A new faction of BKs in Raipur, Chattisgarh???

[arjun]

Has a new group emerged among BKs based in Raipur, Chattisgarh in India with the followers of a BK sister claiming that ShivBaba and Brahma Baba are entering in her to give knowledge. But the strange thing is that the sister speaks in two voices. When one soul enters it speaks in the voice of Gulzar Dadi and when another soul enters it speaks in the voice of Janaki Dadi.

It is learnt that the BKWSU has disowned her and the BK sister claims in a video in her own voice that she is being threatened that she will face the same consequences as that of Baba Virendra Deo Dixit if she doesn't close her dhandha (literally means business, but is a slang used for prostitution in Hindi).

Youtube link to the BK group mentioned above:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4qVGBGuzyg

The BK sister speaking in Dadi Gulzar's voice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9uS-a2acAA

Any BK on this forum aware of this group or the official response of BKWSU to this group???

[mbbhat]

Dear soul brother/s,

Thank you for the information.

I have no idea about this. But, quite a year before, I had heard such a group had come in Solapur (a district in Maharashtra state of India). There, the rumour was - the BK group had claimed BapDada enters in a kumar (not sister).

I do not know whether this is part of the same.

Yet to know. Let us see. All these are just part of drama.

Mu Point:- Is rudr yagy may vighn toh aayenge = There will be obstacles in the Yagya.

An insight towards plus and minus points.

The minus points for BKs or BK Yagya is they need to face criticisms and a feeling of small loss of some BKs.

The plus points of these happenings are - Ego of few egoist BKs will be reduced and their insight will become broader (behadh - unlimited). These will also prepare BKs to face criticisms in future. Baba says- maan-apamaan, nindaa stuti, haani laabh - one should have same stage in praise-defame, loss-profit, ups and downs. So, this will help in making BKs more towards sakshi/detached stage.

And, this opens doors for more churning too.

Another plus point is - This will make/motivate many BKs to focus towards total inner effort rather than to highlight/attach to corporeal chariots - Either to photo of B Baba, or expecting for (so-called) Avyakt milan* [ = meeting of Avyakt BapDada* in Gulzar Dadi in Madhuban. ]

Because there can be Maya in vyakt milan, trance, etc. But, no Maya can intervene in Avyakt stage.

Another plus point is - Baba says - there is golden bondage in Conf. Age. So, all these or any corporeal influence, let it be Bk sisters or Seniors, or even limited service - will be reduced.

Baba says - Bhen - bhaay kaa daag bhee chootnaa hai = The flaw of sister and brother should aslo go. So- even the ego of sisters-in-charge may reduce.

Already corona lockdown has reduced some ego and golden bondage in BKs. Like attachment to sthool Bhog, Murli classes in sthool centres, bhatti in centers has reduced.
Previously, when Dadi Prakashmaniji left her body, many BKs had come to Mount Abu for the funeral. But, in case of Dadi Janakiji, all these were not present. So, influence of golden bondage reduced.

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* - Strictly speaking meeting of BapDada with/through Gulzar Dadiji is also vyakt/corporeal milan/meeting only. But, in BKWSU, this milan is called Avyakt milan, because it is referred to state of B Baba (the fixed Chariot), neither of ShivBaba (whose stage never changes) nor of Dadi Gulzar (obviously her stage is still dependent on vyakt - at least a few percentage, since she is in her vyakt and effort-making body.

So- the term "Avyakt milan" said in BKWSU is fully right, from the "fixed Chariot point of view", but when it is seen from the "effort-maker side", any milan/meeting through a corporeal body is vyakt milan only. And, meeting of ShivBaba and/or BapDada through Yaad/remembrance alone is Avyakt milan.

Another example - Title Yogeshwar can be used for both Shiv as well as Krishna. It can be meant/interpreted as one who teaches Yoga (means for Shiv) as well as one who learns Yoga from Shiv (for Krishna).

A similar thought on word title PATIT_PAVAN (IMPURE_PURE). A BK in his lecture, spoke - The word PATIT_PAVAN - if interpreted as one who transforms others from impurity to pure, it refers to Shiv/God.
But, if it is referred to as one who transforms himself from impurity to purity, it can refer to any human soul, soul of Krishna/Brahma being at the number one place.

[mbbhat]

Few points I found in this mimicry.

1) No ability to speak a Murli of 8 pages like that has happened through - happens through Dadi Gulzar.
2) No ability to sit on a guddi. She, even though physically young, took a chair. Most probably, has no ability to speak with self esteem.
3) Ability to give drushti while speaking Murli is not seen fully/properly.

