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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A AV 12.04.1984, Revised 20.01.2019 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba, AFTER 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children - 1) who were PHYSICALLY present FACE to FACE with God, through the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar; and 2) who were SPIRITUALLY present FACE to FACE with God, through their own Divine Intellects, in their own 'Akari' stage.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
इस पवित्रता के फाउन्डेशन में बापदादा धर्मराज द्वारा 100 गुणा, पदमगुणा दण्ड दिलाता है। इसमें रियायत कभी नहीं हो सकती, इसमें रहमदिल नहीं बन सकते क्योंकि बाप से नाता तोड़ा, तब तो किसी के ऊपर प्रभावित हुए। परमात्म प्रभाव से निकल आत्माओं के प्रभाव में आना अर्थात् बाप को जाना नहीं, पहचाना नहीं।
“In this foundation of Purity, BapDada will give through Dharamraj one hundred-fold, multi-million-fold punishment. There cannot be any concessions made in this. He CANNOT be Merciful in this, for it was because you broke the (Spiritual) relationship with the (Incorporeal) Father that you became impressed with someone. To move away from God's influence and to be influenced by souls, means that You DO NOT know the (Incorporeal) Father, You have NOT ReCognised the (Incorporeal) Father (Shiva).

The Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, TREACHEROUSLY INDOCTRINATES, IMPRESSES & INFLUENCES the BLIND Unrighteous children, or FALSE Brahmins, with the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, ‘Shiv-Shankar-Bholenath’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – thus SURREPTITIOUSLY breaking their Spiritual relationship with Incorporeal God Father Shiva, and causing them to INADVERTENTLY move away from His Incorporeal influence – and, AFTER EXPOSING their intellects to the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge, they are simply UNABLE to Re-Cognize, REAL-EYEs or EXPERIENCE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, owing to their ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED, PERVERTED, INVERTED & DEGRADED STONE intellects!
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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 21.01.2019 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
बाप खुद कहते हैं, मैं जब आता हूँ तो किसको पता नहीं पड़ता क्योंकि मैं हूँ गुप्त। गर्भ में भी जब आत्मा प्रवेश करती है, तो प्रवेश होने का मालूम थोड़ेही पड़ता है। तिथि तारीख निकल न सके। जब गर्भ से बाहर निकलती है, तब वह तिथि तारीख निकलती है। तो बाबा की प्रवेशता की तिथि तारीख का भी पता नहीं लगता, कब प्रवेश किया, कब रथ में पधारे - कुछ पता नहीं पड़ता। कोई को देखते थे, तो वह नशे में चले जाते थे। समझा, कुछ प्रवेशता है, या कुछ ताकत आई है। ... इसको कहा जाता है गुप्त। तिथि तारीख कुछ नहीं!
The Father Himself says: No one knows when I come, because I am incognito. Even when a soul enters a womb, one does not know about the (time of) entry. There cannot be a time or date determined. The time and date are determined for the moment of coming out of the womb. Similarly, one cannot tell the time and date when Baba entered. One cannot know when He entered the Chariot (of Brahma Baba). When (Brahma) Baba used to look at someone, that one would become intoxicated. They would think that someone had entered, or that some power had come. ... That (occurrence) is called incognito; there is no time and date (for that).

There CANNOT be a time and date when Incorporeal God Father Shiva entered the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, since same was INCOGNITO!


इन सब बातों को तुम ही समझते हो, और सिमरण भी करते हो; और पढ़कर पढ़ाना भी है, टीचर बनना है। ज़रूर नॉलेज बुद्धि में है, तब पढ़कर टीचर बनते हैं। फिर टीचर से जो सीखकर होशियार होते हैं, तो गवर्मेन्ट उनको पास करती है। तुम भी टीचर हो। बाप ने तुमको टीचर बनाया है। एक टीचर क्या कर सकते हैं? तुम सब हो रूहानी टीचर। तो बुद्धि में नॉलेज होनी चाहिए। ज्ञान तो बिल्कुल एक्यूरेट है - मनुष्य से देवता बनने का। अभी जितना तुम बच्चे बाप को याद करते हो, तो लाइट आती रहती है।
“ONLY You understand all these aspects, and also churn them. You have to Study and also teach others, You have to become teachers. It is definitely because they have knowledge in their intellects, that they study and then become teachers. Then the government passes those who study with the teacher and become clever. (Similarly) You, too, are teachers; the Father has made You into teachers. What could the one Teacher do? All of You are Spiritual teachers. So, You should have this Knowledge in your intellects. The Knowledge of becoming a Deity from a human being is very accurate. The more You remember the Father now, the more Light You will continue to receive.”

Incorporeal God Father Shiva ALSO makes the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, into Spiritual teachers of the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita) - like Himself!


तुम बच्चों को कभी शास्त्रार्थ नहीं करना चाहिए। तुमको तो जाकर बाप का परिचय देना है। मुक्ति जीवनमुक्ति दाता एक है, उनकी महिमा करनी है। वह कहते हैं, अपने को आत्मा समझ, मुझे याद करो। बाकी ‘मनमनाभव’ का अर्थ यह नहीं है कि गंगा में जाकर स्नान करो। ‘मामेकम्’ का अर्थ है, मुझ एक को याद करो।
You Children should never try to be controversialists of the Scriptures. You have to go and give the Father’s introduction. The Bestower of Liberation and ‘Liberation-in-Life’ is ONE; You have to praise Him. He says: Consider yourself to be a soul and Remember Me. However, ‘Manmanabhav’ DOES NOT mean that You have to go and bathe in the Ganges. ‘Mamekam’ means: Remember Me, ALONE.”

‘Manmanabhav’ DOES NOT mean that one has to go and bathe their corporeal bodies in the river Ganges of water.

NEITHER does ‘Manmanabhav’ mean that the children have to go and ‘bathe’ their intellects in the FALSE ‘River Ganges’, in the form of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge – being the EXACT ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya!

‘Manmanabhav’ means, FIRST consider the Self as a soul - as a Point source of Spiritual Light Energy – and THEN have ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONE - ALSO as a POINT source of Spiritual Light Energy!
Like Father, like Son!
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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 22.01.2019 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
जैसे हमारी आत्मा तख्त पर बैठी है, वैसे बाबा भी इस तख्त पर बैठे हैं। बाबा कोई गीता शास्त्र आदि हाथ में नहीं लेते हैं। ऐसे भी नहीं इसने कोई कण्ठ किया हुआ है। वह तो सन्यासी आदि कण्ठ करते हैं। यह तो है ज्ञान का सागर। ब्रह्मा द्वारा सब राज़ समझाते हैं। शिवबाबा कभी कोई स्कूल में, सतसंग में, गया है क्या? बाप तो सब कुछ जानते ही हैं। कोई कहे भला साइंस जानते हैं? बाबा कहते हैं, साइंस से हमको क्या करना है? मुझे बुलाते ही हैं कि आकर पतितों को पावन बनाओ, इसमें साइंस क्यों सीखूंगा? कहेंगे शिवबाबा फलाना शास्त्र पढ़े हैं? अरे उनके लिए तो कहा जाता है, ज्ञान का सागर। यह तो भक्ति मार्ग के शास्त्र हैं।
“ Just as You souls are sitting on your thrones (in the center of the forehead), similarly, (Shiv)Baba is also sitting on THIS throne (in the center of the forehead, beside the soul of Brahma Baba). (Shiv)Baba DOES NOT take the Gita Scripture in the hands (He speaks the TRUE Gita from His intellect). It isn’t that THIS one (Brahma Baba) has learnt same by heart either. Those sannyasis, etc., learn (the FALSE Gita & FALSE Scriptures) by heart. This One (Shiva) is the ‘Ocean of Knowledge’. He explains to You ALL the secrets THROUGH Brahma (soul of DLR). Has ShivBaba ever gone to school, or spiritual gatherings? The Father knows everything. Some ask: Does He know any science? (Shiv)Baba says: What have I to do with science? They call out to Me to come and make the impure ones pure, so why would I learn science for that? They ask: Has ShivBaba studied such-and-such a Scripture? Oh, but it is said of Him that He is the ‘Ocean of Knowledge’. Those Scriptures belong to the ‘Path of Devotion’. ”

The Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God – has NO NEED to study science; or ANY of the FALSE Scriptures, or FALSE Gita, of the ‘Path of Devotion’ of the outer World of Ravan Rajya – (the EXACT ‘shooting’ of which takes place, more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age, in the form of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge)!

The Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, relates the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge, or TRUE Gita, DIRECTLY from His OWN Intellect - ONLY to the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, and ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba – and, therefore, He DOES NOT NEED to hold ANY FALSE Scripture, or FALSE Gita, in the corporeal hands of Brahma Baba, to relate the ‘satopradhan’ ESSENCE of same, in the form of the SMs, through the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, UNTIL 1969; NOR DOES He NEED to hold the SMs, or PREVIOUS AVs, in the corporeal hands of Dadi Gulzar, to relate the ESSENCE of the previous SMs or AVs, in the form of further AVs, through the subtle body of Brahma Baba, using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, AFTER 1969!


ब्रह्मा का साक्षात्कार भी घर बैठे बहुतों को होता है। कृष्ण का भी होता है। इसका अर्थ है, इस ब्रह्मा के पास जाओ, तो कृष्ण जैसा बन जायेंगे, वा कृष्ण की गोद में आ जायेंगे। वह सिर्फ प्रिन्स का साक्षात्कार होता है। अगर तुम अच्छी रीति पढ़ेंगे, तो यह बन सकते हो। यह है एम आबजेक्ट। सैम्पुल तो एक का बतायेंगे ना। उसको मॉडल कहते हैं। तुम जानते हो बाबा आया है सत्य नारायण की कथा सुनाने, नर से नारायण बनाने। पहले तो जरूर प्रिन्स बनेंगे।
“Many also have visions of Brahma, while sitting at home. They also have visions of Krishna. That means they are told to go to Brahma, so that they can become like Krishna, or they can go into the lap of Krishna. They just have a vision of a Prince. If You Study well, You can become that. That is your aim and objective. A sample would be shown of just one. That is called a model. You know that (Shiv)Baba has come to tell You the Story of TRUE Narayan, and to change You from an ordinary human into Narayan. First of all, you will definitely become a Prince.

