It would be better if Parikshit was just banned if he does not stop. Ultimately, he is here to promote Hare Krishna-style Vaishnavitism (ISKCON). Another cult in essence.
What he needs to do is ask for help and speak honestly of his experience ... not play at being a guru. He is the product of a BK mother.
I agree his long posts just destroy discussion and that his English is so terrible that it is impossible to understand.
Non-native English speakers should NOT try and understand or follow him.
satyaprakash wrote:Joy is of one kind- not this kind or that kind ... I have only pointed out that sex gives joy and that joy is not sin and need not be confused with discharge etc. I have also pointed out that if joy is obtained without involving the sense objects, then it is long lasting ...
I just want to say that although I am not a PBK, and am fiercely critical of the BKWSU and do not promote them, your statements above are not true.
Earlier you were equating "joy" with the pleasure of thieves and rapists which was even more ridiculous. Rationalism taken to an extreme absurd. I've experienced sex, I've experienced the "highs" from doing the BK meditation/lifestyle and they are of an entirely different order. I've also experienced the differences or "pleasures" between living a sexual life and living a disciplined, celibate life and again they are of an entirely different order.
For me, your comments scream out like someone that is or was unable to experience a meditative state and is locked in their mind.
There is truth to the great difference between experienced derived from without, through material objects and physical stimulation, and experiences derived from within. The former most certainly decline, especially through over use or abuse; the latter is at least stable. There is value to the traditional or Buddhistic view that all external experiences come hand in hand with irritations or sufferings small or great.
Next you will be telling us that the feelings that meditation produce are no different from being drunks or something ... again, I can tell you they very much are!
You upset me very much with your comment on rape. It is an act of extreme violence and animalistic rage not pleasure and I thought very insensitive. I've not experienced it, thank God, but I have experienced violence or angry urges and, again, they are clearly of an entirely different and extremely imbalanced order that flare and then die down giving one reason to regret, perhaps for years after.
Logically, you are suggesting that there is no difference in pleasure between an infant banging on a toy drum and an orchestra coming together to play the finest classical music. Again, you would be wrong and I am absolutely sure even science would back that statement up.
Reductively, you are saying there is no benefit at all to refinement and suggesting we all may as well be primitive or animalistic for its gives us the same reward or experience. Again, I would disagree.
No, even I accept that there is benefit to refining one's life and working towards a refined life which is not dependent on external props. Whether BK or PBK is that ... or whether it is a refinement that is then distorted at the top is another more valid question in my mind, e.g. does it use the 90% benefits of refinement to then corrupt and mislead in the last 10%?
But to attempt to use logic such as you have done will fail because most of the adherents will know ... from direct experience not being told ... that it is not true and reject it as being too unsubtle.
It is also plainly obvious that giving up sexual discharge *does* increase physical and mental "energy levels". Even the most animalistic athletes like boxers and football players have found this and are discouraged from such contact before big sports games. Again, it is my experience too. It is a good discipline to take control of the focus of the mind, an ability which can then be used for others things.
What might be a more valid discussion would be the whole question of Hindu sexuality, e.g. the difference between celibacy and suppression and whether true celibacy should or can be experience without sexual experience and fulfilment beforehand. To me it seems a big mess that needs sorting out.