But, challenge to BKs is mainly four.

- Ability to face criticisms, not influenced by such disservice.
- Ability to develop and maintain self esteem
- become rehemdil (Mu Point- Jab rehemdil banenge, toh dil par chadhenge).
- be ready to lose golden bondage. When nearly 80% of our own family members left Yagya during the so-called beggary part, faith of the rest did not get upset. So, this is nothing when compared to that incident.

[mbbhat]

viewtopic.php?f=41&t=2741&p=55815&sid=7 ... 9ad#p55815

Versions of Shiv Baba
02.07.2021

[ through Sister Devki – ‘Bharat Mata’, ‘Jagadamba’ - who gives birth to Shri Krishna - soul of Om Radhe, ‘Mateshwari’, Saraswati Mama (who had taken another birth in an affluent family, between 1965 and the present birth) – who first gives birth to Shri Krishna, and then takes her own birth after 2 to 3 years - and the sustenance of Shri Krishna takes place through another – (Yashoda) mother and father ]

Two doubts here are :
1) Year 2021 - 1965 = 56 years. But, this body/media does not seem to be so much old. Did Mama take birth later (not in 1965)?

2) viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=52674&hilit ... 3a2#p52674

Mu Point 29-1-76 (Pg 03) says - Krishna's father would be a King and impure/lowkik. That does not fit here.

I am not accusing. It is fine. In case anyone has points to clear on these, they are welcome.

3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDJxqSys5-4 - in this video, tears come from the medium, not just once, twice (one in the middle, and another one at the end - Time 54:45).
That is little bit surprising, because tears imply emotions, and God does not have emotions. [Or, did the media have any physical illness during that period?]

Good wishes (salutes) to all, even whether the above is true or just mimicry. Let us wait and see in drama.

[Zero Zero]

Two doubts here are :
1) Year 2021 - 1965 = 56 years. But, this body/media does not seem to be so much old. Did Mama take birth later (not in 1965)?

2) viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=52674&hilit ... 3a2#p52674

Mu Point 29-1-76 (Pg 03) says - Krishna's Father would be a King and impure/lowkik. That does not fit here.

I am not accusing. It is fine. In case anyone has points to clear on these, they are welcome.

3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDJxqSys5-4 - in this video, tears come from the medium, not just once, twice (one in the middle, and another one at the end - Time 54:45).
That is little bit surprising, because tears imply emotions, and God does not have emotions. [Or, did the media have any physical illness during that period?]

Good wishes (salutes) to all, even whether the above is true or just mimicry. Let us wait and see in drama.

1) It has been clearly mentioned in the relevant posts that Saraswati Mama had taken one more birth in an affluent family, between 1965 and the present birth, as Mother Devaki. This aspect has been amply clarified by Prajapita Brahma, or Brahma Baba, in his relevant Versions spoken through Mother Devaki.

2) It has also been mentioned that Mother Devaki gives birth to Shri Krishna, and then takes her own birth as Shri Radha 2 to 3 years later on, in a different royal family. Shri Krishna is sustained by queen Yashoda, and therefore his father would be a king, and their corporeal bodies would be relatively impure, until they too leave and take their own pure bodies, by the time the coronation of Radha and Krishna takes place, about 25 years after the birth of Shri Krishna.

3) Tears from the eyes, dribble from the nose, drip from the mouth, coughing, etc. were also observed in Dadi Gulzar when BapDada were speaking through her. All these are characteristics of the Chariot of BapDada, and NOT of BapDada!

Mimicking BapDada as two separate personalities, as practically seen in the various videos of Shiv Baba and Brahma Baba, with such depth of Knowledge, is considered to be beyond the capacity of any embodied human individual in a corporeal body.

[mbbhat]

3) Tears from the eyes, dribble from the nose, drip from the mouth, coughing, etc. were also observed in Dadi Gulzar when Bap-Dada were speaking through her. ..

4) The point was - whether these symptoms had been due to physical illness or emotions.
[Mostly, Dadi Gulzar's body had been in illness during that time. If you do not agree with this, you may put your points.]
I am not accusing, but leaving a room (or raising the point) for churning in this issue.

Mimicking Bap-Dada as two separate personalities, as practically seen in the various videos of Shiv Baba and Brahma Baba, with such depth of Knowledge, is considered to be beyond the capacity of any embodied human individual in a corporeal body.

