When God comes, why BK or PBK?

[satyaprakash]

God by the very definition is someone universally powerful and all knowing. He knows what to do and when to do and how to do!
Why are the BK and PBK acting as brokers to god?
When God comes, does he not know what to do?
Why the PBK Baba keeps producing thousands of VCDs to describe what God will do etc? Is God obliged to follow him?
All religions are there only to make people good in a mixed world of good and evil. If there is an ideal world after destroying all evil =read non BK and non PBK!!= then what is need for God? Why any religion at all?
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God came. Three persons came before Him= one Hindu Bhakta, one Muslim and one Christian. God took his machine gun and =dishoom, dishoom,dishoom,= all three fall dead! Why ? because they are not PBKs!
Another three came. One Oriyanvi, one Bengalee, one Gujarati. God took his machine gun and =dishoom, dishoom,dishoom,= all three fall dead! Why? because they they do not know Hindi.
Another three came. One one BK, one PBK and one ex-PBK. God took his machine gun and =dishoom, dishoom,dishoom,= all three fall dead! Why ? because they they have not visited Kampil and got blessings from VD Baba!
Another three came. One USA citizen, one French, one Pakistani- God took his machine gun and =dishoom, dishoom,dishoom,= all three fall dead! Why ? because they are not from Bharat - North India.
God caused big earthquake- All people in AP, TN, Karnatka and Keral died- Why? because they are not living in North India.
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As per PBKs, this is what God should do! May the PBKs and their Old Godly Baba, who will never die, full with Godly AK, guide the poor and idiotic and ignorant God.

Om Shanti!

Satya.

[arjun]

God by the very definition is someone universally powerful and all knowing. He knows what to do and when to do and how to do!
Why are the BK and PBK acting as brokers to god?
When God comes, does he not know what to do?
Why the PBK Baba keeps producing thousands of VCD* to describe what God will do etc? Is God obliged to follow him?
All religions are there only to make people good in a mixed world of good and evil. If there is an ideal world after destroying all evil =read non BK and non PBK!!= then what is need for God? Why any religion at all?

God has declared in Gita that whenever there is degradation of dharma, He comes to protect the righteous ones and punish the wicked ones. And now when He has come, He names His children as Prajapita Brahmakumar and Kumaris. It is upto you to accept this or not.

God came. Three persons came before Him= one Hindu Bhakta, one Muslim and one Christian. God took his machine gun and =dishoom, dishoom,dishoom,= all three fall dead! Why ? because they are not PBKs!
Another three came. One Oriyanvi, one Bengalee, one Gujarati. God took his machine gun and =dishoom, dishoom,dishoom,= all three fall dead! Why? because they they do not know Hindi.
Another three came. One one BK, one PBK and one ex-PBK. God took his machine gun and =dishoom, dishoom,dishoom,= all three fall dead! Why ? because they they have not visited Kampil and got blessings from VD Baba!
Another three came. One USA citizen, one French, one Pakistani- God took his machine gun and =dishoom, dishoom,dishoom,= all three fall dead! Why ? because they are not from Bharat - North India.
God caused big earthquake- All people in AP, TN, Karnatka and Keral died- Why? because they are not living in North India.

Anyone can become a child of God irrespective of his bodily religion, country, state, language, caste, etc. God's child will be saved in the end irrespective of his location in the world or his language. In the end the souls which have to become deities in this birth will come to India and join others of their group.

As per PBKs, this is what God should do! May the PBKs and their Old Godly Baba, who will never die, full with Godly AK, guide the poor and idiotic and ignorant God.

