It is said that Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar are born together. They are three and it is about the Confluence Age. If Vishnu was about the Golden Age, he could not possibly be there along with Brahma and Shankar.
In the Confluence Age there will be one soul who will transform from a human to deity first. In the Confluence Age, first souls become brahmins. Then these brahmins become deities, but there is the stage of an angel in between. Shankar is angel. Brahma is human, he belongs to the old world. The age of Brahma finishes in the land of death. And Vishnu is a deity, he belongs to the new world. It is Shankar who is considered the greatest deity who does not belong to the old world, but is there before the new world.
All the three souls belong to the Confluence Age, but the speed of their effort is different. Shankar is the subtlest, so the fastest. The Land of Vishnu is the symbol of pure Bharat. Deity status is lower than that of the Confluence Age. And third comes Brahma that is incomplete stage. We can compare the Trimurti to the arrows of the clock. It is only when the big, slowest arrow strikes that we count the hour, but it is the arrow of the seconds that strikes first for the hour to be complete, followed by the minute arrow.
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As clarified earlier B, V & S are Spiritually born, SIMULTANEOUSLY, with the INCARNATION of REAL ShivBaba, Shiva or God, on His entry into the corporeal body of Brahma Baba. BOTH of them, COMBINED as BapDada, enact the three roles Spiritually, right from the very beginning, supported by the soul of Saraswati Mama as well.
In the Confluence Age, the soul of Brahma Baba transforms from a human to Spiritual deity (angel), in 1969. In the Confluence Age, first souls become Brahmins - Brahma Baba was the very FIRST Brahmin, having taken spiritual birth from Shiva through his OWN Lotus Mouth. Then these Brahmins become deities, but there is the stage of an angel in between - Brahma Baba became an angel in 1969. Shankar is angel - role enacted by Brahma Baba, after 1969, when he becomes an angel, ALONG WITH ShivBaba and Mama. Brahma is human, he belongs to the old world - when he is in his corporeal body, UNTIL 1969. The age of Brahma finishes in the land of death - when Brahma Baba becomes 'karmateet' and leaves his corporeal body in 1969. And Vishnu is a deity, he belongs to the new world - the role practically played by the very same soul of Brahma Baba, when he takes PURE birth in G A, along with Saraswati Mama, when she takes PURE birth in G A. It is Shankar who is considered the greatest deity who does not belong to the old world, but is there before the new world - Brahma Baba DOES NOT belong to the OLD WORLD after 1969, and is there to OVERSEE the task of TRANSFORMATION, BEFORE the New World commences.
All the three ROLES of God, as B, V & S, are enacted in the Confluence Age, but the speed of EACH ROLE is different. The ROLE of Shankar is the subtlest, so the fastest - which is why Brahma Baba has to be in a subtle body in order to carry out the SUBTLEST task of World TRANSFORMATION at the fastest possible pace, which would NOT have been possible for any embodied soul, if such embodied soul would STILL be restricted by the CONSTRAINTS of the physical body
of his OWN. The Land of Vishnu is the symbol of pure Bharat. Deity status is lower than that of the Confluence Age. The status of Brahma Baba, as Shri Krishna or Shri Narayan in G A, is considered to be LOWER than his VERY OWN STATUS in Confluence Age, when he is instrumental to enact the THREE ROLES of B, V & S, ALONG WITH ShivBaba and Saraswati Mama. Brahma Baba is in the incomplete stage, when he is in his corporeal body,
UNTIL 1969!
View following points for better understanding of the status of Brahma Baba in Confluence Age and in G A -
"When Krishna (
of G A) will come,
THEN (
AFTER a certain period) there will not remain any dirty soul (
WHEN he ascends the Throne). Till then (
till Krishna of G A comes) you will keep coming and going. The parents, etc., to receive Krishna should be present before-hand, is it not?
THEN (
when he ascends the Throne) all good souls will remain. All others (
dirty souls in impure bodies) will leave.
Then only will it be called a (
REAL) Heaven. You will remain to receive Krishna (
in your IMPURE bodies). Although your births takes place through dirt (
impure bodies), means it is Ravana's Kingdom, is it not? One cannot have a pure birth (
BEFORE Shri Krishna of G A comes). Only Krishna (
of G A) will
FIRSTLY take a flower-like (
Pure) birth.
