Arjun, so what is the correct date of Virendra Dev Dixit birth? He says it is not correct. What date is correct?The reply received from Baba regarding the above question is as follows:
"जन्म की तारिख भी कागजी है, सही नहीं है।"
"The date of birth is also documentary; it is not correct."
It may take some time for me to seek clarification from Baba in this regard.warrior wrote:Arjun, so what is the correct date of Veerendra Dev Dixit birth? He says it is not correct. What date is correct?
Please clarify.
There is a Murli point very similar to this in year 1976. viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2180&p=41493&hilit ... hed#p41493Roy wrote:Thank you for the correction Bhai, this is in fact the first time i have seen this point from the 1976 revised Murli.
However, i feel the point below, backs up this interpretation of the Murli, unless you can show me that this too is a faulty point...
ShivBaba(Shiv+Prajapita) is called Ram (not Father Shiv the point). But they (BKs) have thought the Supreme Soul (Incorporeal Father Shiv) to be Ram." [Mu 14.04.76]
Furthermore- for the question - so did not revelation take place in 1969? For that question, so far, there has been no answer forthcoming from them.arjun wrote:Here, birth means revelation among Brahmins, not physical birth. There is no specific date.
PBKs believe the old body itself will get transformed into a new one.Abhimanyu wrote:This body itself will become a gold-like body (Rejuvenation) . . .
BKs believe that they will leave their bodies and get golden-like body in next birth. However the above Murli points prove that we(PBKs) will transform their bodies into golden-like kanchankaya body in this birth itself. ShivBaba is washerman, as he washes our body-like clothes. Now if a washerman says that give your clothes and I will give it back(after washing) in next birth, then will anyone give his clothes to such a washerman ? Similarly, if some study is taught then it's fruit should be received in this birth itself. For example, if engineering is taught then the student will become engineer in this birth itself. If study of becoming a doctor is taught then the person will become doctor here itself, in this birth. Similar is the case with the studies of law and other professions. If the teacher says study engineering here and you will become engineer in another birth, then will anyone study ? ShivBaba doesn't teach us blind faith. If we are studying The Knowledge and RajYoga to become a deity, then we should become deity here itself in this birth(with golden-like body). Now only those students will become deity here itself who study the complete knowledge and RajYoga through fixed Chariot of Shiva, i.e. Veerendra Dev Dixit(Shankar).
But, as per drama, EVERYTHING IS ACCURATE. So, there is no fault of anyone.BKWSU SM, Rev 08.07.2015 wrote: तुम ब्राह्मणों का कर्तव्य है - भ्रमरी के मिसल कीड़ों को भूँ-भूँ कर आप समान बनाना। और तुम्हारा पुरूषार्थ है-सर्प के मिसल पुरानी खाल छोड़ नई लेने का। तुम जानते हो यह पुराना सड़ा हुआ शरीर है, इनको छोड़ना है। यह दुनिया भी पुरानी है। शरीर भी पुराना है। यह छोड़कर अब नई दुनिया में जाना है। तुम्हारी यह पढ़ाई है ही नई दुनिया स्वर्ग के लिए। यह पुरानी दुनिया खलास हो जानी है। सागर की एक ही लहर से सारा डांवाडोल हो जायेगा। विनाश तो होना ही है ना। नैचुरल कैलेमिटीज किसको भी छोड़ती नहीं है।
The duty of you Brahmins is to buzz this Knowledge to the ‘insects’ and make them become like yourselves. Your effort is to shed your old ‘skin’ and take a new one, just as a snake does. You know that your bodies are old and decayed; they have to be shed. This world is old and these bodies are also old. You now have to shed them and go to the New World. This study of yours is for the New World of Heaven. This old world has to be destroyed. From just one wave from the ocean, there will be upheaval everywhere. Destruction has to take place. Natural calamities will not spare anyone.
Which revelation happened in 1969?Furthermore- for the question - so did not revelation take place in 1969?
Here, I think it means leaving the body CONSCIOUSLY.So, you also will will start to leave the body (like a snake sheds its skin) from (beginning of) Golden Age.