May God bless U. :D

[pbkindiana]

satyapraksah wrote:
God by the very definition is someone universally powerful and all knowing. He knows what to do and when to do and how to do!
Why are the BK and PBK acting as brokers to god?
When God comes, does he not know what to do?
Why the PBK Baba keeps producing thousands of VCD* to describe what God will do etc? Is God obliged to follow him?
All religions are there only to make people good in a mixed world of good and evil. If there is an ideal world after destroying all evil =read non BK and non PBK!!= then what is need for God? Why any religion at all?
--------------------------------------------- :oops:
God came. Three persons came before Him= one Hindu Bhakta, one Muslim and one Christian. God took his machine gun and =dishoom, dishoom,dishoom,= all three fall dead! Why ? because they are not PBKs!
Another three came. One Oriyanvi, one Bengalee, one Gujarati. God took his machine gun and =dishoom, dishoom,dishoom,= all three fall dead! Why? because they they do not know Hindi.
Another three came. One one BK, one PBK and one ex-PBK. God took his machine gun and =dishoom, dishoom,dishoom,= all three fall dead! Why ? because they they have not visited Kampil and got blessings from VD Baba!
Another three came. One USA citizen, one French, one Pakistani- God took his machine gun and =dishoom, dishoom,dishoom,= all three fall dead! Why ? because they are not from Bharat - North India.
God caused big earthquake- All people in AP, TN, Karnatka and Keral died- Why? because they are not living in North India.
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As per PBKs, this is what God should do! May the PBKs and their Old Godly Baba, who will never die, full with Godly AK, guide the poor and idiotic and ignorant God.

The beauty and speciality of Hinduism is that it respects and acknowledges other religions and philosophies as Hinduism believes that all teachings enable mankind to inculcate good values.

So I am sceptical that you are a staunch follower of Indian scriptures based on your uneducational comments that you have posted above as Hinduism never preach making fun of other religions and philosophies.

indie.

[satyaprakash]

when He has come, He names His children as Prajapita Brahmakumar and Kumaris.

Anyone can become a child of God irrespective of his bodily religion, country, state, language, caste, etc. God's child will be saved

Child of God is PBK- Child of God will be saved- Child of God can be from any religion. This is what you say?
Does it not mean that a person should first become a PBK before being Saved?
This is exactly what I am questioning in my post!
Satya

will come to India and join others of their group

I am telling the same! and questioning it.
Satya

[satyaprakash]

Arjun Bhai,
You agreed with my earlier story. Now one more-
The following scene make it clear for all PBKs about God.
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God came to the world. As per instructions of AK of the Godly Baba, who will never die, who is full of Godly AK, God created big famine to kill non PBKs.
No food and no water. All are dying. God got a basket of chapatis and a jug of water. He checked each person if he has attended 7 day course of PBK. To them he gave chapatis and water. By miracle the basket and jug never became empty. He declared the non-PBKs as no child of God and made them die.
One Kerala girl with a small infant came to God and begged him for food. She spoke in Malyalam. As God knows only Hindi as per the Godly Baba, who will never die, who is full of Godly AK, God did not understand Malayalam. He could not find out if this girl is PBK or not. In his confusion he gave her chapati and she survived. One jasoos of the Godly Baba, who will never die, who is full of Godly AK, (jasoos name was the same as the person riding the Chariot driven by Lord Krishna), saw this horrible act of God in saving a non-PBK and went to Kampil Baba, the Godly Baba, who will never die, who is full of Godly AK, and reported the matter.
The Godly Baba, who will never die, who is full of Godly AK, got angry and came to God. He told God= Hey Tamoguna pradan Trimurti Siva, tum kya kar diya= the AK is violated. Kampil Baba, Godly Baba, who will never die, who is full of Godly AK, took out his machine gun and =dishoom, dishoom,dishoom,= all three (God, the Girl and the infant child) fall dead! Why? because God violated the AK and others are not PBKs.
Now there was no God. So the Godly Baba, who will never die, who is full of Godly AK, became the GOD
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- and they (all PBKs and their GOD) all went to Golden Age and lived happily ever afterwords there! Amen. Om Shanti.

Satya.

