएगी कि ये एक है शिवबाबा। तो वो ठीक कर देंगे। किसको? मुकर्रर रथधारियों का बोला हुआ भी ठीक कर देंगे; और मुकर्रर रथधारी तो एक ही होता है। समझ लेते हैं। जैसे ब्रह्माकुमार-कुमारियों ने क्या समझ लिया? कि मुकर्रर रथधारी कौन? दादा लेखराज। तो उल्टा समझ ले लेते हैं। मुकर्रर रथधारी तो एक ही है। बाकि तो और ब्रह्मा के मुख जो हैं वो टेम्परेरी रथ हैं। उनके द्वारा भी उल्टा-पल्टा अगर कुछ बोला तो उनको भी ठीक? ठीक कर देंगे। क्योंकि बुद्धि में बैठा है ना? क्या? क्या? तुम बच्चों का विजय जन्म सिद्ध अधिकार है। अंत में विजय होगी कि हार होगी? अंत में तो विजय हो जाएगी ना? हाँ।

तो तुम भी ऐसे ही समझो कि शिवबाबा की मत है। ‘भी’ क्यों लगा दिया? भी’ क्यों लगा दिया? वो एक मुकर्रर रथधारी तो समझे ही समझे कि एक की मत है। लेकिन तुम बच्चे तो बहुत हो ना? तो तुम भी क्या समझो? हाँ, एक की ही मत है। तो तुम्हारी इस निश्चयबुद्धि में विजय ही विजय है। ओमशान्ति। (समाप्त)

Now in this Purushottam Sangamyug (elevated Confluence Age) one is Shri. What? Is one Shri in the Purushottam Sangamyug? Vani dated 1967. One is Shri. Look. For whom was it said? Arey, it must have been told for someone, wasn’t it? (Someone wrote something in reply.) Achcha? Did anyone recognize Prajapita in 67? (Someone wrote something in reply.) Did the above one recognize? Did Dada Lekhraj recognize? It was told through the mouth of Dada Lekhraj in the Murli. What? That children you have to write Prajapita before Vidyalay. And you have to write Prajapita before your name as well. You have to write, don’t you have to? Prajapita Brahmakumar-kumari. So, so, first of all, the one through whose mouth you get directions in practical, will have to inculcate, will he not? So, did Brahma-Saraswati and all those who were close to them start introducing themselves as Prajapita Brahmakumar-Kumaris? Did they? Arey? They did not. It means did they recognize one or not? They didn’t recognize. Yes, they didn’t recognize. Achcha. Baba has said that one is Shri. So, was that ‘one’ present at that time? (Someone wrote something in reply.) No? So, why did He say that one is Shri? The deities are called Shri, Shri. Shri means shreshth (righteous). But as regards ShivBaba; Will you make a comparison of ShivBaba with others? ShivBaba doesn’t come in counting at all so that you could say that this tape recorder is better, advanced than this tape recorder? You will make a comparison with something, will you not? Yes.

So, it was told that there is nobody else who is as righteous as that one. So, look, nobody recognized at all, know at all, then is there any use of speaking? Arey, Baba has told through the mouth of Brahma, ShivBaba spoke; what? One is righteous. So, you should reveal as to who is righteous, will you not? Baba made him to emerge and told. He made him to emerge in His intellect. How will everyone know? So, Shri-Shri, that Shri is there, isn’t he? One Shri or two Shri? (Someone wrote something in reply.) Yes, one Shri. When he makes Shri or righteous, then children also understand that the more we follow the orders, the Shrimat of that righteous soul, we will become righteous to that extent. And if you don’t follow the righteous order of that righteous one, even if you don’t follow under any circumstance, then you will become [righteous] to a lesser extent. What will be the result? Will you become complete or less? You will become less. Now doing, not doing, following, not following is dependent on each one, isn’t it?

Even now this one does not praise himself; does he? Who? Does Brahma Baba praise himself? No. He says that do not even keep my photo. Does he ever ask you to keep his photo? Do not keep the photo as well. Do not remember me as well. Should you remember? No. Brahma doesn’t praise himself; does he? He doesn’t even worth a pie. Look, anyone says, Baba, let me click your photo. And I say, arey, why will you click my photo? I am worth not a penny. My value is not even worth a cowrie (a shell). Achcha. He says so immediately. Should you click or shouldn’t you? No. You can become worth Pound if you follow the directions, the orders of the Father through the mouth that remember Me and then follow the Shrimat. Then you can become righteous nicely.