The connection between being pure and the body is that body-consciousness is like impurity for the soul. If we don't have body-consciousness we are pure. For the supreme Father also, when he comes in a body, it is as if this is not his body, because he is ever pure. So when we become pure, the AWARENESS of the (old)body will not be there, i.e. we will be soul-conscious.JAB SAMPOORN PAVITR BAN JATE HAIN TO PHIR SHARIR NAHIN RAHTAA.
When you become fully pure, the (old)body would not be there.
I think here change can mean rejuvenate.HUM AAYE HAIN REJUVENATE HONE ARTHAATH YAH SHARIR BADAL DEVTAA SHARIR LENE.
We have come to be rejuvenated, means to change this present body and take a deity body.
PBKs believe that Virendra Dev Dixit came to Gyan in 1969, and ShivBaba started entering into his body after demise of B baba. They also believe that Virendra Dev Dixit had sent his churning, etc., by registered post to BKWSU, Mount Abu.sita wrote:Which revelation happened in 1969?
Can you name the few? If possible, you may mention the month when they became PBKs. Are you sure that before 1976 no one had become PBK, and Mr Dixit was alone in his path?sita wrote:76 has been declared by Avyakt BapDada as the year of the revelation of the Father. In this year, some BKs became the first PBKs, by realizing the role of Prajapita.
.There are points that say - next to God is Krishna, next to God is Narayan, next to God is Prajapita, next to God is Shankar - which indicate that these refer to one and the same personality. There will be only one soul who will be just next to God, all others will be number-wise further away
True. This is what I have said, that Mr Dixit cannot be called as Krishna or Narayan from 1976, as he is not complete as yet.Where there is Brahma, there cannot be Krishna, because Brahma becomes Vishnu in one second, and this is an irreversible process. Brahma is an incomplete stage, whilst Krishna is a deity form.
sita wrote:Sure thing after Brahma Baba has left there has to be some arrangements made for the children. He cannot just leave them alone, so he appoints someone instrument. But in the Murli it is said that it is not that this Baba will leave and you will have to appoint another guru like in the outside world.
We can clearly observe double standard or one sided argument here.sita wrote:The significance of 69 is that the jungle never becomes empty. As soon as the lion like king of the jungle in the form of Brahma Baba leaves, his place is occupied by another personality who roars The Knowledge.
No, I am sorry, I don't have much information about that. You are probably right that even before 1976 there used to be some activity, but it was this year that more propaganda towards the outside (and BK) world took place.Can you name the few? If possible, you may mention the month when they became PBKs. Are you sure that before 1976 no one had become PBK, and Mr Dixit was alone in his path?
Yes, this is also a possibility, but that they are all one person is also possible. Sometimes it is said to remember Paramdham, sometimes, heaven, the Father, etc. It may seem that we have to remember different things. In reality Paramdham is where the Supreme Soul is, heaven or our inheritance is the human Father itself, etc. If we had to remember different things, our concentration power would scatter, while the effort is to come into essence, to come to one.It simply means they are very close to Baba. It need not mean all of them are one personality. Baba sometimes keeps Mama ahead of B Baba, sometimes B Baba as first number!
With the PBK view you would read this in an unlimited sense and in its meaning. Jagdish would mean the one who rules the world. Unlimited Jagdish, unlimited Ramesh would all refer to one and the same personality of the Father.Here, Baba says Jagadish Bhaiji as number one.
True. There are various stages in everything that takes place. First, everything happens in a subtle way. If there was declaration that in 76 Lakshmi and Narayan are born, we cannot just dismiss it. Something must have happened and firstly it happens in the mind. Like if you win a lottery, you don't get the money instantly, but instantly you come to know you have won.True. This is what I have said, that Mr Dixit cannot be called as Krishna or Narayan from 1976, as he is not complete as yet.
There are references in the Murlis for personalities who have left the Yagya and taken rebirth, and are now 20, 25 years of age (in1966). It is said that Brahma emerges from the navel of Vishnu. In the beginning of the Yagya, this Vishnu form of Lakshmi and Narayan was there and Braham Baba emerged from them. Then when Brahma Baba used to sustain the Yagya these same Lakshmi and Narayan from the beginning, appear in the Yagya again, as it is said that Vishnu emerges from the navel of Brahma.Error No. 12) Another double standard:-
Sure thing after Brahma Baba has left there has to be some arrangements made for the children. He cannot just leave them alone, so he appoints someone instrument. But in the Murli it is said that it is not that this Baba will leave and you will have to appoint another guru like in the outside world.
