Questions for BKs

[sita]

In the Murli it is said we cannot have connection with ShivBaba without Brahma. How this is valid post 1969?

[mbbhat]

In the Murli it is said we cannot have connection with ShivBaba without Brahma. How this is valid post 1969?

The knowledge has already been made available. So, importance of body reduces. Brahma Baba is still available in subtle form- much more powerful than he was in Sakar.

And, even after 1969, the connection is through Brahma only. That is why just ShivBaba does not come and speak. Both Bap and Dada come. Both Sakar and Avyakt Murlis - are words of both Shiv and Brahma, not just Shiv or just Brahma.

[sita]

What about the time when Avyakt Baba has not come in Dadi Gulzar. How does the connection take place at that time?

[mbbhat]

What about the time when Avyakt Baba has not come in Dadi Gulzar. How does the connection take place at that time?

ACTUAL SPIRITUAL connection is mental and intellectual, requiring a DIVINE INTELLECT or the THIRD EYE *. Same question can be put to PBKs. How connection takes place when PBKs are not in Kampil and at other different places, when they are NOT in the presence of a physical medium or Chariot? These all are discussed on this forum. But, you may ask any further queries.

* - Physical medium or Chariot is necessary for giving knowledge and directions. Most of the Knowledge is already given. - http://www.brahmakumarisforum.net/chat/ ... 17a#p12441 So, now the need of physical milan/meeting reduces for those children who have ALREADY ACQUIRED the ability to connect with a DIVINE INTELLECT or THIRD EYE, and ALL FURTHER CLARIFICATIONS of the SUBTLEST ASPECTS of Knowledge, which COULD NOT be understood due to a limited intellect, are received in the form of clear touchings through the DIVINE INTELLECT or THIRD EYE.

[sita]

No it is said for connection, not for teaching. We cannot have connection with ShivBaba without Brahma. We cannot connect our intellect without Brahma. Yes, the discussion has been going on and there are many points about it. It is said that a soul cannot be remembered without a body. Receiving touchings is dangerous, if we are not able to verify if it is a touching from Baba or your own touching. Anyway God does not teach by inspiration, but even in the case of touching he would need to adopt a body so that he could give touchings.

Another aspect that needs clarity. Among the souls, the deities are the oldest, among the deities - the Trimurti and among the Trimurti Shankar is said the be the biggest. Is it justified to believe Brahma to be the first deity Adidev, the oldest one, when in the Murli Shankar is said to be bigger than him. Shankar is believed to be the first deity, Adidev, on the path of Bhakti as well.

[sita]

In the Trimurti Brahma comes first. The sequence in which the murtis are revealed are Brahma, Shankar, Vishnu. Brahma comes first. He is number one, but it is not said that he is the biggest. This is different. For Shankar it is said that among the Trimurti he is the biggest.

[mbbhat]

In the Trimurti Brahma comes first. The sequence in which the murtis are revealed are Brahma, Shankar, Vishnu. Brahma comes first. He is number one, but it is not said that he is the biggest. This is different. For Shankar it is said that among the Trimurti he is the biggest.

Read the Murli point again. Few more Murli points.

2)SM 11-1-78(3):- Yah Brahma hai murabbi bachcha. Kahte hain Trimurti brahma. Trimurti S va Trimurti V nahin kahenge. Dev2 Mahadev to Shankar ko kahte hain, phir Trimurti Brahma kyon kahte? Insay Praja rachte hain. To yah unki vanni(stree) banti hai. S va V vanni nahin bante hain. Yah bahut wonderful baatein hain samajhne ki. Besamajhvaale bhi samajhvaalon se in baaton may teekhe jaa sakte hain. Sirf baap aur varse ko Yaad karna hai. Bas. Isee may hee mehnat hai.