Now they should write their chart that whether we follow the Shrimat every moment or do we perform the shooting of following our own opinion every moment? Do we or don’t we or do we do on being told once? You are not able to understand. If your own opinion says something else, then you don’t do. If you follow your own opinion, then it is as if you follow Ravan’s opinion. Is following one’s own opinion like following Ravan’s opinion? Why? It is because there are two opinions, aren’t they? Or is it one? Yes, as regards the deities, if you want to become deity then a deity has advait (monist) opinion. ‘A’ means ‘no’, dwait means ‘not other’. The opinion given by one is advait opinion. And if another person thinks a little, who knows whether we should do this or not; let me think now. Then, then did duality emerge or not? Yes, it emerged. If he follows the Shrimat then it is as if he followed the Father’s opinion. This is an easy topic, isn’t it child? It is because one’s own opinion itself is demoniac opinion. Why is it so? If someone starts his own opinion, then why is it a demoniac opinion? It is so because when the Father has given His opinion, then is there any need for you to start your opinion? Is it there? (Someone wrote something in reply.) Yes. You are following your own opinion separately. And the Father gave a separate opinion. So, is it duality or not? Yes, it is demoniac opinion. It is because you will become righteous through Shrimat only, will you not? So, whose opinion is the remaining opinion? Is it the opinion of two heads, opinion of more or opinion of one? Knowledge comes from one. And ignorance comes from many. So, the one from whom knowledge comes, it is said for knowledge – Ritey gyaanann na mukti. There is no mukti (liberation) without knowledge. True salvation (sadgati) through mukti. Degradation (durgati) through ignorance.

So, all these topics are to be understood very nicely on your own. But very few children churn the ocean of thoughts like this and get such thoughts. What? That to what extent do we follow the Shrimat and to what extent we add our opinion? It is because children have company also, don’t they? What will happen when they go to the outside world? Will they get coloured by outside company to some extent or not? Yes, they will be coloured by the company. And even if they live here, then the ones with whom they live are they one kind of children or of many kinds? Of many kinds. Yes. So, look, here children have company. Yes. And there in that world poor fellows get the company of many. Here if you resolve strongly, then is there the company of One in practical or not? There is. So, despite having company here, you cannot reap their benefit. You cannot reap complete benefit. Whose? Whose benefit can you not reap? ‘Their’ refers to whom? It is because those who are in your company here are numberwise, aren’t they? Some follow the opinion, the opinion of the mind to some extent. Some follow the opinion of the mind a lot. They are the ones who follow the opinion of the mind. Because of being in their company, they keep on following the opinion of the mind only. What? Because of being in the company of the organs, because of being in the company of mind and intellect or because of being in the company of sense organs, they keep on following the opinion of the mind only. They do not follow the Father’s opinion. What is the reason that was mentioned? Either they keep the company of the thoughts of the mind and intellect or they keep the company of the sense organs, don’t they? Do they keep company through the eyes or not? Yes, they keep. Do you keep company through the ears or not? If you listen to someone’s words through one ear and leave it through the other, then there is no company. And if you listen carefully and then inculcate it and start thinking over it then it is the opinion of the human being, isn’t it? Is it not? It is.

So, because of the company, they start following the opinion of the mind. They do not follow the Father’s opinion; the Father gets that feeling. Who? The Father gets the feeling. Achcha? Wow, wow! Which Father gets the feeling? Baba says that ‘feeling’ is a disease of flu. And here the Father Himself gets the feeling. Arey, which Father gets the feeling? Yes, the body in which; (Someone wrote something in reply.) Does ShivBaba get the feeling? Wow brother! Wow the ShivBaba of this one! He gets the flu disease of feeling. Does ShivBaba also get the disease flu of feeling? Which point-like soul do you consider as ShivBaba? Do you consider the Supreme Soul point or do you consider the point of the permanent Chariot in which He entered, the point of that Chariot-holder? Which point did you consider as ShivBaba? (Someone wrote something in reply.) The above one? So, does He get a feeling? Does He get a feeling? He doesn’t get a feeling. So, the topic of which Father was mentioned? Arey, speak up. (Someone wrote something in reply.) Yes, the topic of the permanent Chariot holder was mentioned. Or the topic of all the temporary chariots was mentioned.

The Father keeps on explaining as per rule. He keeps on explaining, doesn’t He? It is because when this one says then those poor fellows understand that this one says, doesn’t he? Who says? This one says, doesn’t he? ShivBaba doesn’t say and this one says. It means that a difference was created between both that this ShivBaba doesn’t say. The one in whom this ShivBaba enters, says. Whatever it may be. Why do you fall into the confusion of whether this one says or that one says? Whatever it may be. You follow the opinion of ShivBaba. Do not fall in this confusion. What? This, this Father Shiv, the Supreme Soul says or this one says? Who says? The Chariot, the speaker is only one. Or does He speak through two mouths? Is there one mouth or two? Is it Ravan’s mouth? Ravan has many mouths. And Ram? Ram has one mouth, doesn’t he? Yes. So, if you follow the opinion of ShivBaba, then Shiv alone will come to your mind. Or will anyone else come to your mind? Yes, you keep this in your intellect that we got the direction of ShivBaba. If you don’t create duality in that, then ShivBaba alone will come to the mind. And the directions that you get from ShivBaba are good directions only.