Although the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, has come to tell the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, the Story of TRUE Narayan (‘Satya Narayan ki katha’), in order to change them from an ordinary human being into an ELEVATED Deity, like Narayan & Lakshmi (‘Nar se Narayan’ & ‘Nari se Lakshmi’) – STILL, FIRST of ALL, they have to become an ELEVATED Prince, or ELEVATED Princess, of Golden Age, BEFORE becoming an ELEVATED Deity of Golden Age, like Narayan & Lakshmi!


लौकिक सम्बन्ध में बच्ची शादी करके दूसरे घर में जाती है, उनको ‘कन्या दान’ कहा जाता है। दूसरे को देते हैं ना। अभी तो वह काम नहीं करना है। वहाँ स्वर्ग में भी कन्या दूसरे घर में जाती है, परन्तु पवित्र रहती है। यह है पतित दुनिया, और वह सतयुग है शिवालय, पावन दुनिया।
“In corporeal relationships (in this World), the daughter gets married and goes to another home. That is called ‘donating the kumari’ (‘kanya dan’). She is given to someone else. You don’t have to do that any more (in Confluence Age). There, in Heaven, too, a ‘kumari’ goes to another home, but she remains pure. This is the impure World; whereas, that Golden Age is the ‘Temple of Shiva’ (‘Shivalaya’), the Pure World.”

EVEN in RamRajya, a ‘kumari’ goes to ANOTHER home, BUT she remains pure; whereas, in Ravan Rajya, a ‘kumari’ ALSO goes to ANOTHER home, BUT she becomes impure!
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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 23.01.2019 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
एक बाप को ही याद करना है। वही ज्ञान का सागर है, प्रेम का सागर है। कहते हैं, एक ज्ञान की बूँद भी बस है। बाप कहते हैं, मीठे-मीठे बच्चे, रूहानी बाप को याद करो, तो तुमको यह वर्सा मिल जायेगा। अमरपुरी वैकुण्ठ में चले जायेंगे। बाकी इस समय जो सिर पर पापों का बोझ है वह उतारना है। कायदे प्रमाण, विवेक अनुसार तुम बच्चों को समझाया जाता है। जो ऊंच ते ऊंच थे वही फिर अन्त में नीचे तपस्या कर रहे हैं। राजयोग की तपस्या एक बाप ही सिखलाते हैं।
“You have to Remember ONLY ONE (Incorporeal) Father. He, ALONE, is the Ocean of Knowledge, and the Ocean of Love. It is said: Even JUST ONE drop of Knowledge is enough. The Father says: Sweetest Children, Remember the Spiritual Father, and You will receive your inheritance. You will then go to the ‘Land of Immortality’ (‘Amar Puri’), to Paradise. However, You now have to remove the burden of sin that is on your heads. Everything is explained to You Children systematically and logically. Those who were the highest of all are now doing tapasya down below, at the end. ONLY ONE (Incorporeal) Father TEACHES You the ‘tapasya’ of RajYog.”

Even JUST ONE drop of Knowledge is enough – ‘Manmanabhav’ – Remember ONLY ONE Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, ALONE - as a POINT source of Spiritual Light Energy – by FIRST considering the Self ALSO as a soul – also as a Point source of Spiritual Light Energy – and You will receive your Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of RamRajya, from Incorporeal God Father Shiva, in Confluence Age ITSELF, ONLY THROUGH Brahma Baba!


रावण क्या है, यह भी तुम जानते हो। यहाँ भी कोई बच्चे समझदार हैं, कोई बेसमझ हैं। ... मनुष्य तो हद की बातें सुनाते हैं। बाप तुम्हें बेहद की बातें सुनाते हैं। ... स्टूडेन्ट लाइफ इज़ दी बेस्ट। इस समय तुम्हारी बेस्ट लाइफ है, इसे कोई भी मनुष्य नहीं जानते। भगवान खुद आकर पढ़ाते हैं, यह है दी बेस्ट स्टूडेन्ट लाइफ।
“You also know what Ravan is. Here, too, some Children are sensible, and some are senseless. ... People tell you limited aspects; whereas, the (Incorporeal) Father tells You Unlimited aspects. ... Student life is the best. At this time your life is the best life. No human beings know this. God (‘Bhagwan’), Himself, comes and TEACHES You. This is the best Student life.”

The BLIND Unrighteous children, or FALSE Brahmins, are SENSELESS, since they allow themselves to be TREACHEROUSLY TRICKED into DELUSIVELY believing, that the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya - SURREPTITIOUSLY operating through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God, more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age – is, in FACT, Incorporeal God Father Shiva, Himself – owing to their ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED, PERVERTED, INVERTED & DEGRADED STONE intellects, AFTER EXPOSURE of their intellects to the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge!


यह सत्य नारायण की कथा, अमरकथा .. ; यह सब तुम्हारी है। एक ही बाप सत्य सुनाते हैं। बाकी सब है झूठ। ... भगवान बाप हमको पढ़ाते हैं। भगवान किसको पढ़ाते हैं क्या? तुम बच्चे जानते हो हमारी यह स्टूडेन्ट लाइफ दी बेस्ट है। हम नर से नारायण, विश्व के मालिक बनते हैं।
“The ‘Story of TRUE Narayan’ (‘Satya Narayan ki katha’), the ‘Story of Immortality’ (‘Amar katha’) ..; all of these Stories are yours. ONLY ONE (Incorporeal) Father tells You the Truth. All the rest are FALSE. ... God (‘Bhagwan’), the Father, is TEACHING You. Would God be teaching anyone? You Children know that this Student life of yours is the best. We are becoming (an ELEVATED Deity, like) Narayan from ordinary humans; we are becoming the Masters of the World.”

The Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or GodTEACHES the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge & Easy RajYog (TRUE Gita) – by telling them the ‘Story of TRUE Narayan’, ‘Story of Immortality’, etc. – through which they become ELEVATED Deities, who claim their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty, during RamRajya.

The Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya – CHEATS the BLIND Unrighteous children, or FALSE Brahmins, with the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge (‘shooting’ of the FALSE Gita) – by ACTUALLY telling them the ‘story of FALSE Narayan’, ‘story of mortality’, etc., by TREACHEROUSLY TRICKING them into DELUSIVELY believing same to be the ‘Story of TRUE Narayan’, ‘Story of Immortality’, etc. – through which they become DEGRADED Demons, who claim their ‘unlimited’ inheritance of sovereignty, during Ravan Rajya!


भक्ति मार्ग में कितने मन्दिर बनाये हैं, कितने चित्र आदि हैं, तब बाप कहते हैं, भक्ति मार्ग में तुमने सब पैसे आदि खत्म कर दिए हैं। अब यह सब खत्म होने वाले हैं, डूब जायेंगे। तुमको साक्षात्कार भी कराया था कि वहाँ कैसे जाकर खानियों से हीरे जवाहर ले आते हैं क्योंकि यह सब दब जाते हैं। बड़े-बड़े राजाओं के पास तहखाने (अन्डरग्राउन्ड) होते हैं। वह सब दब जायेंगे, फिर तुम्हारे कारीगर लोग जाकर ले आयेंगे। नहीं तो इतना सोना आदि कहाँ से आयेगा। स्वर्ग की सीन अजमेर में देखते हैं ना।
“They have made so many temples on the ‘Path of Devotion’, there are so many pictures, etc. This is why the Father says: You used up all of that wealth, etc., on the ‘Path of Devotion’. All of them are going to be destroyed, all will sink down. You also have been given visions of how You will bring diamonds and jewels from the mines there (in Golden Age), because they will all be buried (at this time). Great kings have underground bunkers (basements full of treasures, gold, etc.). All of them will be buried. Then, your craftsmen will bring them (from the mines, in Golden Age). Where else would all of the gold come from (in order to build palaces of gold in Golden Age)? You can see a model scene of Heaven in Ajmer.”

Self-explanatory.
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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 24.01.2019 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
तुम बच्चों को अभी ज्ञान का तीसरा नेत्र मिला है, जिससे तुम सृष्टि के आदि मध्य अन्त को जान गये हो। यह है ज्ञान की सैक्रीन। सैक्रीन की एक बूंद भी कितनी मीठी होती है। ज्ञान का भी एक ही अक्षर है ‘मन्मनाभव’। अपने को आत्मा समझ बाप को याद करो!
“You Children have NOW received the Third Eye of Knowledge, with which You have come to know the beginning, the middle and the end of the World. This is the saccharine of Knowledge. Even ONE drop of saccharine is so sweet. Knowledge also has just the one Word, ‘Manmanabhav’ – (which means) consider yourself to be a soul, and Remember the Father, (ALONE)!

View point 1 of Revised SM dated 23.01.2019, in preceding post of same date, in link -
http://www.bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f= ... 919#p53919


इस समय बाप भी सर्वशक्तिवान है; दिन-प्रतिदिन माया भी सर्वशक्तिवान-तमोप्रधान होती जाती है, इसलिए अब बाप कहते हैं, मीठे बच्चे, देही-अभिमानी बनो।
At this time, the (Incorporeal) Father is also the (‘Satopradhan’) Almighty Authority; day by day, Maya is also becoming a ‘tamopradhan’ almighty authority. This is why, the Father says: Sweet Children, now become soul-conscious.”

Just as the Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, is a ‘Satopradhan’ Almighty Authority, who operates ONLY through His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR in Confluence Age, and relates the TRUE Gita - so ALSO, the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, is an EQUALLY POWERFULtamopradhan’ almighty authority, which operates through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan - who MASQUERADES as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Shankar’, ‘Shiv-Shankar-Bholenath’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God – who is instrumental to carry out the EXACT ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Gita & FALSE Scriptures of the outer World of Ravan Rajya - and the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!

The MORE soul-conscious embodied souls become, the LESS is the NEGATIVE INFLUENCE of the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, on the intellects of such embodied souls!