3)SM 28- 09-72(2):- Oonch te oonch Baap hee aakar puraani duniyaa se nayi duniyaa banaate hain. Sookshmvatansaasi Brahma, Vishnu Shankar ko devtaa kahte hain. AISAY KAHAAN BHI LIKHAA HUVAA NAHIN HAI KI PRAJAPITA BRAHMA SOOKSHMVATANVAASI HAI. sookshmvatan may thode hee praja hoti hai. PRAJAPITA BRAHMA to zaroor yahaan chaahiye na. Oonch te oonch hai ShivBaba. Phir second number may hain Brahma. ShivBaba in Brahma dwaaraa baith service karte hain. [WOT]


3)SM 30-1-76(3):- Tum bachchon ke liye hee Baba ne chitr banvaaye hain. Bahut sahaj hai. Yah hai Trimurti BVS. Ab Brahma ko Trimurti kyon kahte hain. Dev2 Mahadev. Ek do ke oopar rakhte hain. Arth kuch bhi nahin jaante. Ab Brahma devtaa kaise ho saktaa? Jabki Brahma ko Prajapita kahaa jaataa hai to sookshmvatan may vah devtaa kaise ho saktaa? Prajapita Brahma toh yahan honaa chaahiye. Yah baatein koyi bhi shaastron may nahin hai. Baap kahte hain main is sharir may pravesh kar in dwara tumko samjhaataa hun. Inko apnaa rath banaataa hun. Inkey bahut janmon kea nth may main aataa hun. [Trimurti, Shankar, Prajapita] 43

4)SM 20-4-89(1):- Yah bhi bachche jaante hain Rudr_mala bhi hai jo gayi aur pooji jati hai. Simiran ki jati hai. Bhakt_mala bhi hai. Oonche oonch bhakton ki maalaa hai. Hai to saari bhakt_mala, Ravan_mala. Is kalp ke Sangamyug ke pahle job hi hain sab hai Ravan_mala. Usmey phir bhak_mala bhi hai. Bhakt_mala ke baad honi chahiye gyaan_mala. Bhakti aur gyaan hai na. Bhakt_mala bhi hai to rudr_mala bhi hai. Peeche phir rund_mala kaha jata hai. Kyonki oonche te oonch manushy srushti may hain Vishnu jisko sookshm_vatan may dikhate hain. LN raajy to yahaan karte hain to kahenge Vishnu ki rund_mala bhi hai. Prajapita Brahma to yah hai. Unki mala zaroor hai. Aakhrin yah mala ban jaayegi. Tab hi vah rudr_mala aur Vishnu ki rund_mala banegi. Oonche te oonch hai ShivBaba. Phir oonch te oonch hai Vishnu ka raajy. YAH Trimurti JO DIKHAYA HAI- USMEY HONA CHAHIYE BRAHMA Vishnu AUR SHIV NA KI Shankar. PARANTU BAAJU MAY SHIV KO KAISE RAKHEN? TO PHIR Shankar KO RAKH DIYA HAI. AUR SHIV KO OOPAR MAY RAKHA HAI. USMEY SHOBHA ACHCHI HOTI HAI. SIRF DO(=TWO) SHOBHA NAHIN DETE. Shankar KI MALA NAHIN KAHENGE. BRAHMA Vishnu AUR RUDR MALA; BAS. SHOBHA KE LIYE Bhakti MAY KITNEY CHITR BANAYE HAIN. Parantu gyaan kuch bhi nahin hai. Tum jo chitr banate ho unki pahchaan deni hai to manushy samajh jaaye. Nahin to Shiv Shankar ko mila dete hain. Baba ne samjhaya hai sookshm_vatan may bhi saari saakshaatkaar ki baath hai. Haddi maans vahaan hota nahin. Saakshaatkaar karte hain. Sampoorn Brahma bhi hai. Parantu vah hai sampoorn avyakti. Abhi vyakt Brahma jo hai, unko Avyakt ban_na hai. Vyakt hi Avyakt hota hai jisko pharista bhi kahte hain. Unka sookshmvatan may chitr rakh diya hai. Sookshmvatan may jate hain, kahte hain, Baba ne shoobi_ras pilaya. Ab vahaan jhaad aadi hota nahi. Vaikunth may hain, lekin aise nahin ki Vaikunth se le aakar pilate honge. Yah sab sookshmvatan may saakshaatkaar ki baath hai. Ab bachche jante hain ab vaapis ghar jana hai. -154


