Bodiless in One second

[bansy]

Can any BK PBK or anyone explain how one can be bodiless in one second, and realises they are bodiless that next second, and then how one returns back to the body, if there are no body functions to give the soul a cue to return to the body ?

This practice often is done on the spot in Avyakt BapDada meetings and other meetings/courses/lessons, but how does one go to and return from the bodiless form ?

No-one can really be bodiless are they ? Otherwise we (the soul) would or could not notice anyone else around them.... ?

[arjun]

I think it is about being aware of being a soul (different from the body) for a second and then losing that awareness the next second. But we should endevour to increase that practice progressively.

[shivshankar]

Yes, it is the matter of experiencing yourself detached from the body in any moment. Indeed the aim is to feel yourself detached from the body constantly, while walking, eating etc. This is only to achieve that sanskar, it wont be necessary in the Golden Age, there it will be your nature. But we have to practice here to come there.

[bansy]

Appreciate the replies, but I am more of asking about the mechanism of this awareness and experience.

I mean, when you go from body to soul, you lose all sense of everything, then what is the trigger to return to being in the body again when you have no feeling of any body organs, sound, smell etc of the elements ? i.e. how do you know you are bodiless ?

So you (the soul) detaches youself from your body, you may have even a feeling of "flying" (or whatever you wish to call this experience), but then you have thoughts that enable you to return to the body, i.e. your organs is still working since your mind is, and thus you are never actually really bodiless but only in a illusion of being in a "bodiless" scenario. Maybe this is why these NDE and out of body experiences from people who are in death critical situations have so much to give and learn from.

When you are practicing "bodiless", you are in a state of awareness ...is this not conflict ? If you are practicing this "bodiless stage" and I come with a knife and cut off your hand and legs (illustrative case ;) ) , would that be excellent proof of achieving a true "bodiless" stage ?

Where is the soul during the bodiless stage ?

I am sure there are many forum members who try to, trying to, or have tried to do the bodiless stage, so would like to hear from their practical experiences too.

[peterbindi]

Dear Bansy.

When i was in the bk,s i think i was one,s in the bodiless state in soul-consciousness and it feels super :D .
It is as if you are a totally star that,s only radiate energy of peace and power and love...endless radiation.
But in my case i was still able to feel the body on a very soft level.
And mabe you can say,the.. chance.. that happen from body-consciousness to soul-consciousness...that was happening in a second.
More often i feel my soul burning like this in the forehead,but not with this so open and clear consciousness.

And i am sure basy if you start cutting :D you fast experience a lot of pain.

peterbindi.

[arjun]

I mean, when you go from body to soul, you lose all sense of everything, then what is the trigger to return to being in the body again when you have no feeling of any body organs, sound, smell etc of the elements ? i.e. how do you know you are bodiless ?

ShivBaba (through Veerendra Dev Dixit) says that the trigger is a past karmic account, however small it may be.

[shivshankar]

1. I mean, when you go from body to soul, you lose all sense of everything, then what is the trigger to return to being in the body again when you have no feeling of any body organs, sound, smell etc of the elements ? i.e. how do you know you are bodiless ?

2.When you are practicing "bodiless", you are in a state of awareness ...is this not conflict ? If you are practicing this "bodiless stage" and I come with a knife and cut off your hand and legs (illustrative case ;) ) , would that be excellent proof of achieving a true "bodiless" stage ?

3.Where is the soul during the bodiless stage ?

Om Shanti.
3.Of course it is in the body. It is the matter of perception and level of your energy to fill yourself soul. Then you are practicing bodiless state the only thing you do is putting your mind energy into high chakras. All this visualisations and "travellings" to Paramdham is just an exercises, which helps us to get our spiritual energy and put it into two high chakras.

1. We can not fully describe the state of bodiless in words. One can only experience it himself, after some intensive practic of meditation. As for question. You don't loose control of material body while staying in a soul conscious state. You just realise yourself different from that body. The example with car and driver is the most common.

2. If you are completely detached from material body, then you won't experience pain if something damage it. If you will have that sate of mind in your last moment it means that you had passed the last exam. And it will help not to suffer in that moment. As for cutting off hands and legs, if you will be in true soul conscious, you will watch these scene (cutting off your hands and legs) and feel nothing except happiness and peace. Of course if you WILL be in that state of mind ;)

[jaycdp]

I think it is about being aware of being a soul (different from the body) for a second and then losing that awareness the next second. But we should endeavour to increase that practice progressively.

Dear Arjun Bhai,

Would you mind sharing your experience and progress in practicing Shiv Baba's spirituality?

Om Shanti
Jaycdp

[mbbhat]

I am seeing this topic just now. Sorry for late reply.

Bodiless stage has different levels. It is like a driver experiencing himself and/or car or both. If he can handle the car without any conflicts, it is number one (highest) level. If he can handle with minor conflicts, but without any accidents, it is number two level.

During bodiless stage, one can think of body of need not think of it. He may think only soul. Baba also says - sleep as bodiless stage (raath ko aatma ashareeri ban jaati hai = during the sleep, soul becomes bodiless) where soul does not think of either the body or the soul.