बाप कहते हैं, बच्चे सर्विसएबुल बनो, फालो करो। मैं आया ही हूँ सर्विस के लिए, रोज़ सर्विस करता हूँ, इसलिए ही तो यह रथ लिया है। इनका रथ बीमार पड़ जाता है, तो मैं इनमें बैठ मुरली लिखता हूँ। मुख से तो बोल नहीं सकते, तो मैं लिख देता हूँ, ताकि बच्चों के लिए मुरली मिस न हो, तो मैं भी सर्विस पर हूँ ना? यह है रूहानी सर्विस। ... बाबा की बैठक यहाँ है। यह है अकाल तख्त, आत्मा अकालमूर्त है।
“The Father says: Children, become Serviceable and follow (the Father). I have come ONLY for the sake of Service. I do Service every day, which is why I have taken THIS Chariot (of Brahma Baba, or soul of DLR). When this one’s Chariot becomes ill, THEN I sit in this one, and write the Murli (Myself). I cannot speak through the Mouth (owing to the illness of Brahma Baba), and so I write it down, so that You Children do not miss a Murli. Therefore, I am also on Service, is it not? This is Spiritual Service. ... Baba sits here (middle of the forehead of Brahma Baba). This (forehead of Brahma Baba) is the immortal Throne (of Shiva). A soul is an immortal image.”

At certain times, during the early days,WHEN Brahma Baba was NOT ill, Incorporeal God Father Shiva used to speak the Murli through the Lotus Mouth of the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, himself, around 2 AM; and the soul of Brahma Baba, himself, would write same down with the hands of his own corporeal body; and THEN read same in Class, himself, around 7 AM – OR, would give same to one of the CLEVER instrument Sisters, and make her read same, by making her sit on his seat, while he sat down below - as a matter of practice and drill, for training purposes of the instrument Sisters!

At certain times, WHEN Brahma Baba was ILL, and Incorporeal God Father Shiva could NOT speak the Murli through the Lotus Mouth of the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, owing to his illness; THEN, Incorporeal God Father Shiva, Himself, would DIRECTLY write the Murli down, by using the hands of the corporeal body of Brahma Baba, DIRECTLY; which would LATER be read in Class, by ANY one of the previously trained instrument Sisters!

The Defamer Of God MANIPULATES such Murli points, to TREACHEROUSLY TRICK the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that in the early days, when he was the business partner of Brahma Baba, in his previous corporeal body, Incorporeal God Father Shiva used to speak the Murli through his mouth, and Brahma Baba would write same down, which would then be read by one of the instrument Sisters in the morning Class – which is a DOWNRIGHT LIE, meant SOLELY to DECEIVE the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that he is the ‘mukrar rath’ of God, when, in ACTUAL FACT, he is the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, who ONLY MASQUERADES as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God, and makes COMPLETE IDIOTS out of them – being instrumental to carry out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!
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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 25.01.2019 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
इतना सहज, भक्ति छूटती नहीं है, वह अपनी ओर खींचती है। यह भी ड्रामा में पार्ट है। सिवाए तुम ब्राह्मणों के और कोई नहीं जानते।
Devotion CANNOT be renounced so EASILY, because it PULLS one to itself. This too is part of Drama. No one else, APART FROM You Brahmins, knows this.”

ONLY the MOST ELEVATED Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, can ACCURATELY COMPREHEND, that, in Confluence Age, the EXACT ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Gita & FALSE Scriptures of the ‘Path of Devotion’, of the outer World of Ravan Rajya - in the form of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge – PULLS the BLIND Unrighteous children, or FALSE Brahmins, to itself, so POWERFULLY & ENCHANTINGLY, that they are simply UNABLE to renounce same EASILY & READILY – UNTIL they have COMPLETED the ‘shooting’ of same within their sanskars – ONLY AFTER which they would be in a position to ACCURATELY COMPREHEND the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge, or TRUE Gita, in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!


नई दुनिया कौन बनाता, और पुरानी दुनिया कौन बनाते हैं, यह सब तुम ही जानते हो।
ONLY You know all about who creates the New World, and who creates the old World.

ONLY the MOST ELEVATED Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, can ACCURATELY COMPREHEND, that, in Confluence Age, the New World of RamRajya is re-created by Incorporeal God Father Shiva, or REAL RAMA, ONLY THROUGH His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’ of Brahma Baba, or soul of DLR;
while, the old World of Ravan Rajya is re-created by the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya, or APPARENT ‘Rama’, through the the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Vishnu’, ‘Shankar’, ‘Shiv-Shankar-Bholenath’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God!
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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 26.01.2019 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
अभी सब पिछाड़ी के जन्म में आकर पहुँचे हैं। बाबा कहते हैं, तुम छोटे बड़े, सबकी वानप्रस्थ अवस्था है। मैं तुम सबको वापिस ले जाता हूँ। मुझे बुलाते ही हैं कि पतित दुनिया में आओ। ... गाया जाता है, ‘दु:ख हर्ता सुख कर्ता’, तो ज़रूर छी-छी पुरानी दुनिया, पुराने शरीर में आना पड़े। वह भी तमोप्रधान शरीर में। ... शिवबाबा हमारा ओबीडियन्ट सर्वेन्ट है। बड़े आदमी हमेशा चिट्ठी लिखते हैं, तो नीचे लिखते हैं, ‘ओबीडियन्ट सर्वेन्ट’। बाप भी कहते हैं, हम ‘ओबीडियन्ट सर्वेन्ट’ हैं, तो दादा भी कहते हैं हम ‘ओबीडियन्ट सर्वेन्ट’ हैं। हम फिर 5 हज़ार वर्ष के बाद, हर कल्प के पुरूषोत्तम संगमयुग में, आता हूँ। बच्चों की आकर सेवा करता हूँ।
“Everyone has now reached their last birth. Baba says: It is now the stage of retirement of ALL of You, young and old. I take all of You back Home. You call out to Me to come into the impure World. ... It is remembered that He is ‘the Remover of Sorrow and the Bestower of Happiness’. Therefore, He surely has to come into the dirty old World, in an old body; and, that too, in a ‘tamopradhan’ body. ... ShivBaba is our obedient Servant. When a prominent person signs his letters, he always writes below, ‘obedient servant’. The Father also says: I am your obedient Servant. Dada too says: I am an obedient servant. I will come again, at the most auspicious Confluence Age of every Cycle, after 5000 years. I come and serve You Children.”

In Confluence Age, ALL the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, are considered to be in their stage of retirement, REGARDLESS of their actual age of their corporeal bodies!

However, Incorporeal God Father Shiva enters the 84th, or last, impure corporeal body of Brahma Baba, as His ONE & ONLY ‘mukrar-rath’, in ‘Sakar’, when Brahma Baba is in his stage of retirement, WHEN he is 60 years old!


आत्मा तो अविनाशी है। कितनी ढेर आत्मायें होंगी । उनका कभी विनाश नहीं होता। इतनी करोड़ों आत्माओं को पहले तो वापिस जाना है। बाकी शरीर तो सबके खत्म हो जाते हैं, इसलिए होलिका भी मनाते हैं। ... जो योगयुक्त होंगे, श्रीमत पर चलने वाले होंगे, वह सब कुछ देखेंगे, कैसे अर्थक्वेक में सब खलास होता है। ... एक ही उछल समुद्र की आई तो सब खत्म हो जायेंगे। बहुत उपद्रव होंगे। करोड़ों मनुष्य मरेंगे। ... मनुष्य मरेंगे, तो जो योगयुक्त होंगे वह उस समय मौज में रहेंगे। ‘मिरूआ मौत मलूका शिकार’। ... बाप समझाते हैं - पिछाड़ी में सब फट से मर जाएं, कोई बच्चे आदि भी दु:खी न हों, इसलिए नैचुरल कैलेमिटीज़ से झट मरेंगे। यह सब बना बनाया ड्रामा है।
“Souls are imperishable. There are so many souls; they never perish. First of all, all the millions of souls have to return Home (back to the Soul World). All the bodies will be destroyed, and this is why people commemorate Holika. ... Those who are ‘yogyukt’, and follow Shrimat, will witness everything, how everything is destroyed in the earthquakes. ... With just one tidal wave of the ocean, everything will be destroyed. There will be many calamities. Millions of people will die. ... People will be dying; and those who are ‘yogyukt’ will remain joyful, at that time. It will be ‘happiness for the hunter, and death for the prey’. ... The Father explains: At the end, everyone will die instantaneously, so that not a single child has to suffer. Therefore, they will die instantly through natural calamities. All of this is a predestined Drama.”

Although the impure corporeal bodies will be destroyed, and souls will return Home, to the Soul World, after purification, at the time of FINAL World Transformation; some souls have to still remain back in their impure corporeal bodies, to be instruments to give birth to, and sustain, the pure souls who take pure corporeal bodies, who will be descending progressively from the Soul World, in the New World of RamRajya; and, simultaneously, the souls who remain back will also leave their impure corporeal bodies progressively, and take pure corporeal bodies. This process will continue from the date of the corporeal birth of the VERY FIRST Prince, Shri Krishna, of Golden Age - WHEN the Golden Age is deemed to commence - UNTIL Shri Radhe & Shri Krishna ascend the Throne, as the VERY FIRST, PRACTICAL World Sovereigns, Empress Shri Lakshmi & Emperor Shri Narayan - WHEN the Golden ERA is deemed to commence, about 21 to 25 years after the commencement of Golden Age!


बाप तो निराकार है। उनको अपना शरीर तो है नहीं। और आये भी हैं इनकी वानप्रस्थ अवस्था में, जब 60 वर्ष की आयु हुई। वानप्रस्थ अवस्था में ही गुरू किया जाता है। मैं तो हूँ सतगुरू, परन्तु गुप्त वेष में। वह हैं भक्ति के गुरू, मैं हूँ ज्ञान मार्ग का। प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा को देखो कितने ढेर बच्चे हैं। बुद्धि हद से निकल, बेहद में चली गई है।
The Father is Incorporeal. He does not have a body of His own. He has come in this one’s (Brahma Baba’s) stage of retirement, when he (soul of DLR) is 60 (sixty) years old. Gurus are only adopted in one’s stage of retirement. I am the Satguru, but I am incognito. They are gurus of (the Path of) Devotion; whereas, I am of the ‘Path of Knowledge’. Look, how PrajaPita Brahma has so many Children. Your intellects have left the limited (aspects), and gone into the Unlimited.”

The Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God enters the impure corporeal body of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev, WHEN he is in his stage of retirement, WHEN he is 60 years old!

Therefore, this CLEARLY implies, that the birth certificate of Brahma Baba, or soul of DLR, available in the public domain, indicates a FALSE date of birth - which was evidently manipulated, for required purposes, at a later time!

In this respect, also view the following earlier posts, in this topic, below:

Point 4 of Revised SM dated 06.11.2017, in post of same date, in link -
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2725&start=270#p53381
बाप कहते हैं, इनकी 60 वर्ष की आयु में, बहुत जन्मों के अन्त के अन्त में, जब इनकी वानप्रस्थ अवस्था हुई, तब मैंने प्रवेश किया, तब इसने भी सब कुछ छोड़ा। बाप के आने से सारी दुनिया के लिए वानप्रस्थ अवस्था हो जाती है क्योंकि सबको जाना है वापिस, इसलिए बाप कहते हैं मामेकम् याद करो।
The Father says: When this one was 60 years old, in the last of his many births, when it was his stage of retirement, I entered him, and that was when he renounced EVERYTHING. When the Father comes, it is the stage of retirement for the whole World, because everyone has to go back. This is why the Father says: Remember Me ALONE.”

Note that the words, ‘EEN’ & ‘EES’, in Hindi, which have been highlighted in bold, have the SAME connotation, in this PARTICULAR CONTEXT, and refer ONLY to the soul of DLR, or Brahma Baba – and to NO OTHER embodied soul, on this corporeal sphere!


Point 1 of Revised SM dated 09.01.2016, in post dated 10.01.16 , in link -
http://www.bk-pbk.info/viewtopic.php?f= ... =45#p50645
बाप बैठ समझाते हैं मामेकम् याद करो। मैं एवरप्योर हूँ। मैं कभी मनुष्य तन नहीं लेता हूँ। न दैवी तन, न मनुष्य तन लेता हूँ अर्थात् मैं जन्म-मरण में नहीं आता हूँ। सिर्फ तुम बच्चों को स्वर्ग की बादशाही देने लिए, जब यह 60 वर्ष की वानप्रस्थ अवस्था में होता है तब इनके तन में आता हूँ। यही पूरा सतोप्रधान से तमोप्रधान बना है।
“ The Father (ShivBaba, or God) sits and explains: Remember Me, ALONE (ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance). I am ever pure. I never take a human body. I neither take a body of a Deity, nor of a human; that is, I never enter the cycle of birth and death. I simply enter this one’s body, when he (Prajapita Brahma, Brahma Baba, DLR, Adi Dev, Adam, soul of the first prince of Golden Age) reaches 60, the age of retirement, to give You Children the Sovereignty of Heaven (Golden Age and Silver Age). It is this one (Prajapita Brahma, Brahma Baba, DLR, Adi Dev, Adam, soul of the first prince of the Golden Age) who has become ‘tamopradhan’ from being completely ‘satopradhan’.

Note that the words, ‘YEHA’ & ‘EEN’, in Hindi, which have been highlighted in bold, have the SAME connotation, in this PARTICULAR CONTEXT ONLY, and refer ONLY to the soul of DLR, or Brahma Baba – and to NO OTHER embodied soul, on this corporeal sphere!

Whereas, the Defamer Of God TREACHEROUSLY TRICKS the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that the Hindi words, ‘YEHA’ & ‘EES’; and ‘EEN’; DO NOT have the SAME connotation, and refer to DIFFERENT embodied souls – those of Brahma Baba & himself – to TREACHEROUSLY TRICK them into DELUSIVELY believing that he is the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God - when he is, ACTUALLY the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan - thus making COMPLETE IDIOTS out of them, owing to their ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED, PERVERTED, INVERTED & DEGRADED STONE intellects, AFTER EXPOSURE of their intellects to the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge!
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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A AV 15.04.1984, Revised 27.01.2019 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba, AFTER 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children - 1) who were PHYSICALLY present FACE to FACE with God, through the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar; and 2) who were SPIRITUALLY present FACE to FACE with God, through their own Divine Intellects, in their own 'Akari' stage.
The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
1. (सदा) यथार्थ स्नेही, अर्थात् बाप को यथार्थ रीति से जान, स्नेही बनना। ...
2. (सदा) सहयोगी (अर्थात्) - एक बाप दूसरा न कोई - ऐसे अपना बाप, अपना घर, अपना कार्य, श्रेष्ठ ईश्वरीय कार्य समझ, सहयोगी सदा के लिए बनना। ...
3. (सदा) शक्तिशाली (अर्थात्) आत्मा सदा अपने को सर्वशक्तिमान बाप के साथ, कम्बाइन्ड अनुभव करेगी, और सदा श्रीमत का हाथ छत्रछाया के रूप में अनुभव होगा।
1. “A TRULY (and CONSTANTLY) Loving soul means one who becomes Loving through knowing the (Incorporeal) Father ACCURATELY.”
2. “ (CONSTANTLY) Co-operative (means, being aware of) - ONE (Incorporeal) Father and NONE other - in this way, they consider this to be their Father, their Home, their Task, their elevated Godly Task, and are CONSTANTLY co-operative.”
3. “(CONSTANTLY) Powerful (means) souls would CONSTANTLY experience themselves to be COMBINED with the (Incorporeal) Father, the Almighty Authority, and also CONSTANTLY experience the Hand of Shrimat as a canopy of protection.”

An embodied soul can CONSTANTLY EXPERIENCE all above, with Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ONLY THROUGH the Third Eye of their Divine intellects – WITHOUT the CONSTANT need to EXPERIENCE same ONLY THROUGH the corporeal body of another embodied soul!


तो सभी ईस्टर्न ज़ोन वाले मास्टर ज्ञान सूर्य हैं। सदा अंधकार को मिटाने वाले, रोशनी देने वाले हैं ना! यह विशेषता है ना! ... ईस्टर्न ज़ोन की गद्दी है, बाप की गद्दी। तो राजगद्दी हो गई ना! ... तो सभी मास्टर ज्ञान सूर्य हो? ज्ञान सूर्य उदय भी वहीं से हुआ है ना? इस्ट से ही उदय हुआ। समझा - अपनी विशेषता! प्रवेशता की श्रेष्ठ गद्दी के अर्थात् वरदानी स्थान की श्रेष्ठ आत्मायें हो। यह विशेषता किसी और ज़ोन में नहीं है। ... क्या विशेषता करेंगे? सदा मास्टर ज्ञान सूर्य। सदा रोशनी देने वाले मास्टर दाता।
“So all those from the Eastern zone are ‘Master Sun of Knowledge’. You are those who constantly dispel Darkness and give Light, are You not? You have this speciality, do You not? ... The gaddi of the Eastern Zone is the gaddi of the Father. So that is the gaddi of the Kingdom, is it not? ... So, are all of You ‘Master Sun of Knowledge’? The ‘Sun of Knowledge’ (Shiva) also rose from there, did He not? He rose from the East. Do You understand your speciality? You are the elevated souls of the elevated gaddi of (Incorporeal ShivBaba’s) entry, that is, of the place of blessings. No other Zone has this speciality. ... What speciality will You bring? Constant ‘Master Sun of Knowledge’! You are Master bestowers who constantly give Light.”

The term, ‘Sun of Knowledge’, can pertain to ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONE – and to NO OTHER embodied soul on this corporeal sphere!
Any other embodied soul, who is very proficient in Knowledge can only be addressed as, ‘Master Sun of Knowledge’, number-wise; and NOT as, ‘Sun of Knowledge’!

This Version clarifies that Incorporeal God Father Shiva FIRST entered Brahma Baba, or soul of DLR, in Eastern Zone (Calcutta, or Kolkata)!


चुने हुए विशेष अव्यक्त महावाक्य - प्रीत बुद्धि विजयी रत्न बनो :
1. प्रीत बुद्धि वाले कभी श्रीमत के विपरीत, एक संकल्प भी नहीं उठा सकते। अगर श्रीमत के विपरीत संकल्प, वचन वा कर्म होता है, तो उसको प्रीत बुद्धि नहीं कहेंगे। ...
2. प्रीत बुद्धि अर्थात् सदा बापदादा को अपने सम्मुख अनुभव करने वाले। ऐसे सम्मुख रहने वाले कभी विमुख नहीं हो सकते। ...
3. प्रीत बुद्धि वालों के मुख से, उनके दिल से सदैव यही बोल निकलेंगे - तुम्हीं से खाऊं, तुम्हीं से बैठूँ, तुम्हीं से बोलूँ, तुम्हीं से सुनूँ, तुम्हीं से सर्व सम्बन्ध निभाऊं, तुम्हीं से सर्व प्राप्ति करूं।
4. अगर ज्ञान सूर्य बाप के सदा सम्मुख रहते हैं, अर्थात् सच्ची प्रीत बुद्धि है, तो ज्ञान सूर्य के सर्व गुणों की किरणें अपने में अनुभव करेंगे।
Selected special elevated VersionsBecome victorious jewels with Loving intellects :
1. “Those who have Loving intellects CANNOT have EVEN ONE thought that OPPOSES ‘Shrimat’. If one has ANY thoughts, words or deeds that are against ‘Shrimat’, one would NOT be said to have a Loving intellect.”
2. “A Loving intellect means to CONSTANTLY experience BapDada to be FACE to FACE with You. Those who (CONSTANTLY) remain FACE to FACE (with Baba), CANNOT turn their faces away (from Baba).”
3. “The words that always emerge from the hearts and lips of those who have Loving intellects are: I eat ONLY with You, I sit ONLY with You, I speak ONLY with You, I listen ONLY to You, I fulfill all my Relationships ONLY with You, I have all attainments ONLY from You.
4. “If You CONSTANTLY stay FACE to FACE with the (Incorporeal) Father, the ‘Sun of Knowledge’, that is, if You TRULY have a Loving intellect, then You will experience the Rays of ALL Virtues from the ‘Sun of Knowledge’, within You.

The Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, can CONSTANTLY EXPERIENCE all above, with Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ONLY THROUGH the Third Eye of their Divine intellects – and it is OBVIOUSLY NOT POSSIBLE to EXPERIENCE same CONSTANTLY, ONLY THROUGH the corporeal body of another embodied soul!

The BLIND Unrighteous children, or FALSE Brahmins, who DO NOT have Loving intellects for the Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, CONSTANTLY OPPOSE His Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita), or Pure Shrimat, by CONSTANTLY propagating the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge – (being the EXACT ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya) - thus carrying out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!
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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 28.01.2019 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
तुमको यह 84 जन्मों का पार्ट बजाना है। बाप बच्चों से ही बात करते हैं क्योंकि इन बातों को सिवाए तुम्हारे, और कोई जानते ही नहीं। ... बच्चे नम्बरवार पुरूषार्थ अनुसार अपनी कर्मातीत अवस्था को पाते हैं - कल्प पहले मुआफिक; फिर विनाश हो जायेगा। ... लड़ाई भी बहुत भयानक होती है। जो भी सामान उनके पास तैयार है, वह सब निकालेंगे। नैचुरल कैलेमिटीज़ भी मदद करेगी। उनके पहले कर्मातीत अवस्था को पाना है।
“You have to play your parts for 84 births. The (Incorporeal) Father ONLY speaks to You Children, because, apart from You Children, no one else knows these aspects. ... You Children will attain your ‘karmateet’ stage, number-wise, according to the effort You make, as You did in the previous Cycle; and THEN destruction will take place. ... The war will be very fearsome. They will bring out all the weapons they have prepared, and natural calamities will also help. You have to attain your ‘karmateet’ stage BEFORE that.

Incorporeal God Father Shiva speaks ONLY to the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, and ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba.

The Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, have to attain their ‘karmateet’ stage, number-wise, BEFORE the commencement of FINAL destruction, or World Transformation!


अब तुम बच्चे जानते हो हमको यह शरीर छोड़ अमरपुरी में जाना है। तुम्हारा नाम ही है ‘शक्ति दल’, ‘शिव शक्तियाँ’। फिर तुम प्रजापिता ब्रह्माकुमार और कुमारियाँ हो। शिव के तो बच्चे हो, फिर भाई बहन बनते हो। प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा द्वारा ही रचना रची जाती है। ब्रह्मा को ‘ग्रेट-ग्रेट ग्रैन्ड फादर’ कहते हैं। ... देह-धारी की महिमा नहीं गाई जाती है। विदेही ऊंचे ते ऊंचा भगवान है, वह कभी अपनी देह नहीं लेते। खुद ने बताया है कि मैं साधारण तन में प्रवेश करता हूँ। यह अपने जन्मों को नहीं जानते हैं।
“You Children NOW understand that You have to shed these bodies, and go to the ‘Land of Immortality’. Your name is ‘Shakti Army’, ‘Shiv Shaktis’. Then, You are also PrajaPita Brahma Kumars and Kumaris (BKs). You are the Children of Shiva anyway, and You then also become Brothers and Sisters. The creation is ONLY created through PrajaPita Brahma (soul of DLR). Brahma (soul of DLR) is called the ‘great-great-grandfather’. ... You do not sing praise of bodily beings. The Bodiless One is God (‘Bhagwan’), the Highest-on-High, who never takes a body of His own. He, Himself, has said, ‘I incarnate in an ORDINARY body’ (of the soul of DLR). THIS one (Brahma Baba) did not know his own births.

The official designation of PrajaPita Brahma Kumars and Kumaris is written as ‘BKs’, in short - which is meant ONLY for themselves, and they are FULLY AWARE that ONLY Brahma Baba, or soul of DLR, is their REAL PrajaPita!

The term, ‘Highest-on-High’ ‘Bhagwan’, pertains to ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONE – and CANNOT pertain to ANY embodied soul on this corporeal sphere!

The LAST, 84th, impure corporeal body of REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev is ORDINARY – as compared to his VERY FIRST, Pure corporeal body, in the VERY BEGINNING of Golden Age, which is ROYAL!
ONLY REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev is called the ‘great-great-grandfather’ of ENTIRE humanity, within this EWD Play!


तुम्हारा आपस में कितना लॅव होना चाहिए। सतयुग में जानवरों का भी आपस में लॅव है। तुम भाई-भाई हो, तो कितना लॅव होना चाहिए! परन्तु देह-अभिमान में आने से, एक दो से बहुत तंग हो जाते हैं। फिर एक दो की ग्लानि करते हैं। इस समय तो तुम बच्चों को आपस में बहुत क्षीरखण्ड होकर चलना है। इस समय जो तुम यह पुरूषार्थ करते हो - 21 जन्म क्षीरखण्ड होकर चलते हो। अगर कोई उल्टा अक्षर मुख से निकल जाए, तो फौरन कहना चाहिए, ‘आई एम सॉरी’, क्योंकि हमको बाबा का फरमान है कि बहुत मीठा होकर रहना है। जो फरमान नहीं मानेंगे, उनको कहा जायेगा ईश्वर का नाफरमानबरदार। कभी भी किसको दु:ख नहीं देना है।
You should have so much Love among yourselves. In the Golden Age, even animals love one another. You are (Spiritual) Brothers, and so how much (Spiritual) Love You should have (among yourselves)! However, because of being body-conscious, You become vexed with one another. You then defame one another. At this time, You Children have to live with one another, like ‘milk and sugar’. You make this effort at this time, and You then live like ‘milk and sugar’ for 21 births. If You speak any wrong words, You should instantly say, ‘I am sorry’, because we have Baba’s orders to remain very sweet. Those who do not obey (Baba’s) orders are said to be disobedient to God. You must never cause anyone sorrow.

Self-explanatory.
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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 29.01.2019 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
परमात्मा को जानते नहीं। अगर परमात्मा को जानें तो सब कुछ जान जायें। सिर्फ ‘परमात्मा’ कह देते हैं, परन्तु उनके जीवन का कुछ भी पता नहीं। तो नैनहीन हुए ना। तुमको अब ज्ञान का तीसरा नेत्र मिला है, इसलिए तुमको ‘त्रिनेत्री’ कहा जाता है। दुनिया में भल मनुष्य यह अक्षर कहते हैं ‘त्रिनेत्री’, ‘त्रिकालदर्शी’, ‘त्रिमूर्ति’ .., परन्तु अर्थ कुछ भी नहीं जानते!
“They DO NOT know the (Incorporeal) Supreme Soul. If they were to know Supreme Soul (Shiva), they would know everything (in the CORRECT PERSPECTIVE). They do speak of the ‘Supreme Soul’ (‘Paramatma’), but they DO NOT know His Life Story at all. So, they are BLIND, are they not? You have NOW received the Third Eye of Knowledge, which is why You are called ‘trinetri’. Although people in the world say the words, ‘trinetri’, ‘Trikaldarshi’, ‘Trimurti’, (‘trilokdarshi’) .., but they DO NOT know the meaning of them at all!”

The BLIND Unrighteous children, or FALSE Brahmins, DO NOT know, DO NOT Re-Cognize, DO NOT REAL-EYEs & DO NOT EXPERIENCE the Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, owing to their ADULTERATED, CORRUPTED, PERVERTED, INVERTED & DEGRADED STONE intellects, AFTER EXPOSURE of their intellects to the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge – through which they are THOROUGHLY INDOCTRINATED into DELUSIVELY believing that their bodily guru – (who is ACTUALLY the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God) – is the ‘Supreme Soul’ (‘Paramatma’) & ‘highest-on-high’ ‘Bhagwan’ – and they DO NOT believe that Incorporeal God Father Shiva can have a Life Story, or a Biography, since He DOES NOT come into this Cycle of birth and death – thus they become instrumental to carry out the CLEAR ‘shooting’ of HiranyaKashyap & Ravan Rajya – more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age!


बच्चों को याद की यात्रा में टाइम लगता है। बहुत हैं जो पूरा समझते ही नहीं। बिन्दी समझें, क्या समझें? अरे, जैसी आत्मा है, वैसे ही परमात्मा भी है! आत्मा को जानते हो ना, वह लक्की सितारा है। बिल्कुल सूक्ष्म है। इन ऑखों से नहीं देख सकते हैं। तो यह सब बातें बाप समझाते हैं। ...
बाप कहते हैं, ‘मनमनाभव’। अपने को आत्मा समझो। बाप है सर्वशक्तिमान्, उनको याद करने से, तुम्हारे पाप कट जायेंगे और फिर बैटरी भर जायेगी।
“It takes You Children time to stay on the pilgrimage of Remembrance. There are many who DO NOT understand COMPLETELY. Should they consider Him to be a POINT? What should they consider Him to be? Oh, as is a soul, so is the Supreme Soul. You know what a soul is. It is a lucky Star; it is extremely subtle. You cannot see it with these (corporeal) eyes. So, the Father explains all of these aspects. ... The Father says: Manmanabhav! Consider yourselves to be souls! The Father is the Almighty Authority. By remembering Him, your sins will be cut away and the battery (of the soul) will become full (fully charged).”

Just as an embodied soul is a Point source of Spiritual Light Energy, so TOO, the Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva, is ALSO a POINT source of Spiritual Light Energy!
Like Father, like Son!


पढ़ाई से तुम्हारी बुद्धि खुलती है। ... अभी तुमको ज्ञान का तीसरा नेत्र मिला है। ... बाप समझाते हैं - तुम अपने जन्मों को नहीं जानते हो। 84 का हिसाब-किताब भी इनको बताते हैं, जो पहले-पहले आते हैं। ... अब तुमको ऊंचे ते ऊंचा बाप पढ़ा रहे हैं, जिससे तुम ऊंचे से ऊंचा पद पा रहे हो।
“Your intellects open through this Study. ... You have NOW received the Third Eye of Knowledge. ... The Father explains: You do not know your own births. He also tells the account of 84 births to this one (Brahma Baba, or soul of DLR), who comes FIRST of ALL. ... NOW, the Highest-on-High Father is TEACHING You, through which You claim the highest-on-high status.”

REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev comes FIRST of ALL, by claiming the NUMBER ONE highest-on-high status, among ALL other embodied souls on this corporeal sphere – along with his Spiritual soul-mate or ‘yugal-dana’, Saraswati Mama or soul of Om Radhe!


वास्तव में यहाँ कोई आशीर्वाद आदि की बात नहीं है। जो ड्रामा में बना हुआ है वही होता है। ... नॉलेजफुल भी बाप है। मनुष्य समझते हैं, वह सबकी दिलों को जानते हैं। परन्तु हम जो करते हैं, उनका दण्ड तो जरूर हमको मिलेगा। बाप थोड़ेही बैठ दण्ड देंगे। यह ऑटोमेटिक बना बनाया ड्रामा है, जो चलता रहता है। इनके आदि-मध्य-अन्त का राज़ बाप ही समझाते हैं। तुम फिर औरों को समझाते हो।
In FACT, here, there is no question of receiving Blessings, etc. ONLY that which is fixed in Drama takes place. ... Only the Father is Knowledge-FULL. People think that He knows what is in the heart of everyone. However, we are the ones who would receive punishment for whatever we do. The Father would not sit and give punishment. This is an AUTOMATIC, predestined Drama which continues (eternally). ONLY the Father explains to You the secrets of its beginning, middle and end. You then explain same to others.”

NEITHER does Incorporeal God Father Shiva, NOR does ‘Dharamraj’, give any punishment to embodied souls – that is FIXED within this AUTOMATIC, predestined Drama, through an AUTOMATIC subtle Spiritual machinery!
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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 30.01.2019 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
बाबा कहते हैं, बच्चे, तुम ही सतोप्रधान थे, अब फिर बनना है। तुम ही आदि सनातन देवी देवता धर्म के थे, फिर 84 जन्म भोग कौड़ी मिसल बन पड़े हो। तुम हीरे मिसल थे, अब फिर बनना है। बाबा बहुत सिम्पुल बात सुनाते हैं कि अपने को आत्मा समझो। आत्माओं को ही वापिस जाना है, शरीर तो नहीं जायेगा। बाप के पास खुशी से जाना है। बाप जो श्रीमत देते हैं, उससे ही तुम श्रेष्ठ बनेंगे। पवित्र आत्मायें मूलवतन में जाकर फिर आयेंगी, तो नया शरीर लेंगी।
“Baba says: Children, You, yourselves, were ‘satopradhan’, and You now have to become that again. You, yourselves, belonged to the original eternal Deity religion; You then took 84 births, and have now become like shells. You were like Diamonds, and You have to become like that again. Baba tells You something very simple: Consider yourselves to be souls. ONLY souls have to go back Home, bodies will not go back. You have to go back with the Father in Happiness. ONLY by following the ‘Shrimat’ which the Father gives, will You become elevated. Pure souls will go to the incorporeal world and then, when they return, they will adopt new bodies.

ONLY when impure embodied souls FIRST become Pure, once again, can they return Home to the Soul World; and when they come back to this corporeal sphere again, they will adopt new, pure corporeal bodies, in the New World of RamRajya!


तुम तो अब पुरुषार्थ कर रहे हो नई दुनिया में जाने के लिए। जानते हो, वह है सुखधाम, वह है शान्तिधाम, यह है दु:खधाम। तुम अभी संगम पर हो, उत्तम पुरुष बनने के लिए पुरुषार्थ कर रहे हो। पुरुषार्थ बहुत अच्छी रीति करना है। पढ़ाई से कभी रूठना नहीं है। कोई से अनबनी होती है, तो पढ़ाई नहीं छोड़नी चाहिए। पढ़ाई से लड़ने झगड़ने का तैलुक नहीं है।
“You are now making effort to go to the New World. You know that that (RamRajya) is the ‘Land of Happiness’, the other (Soul World) is the ‘Land of Peace’; and this (Ravan Rajya) is the ‘Land of Sorrow’. You are now at the Confluence Age. You are making effort to become elevated human beings. You have to make effort very well. You must never sulk with the Study. If You do not get along with someone, You must not stop Studying. Fighting and quarreling have no connection with Studying.

There is NO QUESTION of fighting, quarreling, arguing, aggressively debating, or heatedly discussing, with ANYONE, when one is conveying the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita) to others, after Studying same!


दैवी गुण धारण करने हैं। गृहस्थ व्यवहार में भी रहना है। घर में भी सर्विस कर सकते हो। ... घर का सन्यास तो नहीं करना है। ... ऐसे बहुत हैं जो घर में रहकर भी सर्विस करते हैं, तो होशियार हो जाते हैं। बाप मुख्य बात समझाते हैं कि अपने को आत्मा समझो, और मुझ बाप को याद करो। अपनी उन्नति करनी है। घर में रहने वालों की यहाँ रहने वालों से भी अच्छी उन्नति हो सकती है। ... ज्ञान और योग पूरा है, तो कोई भी बेइज्जती नहीं कर सकते। योग नहीं है तो माया भी थप्पड़ लगाती है। तो घर गृहस्थ में रह, कमल फूल समान पवित्र जरूर बनना है।
“You have to imbibe Divine virtues, while also living within the house-hold. You can do Service at home also. ... You do not have to renounce your home (and family). ... There are many who live at home and do (Spiritual) Service, and become very clever. The Father explains the main aspect: Consider yourself to be a soul, and Remember Me, your Father (‘Manmanabhav’). You have to benefit yourself. Those who live at home can make even better progress than those who live here (at Madhuban, or at the Centers). ... If you have good Knowledge and Yoga, no one can be disrespectful to You. If there isn’t Yoga, then Maya also slaps You. So, You have to live within the house-hold, and definitely become as pure as a lotus.”

Self-explanatory.
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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 31.01.2019 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
कोई तो ड्रामा अनुसार कुछ भी धारण नहीं कर सकते हैं! बाप समझाते हैं, ज़रूर उनका पद कम होगा। यह कोई श्राप नहीं है। माला तो महावीरों की बनती है। ड्रामा अनुसार सभी एक जैसा पुरुषार्थ तो कर नहीं सकते। आगे भी नहीं किया होगा। कहेंगे, फिर हमारा क्या दोष है? बाप भी कहते हैं, तुम्हारा कोई दोष नहीं। तकदीर में नहीं है, तो बाप क्या कर सकते? समझ सकते हैं, कौन-कौन किस पद के लायक हैं।
According to Drama, some are NOT ABLE to imbibe any of this AT ALL! The Father explains that their status would definitely be low. This is not a curse. The Rosary is created of those who are ‘Mahavirs’ (great, brave, victorious warriors). According to Drama, NOT EVERYONE can make the SAME effort. Even previously (previous Cycle), they would not have made (effort). They would say: What is our fault? The Father also says: It is NOT your fault. What can the Father do if it is not in your fortune? He understands what status each and every one is worthy of receiving.”

It is NOT ANYONE’s fault if they are NOT ABLE to imbibe ANY of the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge, in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE. According to Drama, NOT EVERYONE can have the SAME status, and therefore, they CANNOT make the SAME effort, or have the SAME COMPREHENSION of the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge, in the CORRECT PERSPECTIVE!


सद्गति देने वाला गुरू एक है। भक्ति सिखलाने वाले तो ढेर गुरू चाहिए। ज्ञान सिखलाने वाला एक बाप है। तो तुम मातायें उनको समझाओ कि यह कंगन तुम जो पहनते हो, ये भी पवित्रता की निशानी है। तुम्हारा वह मान लेंगे क्योंकि तुम मातायें ही स्वर्ग का द्वार खोलने वाली हो। तुम माताओं को अभी ज्ञान का कलष मिला है, जिससे सबकी सद्गति हो जाती है। तुम बच्चे अभी अपने को महावीर कहलाते हो। तुम कह सकते हो, हम गृहस्थ व्यवहार में रह स्वर्ग की स्थापना कर रहे हैं।
“There is only ONE (Incorporeal) Guru who grants Salvation. Many (corporeal) gurus are needed to teach Devotion. There is ONLY ONE (Incorporeal) Father, who teaches Knowledge. You Mothers can explain to them that the bracelet which You wear is also a symbol of Purity. They will believe You (Mothers), because ONLY You Mothers are the ones who will open the ‘Gate to Heaven’ (‘Swarg ka Dwar’). You Mothers have now received the ‘Urn of Knowledge’, through which everyone receives Salvation. You Children now call yourselves ‘Mahavirs’. You can tell them: We are establishing the Golden Age, while living within the house-hold (with our families).”

Everyone will receive Salvation through the MOST ELEVATED Righteous Mothers, who have received the ‘Urn of Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge’, and imbibed same, and who are instrumental to open the ‘Gate to Heaven’, or the ‘Gate to Paradise’!
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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 01.02.2019 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
बाबा में भी मस्ती है ना - हम यह कलंगीधर जाकर बनेंगे, फ़कीर से अमीर बनेंगे। अन्दर में मस्ती चढ़ी हुई है, इसलिए ‘मस्त कलंधर’ कहते हैं। इनका तो साक्षात्कार भी करते हैं। तो जैसे इनको मस्ती चढ़ी हुई है, तुमको भी चढ़नी चाहिए। तुम भी रूद्र माला में पिरोने वाले हो। जिनको पक्का निश्चय हो जाता है, उनको नशा चढ़ेगा। हम आत्माओं को अब जाना है घर। फिर नई दुनिया में आयेंगे। इस निश्चय से जो इनको भी देखते हैं, तो उनको बच्चा (श्री कृष्ण) देखने में आता है। कितना शोभनिक है। कृष्ण तो यहाँ है नहीं। उनके पिछाड़ी कितने हैरान होते हैं। झूले बनाते, उनको दूध पिलाते हैं। वह हैं जड़ चित्र, यह तो रीयल है ना। इनको भी यह निश्चय है कि हम बालक बनेंगे।
“(Brahma) Baba also has the intoxication: ‘I will go and become ‘Kalangidhar’ (one with a peacock feather, after being defamed); I will become wealthy from being poor’. Internally, he has that intoxication, and this is why he (Brahma Baba) is called ‘Mast Kalandhar’ (intoxicated Sovereign). You also have visions of this one (Brahma Baba). So, just as this one (Brahma Baba) is intoxicated, You too should be intoxicated. You too are going to be threaded in the ‘Rosary of Rudra’. Those who have firm faith would be intoxicated. We souls now have to return Home. Then we will come into the New World. Those who also look at this one (Brahma Baba) with this faith, would be able to see the Child (Shri Krishnain Brahma Baba). He (Krishna) is so beautiful. Krishna is not here (in Confluence Age, in his Pure corporeal body). So many crave after him (to have his vision). They make swings and feed him milk. Those are non-living images; whereas, this is real. This one (Brahma Baba) also has the faith that he will become a Child (Shri Krishnaonce again, in the beginning of Golden Age).”

REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev is the NUMBER ONE ‘Kalangidhar’ - who is called ‘Mast Kalandhar’, and who gets threaded in the ‘Rosary of Rudra’ – among ALL other embodied souls, on this corporeal sphere, within this EWD Play!


हीरे जैसा तुम बनते हो। तुमको शिवबाबा हीरे जैसा बनाते हैं, इसलिए बलिहारी उनकी है। मनुष्य न समझने कारण ‘जादू-जादू’ कह देते हैं। जो आश्चर्यवत् भागन्ती हो जाते हैं, वह जाकर उल्टा-सुल्टा सुनाते हैं। ऐसे बहुत ट्रेटर बन जाते हैं। ऐसे ट्रेटर बनने वाले ऊंच पद पा नहीं सकते। उनको कहा जाता है, ‘गुरू का निन्दक ठौर न पाये’। यहाँ तो सत्य बाप है ना।
“You are becoming like diamonds. ShivBaba is making You become like diamonds, and that is why He is great. Because of not understanding, people say that this is magic. Those who astonishingly run away (after hearing the Knowledge), go and relate topsy-turvy aspects (in the form of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge). Many become TRAITORS in this way. Those who become such traitors cannot claim a high status. They are called: ‘Those who defame the Satguru cannot reach their (TRUE) destination’. Here, You have the TRUE (Incorporeal) Father (Shiva).”

The BLIND Unrighteous children, or FALSE Brahmins, who DO NOT COMPREHEND the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge (TRUE Gita) in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE, go away and relate topsy-turvy aspects, in the form of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge – (being the EXACT ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya) – and become Spiritual TRAITORS, in this manner - due to which they CANNOT claim a high status in RamRajya, and are called, ‘those who defame the Satguru cannot reach their (TRUE) destination’, since they are UNABLE to claim the Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty in RamRajya – although they do claim the ‘unlimited’ inheritance of sovereignty in Ravan Rajya, number-wise!


ऊंचे ते ऊंचा एक भगवान् ही है। बाकी तो सब पुनर्जन्म लेते रहते हैं। ऊंचे ते ऊंचा बाप ही सबको मुक्ति-जीवनमुक्ति देते हैं। वह न आते, तो और ही ‘वर्थ नाट ए पेनी’ तमोप्रधान बन पड़ते।
ONLY ONE God (‘Bhagwan’) is the Highest-on-High. All the rest continue to take rebirth. ONLY the Highest-on-High Father grants Liberation and Liberation-in-Life to everyone. If He did not come, people would become even more ‘worth not a penny’, and ‘tamopradhan’. ”

ONLY ONE Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God can be called Highest-on-High ‘Bhagwan’ – NO embodied soul can be called ‘highest-on-high’ ‘Bhagwan’ – they can be called ‘Master bhagwan’, or ‘Master god’!


रूह है ज्ञान का सागर। मनुष्य कभी ‘ज्ञान का सागर’ नहीं हो सकते। मनुष्य हैं ‘भक्ति के सागर’। हैं तो सभी मनुष्य। जो ब्राह्मण बनते हैं, वह ज्ञान सागर से ज्ञान लेकर ‘मास्टर ज्ञान सागर’ बन जाते हैं। ...
वह हैं ‘भक्ति के सागर’। वही नशा चढ़ा हुआ है। तुम हो ज्ञान सागर। वह तो शास्त्रों को ही ज्ञान समझते हैं। बाप कहते हैं, शास्त्रों में है भक्ति की रस्म रिवाज। जितनी तुम्हारे में ज्ञान की त़ाकत भरती जायेगी, तो तुम चुम्बक बन जायेंगे। तो फिर सबको कशिश होगी। अभी नहीं है। फिर भी यथा योग, यथा शक्ति, जितना बाप को याद करते हैं। ऐसे नहीं, सदैव बाप को याद करते हैं। फिर तो यह शरीर भी न रहे।
“The (Supreme) Spirit (Shiva) is the Ocean of Knowledge. Human beings can never be ‘Ocean of Knowledge’. Human beings are ‘oceans of Devotion’. All are human beings. Those who become Brahmins take Knowledge from the Ocean of Knowledge (Shiva) and become ‘Master oceans of Knowledge’. ...
They are ‘oceans of Devotion’, and just have that intoxication. You are ‘(Master) ocean of Knowledge’. Those people consider only the Scriptures to be Knowledge. The Father says: The Scriptures have the customs and systems of Devotion. The more You are filled with ‘Power of Knowledge’, the more of a (Spiritual) ‘magnet’ You will become. Then, everyone will be pulled; they are not pulled now. Nevertheless, it depends on how much You Remember the Father, according to your Yoga and (Spiritual) Power. It isn’t that You Remember the Father all the time, because your (impure corporeal) bodies would not then remain.”

Embodied souls CANNOT be called ‘Ocean of Knowledge’ – they can be called ‘Master ocean of Knowledge’.

The BLIND devotees of the outer World of Ravan Rajya consider the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita, to be Knowledge.
SIMILARLY, in Confluence Age, the BLIND Unrighteous children, or FALSE Brahmins, consider the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge – (being the EXACT ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya) – to be the ‘unlimited clarifications’ of the Pure UNADULTERATED Knowledge, in the SMs & AVs – but they are ACTUALLY the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED ‘unlimited clarifications’ of same – which have been CRAFTILY MANIPULATED to be in ACCURATE CONSONANCE with the DISTORTED & PERVERTED CONCEPTS of ‘Rajopradhan & Tamopradhan Bhakti’ of the outer World of Ravan Rajya!


84 जन्मों के सारे सृष्टि के चक्र के आदि-मध्य-अन्त का ज्ञान तुमको मिला है। फिर तुम्हारे में भी नम्बरवार हैं। कोई बहुत मार्क्स से पास होते हैं, कोई कम। सौ मार्क्स तो किसी की होती नहीं। 100 हैं ही एक बाप की। वह तो कोई बन न सके। थोड़ा-थोड़ा फ़र्क पड़ जाता है। एक जैसे भी बन न सकें। कितने ढेर मनुष्य हैं, सबके फीचर्स अपने-अपने हैं। आत्मायें सभी कितनी छोटी बिन्दू हैं। मनुष्य कितने बड़े-बड़े हैं, परन्तु फीचर्स एक के न मिलें दूसरे से।
“You have now received the Knowledge of your 84 births and the beginning, middle and end of the whole World Cycle. You too are number-wise. Some pass with many marks, and some with few marks. No one else can have 100 marks. Only the ONE Father (Shiva) has 100 marks. No one can become like that. There is a slight difference (between everyone). Not all can become the same. There are so many human beings, and each one of them have their own individual features. All souls are such tiny Points. (The corporeal bodies of) People are so big, and yet no two people’s features are the same.”

NO embodied soul can be EXACTLY like Incorporeal God Father Shiva; and NOT EVERYONE can become the SAME, and have the SAME Spiritual status, among the embodied souls; and therefore, NO TWO embodied souls can have the SAME physical features!

EVEN among the TWO highest embodied souls, within this EWD Play – Brahma Baba & Saraswati Mama – who are Spiritual soul-mates or ‘yugal-dana’ - there would be a very slight difference, which would not be readily perceptible to the corporeal eye, and they would APPEAR like TWINS!
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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 02.02.2019 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
अपने को आत्मा समझ बाप को याद करते रहें, इसमें ही मेहनत है। बाप वारनिंग देते हैं! ऐसे मत समझो कि हम तो बहुत अच्छा ‘कनविन्स’ कर सकते हैं। परन्तु इससे फायदा क्या? चलो, स्वदर्शन चक्रधारी बन गये, परन्तु इसमें तो विदेही बनना है। कर्म करते, अपने को आत्मा समझना है। आत्मा इस शरीर द्वारा कर्तव्य करती है - यह याद करना भी नहीं आता, ख्याल में नहीं आता, उनको कहेंगे बुद्धू। बाप को याद नहीं कर सकते! सर्विस करने की त़ाकत नहीं। याद बिगर आत्मा में त़ाकत कहाँ से आयेगी? बैटरी कैसे भरे? चलते-चलते खड़ी हो जायेगी, त़ाकत नहीं रहेगी।
It requires effort to consider yourself to be a soul, and to CONTINUE to Remember the Father. The Father gives You a warning! Do not think that You can convince others very well. What is the benefit of that? OK, You have become spinners of the discus of Self-Realisation; but here, You have to become bodiless. You have to consider yourself to be a soul, while performing actions. The soul carries out functions through this body. Those who DO NOT know how to EVEN remember this, or are NOT aware of same, are called FOOLS (‘buddhus’). You are UNABLE to Remember the Father! You do not have the strength to do (Spiritual) Service. How can a soul receive strength without having Remembrance? How can the battery (of the soul) become full? While moving along, that will come to a standstill; there will be no power.”

It is not good enough to just have Knowledge, and be able to even convince others. One has to FIRST consider the Self as a soul - as a Point source of Spiritual Light Energy - while performing actions; and THEN, CONTINUE to Remember ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONE - ALSO as a POINT source of Spiritual Light Energy – so that the battery of the soul can CONTINUE to become full, the soul can CONTINUE to become Pure from being impure, and the soul can CONTINUE to gain Spiritual strength, and CONTINUE to do Spiritual Service to accomplish the Spiritual tasks of World Purification & World Transformation!