= Children also know that rudr Mala is also there which is praised and worshipped. It is remembered/chanted. There is also bhakt Mala. It is of highest devotees. Actually all belong to bhaktmala, Ravan Mala. All belong/ed to Ravan Mala before Confluence Age in this kalp. In it there is also bhakt mala. After the bhakt Mala, Gyan mala should form/come. There is bhakt mala and also rudr mala. Later it is said rundmala. Because highest of high in this creation is Vishnu who is shown in Subtle Region. LN rule here. So (we) say there is also Rund mala of Vishnu. This is Prajapita Brahma. Definitely there is mala of him. This mala will get formed in the end. Then only it will become rudrmala and rundmala of Vishnu (or- then only that rudrmala and rundmala will get formed). The highest of high is ShivBaba. Next to him is kingdom of Vishnu. In the Trimurti shown- there should be brahma Vishnu and shiv and not Shankar. But how can shiv be placed in the side? Hence Shankar is placed. And shiv is placed on the top. That looks good. Just two (below) does not look good. It cannot be said mala of Shankar. Brahma, Vishnu and Rudrmala. That is all. For show purpose, in Bhakti, so many pictures are done. But, there is no knowledge at all. If you explain through the picture you prepare, people may understand. Else, they mix Shiv and Shankar. Baba has explained about Subtle Region that it is all about visions. There is no bones and flesh. Visions happen. There is also complete Brahma. The present vyakt(corporeal) Brahma will become Avyakt. The same vyakt becomes Avyakt. His picture is kept at Subtle Region. Children go to Subtle Region. They say baba gave us shoobiras to drink. Now, there is nothing like trees, etc. It would be in heaven. But it is not that baba brings it from heaven and gives. It is all about visions. Now, children know that we have to return home.


So, Baba says- what is said in Bhakti. I do not like to differentiate them in the way to show one below the other. It is left to PBKs.


5)SM 15-3-78(3):- Manushy samajhet hain Meeraa jaisee bhaktin huyi nahin hai. Shiromani bhakt MEERAA KAHTE PARANTU UNKO SWARG KI PRAAPTI HUYI NAIN. Swarg may to tum jaate ho jo Rajyog seekhte ho. Bhakt mala may Meeraa kaa hee naam aataa hai. Yahaan phir hai Shiromani ShivBaba, Brahma Saraswati, phir numberwaar Maalaa yahaan kee hai. Shankar TO NA VARSAA LETE NA DETE HAIN. Varsaa lenevaale to tum ho. TO JIS_SE VARSAA LETE HO UNKO Yaad KARNAA PADE. -47

Is there need to remember Shankar then?

More PBKs try to highlight just Shankar as no. one, it is difficult for them, because in Murlis Baba has kept Shankar most below also.

6)SM 21-7-81(1):- Param Pita jo Gyan ka sagar hai vah baith Brahma dwara sabhi shastron ka saar samjhate hain. BVS ka bhi vah rachaita hai. Brahma ko va Vishnu ko Gyan ka sagar nahin kahenge. Shankar KEE TO BATH HEE CHODO. -127

= Param Pita who is ocean of knowledge clarifies/explains all the scriptures whilst sitting through Brahma. He is creator of even BVS. B or V cannot be called as(are not called as) Ocean of Knowledge. LEAVE THE MATTER OF Shankar!

7)SM 12-1-77(2):- Yah Brahma hee poojari ban Vishnu kee poojaa karte thay. Kahte hain Hum so poojaari that Vishnu ke. Ab hum so Vishnu poojy ban raha hun. Tatwam. Isko guhytam baath kaha jata hai. Brahma kahaan se aayaa? Vishnu kahaan gaya? Tum jaante ho V ke do roop Ln ko 84 janm poore kar anth may patit ban_na hai. Dynasty hee patit banti hai. Aise dharm ko bhool gaye hain. Apne ko devta maante hee nahin. Zaroor jab Devi Devta dharm praayahlop ho to phir main aakar sthaapan karoon. Aur sab dharmon ka khaalas kar doon. Phir se sahaj Rajyog sikhlaakar shreshthaachaari Devi Devta dharm ki sthaapna kar, baaki jo bhrashthaachaari dharm hain un sabka vinash kartaa hun. Shankar DWARA VINAASH, Shankar KI AUR KOYI BAATH NAHIN. POOJY SO POOJAARI YAH BRAHMA KI BAATH HAI. Poojari Brahma Saraswati so poojy LN. [Brahma so Vishnu point]