And then Baba says – Even if suppose you get any wrong direction through these; You understand this, don’t you? So? So, then who is responsible? Is ShivBaba responsible or not? He is. ShivBaba is responsible. He is, isn’t He? Is He not? Be it through the permanent Chariot or through the temporary Chariot? Through both? He said through the permanent Chariot. There are temporary chariots as well. He said through them. He said something wrong. We felt that if he gives some wrong direction, then for everyone, for all the heads, whatever heads of Brahma are there, because in whomsoever He enters He names them Brahma only. So, is ShivBaba alone responsible? Is He? Yes, He is. It is His Chariot, isn’t it? Yes. His. Does ‘His’ refer to one? (Someone wrote something in reply.) Is it the Chariot of two? It is His Chariot. Is it His Chariot, isn’t it? So, He will Himself correct it. Who will correct? Who is the one who corrects or doesn’t correct? Who is the doer and who is the non-doer? Sometimes up, sometimes down? Who does? Who doesn’t do? Who is the non-doer? (Someone wrote something in reply.) Yes, the permanent Chariot-holder in whom He enters, it was told, wasn’t it, he is the everlasting one, it will sit in the intellect of everyone, the entire world that this is ShivBaba. Which one? When this world ends, doesn’t it, then the entire world will understand that this is one ShivBaba. So, He will correct. Whom? He will correct whatever was spoken by the permanent Chariot-holders also; and the permanent Chariot-holder is one only. People think. Just as what did the Brahmakumar-kumaris think? That who is the permanent Chariot-holder? Dada Lekhraj. So, they think wrongly. The permanent Chariot-holder is only one. All other heads of Brahma are temporary chariots. Even if anything is spoken wrongly through them as well, then He will correct them as well. It is because it has sat in the intellect, hasn’t it? What? What? Victory is the birth right of you children. Will there be victory or defeat in the end? There will be victory in the end, will it not be there? Yes.

So, you too think like this only that it is ShivBaba’s direction. Why was ‘too’ added? Why was ‘too’ added? That one permanent Chariot holder should definitely think that it is the direction of one. But you children are many, aren’t you? So, what should you too think? Yes, it is the direction of one only. So, there is victory and just victory if you have this firm faith. Om Shanti. (End)
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Dear Arjun Bhai,
Om Shanti,

May I provide my personal observation regarding your above-mentioned Murli, in my personal opinion?

Thanks,

Jay

[jaycdp]

Today's Murli, 9/03/2025,

What are the signs of Sathopradhan effort-makers?

They fill their apron with ------------------and donate.
You are sitting in front of the one whom the ________________praise
Children remember the Father; however, you do not have to pay ________________ to him
Who showed us the way to claim unlimited inheritance from the Father?
What kind of souls or souls make effort to make you children equal to themselves?
People donate money and perform acts of charity in the name of God. That is _________________.

[jaycdp]

Re: Flaws in PBK Philosophy
Post by mbbhat » 10 Mar 25

# Flaw No. 637) PBKs inadvertently imply- "PBKs have no connection with either Shiva or Shankar, hence are not connected spiritually with Shiva or any soul:-

757)PBKs mock at BKs that- BK is half caste, because P(Prajapita) is missing in BK. According to the PBK manipulation theory, Brahma and Prajapita are different. But, it is wrong and already disproved.

758)Full name of BKs is - "Shiv_Vamshi Swadarshan Chakradhaari Braahman Kul Bhooshan "= Swadarshan Chakradhaari children of Shiv and braahmins (children of Brahma)." .

In BK point of view, term BK, PBK, Shiv_Vamshi braahman kulbhooshan, Shiv_Vamshi Prajapita Brahmakumar& Kumari, etc. all are same. Some are short forms, some are longer forms, that is all.

759)According to PBKs- names of both Prajapita(P) and Brahma(B) should be mentioned explicitly. Hence they hijacked name PBK for themselves.

760)But, PBKs do not include name either Shiva(S) or Shankar(S) in their title PBK. So- both are absent in their title.

761)PBKs may claim Prajapita is Shankar, but Murli point clearly says- Shankar cannot be called as Prajapita.

762)Moreover, Shiva totally is absent in their title PBK, is it not?

763)So- the so-called PBKs may criticize BKs as half caste, but they now - inadvertently imply- they are not at all born spiritually, because they have no connection with Shiva (according to their own logic).

764)Now, when the connection of the foundation Shiva is not present in their title- their other title - P(Prajapita) or B(Brahma) are meaning-less (in their own view). Hence they have not got spiritual birth at all.
[Because it is their argument that all these names should be present in the title name itself.
So- in manipulating the knowledge and criticizing BKs, PBKs fell into their own pit even more deeply.]