[RudraPutra]

Why HINDUISM itself divided in Brahma Samaji,Vaishnav sampraday and Shaiv sampraday? could you answer this....
you might get your answer....
....practically you are not the staunch follower of HINDUISM and just to treat your frustration and irritation regarding to bk or pbk you use this forum and not for getting the knowledge or knowing it.....and not even for supporting HINDUISM
....actually you are not able to prove your Hindu theory or concept even in front of those bk or pbk whom you know personally ....this is making you mad and your insane character reflects in your posts....
have you personally met BABA? NO
have you undergone courses? NO
some bk or pbk's due to enthusiasm kept some BK or AK knowledge in front of someone like you without any proper way and hence you got something to do in your free time.....opposing something that you do not know....strange!!!
still you are fighting with the knowledge and the giver of knowledge without any proper reason....it is so sick of you!!!
untill you undergo the course section,you do not have any right to point on any PBK's or AK's....
of course after that you can do so,atleast we can understand that your disatisfaction towards the AK,even after completing course, had compelled to ask queries....which other non-pbk members are doing like SHIVSENA Bhai or SACHKHAND etc....
they have quite good knowledge what is going on in AK from their practical experience of being connected to it,from many years...but you do not know even the a,b,c of this and still trying to prove it wrong,without even knowing its basic principles....
if you are having curiosity of knowing AK truely from your heart,then we will definitely respect it,but if you are here just for making mock of the BK,AK or baba,then i think this is not the right way....
FIRST of all go through the course process for healthy discussion....this would be fair enough atleast!!!

[RudraPutra]

Child of God is PBK- Child of God will be saved- Child of God can be from any religion. This is what you say?
Does it not mean that a person should first become a PBK before being Saved?
This is exactly what I am questioning in my post!

...in Gita it is said
"...paritranaay sadhunaam,vinashay cha dushkrutam,dharmsansthapanarthay sambhavami yuge yuge"
(i come to protect sadhu's,destroy the evil doers,to establish sampoorna dharm)
...what do you mean by sadhu? does god saves and protects only sadhu's then what will happen to others? why it is said only sadhus? why not grihastis? or someone else? do you know sanskrit? you are just following hearsay....before being protected by GOD as per shlok,one has to become sadhu....and one can become sadhu only when he follows GOD and he understands GOD through PRAJAPITA BRAHMA and accept him as their Father...so automatically those sadhu's become PBK and they are saved....

[arjun]

Does it not mean that a person should first become a PBK before being Saved?

Yes.

God came to the world. As per instructions of AK of the Godly Baba, who will never die, who is full of Godly AK, God created big famine to kill non PBKs.
No food and no water. All are dying. God got a basket of chapatis and a jug of water. He checked each person if he has attended 7 day course of PBK. To them he gave chapatis and water. By miracle the basket and jug never became empty. He declared the non-PBKs as no child of God and made them die.
One Kerala girl with a small infant came to God and begged him for food. She spoke in Malyalam. As God knows only Hindi as per the Godly Baba, who will never die, who is full of Godly AK, God did not understand Malayalam. He could not find out if this girl is PBK or not. In his confusion he gave her chapati and she survived. One jasoos of the Godly Baba, who will never die, who is full of Godly AK, (jasoos name was the same as the person riding the Chariot driven by Lord Krishna), saw this horrible act of God in saving a non-PBK and went to Kampil Baba, the Godly Baba, who will never die, who is full of Godly AK, and reported the matter.
The Godly Baba, who will never die, who is full of Godly AK, got angry and came to God. He told God= Hey Tamoguna pradan Trimurti Siva, tum kya kar diya= the AK is violated. Kampil Baba, Godly Baba, who will never die, who is full of Godly AK, took out his machine gun and =dishoom, dishoom,dishoom,= all three (God, the Girl and the infant child) fall dead! Why? because God violated the AK and others are not PBKs.
Now there was no God. So the Godly Baba, who will never die, who is full of Godly AK, became the GOD

Please don't act childish and create such imaginary and baseless stories. You speak of Gita and still doubt God's justice. Every soul gets sorrows or happiness based on his/her actions. God acts as just a facilitator (as a Father, Teacher and Sadguru). He just shows the path to happiness. Whoever follows His Shrimat is benefited. God doesn't discriminate against anyone. Despite this explanation, if you wish to continue to create such imaginary stories to mislead people you are free to do so. I am sorry I don't have time to repeat answers. You are intelligent enough.

[satyaprakash]

satyaprakash wrote:Does it not mean that a person should first become a PBK before being Saved?
Yes.

Yes-This one word contains all the proof for my story. It is neither childish nor imaginary. If PBK is to be believed this story also can be believed.