[4-10-69]
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BKWSU SM, Revised 30.08.2016 wrote: कृष्ण का कितना नाम गाया जाता है। उनके बाप का नाम ही नहीं, उनका बाप कहाँ है। जरूर राजा का बच्चा होगा ना। वहाँ, बड़े राजा के घर में जन्म होता है। परन्तु वह पतित राजा होने के कारण उनका नाम थोड़ेही होगा। कृष्ण जब है तब थोड़े पतित भी रहते हैं। जब वह बिल्कुल खलास हो जाते हैं तब वह गद्दी पर बैठते हैं, अपना राज्य ले लेते हैं, तब ही उनका संवत शुरू होता है। लक्ष्मी-नारायण से संवत शुरू होता है।
The name of Krishna is praised so much. There is no mention of his father's name, where is his father? He (Krishna) would definitely be the son of a king. There, his birth takes place in the house of a great king. However, BECAUSE THAT KING IS IMPURE, he is not renowned. When Krishna is there, a few impure ones remain. When they (impure ones) completely leave, then he sits on the throne and claims his Kingdom, only after which his era begins. The era begins with Lakshmi & Narayan.
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BKWSU SM, Revised 09.08.2016 wrote: बच्चा तो जन्म से ही महात्मा है। बच्चों को तो पवित्र फूल कहा जाता है। नम्बरवन फूल है श्रीकृष्ण। स्वर्ग नई दुनिया का पहला प्रिन्स। जन्म लिया तो कहेंगे फर्स्ट प्रिन्स।
A Child is a great soul, right from birth. Children are said to be pure flowers. The NUMBER ONE Flower is Shri Krishna. He is the first prince of Heaven, the New World. As soon as he takes birth, he is called the FIRST Prince.
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BKWSU SM, Revised 14.07.2016 wrote: बाबा का तो अनुभवी रथ है ना। तुम बच्चे अब समझ रहे हो - आत्मायें और परमात्मा अलग रहे बहुकाल... तुम जो पहले अलग हुए हो, फिर तुम ही आकर पहले मिलते हो। सतयुग का फर्स्ट प्रिन्स है श्रीकृष्ण। कृष्ण का बाप भी तो होगा ना। कृष्ण के माँ-बाप का इतना कुछ दिखाते नहीं हैं। सिर्फ दिखाते हैं माथे पर रखकर नदी से उस पार ले गया। राजाई आदि कुछ नहीं दिखाई है। उनके बाप की महिमा क्यों नहीं है? अभी तुम जानते हो इस समय कृष्ण की आत्मा ने अच्छी रीति पढ़ाई पढ़ी है। जिस कारण माँ-बाप से भी ऊंच पद पाया है। तुम समझते हो हम श्रीकृष्ण की राजधानी में थे, स्वर्ग में तो थे ना।
The Chariot of Baba is EXPERIENCED. You Children NOW understand, that souls remained separated from the Supreme Soul for a long period ... ONLY You, who got separated FIRST, THEN come and Meet FIRST. Shri Krishna is the FIRST PRINCE of the Golden Age (‘Satyug’). Krishna would also have a father, is it not? They have not shown very much about Krishna’s parents. They have just shown that he was placed on the head and carried across the river. They have not shown a kingdom, etc. Why is there NO PRAISE of his father? You NOW understand that the soul of Krishna STUDIED this study VERY WELL, at THIS TIME, and due to THIS REASON, he RECEIVED a STATUS, EVEN HIGHER THAN THAT of his PARENTS. You understand that You were in the Kingdom of Shri Krishna, You were in Heaven.
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BKWSU SM, Revised 18.07.2016 wrote: यह शरीर तो इनका है ना। मैं सिर्फ इनमें आकर प्रवेश करता हूँ। मुख ही काम में लाता हूँ - तुम बच्चों को पतित से पावन बनाने। गऊ मुख भी कहते हैं ना। बरोबर ग्ऊ भी है। तुम जानते हो इनसे ही तुम बच्चों को एडाप्ट करते हैं। यह मात-पिता, दोनों हैं।
THIS body is his. I simply come and enter him. I just use his Mouth in order to make You Children pure from impure. They speak of the ‘Mouth of the Cow’ (‘gaumukh’). There really is a ‘Cow’. You know that I adopt You Children ONLY through THIS ONE. THIS ONE is BOTH, the Mother AND Father.