8)SM 22-2-77(1,2):- GAAYAA BHI JAATAA HAI PRAJAPITA BRAHMA. Trimurti bhi kahte hain. BVS dev2 Mahadev kahte hain. TEENON MAY PHIR BRAHMA KAA NAAM OONCH KYON? Trimurti Brahma kyon kah dete? Brahma to yahaan hee hota jiske rath may ShivBaba aate hain. Vishnu aur Shankar ko devtaa kahte hain. Achchaa Brahma jo hai unko devtaa kahnaa chahiye? Vo to PRAJAPITA BRAHMA manushy chahiye. Rath chahiye na. Gaayaa bhi huvaa hai PRAJAPITA BRAHMA dwara srushti rachte hain. Zaroor braahman hee rachenge. Brahma mukh kamal dwaaraa braahman rachte hain. TO YAH KITNEE BADE TE BADI HASTI HAI. Aur hai kitnee saadhaaran. Baap hee manushy maatr ko dukh se chudaakar Shantidhaam Sukhdhaam le jaanevaalaa hai. Itney bade te badi hasti hai unki rahnee karnee dekho kaisee hai? Kitnaa niraakaar aur nirahankaar hai. Abhi tumharee sevaa may upasthit hai. Dekho kaise baith padhaate hain. 73, 73-

9)PBK concept of Shankar fails here.

SM 21-12-72(1):- Tum jaante ho humaaraa Baap ayaa huva hai. Aayegaa bhi zaroor koyi sharir may hi na. Unko toh apnaa toh hai hi nahin. Vo punarjanm rahit hai. Punarjanm manushy srushti may hota hai. Shankar KA PUNARJANM NAHIN HOTA HAI. Vishnu ke do roop LN hai. Dev2 Mahadev kahte hain na. Brahma aur Vishnu unka aapas may connection hai. Shankar KA KOYI CONNECTION NAHIN HAI. ISLIYE UNKO BADA RAKHTE HAIN. UNKA PUNARJANM NAHIN HAI. Unko sookshm sharir milta hai. ShivBaba ko sookshm sharir bhi nahin hai. Isliye hi vo sabse oonch te oonch hai. Vo hai behad ka Baap. -154-

= Shankar does not take rebirth. .....Shankar has no connection. Hence he is kept at high level. Shankar does not take rebirth. He gets subtle body. ShivBaba doe not get even subtle body.

This clearly mentions Shankar will not have connection, so will be playing part in incognito. But, Mr Dixit is moving gali2, and even has gone to jail. has committed blunders, and blunders.

SM 9-9-73(2):- Sabhi patiton ko pavan bananevaalaa ek hi Baap hai. Baki phir baad may numberwaar sabhi dharmvaale aate hain. CHRIST KI ATMA KO ACHCHAA PART MILA HUVA HAI. Baap ko to sabhi se achchaa part hai hi. Vah to creator, director hai. PHIR ACHCHA PART HAI BRAHMA Vishnu KA. Shankar ka to part hi vinash ka hai. Srushti ko badalna hi hai. Vinash jwaalaa nikalni hi hai. Is Ishwariy yagy se vinash jwala prajwalit hoti hai. Baki Shankar ka kaam kya hai? Yah mahima dee gayi hai. Sthaapnaa, vinaash aur paalnaa. Kis dwara? Naam to chahiye na. Chitron par poori samjhaani deni padti hai. Bigar samjhaane chitr koyi kaam kaa nahin. BVS ke occupation ko toh koyi nahin jaante. Baap aakar samjhate hain. Occupation to hai na. Shankar KO TOH YAHAAN AANAA NA HAI. NA PARVATI KO KATHA SUNAYI HAI. Kahte hain Shankar ke aankh kholne se vinash ho jata hai. Vah koyi vinash karte nahin hai. Yah tum bachche abhi samajhte ho. Baap kahte hain inhon dwara main sthaapanaa, vinaash aur paalnaa kartaa hun. KARAAVANHAAR KA ARTH CHAHIYE NA. Pandav Government ka head hai Bhagavaan. Krishn ki atma bhi is samay patit hai na. Bhagavaan aakar Krishn ki atma ko bhi pavan banate hain. Abhi Krishn ki atma swayam pavan banti jati hai. Krishn ki atma bahut janmon ke anth may kaho athvaa Brahma ki atma bahut janmon ka anth may kaho. Vah hai aadi, yah hai anth. Baath ek hee hai. To yah tum bachchon ko samjhaanaa hai. Shunkh dhwani karni hai. -212-

[Roy]

Shankar do not take rebirth. .....Shankar has no connection. Hence he is kept at high level. Shankar does not take rebirth. He gets subtle body. ShivBaba doe not get even that.

Dear mbbhat Bhai... imo, whilst you remain steeped in Bhakti or under the influence of your Bhakti sanskars, the knowledge will never truly open up to you...

