Till 1947?sita wrote:Initially there was clarification of the Gita.
When did Piyu ki Vani start, as per PBKs?
Till 1947?sita wrote:Initially there was clarification of the Gita.
As clearly explained above, the ACT of Supreme Father Supreme Soul, God or ShivBaba just ENTERING into corporeal body of Brahma Baba cannot be STRICTLY considered to be adoption of the Child Brahma as the FIRST BORN, in the very first instance, but is STRICTLY the actual adoption of His 'vanni' or Wife, to be the 'alokik' Mother or Big Mother('badi Ma') for the ensuing mouth-born Children; WHILE the almost SIMULTANEOUS ACT of speaking out the Knowledge and giving the clear introduction and understanding of the Supreme Spiritual Relationships through the mouth of Brahma Baba HIMSELF, constitutes the actual ACT of adoption of the FIRST BORN Child Brahma, through the lotus mouth of Brahma Baba or Prajapita Brahma HIMSELF, and NONE OTHER!!!sita wrote: ... But it is said about the Supreme Father entering, that that is not adoption. But for Brahma Baba it is said that he is adopted. How do you explain it?
Baba does not speak grammatically, as he is bholanath and is also speaking to illiterate kanyas and maatas. see the Murli point- "This ShivBaba" - mu point No. 2)- http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... 654#p12654 . Does it means ShivBaba is someone other than the speaker?sita wrote:One more point on the difference between Prajapita and Brahma.
प्रजपिता ब्रह्मा को भी पिता कह्ते है। तो माता कौन. यह ब्रह्मा माता बन जाती है।(mu. 19.12.2001)
Prajapita Brahma will also be called Father. Then who is the mother. This Brahma becomes mother. (mu.19.12.2001)
Yet to check. There is need to know adjacent sentences.शरीर छूटेगा तब जब बाप का रथ आकर लेंगे। (mu. 10.05.1968)
The body will be left when (he) will come and take the Chariot of the Father. (mu. 10.05.1968)
What does it mean?
I did not get it.The meaning of the above Murli point is- "Prajapita Brahma will also be called Father. Then who is the mother. This Brahma becomes mother".
You can read this Murli on the PBKs.info. This point is just the last one.Yet to check. There is need to know adjacent sentences.
Yes, you have point there. But, I have added something in bracket, on the basis of several other Murli points.sita wrote:Prajapita Brahma is also called as (just) Father(in lowkik). Then who is the mother. This Brahma becomes mother (too). (mu.19.12.2001)
Yes, I read the Murli point, but did not get the meaning. Seems there could be some typing error either by BKs or PBKs. Else, we should try to get audio file.You can read this Murli on the PBKs.info. This point is just the last one.
When the devotees of the outer world utter word- 'niraakaar', they believe/understand that God is FORMLESS - so, IN THIS PARTICULAR CONTEXT, ShivBaba is explaining that He cannot be called 'nirakar' in the sense of being FORMLESS. But God has a form, which is just a DOT or POINT - so, IN THIS PARTICULAR CONTEXT, ShivBaba is explaining that He DOES have an 'akar' or FORM, which is JUST a DOT or POINT. Here Baba is meaning aakaar(form), FOR God as a POINT, and NOT for God as being within EITHER a corporeal or subtle VEHICLE or body. Baba is saying- I am not formless (which the devotees refer to as 'nirakar'), but have a fixed form of a POINT (which is referred to as 'akar') - the meaning here is that He has SOME FORM, that of a POINT; and according to Knowledge, since He does NOT have either a GROSS or SUBTLE form, hence He is ACTUALLY considered to be 'nirakar' - ONE without a 'sakari' corporeal form like other embodied human beings, and even without an 'akari' subtle form like the farishtas or angels - in the CORRECT CONTEXT!sita wrote:One point about the ling as symbol of the corporeal form. He cannot be called nirakar." mu. 26.6.68
This is already discussed in the forum. _ See viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1819&p=25203&hilit=child#p25203sita wrote:ShivBaba has a Father!
"Baap ne pucha, ShivBaba ko bap he? Kehte hai, ha. Achcha ShivBaba ko teacher hai? Guru hai? Nahi. Sirf Maa bap milte hai. Yah guhya hisaab hai." mu. 12.10.2002
"The Father asked, does ShivBaba has a Father. It is said, yes. Alright, does ShivBaba have a teacher? Does he have a guru? No. It is a deep account." mu. 12.10.2002
viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1819&p=50812#p50812... "Prajapita Brahma who is called Ram, he is called great great grandfather."
Simple misunderstanding dear. It says- in G Age, there will not be just one Brahma (soul of DLR in his deity form), there will be others too (deities) with him. COMPLETE MISINTERPRETATION & MISAPPROPRIATION of Murli points, by taking them COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT, WITHOUT understanding the THREE ASPECTS OF TIME in the PROPER PERSPECTIVE!!!There is more than one Brahma.
mu. 19.9.2005
"Satyug treta ko kaha jaata hai – Brahma ka din. Ek Brahma toh nahi hoga."
"Satyug and Treta are called the Day of Brahma. There will not be one Brahma."
Mis understanding. Read Murli points PROPERLY. The underlined words are for human souls, the words in 'bold' are for Supreme Soul. ONCE AGAIN, COMPLETE MISINTERPRETATION & MISAPPROPRIATION of Murli points, by taking them COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT, WITHOUT understanding WHAT PART OF THE Murli IS RELATING TO WHOM!!!Names of the Supreme Soul change as he changes bodies, from Brahma to Shankar, then Vishnu.
"Unki atma ka hi naam Shiv hai. Vah, kab badalta nahi. Sharir badalte hai toh naam bhi badal jaate. Jaise Brahma se Shankar, phir Vishnu” mu. 24.1.75
"The name of his soul is Shiv, it never changes. When the body changes, the name also changes. Like from Brahma - Shankar, then Vishnu." mu. 24.1.75
- Post No. 170- in detail - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... idi#p14352Advance Party in physical bodies.
Yet to get adjacent sentences of the point.BVS are visible through these eyes.
mu 12.8.83
"B, V, Sh ko bhi Yaad karte hain, vah toh, en ankhoon se dekhne main aate hain."
"BVS are also remembered, they are visible through these eyes."
What about the next sentence....Jeise Brahma se Shankar, phir Vishnu.Mis understanding. Read Murli points fully. The underlined words are for human souls, the bold are for Supreme Soul.
Sorry, I did not read this sentence. But, most probably, it may mean Brahma becomes Shankar too. So, B baba may play the role of Shankar, as he is a subtle deity already.sita wrote:What about the next sentence....Jeise Brahma se Shankar, phir Vishnu.
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