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BKWSU SM, Revised 17.09.2016 wrote: माला में ऊपर हूँ मैं। फिर युगल है ब्रह्मा-सरस्वती। वही सतयुग के महाराजा-महारानी बनते हैं। ... मैं भारत को इन ब्रह्मा-सरस्वती और ब्राह्मणों द्वारा स्वर्ग बनाता हूँ। ... अब बाप आकर समझदार बनाते हैं। यह लक्ष्मी-नारायण समझदार विश्व के मालिक थे ना?
I am at the top of the rosary, and then there is the couple, Brahma & Saraswati. They THEMSELVES become the Emperor & Empress of the Golden Age. ... I make Bharat into Heaven through THESE Brahma-Saraswati & Brahmins. ... The Father NOW comes and makes You sensible. THESE Lakshmi & Narayan were SENSIBLE Masters of the World, is it not?
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BKWSU SM, Revised 24.08.2016 wrote: वह लौकिक वह पारलौकिक और यह है संगमयुगी अलौकिक बाप। लौकिक बाप तो सतयुग से लेकर होते आये हैं। पारलौकिक बाप को वहाँ कोई याद नहीं करते, वहाँ होता ही है एक बाप। हे भगवान, हे परमात्मा कहकर याद नहीं करते हैं, फिर द्वापर में जब भक्ति मार्ग शुरू होता है तो बाप दो होते हैं। संगम पर हैं 3 बाप। प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा भी अभी मिलता है, अभी तुम उनके बने हो। जानते हो यह अलौकिक बाप है। अभी तुम इन बातों को अच्छी रीति जानते हो और याद करते हो।
That one is a worldly (‘lokik’) father, the other One is the (‘Parlokik’) Father from beyond, and THIS is Subtle (‘Alokik’) Father of the Confluence Age. You have had worldly fathers from the beginning of Golden Age. No one remembers the Father from beyond this world THERE, where there is only ONE father. No one there remembers God or says: 'Oh God'! 'Oh Supreme Soul'! Then, when the 'Path of Devotion' begins in the Copper Age, there are TWO fathers, and at the Confluence Age there are THREE fathers. You meet Prajapita Brahma AT THIS TIME. You NOW belong to him. You know that THIS is your Subtle (‘Alokik’) Father. You NOW understand and remember these aspects VERY WELL.
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BKWSU SM, Revised 10.09.2016 wrote: बाप ने समझाया है, नम्बरवन ही लास्ट नम्बर में तमोप्रधान बनते हैं। मैं खुद कहता हूँ कि, मैं बहुत जन्मों के अन्त में साधारण तन में प्रवेश करता हूँ। जिसने पूरे 84 जन्म लिए हैं, वह तो जरूर पतित होगा - पावन तो हो नहीं सकता। बाप खुद कहते हैं, पहले नम्बर में है श्रीकृष्ण - फर्स्ट प्रिन्स। श्री नारायण तो बाद में बनता है, जब बड़ा होता है - वह भी 20-25 वर्ष कम हो जाते हैं। उनके भी पूरे 84 जन्म नहीं कहेंगे। नम्बरवन है श्रीकृष्ण। भल वही फिर स्वयंवर बाद नारायण बनते हैं। परन्तु हिसाब तो बच्चों को करना है ना। पूरे 84 जन्म, 5 हजार वर्ष श्रीकृष्ण के ही कहेंगे। तो बाप बैठ समझाते हैं, मैं कल्प-कल्प उसी ही तन में आता हूँ, जिसका आदि से लेकर अन्त तक पार्ट है। दूसरे कोई में आ नहीं सकता हूँ। हिसाब है ना। ब्रह्मा ही पहला नम्बर ठहरा। मैं और कोई में आ कैसे सकता? तुमसे बहुत लोग पूछते हैं, सिर्फ एक ही ब्रह्मा में क्यों आते हैं? परन्तु यह हिसाब है ना। यह समझने की बातें हैं। गाया भी हुआ है ब्रह्मा द्वारा स्थापना करते हैं। विष्णु वा शंकर द्वारा स्थापना नहीं करते। यह और कोई का काम नहीं है। मनुष्य रचता और रचना को नहीं जानते हैं। यह भी ड्रामा में नूँध है। ...