"Shankar has no connection (intellectually with the corporeal world)... Hence he is kept at high level (he is no 1 in this). Shankar does not take rebirth (he doesn't ever lose faith). He gets subtle body (his mind is always involved with subtle matters of knowledge). ShivBaba does not get even that (Incorporeal Father Shiv doesn't even have to think about these matters of knowledge... He is beyond thought... always simply a point)." [Mu 21.12.72]

Roy

[mbbhat]

Dear Roy brother soul,

I have read your GROSS (mis)interpretations in the forum before. Actually, I do not feel any much difference between B,V and S. If you see the Murli points, sometimes Baba keeps B next to Shiv, sometimes Vishnu, sometimes Shankar. I believe there is not much difference between them.
But, PBKs, differentiate them to such an extent that the VERY concept of Trimurti itself gets distorted completely. It is like murdering it. Because as per PBKs, Brahma and Vishnu are Kamala Devi and Sister Vedanti - whom they believe are cowardice! They do not get seat in top 8 position. And- Kamala Devi failed twice, sister Vedanti has not yet got real/advanced knowledge.

So- in the Conf. Age, among the two above female personalities- one has not yet entered into AIVV (Vedanti), while another has given a letter in writing that she has no connection with AIVV (am I right?).
To such WAVERING personalities- PBKs are giving seat in Trimurti (very next to God)?

And- we can see the blunders committed by Mr Dixit. Even if you say- these blunders are right and has some CONCOCTED unlimited meaning, (just a joke), the other two personalities in PBK Trimurti are cowardice from their own view, as well as they are OUT of AIVV. So, what sustenance have they received from PBk Yagya or WHAT SUSTENANCE HAVE THEY THEMSELVES given to PBKs?

So- even if PBKs say- Dixit is great, great and great, obviously not- as put in Flaw No. 85/86- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2099&p=50752#p50752

[Roy]

I do not feel any much difference between B,V and S. If you see the Murli points, sometimes Baba keeps B next to Shiv, sometimes Vishnu, sometimes Shankar. I believe there is not much difference between them.

"In the Trimurti shown, there should be Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv and not Shankar. But how can Shiv be placed in the side? Hence Shankar is placed. And Shiv is placed on the top, that looks good. Just two (below) does not look good." [Mu 20.04.89]

What does this very important Murli point actually mean... It means that Father Shiv is revealed at the end (Shivjayanti) through Shankar (whose name is suffixed with His), along with Vishnu and Brahma (Trimurti Shivjayanti), who therefore must also be in corporeal form, and so Brahma is not subtle Brahma Baba, but some other Brahmin, in whom Brahma Baba is present at this time.

Roy

[sita]

Read the Murli point again. Few more Murli points.

Which of the points you have quoted and underlined contradict the Murli point that Shankar is the biggest among the Trimurti?

One point about remembering the Father in Brahma

"Prajapita Brahma ke bachche brahman hai, yah toh bahuton ko bhool jaata hai. Jab ki tum baap ko Yaad karte ho toh Brahma ko bhi Yaad karna pade" mu.18.3.99

"We are brahmins, children of Prajapita Brahma, many forget that. When you remember the Father you will have to remember Brahma." mu.18.3.99

[mbbhat]

Which of the points you have quoted and underlined contradict the Murli point that Shankar is the biggest among the Trimurti?

I have not said Shankar is higher or lower (or biggest and smallest). I have said that many times, baba says- Brahma is ALSO highest among trimurtis, (sometimes for Shankar, or sometimes even for Vishnu).
Read the Murli points again slowly and CAREFULLY, not in a SLIP-SHOD manner.

One point about remembering the Father in Brahma -
"Prajapita Brahma ke bachche brahman hai, yah toh bahuton ko bhool jaata hai. Jab ki tum baap ko Yaad karte ho toh Brahma ko bhi Yaad karna pade" mu.18.3.99
"We are Brahmins, children of Prajapita Brahma, many forget that. When you remember the Father you will have to remember Brahma." mu.18.3.99

I have that Murli point.
SM 5-3-09(1):- PPB ke bachche hum braahman hain. Yah bahuton ko bhool jata hai. Jabki tum Baap ko Yaad karte ho to Brahma ko bhi Yaad karnaa pade. Hum braahman kul ke hai. Yah bhi nasha chadhe. Bhool jaate hain to yah nasha nahin chadhtaa ki hum braahman kul ke hain, phir devtaa kul ke banenge. [vimp]

= We are children of Prajapita brahma (and hence) Brahmins. Many forget this. Since you remember Father (Shiv), you should also remember Brahma. (Because) we belong to braamhin kul. This intoxication also should rise. When you forget this- we belong to braahmin kul and then become deities- - this intoxication does not rise/present.