The significance of 69 is that the jungle never becomes empty. As soon as the lion like king of the jungle in the form of Brahma Baba leaves, his place is occupied by another personality who roars The Knowledge.
The kingdom of Lakshmi and Narayan is small to begin with and worldly laws do not apply to it. If Baba is sent to jail, it does not disturb the mind, and the heart of children, where the actual rule takes place.Error No. 13) Can this be Kingdom of Lakshmi and Narayan?
PBKs believe rule of Confluence aged Lakshmi and Narayan (Mr Veerendra Dev Dixit and Vedanti Sister) started from 1976. Now, over how many people was he ruling? And, Lakshmi (Vedanti Sister) has not been with Narayan (Veerendra Dev Dixit) during this period at all. And, then Narayan (Veerendra Dev Dixit) also went to jail. Their Jagadamba (KDD) left AIVV and got married to her driver ... Can this be called as Kingdom/rule of Lakshmi and Narayan? Can worldly laws apply to Lakshmi and Narayan?
PBKs never said that the rule of Confluence-Aged Lakshmi and Narayan has begun from 1976. We only said that the souls which are to become Copper Age L-N began to be revealed in the world of Brahmins from 1976.karan alias mbbhat wrote:PBKs believe rule of Confluence aged Lakshmi and Narayan (Mr Veerendra Dev Dixit and Vedanti Sister) started from 1976.
As per PBKs claim by quoting that Murli point, it should be like some event should have happened in 1976 which was highly special as compared to the period from 1969 till 1976, is it not?sita wrote:No, I am sorry, I don't have much information about that. You are probably right that even before 1976 there used to be some activity, but it was this year that more propaganda towards the outside (and BK) world took place.
Even if it is for one personality, a personality cannot be called as Brahma and Krishna and Ram, all at the same time. Also note that sometimes Baba says Lakshmi is ahead of Narayan. Again, this one personality is B Baba, as most of the Murli points specifically say so, and not Mr Virendra Dev Dixit.Yes, this is also a possibility, but that they are all one person is also possible. Sometimes it is said to remember Paramdham, sometimes, heaven, the Father, etc. It may seem that we have to remember different things. In reality Paramdham is where the Supreme Soul is, heaven or our inheritance is the human Father itself, etc. If we had to remember different things, our concentration power would scatter, while the effort is to come into essence, to come to one.
Yes, in (the so called) unlimited sense, anyone can equate anything to anything. Agreed.With the PBK view you would read this in an unlimited sense and in its meaning. Jagdish would mean the one who rules the world. Unlimited Jagdish, unlimited Ramesh would all refer to one and the same personality of the Father.
But Baba has also said "old points will not come into use". So, just if there is some reference, should it be followed just blindly? There are also references, as Baba has said - I am ling, thumb, indivisible infinite light, I am God, you are God, everyone is God. Should we follow them now?There are references in the Murlis for personalities who have left the Yagya and taken rebirth, and are now 20, 25 years of age (in1966).
Dear soul,The kingdom of Lakshmi and Narayan is small to begin with and worldly laws do not apply to it. If Baba is sent to jail, it does not disturb the mind, and the heart of children, where the actual rule takes place.
If we see here- viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2298&p=39901&hilit=rule#p39901 - PBKs quote the Murli point by substituting the word "rule" deliberately, even when Murli point has not said so.arjun wrote:PBKs never said that the rule of Confluence-Aged Lakshmi and Narayan has begun from 1976. We only said that the souls which are to become Copper Age L-N began to be revealed in the world of Brahmins from 1976.
On the basis of Murlis and Avyakt Vanis which have already been discussed on this forum.karan wrote:At least, can you explain how the two souls were revealed among Brahmin family (in 1976),
From 1969 to 1975 BKs did not know anything about the Confluence Age Lakshmi-Narayan. They were confused as to when Krishna will be born and when he will grow up to become Narayan. But those BKs who started realizing the practical part of ShivBaba through Shankar (Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) understood as to who were the Confluence Age Lakshmi-Narayan from whom Golden Age Radha and Krishna would get birth.and how it was unique as compared to the period from 1969 till 1975?
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