जिनके 84 जन्म पूरे हुए हैं वही पहले नम्बर में लक्ष्मी-नारायण बनेंगे। यह सब राज बाप ही बैठ समझाते हैं।
The Father has explained that the NUMBER ONE soul, then becomes ‘tamopradhan’, at the end. I, Myself, tell You that I enter an ORDINARY BODY, at the END of his MANY births. He has taken the FULL 84 births and so he would definitely be impure - he cannot be pure. The Father Himself says: Shri Krishna is the NUMBER ONE - first Prince. He becomes Shri Narayan later on, when he grows up - when 20 to 25 years become less (than his full age). FULL 84 births cannot be said for him (Shri Narayan) too. Shri Krishna is NUMBER ONE, although he HIMSELF then becomes Narayan, after his marriage. However, Children have to keep an account. Only Shri Krishna is said to take the FULL 84 births, in 5000 years. The Father sits and explains: Every cycle, I ONLY enter the body of THAT ONE, who has a part from the beginning to the end. I CANNOT ENTER ANYONE ELSE's BODY. There is this account. ONLY BRAHMA is NUMBER ONE. How can I enter anyone else's body? Many people ask you: Why does God come in the body of ONLY ONE Brahma? However, there is this account, is it not? These matters have to be understood. It is remembered that establishment is carried out through Brahma. Establishment is NOT carried out through Vishnu or Shankar. This is not anyone else’s task. People neither know the Creator nor the creation, and this too is fixed in the Drama. ...
ONLY those who take COMPLETE 84 births will become the NUMBER ONE Lakshmi & Narayan. ONLY the Father sits and explains ALL of these secrets.
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BKWSU SM, Revised 14.06.2016 wrote: यह तो बच्चों को जरूर निश्चय होगा कि हमारा पारलौकिक बाप है – परमपिता परमात्मा शिव, और यह (ब्रह्मा) सब बच्चों का अलौकिक बाप है, इनको ही प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा कहेंगे। इतने बच्चे और किसको होते हैं क्या, सिवाए प्रजापिता ब्रह्मा के। पहले नहीं थे, जबकि बेहद के बाप ने इसमें प्रवेश किया है, तो यह हो गया दादा। यह दादा खुद कहते हैं कि तुमको पारलौकिक बाप की प्रापर्टी मिलती है। पोत्रे हमेशा दादे के वारिस होते हैं। उनका बुद्धियोग दादे में जाता है, क्योंकि दादे की प्रापर्टी का हक मिलना है। जैसे राजाओं के पास जो बच्चे जन्म लेते रहेंगे, ऐसे ही कहेंगे बड़ों की प्रापर्टी है। बड़ों की प्रापर्टी पर उन्हों का हक है ही। तुम बच्चे जानते हो कि हम बेहद के बाप द्वारा बड़े ते बड़ी प्रापर्टी स्वर्ग की बादशाही ले रहे हैं। हमको वह बाप पढ़ा रहे हैं। तुम अब सम्मुख बैठे हो। सम्मुख का नशा भी नम्बरवार पुरूषार्थ अनुसार रहता है। कोई की दिल में तो बड़ा लव रहता है। हम ऊंच ते ऊंच भगवान के आकर इस साकार मात-पिता द्वारा वारिस बनते हैं।
You Children would DEFINITELY have the faith that OUR ‘Parlokik’ Father (‘from beyond this world’) is the Supreme Father Supreme Soul, Shiva; and that THIS ONE (Brahma) is the Subtle (‘Alokik’) Father of ALL the Children. ONLY he is called Prajapita Brahma. Could anyone, EXCEPT Prajapita Brahma, have so many Children? He did not have them before. It was when the UNLIMITED Father ENTERED him that he became 'Dada'. THIS Dada himself says: You receive the property of the ‘Parlokik’ Father (‘from beyond this world’). Grandchildren are always heirs of their grandfather. The Yoga of their intellects goes to their grandfather because they would receive the right to the grandfather’s property. Just as, when a child is born to a king, he would be told that that is the property of his elders. They definitely have a right to the property of their elders. You Children understand that you are claiming the greatest property of all - the Sovereignty of Heaven - from the UNLIMITED Father. That Father is TEACHING US. You are now sitting PERSONALLY IN FRONT. The intoxication of sitting PERSONALLY IN FRONT is experienced, number-wise, according to your efforts. Some have a lot of Love in their hearts of becoming heirs of God, the Highest on High, through THIS corporeal Mother and Father.