Whoever follows His Shrimat is benefited

The question is which is Shrimat? Is it the Lekhraj Murlis or VD Baba VCD or some talk somewhere else?
Why should one believe it? Is it because you say so in your 7 day classes? You want to believe what is only a few years old but want to deny millennium old scriptures!

imaginary stories to mislead people

Which story is imaginary? Who is misleading whom?
What is the basis for you to claim that your story is real and some other story is imaginary. Is the base for your story the story itself? What is this logic?
You are objecting to a story where only a few killings are mentioned. But the BIG PBK story involved exploding nuclear bombs to selectively kill non PBK people by billions. So you and your Baba and your God are full of Love and Kindness!
Why should PBK label give anyone an immunity? Are all PBKs virtuous and Godly people? Are there no cheats and prostitutes among the PBK? Your VD Baba himself has many live case against him on very serious charges? Will he not get killed? What about Kamala Devi who ran away from this VD Baba? Is she a PBK? Will she also get saved or killed?

God doesn't discriminate against anyone

Earlier you said YES when asked if discrimination is done on the basis of PBK or not. Now you say NO. Are you now too confused to say yes or NO? Do you mean to say as long as they are labelled as PBKs?
Are you referring to PBK label or some qualities which the GOOD PBKs have? What is your objection if some non PBK person has all those good qualities? Why should he write PBK on his forehead?
Are there no good people among the non PBK? Tell me what type of people you want and I will show them in every community.
Please list out qualities for not getting killed. Don't say that you should be a PBK. Is it not silly and childish imagination of yours or your Baba?
If you can answer the above question in a straight manner do it. Else no use of singing the old PBK story.
Satya.

[arjun]

The question is which is Shrimat? Is it the Lekhraj Murlis or VD Baba VCD* or some talk somewhere else?
Why should one believe it? Is it because you say so in your 7 day classes? You want to believe what is only a few years old but want to deny millennium old scriptures!

Nobody is forcing you to believe it. You can just wait and watch. :cool:

Which story is imaginary? Who is misleading whom?
What is the basis for you to claim that your story is real and some other story is imaginary. Is the base for your story the story itself? What is this logic?
You are objecting to a story where only a few killings are mentioned. But the BIG PBK story involved exploding nuclear bombs to selectively kill non PBK people by billions. So you and your Baba and your God are full of Love and Kindness!
Why should PBK label give anyone an immunity? Are all PBKs virtuous and Godly people? Are there no cheats and prostitutes among the PBK? Your VD Baba himself has many live case against him on very serious charges? Will he not get killed? What about Kamala Devi who ran away from this VD Baba? Is she a PBK? Will she also get saved or killed?

If you hate the word PBK, you can replace it with the word 'Children of God'. Well, in a way, all the souls of the world are His children, but God says that all those souls who are body conscious and full of vices cannot be called His children. And only those souls which realize themselves as souls, recognize the Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Trimurti Shiva) in His practical human Chariot and follow His Shrimat (as contained in the Murlis or the True Gita) can be called His children. Well, it is upto you to accept this or not.

It is written in Satyanarayana Story (and many other mythological stories of Sanatan Dharma) that when God comes in an incognito and ordinary form ignorant people do not recognize Him, as He is and whatever He is.

It is not true that the evil ones among the BKs or PBKs do not get punished. ShivBaba says that while the ordinary souls (who haven't recognized the practical part of God Shiv) get one (ek guna) time fruits/punishments for their actions, the BKs get 100 times (sau guna), the PBKs get 1000 times (hazaar guna).

Earlier you said YES when asked if discrimination is done on the basis of PBK or not. Now you say NO. Are you now too confused to say yes or NO? Do you mean to say as long as they are labelled as PBKs?
Are you referring to PBK label or some qualities which the GOOD PBKs have? What is your objection if some non PBK person has all those good qualities? Why should he write PBK on his forehead?
Are there no good people among the non PBK? Tell me what type of people you want and I will show them in every community.
Please list out qualities for not getting killed. Don't say that you should be a PBK. Is it not silly and childish imagination of yours or your Baba?
If you can answer the above question in a straight manner do it. Else no use of singing the old PBK story.