Dear Mbbhat,

Please focus on making an effort to become soul-conscious, and be aware that wasting time in just debating is very unproductive.

Thanks,

Jay

[admin]

Dear Jay,

You are, ONCE AGAIN, requested to kindly post ALL your queries ONLY in this topic henceforth, and abide by the forum regulations.

Please note that your post of 9th March, 2025, which you had made in the topic = Re: Extracts of PBK Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs = of the sub-forum = For PBKs - supporting ‘Advanced Knowledge’ = has been moved to this personal topic of yours in this sub-forum. Such actions of moving posts take up a great deal of time of the SAT - and time is at a premium these days. Hence you are requested to closely study the manner in which your posts of 9th & 11th March, 2025, have been reconfigured and re-posted herein, and ensure that the same procedure is strictly followed in the future - as per the clear guidelines provided to you in the topic = SAT guidelines to forum members = of the sub-forum = Admin = dated 26th February, 2025. Your response to same dated 28th February, 2025, has been noted, but judging from your recent posts in this topic, it is very clear and evident that you are very intelligent and very sharp in your perspectives and you possess the ability to follow the guidelines accurately without any difficulty. Please be guided accordingly.

Thank you, and with best wishes,

SAT

[jaycdp]

Dear brahmin Brothers,
One day, a curious student approached Virendra Dev Dixit Baba with a thought-provoking question. With genuine curiosity in their eyes, they asked, "Baba, what happens when we stray from the path of Sreemath? Is there a concept of self-punishment in such situations?"

Virendra Dev Dixit Baba, known for his wisdom and insightful teachings, responded with an intriguing perspective that left a lasting impression on the student. He explained that if one were to wait for the judgment of Dharma Raj, the divine personification of justice, any misdeed would eventually lead to consequences that could be compounded over time, much like interest accrues on a debt. In other words, ignoring our responsibilities and ethical obligations does not go unnoticed; the repercussions may come back to us in ways we might not expect, and often, they could be more severe than we initially anticipated.

However, Baba Virendra Dev Dixit did not stop there. He further encouraged the student to view this idea through a more positive lens. He shared that if we consistently strive to follow the principles of Sreemath with sincerity and dedication, we can accumulate not just material wealth, but an even greater treasure—an abundance of happiness and inner peace. Just as interest can build on financial investments, so too can the benefits of adhering to virtuous principles grow over time.

In essence, indulging in the pursuit of righteousness and living a life aligned with spiritual teachings yields exponential rewards in our emotional and spiritual well-being. By embracing these ideals, we not only safeguard ourselves from potential setbacks but also pave the way for a fulfilling and enriching life filled with joy and tranquility.

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[jaycdp]

Dear respected Brothers and sisters,
Om Shanti
jaycdp's perspective on the study of the Ladder,



A comparative study between Brahma Kumari and the advanced knowledge given in Kampil through Virendra Dev Dixit Baba.

Knowledge is very subtle and highly elevated; the knowledge of the Ladder is the foundation of the divine course. Brahma Kumari tutoring primarily addresses the 5000-year-old drama of the world.



In contrast, the Prajapita Brahma Kumari advanced knowledge given by Virendra Dev Dixit mainly focuses on the Sangama Yuga Brahmins (both BK and PBK). Brahma Kumari's knowledge does not discuss the advanced knowledge provided in Kampil. Conversely, Baba Virendra Dev Dixit discusses both the Brahmins of Brahma Kumari and the Brahmins of advanced knowledge.



Contrarily Brahma Kumari does not consider the Vidhesh or Vidharmy souls as Brahmins. On the other hand, the advanced knowledge given in the sample and by Virendra Dixit elaborates significantly on foreign religions and their seed souls, along with their follower souls.



Inevitably, Baba Virendra Dev Dixit considers the seed souls of PBKs to be playing the part of Ravana. I once heard Virendra Dev Dixit Baba say that Maya is the daughter of the Raven. He has elaborated several times on the names of the five religious seed PBK Brahmin souls, and the five female and five root souls from the BK family that are playing the role of Ravana.



Although I am not an expert, I have studied the knowledge intensively, and he (Virendra Dev Dixit BABA) has never clearly mentioned who is playing the role of Maya. I guess that if the advanced knowledge is true knowledge, then the senior BKs could be the ones playing the role of Maya. According to him, Maya attacks the faith of Brahmin children. Baba V is carefully choosing these words at the right time and place to delineate the plan and projects in detail.

However, Brahma Kumari's teaching is not enthusiastic in these areas of study, and they mainly consider Shivling or red-light therapy, along with pictures of Brahma Baba. They have never mentioned where Brahma Baba's Atma resides at the moment.