5) Right point. But, still, there is room for comparison. Like Mr. Dixit God of PBKs is entirely dependent on BK Murlis, similarly, even here, she (the so-called new Chariot) is following the same/mimicry that was found in Dadi Gulzar.

When (in BKWSU) the Chariot got shifted from B Baba to Dadi Gulzar, the same behaviour did not repeat. But, here, the new Chariot behaviour was like most of copy-paste from Dadi Gulzar.

It has been clearly mentioned in the relevant posts that Saraswati Mama had taken one more birth in an affluent family, between 1965 and the present birth, as Mother Devaki. This aspect has been amply clarified by Prajapita Brahma, or Brahma Baba, in his relevant Versions spoken through Mother Devaki.

6) For what purpose that birth was - any idea? Was it posted elsewhere?

2) It has also been mentioned that Mother Devaki gives birth to Shri Krishna, and then takes her own birth as Shri Radha 2 to 3 years later on, in a different royal family. Shri Krishna is sustained by queen Yashoda, and therefore his Father would be a king, and their corporeal bodies would be relatively impure, until they too leave and take their own pure bodies, by the time the coronation of Radha and Krishna takes place, about 25 years after the birth of Shri Krishna.

7)Some BKs also had thought of such points many years before. Their claim was - "To give birth to number one human soul, Krishna, a great personality is required. So - it should/can be Mama."

But - again Murli point says- parents of Sri Krishna and Sri Radha are not famous, less educated. So - still there is room for discussion/churning.

Just by taking from Bhakti (path of worship) - that Krishna had two mothers - Devaki and Yashodha, and to claim one is highly educated (Devaki), and the other Yashoda as less - does not fit directly. Because in Bhakti, Radha is never shown married to Sri Krishna.
[Interestingly, in PBK theory, they are unable to express who is Jagadamba. They shifted their Jagadamba many times from one another. And - introduced many concepts like false and true human Gitas. Hence at present, they have many matas - Bharatmata, JagatMata - one totally different (sometimes against) from the other.]

8) Similarly, here more questions arise - who would be Father of Krishna (husband of Devaki)? Will that soul also highly educated like the so-called mother Devaki? - etc., etc. - still there is room for churning.
Again who will be husband of Yashodha?

9) Also - who will be parents of Sri Radha? Highly educated or less? Will she have two mothers (like those who claim for Sri Krishna?) or just one mother?
If anyone in gyaanmaarg (path of knowledge) claims Sri Krishna will have two parents (or at least two mothers), then the same thing will apply to Sri Radha as well (since there is just a difference of 2 to 3, or 5 years between them). Why not?

10) One point is - Do Sri Krishna and Sri Radha need parents till their coronation?
If we say - Sri Krishna and Sri Radha need parents till coronation, etc, Baba says - when Sri Krishna gets seated on throne, there will be no impure souls in the world. Even if we relax this, we may say - after coronation of Sri Krishna and Sri Radha, very shortly, their impure/lowkik parents will leave body. OK. But - it applies to Sri Radha as well. Can we ignore her situation? If yes, on what basis?

Presently, I do not feel possibility of two parents (or mothers) for Sri Krishna and Sri Radha. As soon as he reaches two digit age (beyond 10 years*), he will realize his status and will get seated at the right age. All the rest of the citizens will be younger to him when he gets seated on the throne. - as Murli point says - when Sri Krishna gets seated, no Iron Aged lowkik people will be present.
[But - still no one knows exactly, as Baba has not yet revealed these points. We can only churn]. But - if anyone claims like - this one is Devaki, etc., etc. - it opens room for so many discussions.

I am still repeating - this is not accusation. But, leaving/opening room for discussion.

* - Even in this world, we can get examples of many young children who had announced themselves as King at young age (their parents had died in their early childhood itself).

[Zero Zero]

Those who are still under the influence of body-consciousness will continue to be confounded with the characteristics of the body, and will therefore continue to indulge in endless conjectures – all of which are inconsequential to those whose sole aim is to develop soul-consciousness with an intense sense of urgency.

While those who have developed soul-consciousness, even to some degree, will be able to recognise the characteristics of the Supreme Soul easily and naturally, when He interacts with souls through ANY Chariot - as a consequence of which they will receive further assistance in reaching their final destination of becoming completely soul-conscious rapidly.

Eventually all concerned souls will definitely come to recognize and accept the current part of Supreme Soul Shiva, through His third and final Chariot!