कहा जाता है, ‘रिलीज़न इज़ माइट’। आत्मा स्वधर्म में टिके, तब त़ाकत मिले। बहुत हैं जिनको बाप को याद करना आता नहीं। शक्ल से पता पड़ जाता है। और सब याद आयेगा, बाबा की याद ठहरेगी नहीं। योग से ही बल मिलेगा। याद से बड़ी खुशी और तन्दुरूस्ती रहेगी। फिर दूसरे जन्म में भी शरीर ऐसा तेजस्वी मिलेगा। आत्मा प्योर तो शरीर भी प्योर मिलेगा। ... जब सतोप्रधान बन जायेंगे तब यह शरीर छोड़ देंगे, इसलिए जितना हो सके पुरुषार्थ को बढ़ाना है।
“It is said that ‘Religion is Might’. Only when a soul remains stable in the original religion (of soul-consciousness) can the soul receive strength. There are many who DO NOT know HOW to Remember the Father. You can tell this from their appearance. They would remember everyone (and everything) else, but would be UNABLE to have Remembrance of the Father. Only by having Yoga will You receive Power. Only by having Remembrance will there be a lot of Happiness and Health. Then, in your next birth, You will also receive such majestic bodies (like Lakshmi & Narayan). When You souls become Pure, THEN You will also receive Pure bodies. ... When You become ‘satopradhan’ (COMPLETELY Pure), You will leave this (impure) body. Therefore, increase your efforts, as much as possible.”

ONLY when an embodied soul becomes ‘satopradhan’ (COMPLETELY Pure), once again, through ACCURATE & UNADULTERATED Remembrance of ONLY ONE Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ALONE, in Confluence Age, will the soul leave the current impure corporeal body, and THEN take a NEW majestic and Royal Pure corporeal body, in Golden Age!


तुम बच्चे बाप द्वारा ड्रामा के आदि-मध्य-अन्त को जान गये हो। रचयिता द्वारा रचना की नॉलेज मिलती है। रचयिता ही आकर अपना और रचना का राज़ समझाते हैं। यह उनका रथ है, जिसमें प्रवेश कर आये हैं। कहेंगे, तब तो दो आत्मायें हैं।
“You Children have come to know the beginning, the middle and the end of the Drama from the Father. You receive the Knowledge of creation from the (Incorporeal) Creator. ONLY the Creator comes and explains the secrets of Himself and His creation. THIS (soul of DLR) is His Chariot, which He has entered, and come here. It would, therefore, be said that there are two souls (within the corporeal body of Brahma Baba).”

ONLY REAL PrajaPita Brahma, Brahma Baba or soul of DLR, who is ALSO REAL Adi Dev is the REAL, ORIGINAL, ETERNAL, APPOINTED Chariot of the Unlimited ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father, Incorporeal Supreme Soul, REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, till the end of Confluence Age!
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PBKSGWU-H / PBKRIVV-A SM, Revised 04.02.2019 wrote: Versions spoken by God, through the LOTUS Mouth of Brahma Baba, prior 1969DIRECTLY ADDRESSING the CONCERNED Righteous Children, who were physically present FACE to FACE with God. The Unlimited Father speaks of Unlimited matters to the Unlimited Children!
उस जिस्मानी पढ़ाई से भी यह ईश्वरीय पढ़ाई बिल्कुल सहज है। ... सतोप्रधान बनने के लिए बहुत मेहनत करनी है। इसमें अन्तर्मुखी हो विचार सागर मंथन करना है।
“ This Godly Study is absolutely easy, compared to that Worldly study. ... We have to make a lot of effort to become ‘satopradhan’. You have to become introverted and churn the ‘Ocean of Knowledge’. ”

Godly Study is very easy, but one has to make a LOT of Spiritual effort to become ‘satopradhan’, once again, from being ‘tamopradhan’!


अब तुमको एकदम ज्ञान का तन्त (सार) मिला है। शुरू में तो पुराना ही ज्ञान था। धीरे-धीरे तुम समझते ही आये हो। अभी समझते हैं, ज्ञान तो सचमुच अभी हमको मिलता है। बाप भी कहते हैं, आज मैं तुमको गुह्य-गुह्य बातें सुनाता हूँ।
“You have NOW received the very ESSENCE of Knowledge. At the beginning, there was only old Knowledge. Gradually, You continued to understand. You NOW understand that it is only NOW that You TRULY receive Knowledge. The Father also says: Today, I am telling You the subtlest aspects of all.”

The very ESSENCE of Knowledge is contained ONLY in the SMs, spoken by Incorporeal God Father Shiva, ONLY through the Lotus Mouth of Brahma Baba, from 1963-4 to 1968-9, and REVISED thereafter, over a period of about every five years! The AVs are spoken by Incorporeal God Father Shiva, through the subtle body of Brahma Baba, using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, from 1969 onward, to enable the old, as well as the new, Spiritual aspirants to readily imbibe and inculcate the ESSENCE of Knowledge contained in the SMs, spoken earlier, prior 1969!


अभी तुम सतयुग से भी जास्ती वैल्युबुल हो। बाप जो ज्ञान का सागर है, वह सारा ज्ञान अभी देते हैं। और कोई भी मनुष्य ज्ञान और भक्ति को समझ न सकें। मिक्स कर दिया है। समझते हैं शास्त्र पढ़ना - यह ज्ञान है; और पूजा करना भक्ति है।
You are EVEN MORE valuable NOW than when You are in the Golden Age. The Father, who is the Ocean of Knowledge, gives You ALL the Knowledge NOW. No human being can understand (the DIFFERENCE between) Knowledge and Devotion. They have mixed up the two. They think that reading the Scriptures is Knowledge; and that worshiping is Devotion.”

The Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, are MORE VALUABLE in Confluence Age, than when they become ELEVATED living Deities in Golden Age, since they receive ALL the Knowledge from Incorporeal God Father Shiva in Confluence Age, to enable them to become ELEVATED living Deities in Golden Age!

The BLIND Unrighteous children, or FALSE Brahmins, are TREACHEROUSLY TRICKED into DELUSIVELY believing that the so-called ‘unlimited clarifications’ of the SMs & AVs, constitute the so-called ‘Advanced Knowledge’ – but same are ACTUALLY the MISINTERPRETATIONS, MISREPRESENTATIONS & MISAPPROPRIATIONS of the SMs & AVs, which have been CRAFTILY MANIPULATED, to be in ACCURATE CONSONANCE with the DISTORTED & PERVERTED CONCEPTS of ‘Rajopradhan & Tamopradhan Bhakti’, of the outer World of Ravan Rajya – being the ACCURATE ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita of the outer World of Ravan Rajya – carried out, more specifically, in the latter part of Confluence Age, under the ACTIVE INFLUENCE of the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya – and propagated through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, MASQUERADING as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God!


तुम पारसबुद्धि थे, फिर तुमको पत्थरबुद्धि किसने बनाया? ...
वह सच्चा बाप तुमको सत्य ही सिखलाते हैं। सच्चे के बच्चे भी सच्चे। फिर झूठे के बच्चे बनने से आधाकल्प झूठे बन पड़ते हैं। सच्चे बाप को ही भूल जाते हैं।
“You had Divine intellects. So, who then made you into those with STONE intellects? ...
That TRUE Father (Shiva) ONLY TEACHES You the Truth. The Children of the Truth are TRUE. Then, by becoming children of the FALSE one, you become FALSE for half the Cycle. You even forget the TRUE Father.”

The Unlimited, Incorporeal ‘Parlokik’ Supreme Father Supreme Soul - REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God – who is the TRUE Incorporeal Father of the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, TEACHES them ONLY the TRUTH, and ONLY THROUGH the Lotus Mouth/Intellectual Orifice of Brahma Baba – in the form of SMs & AVs - FIRST, in ‘Sakar’, through his ORDINARY, IMPURE CORPOREAL body, UNTIL 1969; and THEN, in ‘Akar’, through his ELEVATED SUBTLE body, AFTER 1969 – using the instrumental corporeal body of Dadi Gulzar, WHENEVER SO REQUIRED – and ALSO through the Third Eye of the Divine intellects of the Righteous Children, who have since ALSO DEVELOPED their OWN ‘akari’ or subtle stage of consciousness, UNTIL the VERY END of Confluence Age – through which the Righteous Children, or TRUE Brahmins, claim their Unlimited inheritance of Sovereignty of the TRUE New World of RamRajya, from Incorporeal God Father Shiva, in Confluence Age ITSELF!

Whereas, the Godly Form or ‘Ishwariya Rup’ of Ravan or Maya – MASQUERADING as ‘ShivBaba’, etc. – CHEATS the BLIND Unrighteous children, or FALSE Brahmins, with FALSEHOOD - through the BOGUS mouth of the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan – (who ALSO MASQUERADES as ‘Paramatma’, ‘Supreme Soul’, ‘Bhagwan’, ‘Prajapita Brahma’, ‘Adi Dev’, ‘Vishnu’, ‘Shankar’, ‘Shiv-Shankar-Bholenath’, etc., and ALSO as the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God) – in the form of the ADULTERATED & CORRUPTED, REVERSED advanced knowledge – TREACHEROUSLY TRICKING the BLIND Unrighteous children into DELUSIVELY believing that same is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH, being the ‘unlimited clarifications’ of the SMs & AVs – but which are ACTUALLY the MISINTERPRETATIONS, MISREPRESENTATIONS & MISAPPROPRIATIONS of the SMs & AVs – being the EXACT ‘shooting’ of the FALSE Scriptures & FALSE Gita of the outer World of RavanRajay - through which the BLIND Unrighteous children, or FALSE Brahmins, claim their ‘unlimited’ inheritance of sovereignty of the FALSE old World of Ravan Rajya - through the ‘mukrar-rath’ of Ravan, while DELUSIVELY believing him to be the ‘mukrar-rath’ of God - in Confluence Age ITSELF!
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