The point is- one should be at an elevated stage -without conflict or with minor conflicts. Like an aeroplane may be flying smoothly or with some minor jerks/oscillation, both are OK.

A driver feeds his car with fuel/petrol, but he does not drink it. In the same way, when one eats food to his stomach, if he (mentally) is above the pleasure of filling the stomach, it is bodiless stage. The driver notices the petrol tank getting filled gradually, but does not feel the taste of petrol, he may feel just smell of it. Similarly, the extent to which we feel the material while handling them is to be understood.

There is an 80/20 rule. What I feel is- if we feel the body to the extent of 20% and soul to the extent of 80%, we are almost perfect.

If we feel body less than 50%, and soul more than 50%, we are spiritually healthy even though not perfect.

While learning the driving of a car, initially the learner's effort may yield less or zero success (failure). But, after some repeated efforts, he succeeds at one particular attempt (result becomes positive non zero, but still low only), then again fails. After further practicing, the percentage of passing keeps on growing, still may oscillate. After further practicing, the +ve output increases and then he becomes matured, almost perfect.

For example, while learning cooking, in the initial efforts, a person's cooking may yield very good results accidentally at one or other of the several attempts, but consistency is attained after a lot of practice. Similarly, one may experience bodiless stage unexpectedly at some or other time/day in his spiritual life, But, naturally if he has to reach that stage, there is need of continuous practice for at few or at least couple of months.
Murli Point- Jab tak shuddh sankalpon kaa stock jamaa naheen hotaa tab tak bindu roop ki stage ho naheen sakti = Till stock of positive thoughts are not accumulated, seed stage cannot be attained.
So- the +ve thought should reach to the level of stock in the intellect.

There is also natural gravity due to which even after flying, a person comes down after sometimes if his effort is discontinued. Till his effort making practice reaches to the level SANSKAAR, he is affected from this natural gravity, and comes down after some time of this highest experience of bodiless stage. Once it reaches to the level of sanskaar, we may say the person reached to the state of SUPERCONDUCTIVITY (zero effort is needed to maintain the stage). One's own sanskaar is his natural gravity.

Further lot many highest, sweet and wonderful words can be written on this meditation/remembrance experience.

1)I mean, when you go from body to soul, you lose all sense of everything, then what is the trigger to return to being in the body again when you have no feeling of any body organs, sound, smell etc of the elements ? i.e. how do you know you are bodiless ?

1)As said above, the natural gravity brings down after some time.

So you (the soul) detaches yourself from your body, you may have even a feeling of "flying" (or whatever you wish to call this experience), but then you have thoughts that enable you to return to the body, i.e. your organs is still working since your mind is, and thus you are never actually really bodiless but only in a illusion of being in a "bodiless" scenario. Maybe this is why these NDE and out of body experiences from people who are in death critical situations have so much to give and learn from.

2)Bodiless stage need not mean 100% bodiless. There are different levels. For example, whether I am slave of organs (lowest level a body conscious stage, highly negative), or just influenced by organs (lower but not so bad , a body conscious stage and less negative), or conflict of +ve and -ve thoughts (both soul and body conscious stage will be active at the same time), or able to handle body smoothly (zero negative, but may not be divine, neutral stage = a vehicle on ground moving without any jerks), or feeling of spiritual light but still may have feeling of bodily organs but not influenced (good level of soul conscious stage= now it is aeroplane flying above ground level, but at low level = speed will be less), or very less influence of organs (aeroplane flying at high level = we feel the objects now small, similarly, feeling of organs will not be very less, highly +ve stage), or zero influence of organs (it is like rocket).

3)When you are practicing "bodiless", you are in a state of awareness ...is this not conflict ? If you are practicing this "bodiless stage" and I come with a knife and cut off your hand and legs (illustrative case ;) ) , would that be excellent proof of achieving a true "bodiless" stage ?

3)If there is no jerk or tension/stress or pulling effect in emotions, it is not conflict even if we think of organs. During bodiless stage even if cut of our hands or legs unknowingly or knowingly, pain will be lesser.

4)Where is the soul during the bodiless stage ?

4)Already explained above. There are different levels.
Success is known as journey as per worldly people. But, I would like to say- success is both journey and also goal. Feeling of Soul more than body (if feeling of soul is more than that of body) still it is bodiless stage.

A person flying in aeroplane sees objects below, that does not imply he is affected by the pressure, sound, temperature, smell at the ground level. So- even we can still be in perfect bodiless stage even while having awareness of organs.

But- one cannot reach to Godly level even after full practice. It is limitation of human soul.
Baba says- whatever effort you may put, you cannot become ocean. Even BVS have subtle bodies. So- I think bodiless stage of ShivBaba will be higher than even the top eight human souls. Baba says- even in Paramdham, the brightness of each soul is different (even if every soul is completely pure there without any negativity).
It is like lifting power of two perfect healthy person can be different.
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So- to realize this actually, one should not only realize the goal, but also the journey. That is by aim is both liberation (goal) and liberation in life (journey)