Try to UNDERSTAND the actual REASON why Baba had spoken so. It is explained/CLARIFIED in the next two sentences. But, PBKs either do not have access to the Murli or do not bother to read the full Murli, due to which they DO NOT understand the actual context of the complete Murli and hence are unable to REAL-EYEs the CORRECT context, hence COMPLETELY FAIL to GRASP the real context, leading to MIS-INTERPRETATION & MIS-APPROPRIATION of EACH and EVERY such Murli point, when simply taken in ISOLATION!!!

So, when ShivBaba says to the Brahmin children (who are STILL body-conscious) that they have also to remember Brahma - THEN, according to you, is ShivBaba referring to Brahma Baba (soul of DLR) or some other individual? Do you consider yourself to belong to the Brahmin Family? If so, on what basis? Are you mouth-born child of Brahma Baba (DLR) or any other individual, if so, WHO? When ShivBaba says innumerable times that a Brahmin should FOLLOW Brahma, is ShivBaba referring to Brahma Baba (soul of DLR) or some other individual? If so, WHO, and on what basis? Whom are you FOLLOWING in your practical life, as per above directive of ShivBaba, in various SMs? What PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE have you ACHIEVED in your PRACTICAL LIFE by following whomever you consider to be 'Brahma', whom a Brahmin child should follow, as per ShivBaba's CLEAR DIRECTIVE in various SMs?
Make your points CLEAR, based on your PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, and not the hog-wash of COOKED-UP MIS-INTERPRETATIONS & MIS-REPRESENTATIONS of the SMs and AVs, by taking points in ISOLATION, and making yourself DELUSIVELY BELIEVE that they have some UNLIMITED meaning, without REAL-EYEsing that they have been TAKEN COMPLETELY OUT-OF-CONTEXT from the full relevant Murli in question!

[sita]

I will reply if you ask questions one by one.

[sita]

So, when ShivBaba says to the Brahmin children (who are STILL body-conscious) that they have also to remember Brahma - THEN, according to you, is ShivBaba referring to Brahma Baba (soul of DLR) or some other individual?

At the time the Murli was spoken, I think it referred to Brahma Baba, but I also believe that the Murli points are valid for all times, so when it is said that when we remember ShivBaba we have to remember Brahma, and when it is also said that we cannot have connection with ShivBaba without Brahma, it means for all times. So for me, now it refers to some other individual.

Do you consider yourself to belong to the Brahmin Family? If so, on what basis? Are you mouth-born child of Brahma Baba (DLR) or any other individual, if so, WHO?

Yes, I do consider myself as Brahmin, on the basis of listening and accepting the knowledge through the mouth of Brahma. I consider the mouth of Brahma, that mouth from which such knowledge emerges that its source cannot be any human being. In the past it used to be Brahma Baba, now it is some other individual. So I am mouth born creation of Brahma and Prajapita Brahma, that is mother and Father both.

When ShivBaba says innumerable times that a Brahmin should FOLLOW Brahma, is ShivBaba referring to Brahma Baba (soul of DLR) or some other individual? If so, WHO, and on what basis? Whom are you FOLLOWING in your practical life, as per above directive of ShivBaba, in various SMs?

When it is said we should follow Brahma I think it refers to Brahma Baba. It is said we should become Brahmacharya – putting our footsteps in that of Brahma. But it is also said we have to adopt a stage like that of Shankar. In the practical life we could follow the good example of Brahma Baba, whilst following the directions from the Father. With respect to service I think the present example is greater.

What PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE have you ACHIEVED in your PRACTICAL LIFE by following whomever you consider to be 'Brahma', whom a Brahmin child should follow, as per ShivBaba's CLEAR DIRECTIVE in various SMs?

In my practical life, when I follow Shrimat, I experience being carefree, and I have also experienced the happiness of the meeting.

[sita]

It is said that the old points will not come into use when the new points emerge. Like previously there used to be understanding about the soul being like a thumb, when the new point about the star emerged, the old point was no more into use. But in the Avyakt Vanis the requisite of Brahma for having a connection with ShivBaba has not been overruled, but even underlined in many Avyakt Vanis.