I am not at all confused.
There may be good people in all the religions. ShivBaba has accepted in the Murlis itself that as far as inculcation of virtues is concerned there may be people who are more virtuous than many BKs or PBKs in the present birth. But you see only their present, but God sees the past, present and future (of many births). People may be virtuous, but still they are body conscious and may not be able to recognize God's practical part. What is the use of good virtues if someone is not able to recognize and give respect to his own parents (God in the present case)? However good someone may be, but as long as they are body conscious, they cannot see people of all the religions, castes, languages, states, countries equally. And however good someone may be they are still following many meaningless rituals and traditions of their own religion and in the process wasting their precious time, money and energy which could be used for the benefit of the world.

OGS,
Arjun

[satyaprakash]

Dear Arjun Bai always in Godly service,
Round and round, you come to the same PBK fanaticism that they alone are non body conscious etc!!

, but God says that all those souls who are body conscious and full of vices cannot be called His children. And only those souls which realize themselves as souls,

Suppose a non BK non PBK is satisfying your above requirement, do you accept him or her as equally good? Or you mean such people are full of vices only unless they become PBK?

, recognize the Supreme Father Supreme Soul (Trimurti Shiva) in His practical human Chariot and follow His Shrimat (as contained in the Murlis or the True Gita) can be called His children

If you are not a PBK you cannot recognise this VD Baba anything. He is nobody to them. So get killed? right? All this Shrimat story is a gas bomb for them!

It is written in Satyanarayana Story (and many other mythological stories of Sanatan Dharma) that when God comes in an incognito and ordinary form ignorant people do not recognize Him, as He is and whatever He is.

yes- God comes. But why should it be VD Baba. It can easily be a better person!

I am not at all confused.
There may be good people in all the religions. ShivBaba has accepted in the Murlis itself that as far as inculcation of virtues is concerned there may be people who are more virtuous than many BKs or PBKs in the present birth. But you see only their present, but God sees the past, present and future (of many births). People may be virtuous, but still they are body conscious and may not be able to recognize God's practical part. What is the use of good virtues if someone is not able to recognize and give respect to his own parents (God in the present case)? However good someone may be, but as long as they are body conscious, they cannot see people of all the religions, castes, languages, states, countries equally. And however good someone may be they are still following many meaningless rituals and traditions of their own religion and in the process wasting their precious time, money and energy which could be used for the benefit of the world.

After reading this, I do not know if you are confused or if you are trying to confuse others. A drunk man always says he is very clear.

OGS,

Which God and what service?

Satya.

[arjun]

Dear satyaprakash,
I am sorry I don't have time to answer your posts. You are free to think and write whatever you wish about BKs and PBKs.
I wish you all the best,
On Godly Service :D ,
Arjun

[satyaprakash]

I don't have time to answer your posts

There is no compulsion. If some one else answers, well and good. Why do you think you are the sole representative of PBKs on this forum? Of course some people with very poor knowledge try to keep writing 'answer' posts here.The do not help you. Till now you are the best with whatever answers you can manage within your limited PBK scope. do not you have anyone else with PBK?
But unfortunately I could not get any convincing answers from you for many of my pertinent questions. So may be someone else can answer or agree with me!
But personally I like You. :D
Bye and all the best in your GOS.
Satya.

[nivi]

First of all brother Satya, Shiv Baba starts with the very basic knowledge which is who we are originally, where we all came from and our destination. He also gives us his own introduction, and teaches us the key to lasting peace & happiness. If we just start with the very basic and focus, churn and practice the first lesson all questions will be answered right there. When we actually accept and practice soul consciousness there is no question of getting tangled in this bodily religion, gender, our bodily origin, and whatever our personal circumstance in life we may be in presently, which is based on our past karma. When we realize the greatest truth that we are simply souls( and actually live in that state of consciousness!) there will be true peace, oneness in humanity, and all of us will see each other with that same brotherly love. God comes to establish ONE religion, ONE party, ONE humanity, so there is oneness in everything. It is only through God's love that can bond humanity into ONE, since no one else has that power to see everyone with that same vision.


Nivi

[arjun]

Why do you think you are the sole representative of PBKs on this forum?

I never said so.

Bye and all the best

Thanks.